Current Events > Amber Guyger trial live (police shooting of man in his own home)

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SwayM posted...

Hanky_Bannister posted...

SwayM posted...

Why is this the bone of contention in this case?

our "bone" is that she murdered someone

Dude calm the fuck down.

I'm well on your side. I'm just telling people to get over themselves and look beyond the fact that people make mistakes.

This is some bizarre trolling.
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Lonestar2000 posted...

SwayM posted...

Hanky_Bannister posted...

SwayM posted...

Why is this the bone of contention in this case?

our "bone" is that she murdered someone

Dude calm the fuck down.

I'm well on your side. I'm just telling people to get over themselves and look beyond the fact that people make mistakes.

This is some bizarre trolling.

yep. i just gave up after that shit.

some people on here need real help
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brandunh11 posted...

Calling 9-1-1 does not mean you're not in shock or flustered. People frantically call 9-1-1 all the time while still actively in a state of shock. Seriously, just go listen to some random 9-1-1 calls. You seem to think that people in shock follow a specific set of behaviors (such as not calling 9-1-1 and balling up in the fetal position) which is not the case at all. It's difficult to predict how any specific person would respond to such a stressful situation.

She was definitely more worried about herself though which is selfish. Not immediately administering CPR was bad judgement on her behalf, but calling it malice pretty much implies that she wanted Botham to die though which you're gonna have a hard time proving to anyone following the facts of the case. I don't even think the prosecution is taking that angle.

Again, I'm not taking this from the legal argument. I'm taking this from my perspective. I'm not saying the prosecutor should do this.

A psychological shock is a mental and physical problem. I used fetal position as just an example. She would have something debilitate her from acting. But that's not the case. You take issue by saying she called 911 but that's not my point. My point is that she her calling 911 shows her understanding the severity of what had happened. The texting her partner does not show to me she was suffering from shock. Yes people in shock can call 911. But her actions after that, well and before too, show me something different.

And I'm looking at malice as the basic definition of it being ill-will. But even then one of the legal definitions, from Merriam-Webster, is "wanton disregard for the rights of others or for the value of human life" which again....texting someone to alleviate your concerns over shooting an innocent person rather than helping that innocent person kinda falls under that umbrella.

Hell implied malice is even more accurate:
- malice inferred from the nature or consequences of a harmful act done without justification or excuse
- malice inferred from subjective awareness of duty or of the likely results of one's act

But again, I'm not saying this is what the prosecutor should do or anything like that. Just from what has been said in court and the definitions/my understanding of "malice" and "shock", I think she's guilty.

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unfortunately I couldnt watch much of the case yesterday. It was mostly forensics talk though. The prosecution rested its case yesterday and the defense started today. Amber Guyger is currently on the stand testifying...

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They're going through the incident now... This is so fucking maddening
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She says being alone in the room with the innocent man she just shot without anyone there to help her is the scariest thing you can imagine

During testimony

about a fucking case

Where a man has a random person walk into his apartment and shoot him dead

HER being alone after shooting him is the scariest thing you can imagine

Yeah, sure
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She sounds like a psychopath

CableZL posted...

She says being alone in the room with the innocent man she just shot without anyone there to help her is the scariest thing you can imagine

During testimony

about a fucking case

Where a man has a random person walk into his apartment and shoot him dead

HER being alone after shooting him is the scariest thing you can imagine

Yeah, sure

Yeah I eye rolled at that.

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CableZL posted...

She says being alone in the room with the innocent man she just shot without anyone there to help her is the scariest thing you can imagine

During testimony

about a fucking case

Where a man has a random person walk into his apartment and shoot him dead

HER being alone after shooting him is the scariest thing you can imagine

Yeah, sure

The prosecutors called her out on that thankfully.

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She is going to walk.

The power of a white woman's fake tears can do so much. And not I am not joking about that .. that is really thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability
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How does that happen? Not the mistake, but the response.

Like Im imagining walking into what I assume is my unlocked apartment and upon entering I somehow dont realize the furniture and everything is different and I also shoot the first person I see holding a bowl of ice cream no questions asked or announcing myself. And Im not a cop in this scenario. My mind is boggled.
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cjsdowg posted...

She is going to walk.

The power of a white woman's fake tears can do so much. And not I am not joking about that .. that is really thing.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

Yep. Look at that 20 year old blonde Ohio cheerleader who killed her kid.

And in this case:

- She's a cop.

- It's in Texas. Pretty much the gold standard for "Woo guns, blue lives matter."

- She's white and he was black.

I would be amazed if she wasn't acquitted.
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mybbqrules posted...

Yep. Look at that 20 year old blonde Ohio cheerleader who killed her kid.

And in this case:

- She's a cop.

- It's in Texas. Pretty much the gold standard for "Woo guns, blue lives matter."

- She's white and he was black.

