Current Events > Would assassinating Hitler during WW2 have stopped the Nazis?

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What would have happened?
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Before, or after he invaded Russia?
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He was the guy at the top but there were a bunch of (really smart) people in charge of a bunch of things. The machine would have kept rolling after a big setback.

specialkid8 posted...

He was the guy at the top but there were a bunch of (really smart) people in charge of a bunch of things. The machine would have kept rolling after a big setback.

Arguably his death could've strengthed Germany depending on who ended up in control and how smooth the transition was

Hitler did quite a few things of questionable efficacy/sanity in regards to military strategy.

Like invading Russia.
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Yes because top Nazis tried to assassinate him

I don't think much would have changed. There were plenty others in positions of power that shared his doctrine with regards to things like exterminating Jewish people and other minorities.

As someone else mentioned, his actual military planning was somewhat outdated and damaged their war effort - someone else in charge might have been far worse!

assassinating gavrilo princip would have stopped the nazis
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I'm not sure it would have mattered much. The people right below him like Himmler, Goring, and Goebbels were all monsters, too.
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No, Germany would have elected a more intelligent, more dangerous, possibly less charismatic leader and won WWII.
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Before invading russia no, after invading russia yes
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

No, Germany would have elected a more intelligent, more dangerous, possibly less charismatic leader and won WWII.

This. In worst case scenario, it would probably be like Wolfenstein: The New Order, just with less sci-fi stuff.
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It depends at what stage of the War they were at.

In 1944? Maybe.
In 1939? No, not likely.

StickFigures720 posted...

Orlando_Jordan posted...

No, Germany would have elected a more intelligent, more dangerous, possibly less charismatic leader and won WWII.

This. In worst case scenario, it would probably be like Wolfenstein: The New Order, just with less sci-fi stuff.

Anyone with a basic grasp of history knows theres no way the nazis could have won. Germany threw out their best scientists so the allies would have always gotten the nuke first.
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Orlando_Jordan posted...

No, Germany would have elected a more intelligent, more dangerous, possibly less charismatic leader and won WWII.

You seriously think that a consequence of Hitler's assassination would have been democratic elections, instead of a bloody purge and savage party infighting over the succession? That the right man to lead the country will always somehow float to the top, instead of the winner simply being skilled at hacking his way through the jungle of Nazi politics?

The candidates lined up to fill Hitler's shoes were unlikely to be any improvement. Christ, look at the disastrous performance of Himmler (probably the man best positioned to replace Hitler) when he was finally given military responsibility -- command of Army Group Oberrhein during Operation Nordwind.
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Goering was next In line but idk about his military strategistism
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mustachedmystic posted...

Before, or after he invaded Russia?

This. Definitely need to know when during WW2 to answer correctly.

Nah, the Nazis were pretty hell-bent on the war, and the general staff was too until they started losing. I would say that removing Hitler may have prolonged the war, but they could have easily ended up with Himmler or Goering in charge, and they would probably have been even more blood-thirsty and dumb.
But really, the general staff wasn't much better than those ghouls anyway. Their biggest beef weren't any of the atrocities, but that they were losing and Hitler was a micro-managing idiot.

Depending on what time during the war, it would actually empower the Nazis.

Hitler was a drug fueled maniac and incompetent in command. He frequently ignored the intelligent advice of his generals and experienced men, before making terrible decisions.

Half-way or late into the war? Killing Hitler would not only make him a matyr but it would put intelligent capable people in charge.

Don't misquote me, the Nazis still would have lost. they were fucked. But Hitler was not the reason for their military success
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It would have made him a martyr and possibly made more people side with his faction.
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Offworlder1 posted...

It would have made him a martyr and possibly made more people side with his faction.

Killing Hitler wouldn't have made anyone side with the Nazis.

They either were already on his side, neautral to the war or against him.

Not like Canada was going to go "Fuck you KILLED Hitler? Damn we better switch sides and become Nazis."

Nor was Ireland going to go "Well we enjoyed making money but after you killed Hitler we better bomb London"

Nor were Germans going to go "Well I wasn't sold on the whole Nazi thing but now Hitler is dead, I fully support it."

WW2 was a snowball.
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@UnfairRepresent

Anything can be spun to make someone assassinated look good, and it again depends on if this is before or after Russia was invaded.
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They mightve gotten a sober leader who wouldnt have invaded Russia or declare war on the US for shits and giggles. The atrocities of the holocaust would likely still have happened though. The mastermind there was Heydrich.
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Someone else would have likely become the leader of the party.
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Things were already set in motion after Versailles, there were many like Hitler who didn't accept the defeat and wanted to get back territories lost. Germany was on a set course after what happened in world war 1.
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TalesofMedz posted...

Yes because top Nazis tried to assassinate him

German military and resistance members, not Nazis. They were trying to take control of Germany from the Nazis and end the war.
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Kastrada posted...

TalesofMedz posted...

Yes because top Nazis tried to assassinate him

German military and resistance members, not Nazis. They were trying to take control of Germany from the Nazis and end the war.

Only because the war wasn't going their way. A few years earlier they were prominent Nazis.

There is no way to know.

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inloveanddeath0 posted...

Goering was next In line but idk about his military strategistism

I doubt he was next in line. And he knew how to fly, he was part of Jasta 11 in WWI (as in the elite flying unit known for the Red Baron) but that was about it. His entire career by WWII was basically an attempt to shit for himself as possible. And to make national parks. Yes really.

But as to Goering being next in line, very unlikely. The Valkyrie plot called off at least one good attempt on Hitler's life because they couldn't get Himmler. It was pretty likely that as head of the SS, he'd have seized power successfully if Hitler died, and in fact, was fired by Hitler for suggesting that he be given the reigns of the dying Third Reich. Anything but Himmler taking over Nazi Germany would have sparked a civil war on top of everything else. Granted, if Himmler couldn't win the support of the military, one would spark off anyway.
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I'll bet the librulz would just want to talk it out with Hitler in 2019.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

There is no way to know.

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So, smart!

Of course we can't know for certain. Even if we could, CE wouldn't be the place to figure it out. It's just a topic, chief.
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