Current Events > Miami cops used civilian cars as shields in shootout

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gunplagirl posted...

How many innocent people did the robbers shoot?

They shot at the cops.

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DemonBuffet posted...

Everyone is jumping on the cops over this shit and not the piece of shit of robbers who started this whole fiasco.

Yeah how dare people hold cops to a higher standard than violent criminals

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MC_BatCommander posted...

Yeah how dare people hold cops to a higher standard than violent criminals

What did you guys want to happen? The cops to let the robbers get away with their hostage? To not return fire when getting shot at? To stand out in the open and get shot?

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gunplagirl posted...

How many innocent people did the robbers shoot?

So far 1 confirmed. An employee at the jewelry store that was hit by a ricocheting bullet.

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DemonBuffet posted...

What did you guys want to happen? The cops to let the robbers get away with their hostage? To not return fire when getting shot at? To stand out in the open and get shot?

I dunno, maybe handle the aftermath with some tact, not some self-congratulatory horseshit about "acing" the bad guy when they're blasting through a hostage to do it.

But hey, why expect the American police to be decent at what they do? We all know they consider the phrase "Protect and Serve" to be a marketing tactic, not a job description.

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gunplagirl posted...

How many innocent people did the robbers shoot?

We know of one. But they opened fire on a busy road so how many innocent people did they shoot at? Over a couple dozen +, not counting the cops.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

There was no possible "good" outcome here. Nice to know the armchair analysts on twitter have our backs.

this

robbers started firing first. probably lucky only 2 other people died.

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MrMallard posted...

I dunno, maybe handle the aftermath with some tact, not some self-congratulatory horseshit about "acing" the bad guy when they're blasting through a hostage to do it.

But hey, why expect the American police to be decent at what they do? We all know they consider the phrase "Protect and Serve" to be a marketing tactic, not a job description.

But that doesnt answer his question. What did you want them to do in the moment of the shootout?

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Shitty situation. Glad the robbers are dead, just sucks about the others killed and injured. Another example of how prison reform does not work. We really need to figure out a better solution to it.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

If you think they should have let the robbers go then fine, but realize that a vast majority of people would disagree with you.

Would you be ok with dying for the good of the cause so they could stop these jewel thieves?

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Never be taken hostage or the cops will murder you.

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Cops need to be held to a much higher standard than civilians. If they can't reach those standards, maybe they need to be retrained or get a different job.

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krazychao5 posted...

Another example of how prison reform does not work.

What reform exactly took place here?
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Antifar posted...

What reform exactly took place here?

What are you asking. Both robbers were in jail for prior armed robbery and were released.

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They are in a big ups truck and they have helicopters florida is just dumb ass place

If the criminals shoot at innocent people, then it's okay for the police to do the same

/s

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Reform works. The problem is that for profit prisons don't give a shit about reform. They just want numbers.

And the inability to get any real job("Your criminal record will totally not be a factor for whatever or not we hire you [Except it will]") doesn't really help people stay out of trouble.

Which is funny because we're supposedly a Christian nation and that religion seems pretty set on the subject of atonement and forgiveness.


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Shouldn't they have evacuated civilians from the scene instead of using their cars as shields while the civilians are still in them?

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iPhone_7 posted...

Shouldn't they have evacuated civilians from the scene instead of using their cars as shields while the civilians are still in them?

Its not easy to evacuate the scene when bullets are actively flying around. Get down and stay down is pretty standard until its safe to run.

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Hey, at least that jewelry store will get those jewels back that they have insurance on.

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CyricZ posted...

Hey, at least that jewelry store will get those jewels back that they have insurance on.

They shot first, unfortunately that bullet ricocheted and hit an employee. The two then got in a shootout with the store owner. Its not like this was some quite heist.

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CyricZ posted...

Hey, at least that jewelry store will get those jewels back that they have insurance on.

Yeah, none of this was worth bunch of stupid shiny rocks.

It would have been safer to let them go, find their residence and confront them there.

Cops really don't care who they endanger. Between the excuses of cops and their supporters, the average citizen is always in danger.


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krazychao5 posted...

What are you asking. Both robbers were in jail for prior armed robbery and were released.

Is that prison reform, or prisons as they currently exist?
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All of you think its so easy to take down criminals. You just sit back and criticize from your screens with no experience in the matter. The cops were in a life or death situation, even if they are trained to handle these, stuff can always go wrong. Athletes are trained to win, doctors to heal, and soldiers to fight, but clearly athletes make mistakes that make them lose, doctors make mistakes that can kill patients, and soldiers can make mistakes that get themselves and those they are protecting killed. Its not fair to criticize the cops as even they make mistakes, and this was hardly a mistake it was a reaction. They were not only in danger themselves, many hostages and people around them were in danger. It was best to take out the criminal as quickly as they could before more damage and lives could be taken.

Wrestling11 posted...

All of you think its so easy to take down criminals

Nope.

We just don't accept that as an excuse.

Also other professions that accidentally kill people tend to be remorseful over it. Not like "Yeah! Nobody on our team got killed! Whoooo!"


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Damn_Underscore posted...

There was no possible "good" outcome here. Nice to know the armchair analysts on twitter have our backs.

This.

It's always these non-contributing, hiding-behind-the-screen, Twitter fucks blurting out the best possible solutions with hindsight advantage. Oh wait, they don't even do that.

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iPhone_7 posted...

Shouldn't they have evacuated civilians from the scene instead of using their cars as shields while the civilians are still in them?

they were pulling people out of their cars

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Umbreon posted...

Nope.

We just don't accept that as an excuse.

Also other professions that accidentally kill people tend to be remorseful over it. Not like "Yeah! Nobody on our team got killed! Whoooo!"

