Current Events > Hoo boy; John Oliver's segment is on impeachment

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With a national conversation underway about the possibility of impeachment

Lol what? who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?
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Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.
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a lot of democrats have been suggesting it for a while now. the desire for it among the party has been ramping up if anything
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Musourenka posted...

Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.

Majority of Democrats & especially independents do not currently support impeachment of Trump

If anyone deserves impeachment its trump bill was impeached for less
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https://wapo.st/2QdeSKZ?tid=ss_mail&utm_term=.3655b6f90cf0
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.

Majority of Democrats & especially independents do not currently support impeachment of Trump

A majority of democratics are also spineless and still think Trump and his supporters can be reasoned with. They don't care about seeking the truth, they care about protecting their asses next November.
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.

Majority of Democrats & especially independents do not currently support impeachment of Trump

A majority of democratics are also spineless and still think Trump and his supporters can be reasoned with. They don't care about seeking the truth, they care about protecting their asses next November.

I mean you can argue that, but my statement is still correct.

And what do you mean by protecting their asses? I was referring to voters

CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.

Majority of Democrats & especially independents do not currently support impeachment of Trump

Independents you may be right about.

Large majority of democratic voters are supporting impeachment. At least two-thirds.
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Maybe if you watched the video you'd see why people should be calling for impeachment
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CruelBuffalo posted...

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.

Majority of Democrats & especially independents do not currently support impeachment of Trump

A majority of democratics are also spineless and still think Trump and his supporters can be reasoned with. They don't care about seeking the truth, they care about protecting their asses next November.

I mean you can argue that, but my statement is still correct.

And what do you mean by protecting their asses? I was referring to voters

This is also explained in the video. Voters didn't support Nixon's impeachment either.
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The dude admitted, without any hesitation or qualms, that he would accept aid from a foreign government to help his election campaign. If Obama had stated that, he'd have been impeached before the interview was over.
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PatrickMahomes posted...

Lol what? who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?

Everyone shitting on Nancy Pelosi for not having a spine.

They don't need to impeach because it will definitely remove Trump. They need to impeach to show they have some fucking backbone.
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Musourenka posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.

Majority of Democrats & especially independents do not currently support impeachment of Trump

Independents you may be right about.

Large majority of democratic voters are supporting impeachment. At least two-thirds.

At least two thirds huh? I would love to see an article on that

hockeybub89 posted...

PatrickMahomes posted...

Lol what? who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?

Everyone shitting on Nancy Pelosi for not having a spine.

They don't need to impeach because it will definitely remove Trump. They need to impeach to show they have some fucking backbone.

I understand her logic though. The Senate is held by Republicans who absolutely aren't going to follow through on the impeachment. So impeaching Trump will do nothing but let him say, "FULLY CLEARED BY IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE" in his campaign ads.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.

Majority of Democrats & especially independents do not currently support impeachment of Trump

Independents you may be right about.

Large majority of democratic voters are supporting impeachment. At least two-thirds.

At least two thirds huh? I would love to see an article on that

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/02/cnn-poll-democratic-support-for-impeachment-rises-trump-approval-steady/

The shift on impeachment stems mostly from a rebound in support for it among Democrats 76% favor it currently, up from 69% in April. Whites who hold college degrees have also increased their support for impeachment. In surveys in April and March, fewer than 3 in 10 in that group favored proceedings, but that number has now climbed to 41%.

This poll, however, pins Democratic support around 50 percent:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1017751

But at any rate, elected officials have the ability to shape, not merely respond to, public opinion. These polls are taken at a time when the Democratic speaker of the house is pooh-poohing the idea.
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It's a good segment, I watched it last night. Mostly he's talking about what Impeachment actually is and how a lot of people think it's something else.
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PatrickMahomes posted...

Lol what? who the f*** is unironically suggesting impeachment?

People have been hunting for legitimate basis since the day he got in. And "unironic" is not a word. Please, don't use it.
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pegusus123456 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

PatrickMahomes posted...

Lol what? who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?

Everyone shitting on Nancy Pelosi for not having a spine.

They don't need to impeach because it will definitely remove Trump. They need to impeach to show they have some fucking backbone.

I understand her logic though. The Senate is held by Republicans who absolutely aren't going to follow through on the impeachment. So impeaching Trump will do nothing but let him say, "FULLY CLEARED BY IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE" in his campaign ads.

