Current Events > If gentrification was happening to White people like how it is with Blacks

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There'd be mass shootings every week. It really is crazy communities in Brooklyn, Philly, Chicago, LA, Raleigh Durham NC, etc etc. Are being priced out crazy. Apartment buildings being built and the rent for studios where rent is $3000 per week(no exaggeration. This is literally what the rent is in the buildings in my neighborhood)

I can emphasize with some White extremists who feel like they're being replaced and pushed aside in society. I know how it feels. And some of their complaints after valid, even though the way they go at combatting them are wrong. However everything that they are going through, Blacks, Latinos and other races after going through too and it's even worse. Our history in these cities are being wiped out as well. If anything we all need to go together and have a mutual understanding on things instead of just hating each other

Yeah I have acknowledged that this is a problem and the best solution would be to implement a privilege tax that would be used to allow women and minorities to be able to affordably live in areas that are being gentrified for example white males would pay an extra 25% for their rent, property tax or when they purchase property this would then be redistributed to minorities and women to help lower their cost of living. It would allow the current residents of color to stay in the area and the white people could still move in with out displacing people of color. It would be a great way to help others which is something our society seems to hate sharing wealth and helping others. People are just to selfish.

"Blacks, Mexicans and Asians are talking shit! We shouldn't be ashamed to be white when Slavery ended a hundred years ago! People blame white people when they're too lazy to make a life for themselves!"

*the narrative changes to "caucasian birth rates are falling while other races face rising birth rates"*

"They're breeding us out! They're gonna turn white people into a minority! This country belongs to us and they're trying to erase us from our country! Take up your arms and enact violence at this enemy before they put us in cages and harvest us for meat!"
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Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

I can emphasize with some White extremists who feel like they're being replaced and pushed aside in society. I know how it feels. And some of their complaints after valid, even though the way they go at combatting them are wrong.

well then
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MrMallard posted...

"Blacks, Mexicans and Asians are talking shit! We shouldn't be ashamed to be white when Slavery ended a hundred years ago! People blame white people when they're too lazy to make a life for themselves!"

*the narrative changes to "caucasian birth rates are falling while other races face rising birth rates"*

"They're breeding us out! They're gonna turn white people into a minority! This country belongs to us and they're trying to erase us from our country! Take up your arms and enact violence at this enemy before they put us in cages and harvest us for meat!"

Yeah it's complete hypocrisy. They had no sympathy or empathy for what non Whites were going through, but now I'm many of their communities they're now experiencing the exact same problems so they're acting pretty hysterical right now.

If anything though this should be an opportunity to build bridges and work to a solution but I feel many don't want that.

Oh no, a neighborhood is becoming a nicer place to live.
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gmanthebest posted...

Oh no, a neighborhood is becoming a nicer place to live.

The problem is that it kills the once nice suburbs. All the people forced out from the city start moving in and crime rates go up. It gets to the point where you cant even go to the damn park anymore because everything is vandalized/broken and gangs of teenagers made it their new turf. Ive seen it happen first hand and its a fucking mess.

Then people get all ass hurt because these suburbs now have 4 times the police presence. Every time someone gets arrested, their family goes on facebook calling for riots because their son got caught breaking into someones truck and the police fed him gravel because he pulled a knife.
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gmanthebest posted...

Oh no, a neighborhood is becoming a nicer place to live.

If the same thing starts happening in your neighborhood. I'm going to laugh. It's making it a better place to live why are you complaining?!

Every concession weve given to minorities in America to end mistreatment has been followed by intensive searching by interested parties to find new ways to keep them in their place. Its the great American way

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My neighborhood wasn't a bad place to live before the changes it was a beautiful place(and still is). I had no complaints. Replacing mom and pop grocery stores, essential local businesses and homes with high rise apartments that even wealthy people can't afford that go for 3000,4000 a month is not making the community a better place to live. Downtown Brooklyn is becoming like midtown Manhattan pt. 2. And I know that by far most people on this board couldn't afford to live in a studio for 3000+ per month either so no amount of "bootstrap" pulling can combat this problem. Whole communities of working class communities are being decimated. But nobody cares until it happens to them. Then people want to start shooting up schools and churches

Imagine if in your neighborhood every other block or street the buildings businesses and homes were replaced with skyscraper like towers whether the rent was 3000+ and the people from your town/neighborhood were no longer welcomed/no longer fit in. This is literally what White nationalists are complaining about but they don't care if it's happening to other people. Only themselves

SH_expert44 posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Oh no, a neighborhood is becoming a nicer place to live.

