Current Events > A transgender man who gives birth is a mother, U.K. court rules

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Medzzz
09/25/19 5:43:37 PM
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An individual who is born female but later becomes male and gives birth to a child should be legally regarded as a mother, England's High Court ruled on Wednesday.

Fred McConnell, a transgender man, wanted to be recognized as the father of his son, who was born last year, on the official registration of the child's birth but was told he would have to be registered as the mother.

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-man-who-gives-birth-mother-uk-court-rules-n1058556
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viewmaster_pi
09/25/19 5:45:07 PM
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biology is so inconvenient

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darkphoenix181
09/25/19 5:51:32 PM
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By what logic?
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The Admiral
09/25/19 5:52:15 PM
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Cover story from this month's issue of "No Shit" magazine.

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sevihaimerej
09/25/19 5:52:51 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
By what logic?
Mother is a word used to describe one who births and raises a child

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Medzzz
09/25/19 5:52:59 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
By what logic?

Logic of how he is the mother?
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thronedfire2
09/25/19 5:53:18 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
By what logic?


who else are they gonna list as the mother, the father?
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friendbuddypal
09/25/19 5:53:54 PM
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This is a borderline fascistic display of transphobia.

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garan
09/25/19 5:53:58 PM
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Fair, next. Fred provided the egg & the X chromosome, biologically speaking he is the mother.
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Monkhood
09/25/19 5:54:32 PM
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weird flex but ok
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ToPoPO
09/25/19 5:54:58 PM
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Should just abolish "mother" and have a gender neutral designation.
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Medzzz
09/25/19 5:55:05 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
By what logic?


who else are they gonna list as the mother, the father?

When men can reproduce with men. The future is now
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A_A_Battery
09/25/19 5:55:10 PM
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A female being a mother? Say it aint so.
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Medzzz
09/25/19 5:55:45 PM
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ToPoPO posted...
Should just abolish "mother" and have a gender neutral designation.

Need a mother and father
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KILBOTz
09/25/19 5:55:59 PM
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Its sad this even has to be a debate. Biological realities dont care about how you identify.
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Duncanwii
09/25/19 5:56:59 PM
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Im all for trans rights but I agree. You dont get to pick and choose to be whatever whenever. Either you are a woman and can give birth or you arent and cant. Pick your choice.
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Medzzz
09/25/19 5:57:27 PM
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KILBOTz posted...
Its sad this even has to be a debate. Biological realities dont care about how you identify.

Some may disagree
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TiamatNM
09/25/19 5:58:17 PM
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friendbuddypal posted...
This is a borderline fascistic display of transphobia.


lmao
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darkphoenix181
09/25/19 5:58:43 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
who else are they gonna list as the mother, the father?


Why not list 2 fathers?
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ToPoPO
09/25/19 5:58:52 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Im all for trans rights but I agree. You dont get to pick and choose to be whatever whenever. Either you are a woman and can give birth or you arent. Pick your choice.


"Im all for trans rights"

*proceeds to say shit that is bigoted and harmful to LGBT*
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Medzzz
09/25/19 6:00:08 PM
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Can a mother have a kid and would rather have a sister relationship and identify as sister?
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Duncanwii
09/25/19 6:00:49 PM
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ToPoPO posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Im all for trans rights but I agree. You dont get to pick and choose to be whatever whenever. Either you are a woman and can give birth or you arent. Pick your choice.


"Im all for trans rights"

*proceeds to say shit that is bigoted and harmful to LGBT*

If you choose to be a man thats fine. Dont have babies then. Men cannot have children so it is antithetical to the point of the transition to have them.
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WashYourHands
09/25/19 6:01:00 PM
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ToPoPO posted...
"Im all for trans rights"

*proceeds to say shit that is bigoted and harmful to LGBT*
The truth is nothing more than the truth

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Tryhaptaward
09/25/19 6:02:12 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
ToPoPO posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Im all for trans rights but I agree. You dont get to pick and choose to be whatever whenever. Either you are a woman and can give birth or you arent. Pick your choice.


"Im all for trans rights"

*proceeds to say shit that is bigoted and harmful to LGBT*

If you choose to be a man thats fine. Dont have babies then. Men cannot have children so it is antithetical to the point of the transition to have them.


*choose to be a man*

lol you're fucking awful
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Medzzz
09/25/19 6:03:26 PM
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Tryhaptaward posted...
Duncanwii posted...
ToPoPO posted...
Duncanwii posted...
Im all for trans rights but I agree. You dont get to pick and choose to be whatever whenever. Either you are a woman and can give birth or you arent. Pick your choice.