It would make Republicans in the senate publicly address that they dont see anything wrong with the president being above the law, which would be a pretty bad look and set a pretty bad precedent.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

PatrickMahomes posted...

Lol what? who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?

Everyone shitting on Nancy Pelosi for not having a spine.

They don't need to impeach because it will definitely remove Trump. They need to impeach to show they have some fucking backbone.

I understand her logic though. The Senate is held by Republicans who absolutely aren't going to follow through on the impeachment. So impeaching Trump will do nothing but let him say, "FULLY CLEARED BY IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE" in his campaign ads.

It would make Republicans in the senate publicly address that they dont see anything wrong with the president being above the law, which would be a pretty bad look and set a pretty bad precedent.

That would only work if most of the public believed Trump had broken the law and with the amount of fellating the man gets, that's not the case.
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pegusus123456 posted...

So impeaching Trump will do nothing but let him say, "FULLY CLEARED BY IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE" in his campaign ads.

He's already saying he's been fully exonerated by the Mueller report. You cannot craft a political strategy around what Trump will say about it, because he's always going to say what benefits him.
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You can agree with it or not agree with it but acting like impeachment hasn't been part of the conversation for awhile now is either ignorant or dishonest
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pegusus123456 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

PatrickMahomes posted...

Lol what? who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?

Everyone shitting on Nancy Pelosi for not having a spine.

They don't need to impeach because it will definitely remove Trump. They need to impeach to show they have some fucking backbone.

I understand her logic though. The Senate is held by Republicans who absolutely aren't going to follow through on the impeachment. So impeaching Trump will do nothing but let him say, "FULLY CLEARED BY IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE" in his campaign ads.

It would make Republicans in the senate publicly address that they dont see anything wrong with the president being above the law, which would be a pretty bad look and set a pretty bad precedent.

That would only work if most of the public believed Trump had broken the law and with the amount of fellating the man gets, that's not the case.

Again, majority of the public did not believe Nixon broke the law either.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

PatrickMahomes posted...

Lol what? who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?

Everyone shitting on Nancy Pelosi for not having a spine.

They don't need to impeach because it will definitely remove Trump. They need to impeach to show they have some fucking backbone.

I understand her logic though. The Senate is held by Republicans who absolutely aren't going to follow through on the impeachment. So impeaching Trump will do nothing but let him say, "FULLY CLEARED BY IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE" in his campaign ads.

It would make Republicans in the senate publicly address that they dont see anything wrong with the president being above the law, which would be a pretty bad look and set a pretty bad precedent.

That would only work if most of the public believed Trump had broken the law and with the amount of fellating the man gets, that's not the case.

Again, majority of the public did not believe Nixon broke the law either.

But the Republicans weren't completely morally bankrupt back then either.
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Whose alt is this?
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pegusus123456 posted...

But the Republicans weren't completely morally bankrupt back then either.

Well I guess let's just not do anything and let these Republicans know they can get away with anything now.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

Smashingpmkns posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

PatrickMahomes posted...

Lol what? who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?

Everyone shitting on Nancy Pelosi for not having a spine.

They don't need to impeach because it will definitely remove Trump. They need to impeach to show they have some fucking backbone.

I understand her logic though. The Senate is held by Republicans who absolutely aren't going to follow through on the impeachment. So impeaching Trump will do nothing but let him say, "FULLY CLEARED BY IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEE" in his campaign ads.

It would make Republicans in the senate publicly address that they dont see anything wrong with the president being above the law, which would be a pretty bad look and set a pretty bad precedent.

That would only work if most of the public believed Trump had broken the law and with the amount of fellating the man gets, that's not the case.

Again, majority of the public did not believe Nixon broke the law either.

Worth noting: a plurality of people do think Trump has broken the law: https://www.nbcnews.com/card/forty-five-percent-voters-believe-trump-has-broken-law-president-n979671

Forty-five percent of registered voters believe President Trump has committed crimes while in office, a new Quinnipiac University poll released Tuesday shows, while 43 percent believe he has not broken the law as president.

Unsurprisingly, theres a stark partisan split inside those numbers.

Three-quarters of Democrats say they believe Trump has committed a crime as president, while just 12 percent of Republicans share that view. Majorities of women, voters between 18-34 years of age and black voters all think Trump committed a crimes since his inauguration.