The problem is that it kills the once nice suburbs. All the people forced out from the city start moving in and crime rates go up. It gets to the point where you cant even go to the damn park anymore because everything is vandalized/broken and gangs of teenagers made it their new turf. Ive seen it happen first hand and its a fucking mess.

Then people get all ass hurt because these suburbs now have 4 times the police presence. Every time someone gets arrested, their family goes on facebook calling for riots because their son got caught breaking into someones truck and the police fed him gravel because he pulled a knife.

What you said was inflammatory and I don't agree with it but you have a point about relocation to suburbs. Where do you so think these people are going to go once they are pushed out from the cities they are from? They're going to go to suburbs where you're from and then you're all going to be mad that they're "invading" your neighborhoods

why are whites so afraid of becoming a minority anyway
are minorities treated unfairly or something?
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DeathDeathSong posted...

why are whites so afraid of becoming a minority anyway
are minorities treated unfairly or something?

The Irish were
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certain types of people have the habit of conflating gang culture with Black culture, so automatically associate predominant White neighborhoods as "good" areas as opposed to predominantly Black.

it's funny when we look at the timeline of prominent Black communities rising up, and the pattern of them being actively brought down, lol.

the Black Panthers used to threaten and beat up drug dealers while policing their own communities. they fed hungry kids, researched and did treatments for sickle cell anemia and more... but they were labeled terrorist and destroyed by the government, lol. so there's a clear message with the historical patterns.

Black neighborhoods stay fucked up on purpose.
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Good black person: Samuel L. Jackson
Bad black person: that dude the media said was a gangbanger for wearing a beanie

Am I close to the logic they're using?
/s
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DeathDeathSong posted...

why are whites so afraid of becoming a minority anyway
are minorities treated unfairly or something?

Don't people who say this dumb shit realize that if minority status were the cause of unfair treatment, white people would be justified in being afraid?

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shnangyboos posted...

DeathDeathSong posted...

why are whites so afraid of becoming a minority anyway
are minorities treated unfairly or something?

Don't people who say this dumb shit realize that if minority status were the cause of unfair treatment, white people would be justified in being afraid?

can you elaborate?

also, there's no need to generalize when the topic is specific, so no need to stray from what we already understand.
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The unfair treatment comes from racism, or other bigotry, not minority status. It also suggests that whoever is in power is going to treat whoever the minority is unfairly simply because they're not the majority. And if that's the case, white people should be concerned.

Now, you can make an argument about the ability of the majority to treat the minority unfairly because there's less of them, but people who post that aren't making that point.

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shnangyboos posted...

The unfair treatment comes from racism, or other bigotry, not minority status. It also suggests that whoever is in power is going to treat whoever the minority is unfairly simply because they're not the majority. And if that's the case, white people should be concerned.

Now, you can make an argument about the ability of the majority to treat the minority unfairly because there's less of them, but people who post that aren't making that point.

let's look at south africa, which is predominantly black, and how the minority white group is treated there

Fam_Fam posted...

let's look at south africa, which is predominantly black, and how the minority white group is treated there

Or we could just look at any racist. I doubt you'd ever hear one talk shit about how few the race they hate is. If anything, they'd probably say there's too many of them.

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ITT: poor white people don't exist.
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shnangyboos posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

let's look at south africa, which is predominantly black, and how the minority white group is treated there

Or we could just look at any racist. I doubt you'd ever hear one talk shit about how few the race they hate is. If anything, they'd probably say there's too many of them.

what's your point?

for those people, 1 is too many

some people dont like when the shoe is on the other foot.

CloudThunder posted...

some people dont like when the shoe is on the other foot.

especially quadriplegics

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Oh no, a neighborhood is becoming a nicer place to live.

If the same thing starts happening in your neighborhood. I'm going to laugh. It's making it a better place to live why are you complaining?!

I'd laugh if it happened to my neighborhood too. I actually own my house and would stand to make alot of money selling it after property values shot up
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shnangyboos posted...