I would be amazed if she wasn't acquitted.

you are 100% correct.

this is why i dont visit southern states
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After the first cross examination, I feel like the prosecution did a good job making her look incompetent. I wrote some notes on some of their main points, but Ill type them out later when i have more time

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that cop that tried to defend her is a piece of shit too

blue wall of corruption
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spudger posted...

that cop that tried to defend her is a piece of shit too

blue wall of corruption

Is he the one she was sleeping with/texting that night?

lolife67 posted...

spudger posted...

that cop that tried to defend her is a piece of shit too

blue wall of corruption

Is he the one she was sleeping with/texting that night?

no, not that one. i think she was just having a relationship with him and texted him that night. there was another cop who testified that what she did was justified given the circumstances, which a complete lie.

cops do this constantly. they can never admit another cop did anything wrong. they operate exactly like a gang.
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lolife67 posted...

Is he the one she was sleeping with/texting that night?

No. The cop she was sleeping with is Martin Rivera. The one who tried to defend her was Texas Ranger David Armstrong

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metallica846 posted...

They made sure the jury knew he was married too if I heard that right.

Is that relevant?

It is because it helps explain the dynamics of their relationship. Also, the defense are the ones who brought up that he was married anyway.

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She said she deleted text messages that she sent that night. The is tampering with evidence that is a crime.
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This honestly should have been open and shut
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Bio1590 posted...

This honestly should have been open and shut

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spudger posted...

there was another cop who testified that what she did was justified given the circumstances, which a complete lie.

I hope someone called him out on it. The circumstance was that she, in full uniform, illegally entered a man's home while he was eating ice cream. There was no justification for shooting him
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eston posted...

spudger posted...

there was another cop who testified that what she did was justified given the circumstances, which a complete lie.

I hope someone called him out on it. The circumstance was that she, in full uniform, illegally entered a man's home while he was eating ice cream. There was no justification for shooting him

cops always pull that crap. they have this sick compulsion to always protect their own-regardless of guilt.

its part of the reason there is so much mistrust of cops among the citizenry.
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eston posted...

spudger posted...

there was another cop who testified that what she did was justified given the circumstances, which a complete lie.

I hope someone called him out on it. The circumstance was that she, in full uniform, illegally entered a man's home while he was eating ice cream. There was no justification for shooting him

I believe the judge ordered that testimony blocked from the record because it's an opinion or something like that.
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They're spending a considerable amount of time bringing up witnesses that say they sometimes ended up on the wrong floor...

Not sure that's the major point of contention in the case...
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CableZL posted...

They're spending a considerable amount of time bringing up witnesses that say they sometimes ended up on the wrong floor...

Not sure that's the major point of contention in the case...

Did any of those people murder someone?
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eston posted...

CableZL posted...

They're spending a considerable amount of time bringing up witnesses that say they sometimes ended up on the wrong floor...

Not sure that's the major point of contention in the case...

Did any of those people murder someone?

No, and the prosecution made sure to point that out in their cross examination.
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Holy shit, the video of responding officers trying to revive him...

Holy shit, man
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CableZL posted...

Holy shit, the video of responding officers trying to revive him...

Holy shit, man

meanwhile amber guyger is outside texting her married sex buddy
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I'm seriously gonna have to stop checking in on this case til its over cause just thinking and reading about it is infuriating to me and pisses me the fuck off
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she will be fired with no jail time, hired somewhere else within a year.
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CableZL posted...

No, and the prosecution made sure to point that out in their cross examination.

Im a bit confused because from what I heard, that officers testimony was not in front of the jury? How does that work?

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Smashingpmkns posted...

So she was drinking and driving, barged into a man's house and shot him dead? She deserves life in prison.

The white girl defense means she'll get out of jail eventually.

Add the blue shield on top of that since she's a cop.

Some people doubt she'll ever see the inside of a cell.

Fucking dumb murderous bitch.
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Fony posted...

she will be fired with no jail time, hired somewhere else within a year.

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My friend was killed by a cop walking around his building with a gun drawn for no reason just going to the store to feed his baby. That cop get fired with no jail time and he was still in his probation period AND non white. This woman is going home free, probably a suspension or desk duty is possible.
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Fony posted...

My friend was killed by a cop walking around his building with a gun drawn for no reason just going to the store to feed his baby. That cop get fired with no jail time and he was still in his probation period AND non white. This woman is going home free, probably a suspension or desk duty is possible.

Was that the one with that Asian cop that killed the guy that just walked out of his apartment?

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Fucking fake ass bitch tears, I hope she rots in prison.
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Twin3Turbo posted...

Fony posted...

My friend was killed by a cop walking around his building with a gun drawn for no reason just going to the store to feed his baby. That cop get fired with no jail time and he was still in his probation period AND non white. This woman is going home free, probably a suspension or desk duty is possible.

Was that the one with that Asian cop that killed the guy that just walked out of his apartment?

Yes.
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Fony posted...

My friend was killed by a cop walking around his building with a gun drawn for no reason just going to the store to feed his baby. That cop get fired with no jail time and he was still in his probation period AND non white. This woman is going home free, probably a suspension or desk duty is possible.

I remember that, and all that damn people posting in support of that murdering asshole.