"Im all for trans rights"

*proceeds to say shit that is bigoted and harmful to LGBT*

If you choose to be a man thats fine. Dont have babies then. Men cannot have children so it is antithetical to the point of the transition to have them.


*choose to be a man*

lol you're fucking awful

It is not awful for a woman to choose to be a man
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Ilishe
09/25/19 6:05:22 PM
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ToPoPO posted...
Should just abolish "mother" and have a gender neutral designation.


No

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Funkydog
09/25/19 6:07:43 PM
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I could see having them classified as the mother for medical reasons, as stuff may happen that you need to know but outside of that I am not sure why it matters (and even in that context can still refer to them as Mr. Name)
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NeoBowser
09/25/19 6:08:02 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
If you choose to be a man thats fine. Dont have babies then. Men cannot have children so it is antithetical to the point of the transition to have them.


who are u to say?

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Duncanwii
09/25/19 6:09:31 PM
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NeoBowser posted...
Duncanwii posted...
If you choose to be a man thats fine. Dont have babies then. Men cannot have children so it is antithetical to the point of the transition to have them.


who are u to say?

I'd be very open to opening up think tanks to finding ways for trans woman to have children.

Im not transphobic. I just feel that if youre going to be something completely do the part.
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viewmaster_pi
09/25/19 6:10:42 PM
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this thread's gonna be nuked with moderations

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AlmightyCheeks
09/25/19 6:11:07 PM
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Wow its almost like this shit is taught to you in grade school. Also "they" is used to describe 2 or more people, not a single one with some magical made up gender

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Medzzz
09/25/19 6:11:42 PM
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viewmaster_pi posted...
this thread's gonna be nuked with moderations

Would be a shame. Good conversations going on
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Funkydog
09/25/19 6:12:15 PM
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AlmightyCheeks posted...
Wow its almost like this shit is taught to you in grade school. Also "they" is used to describe 2 or more people, not a single one with some magical made up gender

You realise singular they is a VERY old thing. I'm not sure why I'm asking as of course you know this, you just wanted to bitch.
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AwesomeToTheMAX
09/25/19 6:15:24 PM
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AlmightyCheeks posted...
Wow its almost like this shit is taught to you in grade school. Also "they" is used to describe 2 or more people, not a single one with some magical made up gender


"They" has been used to refer to individuals for centuries. Were you raised in a cave?
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friendbuddypal
09/25/19 6:17:49 PM
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Lot of people ITT need to watch contrapoints.

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A_A_Battery
09/25/19 6:18:00 PM
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inloveanddeath0
09/25/19 6:18:46 PM
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friendbuddypal posted...
This is a borderline fascistic display of transphobia.
Shut the fuck up

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DezDroppedFreak
09/25/19 6:23:40 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
I'd be very open to opening up think tanks to finding ways for trans woman to have children.

Im not transphobic. I just feel that if youre going to be something completely do the part.


good thing they dont and wont ask you what you think about the issue

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ROBANN_88
09/25/19 6:25:37 PM
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Schwarzenegger already made this movie
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Laserion
09/25/19 6:31:43 PM
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"Birthing parent". Done.
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sevihaimerej
09/25/19 6:32:24 PM
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Crono99 posted...
But what about children who are born in a lab? They have parents but no womb to grow. They're not gonna register the glass tube as the mother
My mother is a bathtub

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The Admiral
09/25/19 6:33:30 PM
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Crono99 posted...
But what about children who are born in a lab? They have parents but no womb to grow. They're not gonna register the glass tube as the mother


The "mother" is still whoever contributes the egg.

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Vicious_Dios
09/25/19 6:36:16 PM
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This planet, man.

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Cleo_II
09/25/19 6:38:53 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
Schwarzenegger already made this movie
Lolol Im glad Im not the only person who thought of that
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viewmaster_pi
09/25/19 6:55:50 PM
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Vicious_Dios posted...
This planet, man.
This planet, man? Ummmmmm excuse you????????

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nemu
09/25/19 7:01:06 PM
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I'm perfectly fine with accepting transitions, but we need to stick to the idea that vaginas and giving birth are female traits. Once you start trying to change that, you're sort of going into the territory of just abandoning gender and sex like some fringe people seem to want to do, which is, in a way, completely contrary to transgender people in the first place. He's perfectly fine to call himself the father to his child, but we many things should legally remain the same.
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ColdOne666
09/25/19 8:04:01 PM
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The UK did something right for a change.

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awesome999
09/25/19 8:06:05 PM
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That's one headline I didn't think I'd read today
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KillerKhan420
09/25/19 8:08:05 PM
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The craziness of this world. It's not a man giving birth it's IMPOSSIBLE to do that. Maybe in the future they could but not now.
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