The unfair treatment comes from racism, or other bigotry, not minority status. It also suggests that whoever is in power is going to treat whoever the minority is unfairly simply because they're not the majority. And if that's the case, white people should be concerned.

Now, you can make an argument about the ability of the majority to treat the minority unfairly because there's less of them, but people who post that aren't making that point.

makes sense. agreed
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Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Oh no, a neighborhood is becoming a nicer place to live.

If the same thing starts happening in your neighborhood. I'm going to laugh. It's making it a better place to live why are you complaining?!

I'd laugh if it happened to my neighborhood too. I actually own my house and would stand to make alot of money selling it after property values shot up

its almost as if the people who suffer are the ones who cant afford to buy property

Fam_Fam posted...

Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Oh no, a neighborhood is becoming a nicer place to live.

If the same thing starts happening in your neighborhood. I'm going to laugh. It's making it a better place to live why are you complaining?!

I'd laugh if it happened to my neighborhood too. I actually own my house and would stand to make alot of money selling it after property values shot up

its almost as if the people who suffer are the ones who cant afford to buy property

Well duh but what does that have to do with my response to tc laughing if it happens to my neighborhood?
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Racist thread is racist. Stop being racist. Its pretty easy.
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Spooking posted...

*white people enter* - GeNtrIficAtionn!!1
*white people leave* - WhItE flIGhT!11

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Gentrification happens to all poor people regardless of race. Yes its skewed against minorities but solidarity should be shown to poor whites too. And if there are any kind of reparations it should be based on economics not race/gender.
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I'm black and raise in Queens and TBH, I do not care about or empathize with this issue. Number one, people should have opted to or moved on to owning instead of renting and there was a time when even working class black and brown families could have done so easily.

In the case of single mothers and people on welfare, oh well. They're going to be transient anyway. My father moved us into a predominantly black suburb called Lakeview when we were young, owned the house and sold it years later at a profit when my twin and I were in college as we are the youngest.

We moved to another predominately black suburb and have been living her ever since, although it has a horrible reputation and the schools are warzones thanks to the rampant unchecked amount of kids from certain types of "families" who are all on the fast track to prison and death. We do live in the nice part though, but I'll be moving somewhere else soon with my fiancee.

Anyway, I like certain parts of Queens and Brooklyn much better now. I saw a policeman get killed right across the street while playing in my power wheels truck, chasing a dealer and the guy turns and shoots him 25 feet from me. I was 5 years old. Someone dumped a body rolled up in a carpet behind our house in an alley where our garbage cans were, we discovered it while cleaning up after our dog.

My fiancee and I could afford as much as 4.5k a month comfortably although we absolutely would not do that. We might split 2.2 to 3K somewhere.

But anyways, I don't really care except for maybe the attitude and hygiene of some of the gentrifying individuals.

Anyway, we should just go to Pennsylvania and gentrify all those poor white folks out of their homes. Start playing the game and winning it.
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When gentrification happens to white people, folks on the left call it "multiculturalism" and cry white supremacy/nationalism if anyone has an objection. The rhetoric is essentially the complete opposite when the races are reversed for some reason.
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I'm also from Queens and I just don't want NYC to become a fucking shithole like SF and other CA cities.

I'm from Flushing, which was heavily gang infested in the 80s/90s but it was gentrified in the late 90s and 00s to just be a better place for all minorities. Things were still very affordable and it was a pretty safe area to live.

In the past 5 years, shit has almost doubled there and in NYC and I'm someone that benefits since I own property here.

It's very fucked up. They're buying like two houses and making 20-30 floor towers and then charging obscene amounts for it.

@Fony

What's the other black neighborhood you moved to that you're referring to if you don't mind me asking.
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Fam_Fam posted...

shnangyboos posted...

The unfair treatment comes from racism, or other bigotry, not minority status. It also suggests that whoever is in power is going to treat whoever the minority is unfairly simply because they're not the majority. And if that's the case, white people should be concerned.

Now, you can make an argument about the ability of the majority to treat the minority unfairly because there's less of them, but people who post that aren't making that point.

let's look at south africa, which is predominantly black, and how the minority white group is treated there

You mean how most of them live in luxury while apartheid decimated most of the natives living there??