A plurality of independents, 46 percent, also believe Trump has broken the law while president.

There's far less debate over his conduct before he took office.

Sixty-four percent of registered voters including majorities of Democrats, independents, men, women, college educated voters, non-college educated voters, white voters, black voters and Hispanic voters say they believe he committed crimes before he became president.

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Anyone who doesnt think the House should hold impeachment hearings doesnt understand impeachment or the Houses duties.
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There is no downside to impeachment hearings. Trump is going to rattle off about being mistreated and exonerated whether they end in his clearing or not, and republicans have evangelized him to the point where they think he can walk on water so it's not going to energize them any more or less

Even if it doesn't pass, which it won't, it's still pretty good to stand up to flagrant corruption, incompetence, and disregard for everything
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They should've impeached his fat ass a long time ago but D's are literally scared of how his cult would violently react to him being removed from power. We're basically on the edge of fascism but nobody wants to admit that
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Antifar posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Musourenka posted...

Nadler, Amash

Democrats with a spine.

Democratic and independent voters.

Majority of Democrats & especially independents do not currently support impeachment of Trump

Independents you may be right about.

Large majority of democratic voters are supporting impeachment. At least two-thirds.

At least two thirds huh? I would love to see an article on that

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/06/02/cnn-poll-democratic-support-for-impeachment-rises-trump-approval-steady/

The shift on impeachment stems mostly from a rebound in support for it among Democrats 76% favor it currently, up from 69% in April. Whites who hold college degrees have also increased their support for impeachment. In surveys in April and March, fewer than 3 in 10 in that group favored proceedings, but that number has now climbed to 41%.

This poll, however, pins Democratic support around 50 percent:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1017751

But at any rate, elected officials have the ability to shape, not merely respond to, public opinion. These polls are taken at a time when the Democratic speaker of the house is pooh-poohing the idea.

Very interesting, those are pretty high shoot ups.

Guess Pelosi gotta do a better job explaining what impeachment means to the public

Pitlord_Special posted...

They should've impeached his fat ass a long time ago but D's are literally scared of how his cult would violently react to him being removed from power. We're basically on the edge of fascism but nobody wants to admit that

imagine thinking this unironically
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Trump is going to make himself the victim no matter what, so what he would say is irrelevant. Not impeaching says we don't give a fuck what the President does. No need to hold them accountable for their actions. "Who cares what the truth is? The President is above reproach"

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Anyone who doesnt think the House should hold impeachment hearings doesnt understand impeachment or the Houses duties.

People still think impeachment means removal even though Nixon was never impeached and Johnson and Clinton were acquitted.
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pegusus123456 posted...

The dude admitted, without any hesitation or qualms, that he would accept aid from a foreign government to help his election campaign. If Obama had stated that, he'd have been impeached before the interview was over.

Obama was held to standards

Trump is not
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UnfairRepresent posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

The dude admitted, without any hesitation or qualms, that he would accept aid from a foreign government to help his election campaign. If Obama had stated that, he'd have been impeached before the interview was over.

Obama was held to standards

Trump is not

exactly
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The things House Democrats are doing in lieu of impeachment are
1) also not getting past the Senate
2) not getting through to the public
3) not preventing Trump from saying Democrats are doing nothing but investigating him and chasing impeachment
https://wapo.st/2MR59fn

While House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has rejected suggestions that there is a political motive behind her careful stance resisting a rush into impeachment, she has also taken extreme care over the past five months to keep public attention as much as possible on the legislative agenda.

But that has been difficult to do in a media environment preoccupied with her battles with Trump and while leading a Democratic caucus full of dozens who see the presidents alleged misdeeds as the most pressing issue facing the country.

It used to be that the Democratic Party had one microphone and it was held by the people who were in the highest place of leadership, said one Democratic lawmaker briefed on the DCCC focus-group findings. What were seeing in some of this polling is just a reflection of, there is not one single Democratic microphone anymore. Its disbursed there are a number of mid-sized microphones, there a couple bigger ones. And on the Republican side they still have one big microphone.

The individual spoke on the condition of anonymity to freely discuss the findings.

Trump has been especially keen in recent weeks to assail Democrats for stepping up their investigations and openly pondering impeachment while the southern border crisis festers. The two parties have yet to agree on emergency spending to address the rush of more than 100,000 mostly Central American migrants who have been apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border each month, let alone a wider-ranging immigration bill.

