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OctilIery
08/20/19 5:02:45 PM
#51:


DifferentialEquation posted...
EvalAngell posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
I just watched Venom recently and was surprised by some of the the mixed reviews. It was way better than Infinity War and Endgame which were pretty much universally praised.


rofl


I'm not saying Infinty War and Endgame were bad movies. They were good movies. Venom is just a lot better.

LOL no
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YookaLaylee
08/20/19 5:03:24 PM
#52:


DifferentialEquation posted...
EvalAngell posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
I just watched Venom recently and was surprised by some of the the mixed reviews. It was way better than Infinity War and Endgame which were pretty much universally praised.


rofl


I'm not saying Infinty War and Endgame were bad movies. They were good movies. Venom is just a lot better.

Venom had no redeeming qualities
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Northlane
08/20/19 5:05:14 PM
#53:


I dont see a problem with Sony trying to get every single dollar out of Disney's pocket that they can

Spider-Man is far and away the best marvel hero
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Ivynn
08/20/19 5:06:18 PM
#54:


KlRBEH posted...
Sony can't possibly be this dumb


They really, really can be.
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sktgamer_13dude
08/20/19 5:06:55 PM
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EvalAngell
08/20/19 5:07:55 PM
#56:


Northlane posted...
Spider-Man is far and away the best marvel hero


15 years ago you might be right. But in terms of current pop culture, I think Cap has passed him.
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_BIueMonk
08/20/19 5:07:57 PM
#57:


lmao disney is just gonna buy sony pictures now
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monday nitro
08/20/19 5:08:51 PM
#58:


I am personally pleased with this. Spider-man was my favorite from when I was a kid. But I have been so bored of those marvel movies, I dont care about the other characters and didnt see the new spider man because i havnt watched the last few MCU movies because I just cant any more
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Banjo2553
08/20/19 5:08:51 PM
#59:


It's going to be really weird seeing future Spidey movies with Tom Holland and it NOT being part of the MCU...fuck, I really wanted to see where they'd take him next after Far From Home. It's gonna be weird to see any kind of reference to him being scrubbed from existence from now on (unless they're allowed to make cameo mentions).
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AlecSkorpio
08/20/19 5:08:59 PM
#60:


_BIueMonk posted...
lmao disney is just gonna buy sony pictures now


I don't think Disney is in a position to buy Sony Pictures after the Fox buyout
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_BIueMonk
08/20/19 5:10:56 PM
#61:


yeah i was just kidding.

they should just let sony do their own spiderman movie, watch it tank, then when sony comes crawling back they can be like from the studio and directors of avengers infinity war and endgame SPIDERMAN: RETURNING HOME
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OmegaPillow
08/20/19 5:12:43 PM
#62:


This is bad news, the sinister 6 storyline was brewing up, i dont know what theyre going to do
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TheCEmanCometh
08/20/19 5:12:49 PM
#63:


I thought if the Spiderman movie made a billion Marvel got the rights. Did that bet/deal go away?
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AlecSkorpio
08/20/19 5:12:51 PM
#64:


_BIueMonk posted...
yeah i was just kidding.


Sorry, I've seen people on other forums sounding serious about ideas of a Sony Pictures buy out already.
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Darmik
08/20/19 5:13:49 PM
#65:


DarthAragorn posted...
curious to know whether they could revoke the sony exclusivity on the video games now

that would be glorious


Only way they could do that is if Insomniac wasn't developing the sequel and Sony didn't have publisher rights to it.
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AlecSkorpio
08/20/19 5:14:05 PM
#66:


TheCEmanCometh posted...
I thought if the Spiderman movie made a billion Marvel got the rights. Did that bet/deal go away?


I thought this was just Midnight Edge bullshit.
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SmidgeIsntBack
08/20/19 5:15:53 PM
#67:


Literally the best and most money making Spider-Man films, with the biggest cliffhanger to go out on, but Sony gonna Sony.

Watch them cut JJJ too.

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burns112233
08/20/19 5:16:03 PM
#68:


OmegaPillow posted...
This is bad news, the sinister 6 storyline was brewing up, i dont know what theyre going to do


It was also brewing up during Garfield's take and here we are again.
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au_gold
08/20/19 5:16:39 PM
#69:


Fuck Sony.
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OmegaPillow
08/20/19 5:16:54 PM
#70:


DifferentialEquation posted...
I just watched Venom recently and was surprised by some of the the mixed reviews. It was way better than Infinity War and Endgame which were pretty much universally praised.

Lmfao!
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OmegaPillow
08/20/19 5:17:38 PM
#71:


burns112233 posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
This is bad news, the sinister 6 storyline was brewing up, i dont know what theyre going to do


It was also brewing up during Garfield's take and here we are again.

