Board 8 > English Literature Mafia Topic 13: A Dramatic Turn of Events

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Tom Bombadil posted...

Scum can't be lazy?

They can. Obelisk is embracing the laziness and making fun of it. Mzero is acting like it's not a thing and that he handed us scum Sbell on a silver platter. Which one of those sounds fake to you?
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Well thanks Ben that's so nice.
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Gotcha

As for Pez...hm. I think I'm good for now, actually. I think ScumPez distances himself from me somewhat instead of posting an iso of me and reading other people based on it. 55% town.
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Anytime. Anytime

Now what's your stance on both Tom and Pez?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Gotcha

As for Pez...hm. I think I'm good for now, actually. I think ScumPez distances himself from me somewhat instead of posting an iso of me and reading other people based on it. 55% town.

55% is way too weak!
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Like, it's enough to tell me why you won't vote for him but not enough to make pressuring him pointless is it
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And if that behavior causes 55% town then what behavior is making up your 45% scum?
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Catching up now. Why didn't anyone tell me Lolo claimed BG for no reason, aka scum 101?

Lea3Lea posted...

Catching up now. Why didn't anyone tell me Lolo claimed BG for no reason, aka scum 101?

Lolo has the Chris town gareuntee, claimed a 3rd Harry Potter role when it would be a very bad/dangerous scum move, and wasn't even on the lynch docket when he did it. I question his life choices but he's town
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benjamin3740 posted...

And if that behavior causes 55% town then what behavior is making up your 45% scum?

D1 reads
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Tom Bombadil posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

And if that behavior causes 55% town then what behavior is making up your 45% scum?

D1 reads

Oh. You're one of those people whose reads linger and progress by percentile instead of changing naturally? Oh wait no those people dont exist. That's scum.

I dont get it. I wanted to vote Corrik day 1 because of his attack on Puns, which I perceived to be him lying to get what he wants and since I liked Puns I thought what he wanted was a town lynch. Day 2 and 3 he stepped up and made moves I think are very town motivated, leading me to read him as town. That town read destroys the dislike for him day 1 because if someone is town they cant be scum. So if I think he's town then he aint scum!

What's up with this 55% crud? Sounds like you're trying super hard to explain a slow gradual change of opinion on Pez. Real reads are more instantaneous than that.
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If you think Tom and Pez are both scum why not vote Tom? You know, the one who has actually gotten some arguments to lynch and such?
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If you want to talk town vs scum game actions, Lolo sidling in and claiming protection makes him look "good" like town power there, but does nothing whatsoever to help town catch scum. Additionally, I question why a back up weak protection would target 5tar N2.

Lea3Lea posted...

If you want to talk town vs scum game actions, Lolo sidling in and claiming protection makes him look "good" like town power there, but does nothing whatsoever to help town catch scum. Additionally, I question why a back up weak protection would target 5tar N2.

YES.

Vote Lolo people. That was not a town claim at all.
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Lopen.

Who is Lolo protecting by getting involved?
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Himself. His claim has more weight now than when it would when forced into a fakeclaim, particularly when he has an excuse for it to be topically revealed cause "look more Harry Potter characters"

Protecting himself is literally the only point of the claim at this point. That's why it's suspicious. Well that and I don't really buy the ability uses.
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Lea3Lea posted...

If you want to talk town vs scum game actions, Lolo sidling in and claiming protection makes him look "good" like town power there, but does nothing whatsoever to help town catch scum. Additionally, I question why a back up weak protection would target 5tar N2.

It doesnt make him look good.

Scum very rarely think to do the opposite of the safest play
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Lopen posted...

If you think Tom and Pez are both scum why not vote Tom? You know, the one who has actually gotten some arguments to lynch and such?

Because Pez has been calling Tom town all game. To the point of using him in that ISO. He is trying to play the roommate powers card on Tom. The one reality that is impossible is Pez town/Tom scum. Unless you think Pez is that bad at his one job
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Lopen posted...

Himself. His claim has more weight now than when it would when forced into a fakeclaim, particularly when he has an excuse for it to be topically revealed cause "look more Harry Potter characters"

Protecting himself is literally the only point of the claim at this point. That's why it's suspicious. Well that and I don't really buy the ability uses.

Thats quite a gamble
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Is it, though? If you see the writing on the wall that you're going to have to claim soon, and you've done nothing to gain the favor of town thus far, it makes more sense to get it out of the way now.

Like what was he gambling, really? He's seen how spineless this town is with claimed power. He should be feeling good about his chances.
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Lopen posted...

Himself. His claim has more weight now than when it would when forced into a fakeclaim, particularly when he has an excuse for it to be topically revealed cause "look more Harry Potter characters"

Protecting himself is literally the only point of the claim at this point. That's why it's suspicious. Well that and I don't really buy the ability uses.

Chris in dead town chat: "You were supposed to bring balance to town...not leave it in darkness!"
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Do you think scum makes the same mistake twice in one game? You literally called Red's claim fake immediately and were proven right.

I'd argue Red made the correct play regardless of whether I called it correctly. This is not a town full of 14 Lopens and I don't have enough force of will/drive to convince everyone it's nonsense.
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Ulti ... join me. And together we can rule the galaxy.
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I mean I don't see how you could possibly think it was not a safe claim, that it would somehow draw suspicion. The proof is in the pudding. Dude has received 3 votes after he's had an entire game of lurking for it-- if it was the type of claim that draws suspicion out of the box I guarantee you he'd get more than that.

Bodyguard is one of the safer power roles to claim too because it gives no information and is just uncommon enough that getting countered is unlikely.
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Between hb and Lolo I'd be more comfortable scanning lolo and lynching hb. That way we at least get to scan Lolo before we lynch potential power. His claim does make sense as a bodyguard role. I'm pretty busy this morning and trying to catch up.