According to those briefed on the DCCC focus groups, which were conducted earlier this year in Maine, Michigan and Southern California, voters are largely unaware of political developments that dont involve the president. That in and of itself is not surprising given the fact an election is 18 months away, Democrats said, but it highlighted the difficulty the party will have driving a message not involving Trump.

One poll that has gotten attention among Democratic leaders, commissioned by the advocacy group End Citizens United, found in early May that voters in 12 presidential battleground states trusted Democrats no more than Trump to crack down on political corruption or limit the influence of money in politics this, despite the fact that House leaders made a sprawling anti-corruption bill a centerpiece of their early legislative agenda.

After poll respondents were informed about the House bill, they gave Democrats about a 10-point advantage on the issue.

The big danger here is that the other side of the aisle, namely our president, is conveying a message that nothing is getting done and that all the Democrats are doing is investigating, and that is completely false, said Rep. Kim Schrier (D-Wash.), another freshman who claimed a former GOP seat last year. Part of the issue, she said, is that voters are no longer getting bombarded with TV ads and other election-related messages.

All of the drawbacks people give towards attempting impeachment: that it won't get through the Senate, that it will overshadow the party's agenda, that Trump will declare himself vindicated - all those things are happening anyways.
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PatrickMahomes posted...

who the fuck is unironically suggesting impeachment?

what rock have you been under lol
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hockeybub89 posted...

King_Hellebuyck posted...

Anyone who doesnt think the House should hold impeachment hearings doesnt understand impeachment or the Houses duties.

People still think impeachment means removal even though Nixon was never impeached and Johnson and Clinton were acquitted.

Exactly, its so fucking frustrating. And somehow no one is correcting this narrative.
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Problem is, theres no grounds for impeachment yet and likely never will.

Too many nothingburgers.

the representative from the brony faction has spoken
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PonyTech462 posted...

theres no grounds for impeachment yet

lol
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He hits every high point. They essentially went just shy of making a big in-studio setpiece saying "Yes, there's grounds for impeachment."

Probably involving some kind of cartoon animal or budget comedian who's a friend of the show.
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hockeybub89 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

pegusus123456 posted...

The dude admitted, without any hesitation or qualms, that he would accept aid from a foreign government to help his election campaign. If Obama had stated that, he'd have been impeached before the interview was over.

Obama was held to standards

Trump is not

exactly

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PonyTech462 posted...

Problem is, theres no grounds for impeachment yet and likely never will.

Too many nothingburgers.

Then let's impeach him and let the nothingburgers speak for themselves
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The problem is, even if the House manages to impeach, the Senate will shoot it down and then it's over. Trump is still in power, and the Democrats have nothing to show for all their effort. "We tried", might work for some voters, but it's just going to piss off a lot of people for wasting all this time on something superfluous when they could be doing actual work. This whole thing just looks like sour grapes to people. 2 years of building up the Mueller report, and when that didn't pan out, move on to crying about impeachment. I think a large portion of people are over it at this point.
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StucklnMyPants posted...

The problem is, even if the House manages to impeach, the Senate will shoot it down and then it's over. Trump is still in power, and the Democrats have nothing to show for all their effort. "We tried", might work for some voters, but it's just going to piss off a lot of people for wasting all this time on something superfluous when they could be doing actual work. This whole thing just looks like sour grapes to people. 2 years of building up the Mueller report, and when that didn't pan out, move on to crying about impeachment. I think a large portion of people are over it at this point.

Mueller should have indicted Trump him telling the dems to is weak sauce he had enough
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Hopefully the democrats try to impeach trump. Then when nothing happens republican voters will be angry and go to the polls and indirectly lead to the democrats losing seats maybe even the election.
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StucklnMyPants posted...

The problem is, even if the House manages to impeach, the Senate will shoot it down and then it's over. Trump is still in power, and the Democrats have nothing to show for all their effort. "We tried", might work for some voters, but it's just going to piss off a lot of people for wasting all this time on something superfluous when they could be doing actual work. This whole thing just looks like sour grapes to people. 2 years of building up the Mueller report, and when that didn't pan out, move on to crying about impeachment. I think a large portion of people are over it at this point.

The Mueller report supports impeachment.
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Before y'all can impeach trump, you gotta get rid of The Mitch. #impeachmitch
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This time, guys.
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