Im sure they are remorseful for the death of the hostage, but they are also probably in relief that none of their own men died. It was a dangerous shootout in a terrible location. They were lucky all of them made it out alive.

And no body here is in a position to criticize unless they have had first hand experience with these kind of situations. Its not easy, and these kinds of situations will never go out as planned. Theres always going to be some kind of mistake that costs somebody something. The cops were trying their best to stop a criminal and serve justice. Remember theyre not the ones taking hostages and stealing stuff. Why are the people who are trying to protect us getting more flak than the criminals?

I don't know how people can sit there and say this is OK

If this were a video game, those cops would have to start the mission over

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There wasnt anything else they could do. That being said everything I have seen from the department in news reports has made them look awful.

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Wrestling11 posted...

And no body here is in a position to criticize

We have every right to criticize. If they don't like it, too fucking bad. Maybe if they stopped protecting all their bad apples, maybe some of us would be more sympathetic towards them.

"Their job is so rough and dangerous!" Yeah, I don't deny that. I just deny that being an excuse. They're not the only one living a difficult life.

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Umbreon posted...

We have every right to criticize. If they don't like it, too fucking bad. Maybe if they stopped protecting all their bad apples, maybe some of us would be more sympathetic towards them.

"Their job is so rough and dangerous!" Yeah, I don't deny that. I just deny that being an excuse. They're not the only one living a difficult life.

Protecting bad apples? theyre protecting our lives. Of course you can go and nitpick every mistake the police departments make, but you cant just ignore the good. The police have saved countless lives, just because they fail sometimes doesnt make them failures.

The job being rough and dangerous means that no matter what kinds of precautions are taken, theyre are going to be mistakes. Its not an excuse its a fact. If its dangerous people are going to get hurt. Theyre not the ones causing the danger, theyre trying to keep it to a minimal. Its impossible to keep crime contained with no damage done.

Also so your criticisms dont mean shit to anyone if you havent had any experience in the matter, or are trying to make things better in some way. It might make you feel empowered, but nobody else cares what you have to say.

Wrestling11 posted...

Protecting bad apples? theyre protecting our lives.

How many stories of black people being shot/killed without just cause shall I reference?


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Lol

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When bullets start flying you run to the nearest piece of convenient cover that will stop a bullet, any potential consequences can be worried about afterwards.

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the desperation with which unconditional support of the police has been driven into this country has created a culture where all losses are acceptable as long as the people who brought them about "tried their hardest", and victims are often blamed for procedural failures. even when they are punished it's rarely more than a loss of a job that will be swiftly picked up in the next town over

policing will never improve in this country, or at least not anytime in the forseeable future

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Umbreon posted...

How many stories of black people being shot/killed without just cause shall I reference?

Yeah there is mistakes, the system isnt perfect. I never said it was. There are tons of bad cops out there, but these arent an example of them. And the good really outweighs the bad. People just like to highlight and blow the mistakes out of proportion since they expect the good. But you cant just expect the good you have to expect mistakes as well.

ultimate reaver posted...

the desperation with which unconditional support of the police has been driven into this country has created a culture where all losses are acceptable as long as the people who brought them about "tried their hardest", and victims are often blamed for procedural failures. even when they are punished it's rarely more than a loss of a job that will be swiftly picked up in the next town over

policing will never improve in this country, or at least not anytime in the forseeable future

Not all losses are acceptable nobodys saying that at all. But this loss isnt as bad as people are making it out to be. And some loss can be acceptable because there is no way for anyone to perform 100% in every situation.

Shooting someone unarmed and lying on the ground with their hands up isn't a "mistake". It is a deliberate and malicious act.

When "cops" like that don't face punishment(real punishment not a slap on the wrist), there's no reason to go for bat for them.


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Conflict posted...

With how much police brutality and excessive force takes place nowadays, it's super disingenuous to write it all off as "simply mistakes"

Just like theres bad theres good too. You can find much more good than bad out there. I personally think the justice system can be improved upon, but complaining about it on gamefaqs of all places isnt getting anybody anywhere.

Umbreon posted...

Shooting someone unarmed and lying on the ground with their hands up isn't a "mistake". It is a deliberate and malicious act.

When "cops" like that don't face punishment(real punishment not a slap on the wrist), there's no reason to go for bat for them.

One cop doesnt represent the entire police force. And nobodys saying you have to like them but at least acknowledge that most of them are just here to protect people rather than hurt people.

DemonBuffet posted...

They shot at the cops.

damn, you're slow
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Wrestling11 posted...

One cop doesnt represent the entire police force.

No, but multiple bad cops being protected does.

Wrestling11 posted...

but at least acknowledge that most of them are just here to protect people

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/us/parkland-shooting-lawsuit-ruling-police.html?smid=tw-nytnational&smtyp=cur

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It's literally as easy as "call it off and track the truck until it's in a less populated space". They robbed a jewelry store, I don't think they want to actually kill random people. They're just trying to get away, and it's better to negotiate that situation somewhere there won't be collateral. Blame the criminals all you want, it's the police we pay to protect us and they shouldn't be held to that low standard.

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ThyCorndog posted...

Nah I could fuck up 99% of people

Ahahaha

I knew there was a good reason for me to continue reading ever post in this thread.

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This topic is exactly what we all knew it would become, lol

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*Cops use civilian cars as unwitting shields, kill hostage and another civilian*

"This is bad. You can't just start blasting in public to stop criminals"

"Yeah but they got the criminals though! Do you think armed robbery should be legal or something? There is no other possible way to pursue a criminal!"

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I'd warn y'all about posting acab but I guess mods only picked me out of the crop. Unless that bootlicker who marked me got banned

Always the leftists being silenced

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