Crazy situation smh. I wouldn't mind venom and spidey in same movie though
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Holy_Cloud105
08/20/19 5:18:21 PM
#72:


I hope Tom Holland can quit. Being in 2 non-MCU Spidey movies is gonna suck. We all know Sony can't make good comic book movies. This news sucks too. What a cliffhanger to end it on.
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AlecSkorpio
08/20/19 5:18:52 PM
#73:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
I hope Tom Holland can quit. Being in 2 non-MCU Spidey movies is gonna suck. We all know Sony can't make good comic book movies. This news sucks too. What a cliffhanger to end it on.


From what I've read, Hollands contract is with Sony not Disney so he can't quit unless they want to let him out.
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Banjo2553
08/20/19 5:20:39 PM
#74:


Holy_Cloud105 posted...
We all know Sony can't make good comic book movies.

Excuse me, Into the Spiderverse was excellent.
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Zikten
08/20/19 5:20:40 PM
#75:


so wait.....are the 2 movies planned, not part of the MCU? they will make 2 brand new canon movies with the same actor but it's a different universe and has nothing to do with the MCU or Homecoming or Far From Home?
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Banjo2553
08/20/19 5:21:30 PM
#76:


Zikten posted...
so wait.....are the 2 movies planned, not part of the MCU? they will make 2 brand new canon movies with the same actor but it's a different universe and has nothing to do with the MCU or Homecoming or Far From Home?

Yep. It's gonna be really weird seeing Tom Holland as Spider-Man and not being part of the MCU.

Also likely means that the movies are gonna be entirely different in tone and I'm gonna hate that.
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Zikten
08/20/19 5:23:45 PM
#77:


I wonder if they will just pretend like similar stuff happened before the new movie starts, so they can still use the Far From Home cliffhanger in the new story
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Banjo2553
08/20/19 5:24:15 PM
#78:


Zikten posted...
I wonder if they will just pretend like similar stuff happened before the new movie starts, so they can still use the Far From Home cliffhanger in the new story

I'd only hope. That way I can pretend it's a continuation of the story.
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Ivynn
08/20/19 5:26:00 PM
#79:


burns112233 posted...
OmegaPillow posted...
This is bad news, the sinister 6 storyline was brewing up, i dont know what theyre going to do


It was also brewing up during Garfield's take and here we are again.


Sinister Six is Spidey's Phoenix confirmed.
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burns112233
08/20/19 5:33:25 PM
#80:


Zikten posted...
so wait.....are the 2 movies planned, not part of the MCU? they will make 2 brand new canon movies with the same actor but it's a different universe and has nothing to do with the MCU or Homecoming or Far From Home?


I think they can still mention Iron Man and such, but they won't be able to show Robert Disney's face. Happy Hogan will mysteriously be gone. They can also probably just mention his name, but that's about it. For the MCU Spider-Man will be too busy fighting bad guys in New York to be able to help fight off an alien invader.
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YookaLaylee
08/20/19 5:33:50 PM
#81:


EvalAngell posted...
Northlane posted...
Spider-Man is far and away the best marvel hero


15 years ago you might be right. But in terms of current pop culture, I think Cap has passed him.

He said best, not most popular. And Spidey is still more popular than every other Marvel character
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Were_Wyrm
08/20/19 5:34:22 PM
#82:


Marvel does own the TV rights for Spider-Man, they could still do a Disney+ show. Whether or not they could use the same cast and reference the events of Homecoming and Far From Home may be a little murky.
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glitteringfairy
08/20/19 5:34:44 PM
#83:


How the fuck is it, that arguably the most famous marvel character in the world is not owned by Marvel.
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AlecSkorpio
08/20/19 5:37:39 PM
#84:


glitteringfairy posted...
How the fuck is it, that arguably the most famous marvel character in the world is not owned by Marvel.


Marvel was going bankrupt in the 90s

Spider-Man and X-Men were their biggest properties and had hugely successful cartoon series so they were the most sought after licenses.

They needed money to stay afloat, so they had to sell the rights to the films to Sony and Fox.
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Holy_Cloud105
08/20/19 5:37:54 PM
#85:


Banjo2553 posted...
Holy_Cloud105 posted...
We all know Sony can't make good comic book movies.

Excuse me, Into the Spiderverse was excellent.