I know this will not help you but the judge in this case if a horrible person. He has track record of doing shit like this.
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Imagine if it was a black cop shooting a white woman

Luckily I was able to listen to the vast majority of today's proceedings. It did clear up a few things that I'll note in this post.

-Botham's apartment door was slightly ajar when Amber walked up on it making her think there was a burglar. The investigators found that his door was one of many in that complex that have difficulty closing all the way unless it's forcefully closed. So you can't reliably just walk in and expect the door to close behind you fully on its own.

-During the incident, exactly two bullets were fired. One of the bullets hit Botham and the other one hit the wall. Amber claimed that Botham was standing directly in front of her and charging her instead of slightly off to the right by the couch. The prosecution made sure to point out that, if he truly were standing in front of her, then why did the missed bullet end up about 45 degrees to the right in the wall? Either she's a terrible shot or he actually was standing closer by the couch/wall. Being wrong about such a crucial detail calls her entire testimony into question.

-It turns out Amber did apply a minor amount of CPR to Botham. After shooting him she claimed that she gave him some "light compressions" and then started doing a sternum rub on his chest. She was doing this while on the phone with 9-1-1. However she must have stopped at least twice because she was texting her partner during the 9-1-1 call. The prosecutor completely called her out on this. They claimed that no blood was found on her body or uniform so they argued that she never touched him. Also, it turns out, she had a fully unused first aid kit in her backpack which she was carrying throughout the entire incident. The kit included an object (can't remember what it's called) specifically designed to help compress traumatic bleeding. Instead of applying this, she was texting her partner and ultimately putting her needs above a dying man's.

-When asked why she didn't perform CPR, she claimed it was because she had never actually done it on a human before. Their training only used dummies. This is kind of scary because what good is training if the person doesn't feel prepared to actually use the training when needed.

-Her story is that Botham was coming at her aggressively shouting "Hey! Hey! Hey!" Prosecution pointed out that she never once told the 9-1-1 operator, or the responding officers that Botham was coming at her or that she thought he had a weapon. In fact, she kept just saying "I thought this was my apartment" over and over, about 20 times in fact on the 9-1-1 call and body camera footage. On the stand she admitted "I shot an innocent man" and "he didn't deserve that".

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-Based on her testimony (and that of neighbors) the yelling and shots all happened within seconds. She never took into account that maybe he couldn't hear her (this is very likely because he was wearing air pods at the time), or that the person was deaf, hard of hearing or not an English speaker before just shooting. Could have even been a maintenance man on legitimate duty.

-Her dumbest moment on the stand was when the defense asked her why she texted Martin Rivera (her partner) after the shooting. Her response was because she wanted him to come because he was somebody close to her whom she could trust. Then she said something to the effect of "Being there alone with [Botham] was the scariest feeling I could imagine". The prosecution flipped this on her and asked "Wouldn't an intruder busting in your door with a gun trained on you threatening to shoot be a scarier situation?" which she had to admit was true. He used that statement to show that she was once again putting her needs and feelings over that of a dying man's.

-Her second dumbest moment on the stand was when she admitted that the door was slightly ajar and she could hear movement inside the apartment. She felt the best thing to do was confront the intruder head on. The prosecution used this fact to argue that she had an opportunity while still outside to find concealment, call for backup (police arrived in 2 minutes by the way), and formulate a plan. In fact (and this is where it looks really dumb for her), the prosecution pointed out that the de-escalation training she took just 4 months before the incident teaches that you should take advantage of time and dont take assumptions as fact. When asked whether she remembered this, Ambers response was I dont remember that. The prosecution responded Were you paying attention during those classes to which Amber responded I dont remember. The prosecution then asked Did you change anything about the way you did police work after that training to which she responded No. The prosecution then asked Then what was the point of that training and she responded I dont know. --- This is all paraphrased based on my memory and notes I was writing but yeah, it explains a lot about the state of police training in this country.

-Another dumb moment for her on the stand was when the prosecution was drilling her about the various differences between the 3rd and 4th floor. Several huge differences such as a huge plant one of her neighbors had which Amber passed by literally every day, or some of the decorative floor mats. Amber claimed not to have ever really noticed any of it.yet shes a police officer, trained to be observant. Fact is she missed several cues that should have alerted her that she was on the wrong floor including the big red floor mat outside Bothams door, the door numbers on the 4th floor all start with 14 (versus the 3rd floor where they all start with 13), her neighbors big plant, the fact that the stairs she passed stopped on the 4th floor (instead of continuing to go up like youd see on the 3rd floor), the fact that his apartment smelled like weed (according to all officers who entered) and last but not least, the fact that a man was just chilling in the apartment

But yeah at the end of the day, the defense called Texas Ranger David Armstrong back to the stand where the judge allowed him to give testimony on the reasonableness of the shooting but did not allow him to give an opinion as to whether a crime had occurred. Id argue that by saying her actions were reasonable, hes inadvertently saying that no crime was committed. So yeah fuck this guy and his ridiculous stance. On the stand he sounds like a total robot just reading from the blue script. Unfortunately, I didnt get to see the prosecution cross examine him.

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