Yep
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s0nicfan posted...

ITT: poor white people don't exist.

When ever did I stated out imply that?

Fony posted...

I'm black and raise in Queens and TBH, I do not care about or empathize with this issue. Number one, people should have opted to or moved on to owning instead of renting and there was a time when even working class black and brown families could have done so easily.

Yes you're right and also a lot of people that did own homes opted into selling their homes/brownstones for low prices and now them and their families are paying the price. But my thing is, a lot of people's and children in the families had no choice and are suffering because of the selfish mistakes of others

Also some people are suffering from people taking and swindling them out of homes too though. In going through a property battle myself where my buildings management office is trying to take the apartment that my mother used to own (She passed away) from me and my family for profit. They're intentionally making it hard for me to get the deed in my name even though in the contract it clearly states in the event of death it should be passed down to an immediate family member. There's a lot of shady and sometimes illegal things that go on too that push people out

Tony_Biggie_Pun posted...

I can emphasize with some White extremists

I think you mean empathise

Thank you for correcting me

Its really bizarre how the worst part of my town (Downtown Jersey City) became the new in-spot. It pretty much kept all of the crime in two spots of Jersey City. My GF lives in a part of Brooklyn that used to be a shithole and still is a shithole but a much nicer dressed one.

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StealthRock posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

shnangyboos posted...

The unfair treatment comes from racism, or other bigotry, not minority status. It also suggests that whoever is in power is going to treat whoever the minority is unfairly simply because they're not the majority. And if that's the case, white people should be concerned.

Now, you can make an argument about the ability of the majority to treat the minority unfairly because there's less of them, but people who post that aren't making that point.

let's look at south africa, which is predominantly black, and how the minority white group is treated there

You mean how most of them live in luxury while apartheid decimated most of the natives living there??

Yep

The natives were decimated by another tribe shortly before the Dutch arrived. The Dutch were among the best farmers in the world and fed an enormous number of people, hence the population explosion in SA.
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PizzaPatty posted...

Yeah I have acknowledged that this is a problem and the best solution would be to implement a privilege tax that would be used to allow women and minorities to be able to affordably live in areas that are being gentrified for example white males would pay an extra 25% for their rent, property tax or when they purchase property this would then be redistributed to minorities and women to help lower their cost of living.

You would implement a tax based on skin color and sex?

Umm, are we still talking about the US or some other place?
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deanshow posted...

Its really bizarre how the worst part of my town (Downtown Jersey City) became the new in-spot. It pretty much kept all of the crime in two spots of Jersey City. My GF lives in a part of Brooklyn that used to be a shithole and still is a shithole but a much nicer dressed one.

It's because noone can afford NYC anymore. Even Brooklyn and Queens. Plus it's like 20 minutes away from midtown right over the bridge. Path train can get you to NYC in 10 minutes. It might get even worse as time goes by

The Admiral posted...

When gentrification happens to white people, folks on the left call it "multiculturalism" and cry white supremacy/nationalism if anyone has an objection. The rhetoric is essentially the complete opposite when the races are reversed for some reason.

There's seriously no such thing as a neighborhood that is both predominantly white and predominantly poor in urban areas. So I don't think the term gentrification applies. I'm not even sure what phenomonon you're talking about, actually

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I dunno why you'd assume all poor people are black, not why you'd assume not having $3k/mo to blow on a studio makes you poor but ok

I mean, either way it's awful I guess so there's that
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Would there really be more mass shootings? Aren't most mass shootings gang violence between ethnic minorities?

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DevsBro posted...

I dunno why you'd assume all poor people are black, not why you'd assume not having $3k/mo to blow on a studio makes you poor but ok

I mean, either way it's awful I guess so there's that

I can't speak for tc but concentrated white poverty is pretty much exclusive to rural areas. Poor white people in cities are more likely to live near affluent white people than affluent black people are to live near affluent white people. So gentrification is felt differently because of racial (not just economic) segregation

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Balrog0 posted...

There's seriously no such thing as a neighborhood that is both predominantly white and predominantly poor in urban areas. So I don't think the term gentrification applies. I'm not even sure what phenomonon you're talking about, actually

Hes just an old man yelling at a cloud.

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