Forgot about Spiderverse. They can't make good live action ones.
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SuperMariano3
08/20/19 5:38:48 PM
#86:


Venom made $1 billion. And so did Far From Home. Sony not gonna give up a cash cow easily. Fair, Next.
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Northlane
08/20/19 5:39:22 PM
#87:


People should be mad at Disney imo

Would you give up 50% of the movie profits when Disney already owns 100% of the merchandising rights

When the raimi trilogy was hot, it was still a question whether if sony was gonna be able to pump out a movie every 3 years to keep the rights

But with Tom Holland, the rest of the actors, Amy Pascal and co. in place for 2 more movies, the Venom sequel, Kraven the Hunter, and the Into the Spider-verse sequels... there are plenty of movies to be made

Sony has plenty of reasons to be confident about the license going forward, they're hardballing for good reason

A Sony spiderverse would do gangbusters
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DarthAragorn
08/20/19 5:39:30 PM
#88:


Venom was straight trash and Far from Home only made that much because it was in the MCU
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nativengine
08/20/19 5:45:32 PM
#89:


AlecSkorpio posted...
I don't think Disney is in a position to buy Sony Pictures after the Fox buyout
Disney movies are legit making billions. 5 of the top ten grossing movies this year are from Disney. Only one is from Sony and its FFH(May as well be a Disney movie). They dont need to buy Sony Pictures, just Spiderman and they will, no doubt in my mind.

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El Mexicano Texano
08/20/19 5:46:42 PM
#90:


How can people call Sony dumb when they will get all the revenue from future movies. This is great for them.

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Darmik
08/20/19 5:48:53 PM
#91:


Sony isn't thinking 'thank God we signed with the MCU' when Far From Home made a billion dollars. They're thinking why do they need to share with Disney?

They're thinking Venom was a massive success without them. They're thinking they can just make a cinematic universe with the stuff they have instead.

This was pretty inevitable after Venom was a hit. The only surprise is that it's this soon. I thought we were at least going to get the third MCU Spidey movie.
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OctilIery
08/20/19 5:49:21 PM
#92:


El Mexicano Texano posted...
How can people call Sony dumb when they will get all the revenue from future movies. This is great for them.

What revenue?
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Makeveli_lives
08/20/19 5:50:32 PM
#93:


OctilIery posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
How can people call Sony dumb when they will get all the revenue from future movies. This is great for them.

What revenue?

What revenue? Far from home brought in over a billion dollars at the box office bruh.
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Darmik
08/20/19 5:50:38 PM
#94:


nativengine posted...
AlecSkorpio posted...
I don't think Disney is in a position to buy Sony Pictures after the Fox buyout
Disney movies are legit making billions. 5 of the top ten grossing movies this year are from Disney. Only one is from Sony and its FFH(May as well be a Disney movie). They dont need to buy Sony Pictures, just Spiderman and they will, no doubt in my mind.


Sony isn't going to sell because Disney isn't going to shell out billions for the movie rights to one property.

Spider-Man is the biggest safe bet Sony has. They're not letting that go.
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Holy_Cloud105
08/20/19 5:50:45 PM
#95:


Darmik posted...
Sony isn't thinking 'thank God we signed with the MCU' when Far From Home made a billion dollars. They're thinking why do they need to share with Disney?

They're thinking Venom was a massive success without them. They're thinking they can just make a cinematic universe with the stuff they have instead.

This was pretty inevitable after Venom was a hit. The only surprise is that it's this soon. I thought we were at least going to get the third MCU Spidey movie.

Well, we'll see how Venom 2 does. I don't think it'll do nearly as well since the first one was crap.
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OctilIery
08/20/19 5:51:48 PM
#96:


Makeveli_lives posted...
OctilIery posted...
El Mexicano Texano posted...
How can people call Sony dumb when they will get all the revenue from future movies. This is great for them.

What revenue?

What revenue? Far from home brought in over a billion dollars at the box office bruh.

And the Sony sequel won't. Because they had nothing to do with it being successful.
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Darmik
08/20/19 5:52:12 PM
#97:


There were plenty of shit Wolverine movies and they made money. Venom is a popular character.
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Makeveli_lives
08/20/19 5:52:55 PM
#98:


glitteringfairy posted...
How the fuck is it, that arguably the most famous marvel character in the world is not owned by Marvel.

Spiderman does belong to marvel, Sony just has the rights to movies. A condition of their contract however is that they must make a new movie every X amount of years to retain it. Hence why they keep rebooting it.
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Medussa
08/20/19 5:53:43 PM
#99:


If I were sony, I'd figure out how many movies I'd be prepared to make over the next 15 years, what their average return is expected to be, total it up and offer the rights back to Disney for ten times that much. (and prepare to accept half that number in negotiations.)

The ROI is insane, and all upfront. that's nowhere near what they're actually going to make, and it's still a number Disney is capable of accepting.
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DeadBankerDream
08/20/19 5:53:44 PM
#100:


Darmik posted...
There were plenty of shit Wolverine movies


Like X1, X2 and X3

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