5tarscream posted...

Between hb and Lolo I'd be more comfortable scanning lolo and lynching hb. That way we at least get to scan Lolo before we lynch potential power. His claim does make sense as a bodyguard role. I'm pretty busy this morning and trying to catch up.

this would be an exceptionally bad idea.
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##unvote:
##vote: Lopen
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I agree. The suspicion on Lolo is not the excess of Harry Potter references. Lynching Hb doesn't resolve my suspicions of Lolo whatsoever no matter what he flips.
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Ah Corrik pulling one of his swerve votes again. How quaint.
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20 minutes left?

Who has been least active today and let the town clusterfuck occur?

24 hours 20 minutes left
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Lea seems much less active than usual.

Lolo wasnt even on the table until he claimed. Bodygaurd is a safe role to claim for scum and all, but why didnt Lolo claim any other flavor? Why not even his scum flavor to be immune from a flavor scan?
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Ohhh. Phew. Carry on.

benjamin3740 posted...

Oh wait no those people dont exist. That's scum.

oh ok I'll let me know next time I see me that I don't exist

benjamin3740 posted...

That town read destroys the dislike for him day 1 because if someone is town they cant be scum. So if I think he's town then he aint scum!

so you no longer care what he did d1 even though it was scummy? you're that confident in your read of his d3 stuff that it obliterates your d1 read?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Do you think scum makes the same mistake twice in one game?

Do you think Lolo is following the game closely enough to avoid that?
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benjamin3740 posted...

Lolo wasnt even on the table until he claimed. Bodygaurd is a safe role to claim for scum and all, but why didnt Lolo claim any other flavor? Why not even his scum flavor to be immune from a flavor scan?

Honestly there's so much waffle floating around now that claiming anything isn't off the table. Lolo maybe gambled that I wouldn't scan him tonight with so many claims to try and work through.

Lolo is always on the table, even if he doesn't have votes, because of his lurky play, and the flavor gave him an excuse to claim early. That's all there is to it. There are currently 3 potter targets to scan so the odds of 5tar getting to him before he perishes is unlikely.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Oh wait no those people dont exist. That's scum.

oh ok I'll let me know next time I see me that I don't exist

benjamin3740 posted...

That town read destroys the dislike for him day 1 because if someone is town they cant be scum. So if I think he's town then he aint scum!

so you no longer care what he did d1 even though it was scummy? you're that confident in your read of his d3 stuff that it obliterates your d1 read?

UltimaterializerX posted...

Do you think scum makes the same mistake twice in one game?

Do you think Lolo is following the game closely enough to avoid that?

I dont believe you that you read people in that way.

I thought his actions were scummy day 1 because I interpreted them coming from scum. I think he's shown more sides to his thinking since then and and I can now accept his day 1 actions as acceptable for town. But my read changed from scum to town. Not from scum to 55% town. Are Pez's 45% of scum actions so bad you cant see them coming from town Pez? Because if that's the case he's not town! And vice versa. He cant be both.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Do you think scum makes the same mistake twice in one game?

Do you think Lolo is following the game closely enough to avoid that?

Also if he's scum I am positive he's at least following the game on the scumboard. That's where they get their info if they are too lazy to read.
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To be fair Tom has been pretty consistent with his sliding suspicions around from town to neutral to scum and scum to neutral to town

I want to know where you were yesterday when I was saying that way of thinking didn't make sense
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benjamin3740 posted...

Are Pez's 45% of scum actions so bad you cant see them coming from town Pez?

well if that was the case it'd be a lot closer to 100% now wouldn't it

I think it's quite reckless to commit 100% in mafia most of the time, especially when there's non-conclusive evidence on both sides of an argument.
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Lopen posted...

Lolo is always on the table, even if he doesn't have votes, because of his lurky play, and the flavor gave him an excuse to claim early. That's all there is to it. There are currently 3 potter targets to scan so the odds of 5tar getting to him before he perishes is unlikely.

And why does Lolo assume 5tar will scan the others before him?

To use your logic - 5tar wanting to scan Lolo clearly means that Lolo's claim was done with the intention of getting scanned by 5tar first!
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I'm not saying I assume he thinks that. I'm saying it's a calculated risk with the amount of claims on the table to verify. And if he's scum they can mitigate that risk by prioritizing 5tar as a kill too.
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Ben

SBell being open about his laziness doesn't mean he is town

It means he is resigned

Votals (as of post 96)
(3) Lolo: (Corrik), (Tom), SBell, Tom, Lopen
(2) MZero: (Lea), (Ben), (5tar), (Ulti), Lea, (Ben), (Ulti), Pez
(2) SBell: Puns, MZero, (Ben), (Lea), (Lopen), (Tom), (Corrik)
(2) Pez: Ben, Ulti
(1) Lea: (Tom), Hb
(1) Tom: (Lopen), Cam
(1) Cam: (5tar), (Ulti), (SBell), (Tom), Lolo, (Corrik)
(1) Lopen: Corrik
(0) Hb: (Corrik)
(0) Puns: (SBell)
(0) Ben: (Lopen)
(0) Hb: (Lopen)

With 15 players alive, it takes 8 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Wednesday, June 26th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

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Puns how many of my scum games have you actually seen.
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I can't imagine how that is relevant. But nonetheless I have no clue. At least 1

Lopen it just feels like a stupid thing for scum to do. Mind you, I'm on lolo. But I'm having doubts. You seem very confident that this is a gambit for the future. But judging lolos play so far, I don't see that in him.
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