Board 8 > So now that we've had time to digest it, how's the physics in Smash Ultimate?

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redrocket 12/30/18 2:41:20 PM #1:	How do the physics in Ultimate stack up to the rest of the series? - Results (3 votes) Middling, multiple games in the series are better. 0% (0 votes) 0 It's second best to one of 64/Brawl/4. 33.33% (1 vote) 1 It's second best to Melee. 66.67% (2 votes) 2 It's better than all including Melee, but this is more personal preference because they are different styles. 0% (0 votes) 0 It's the best and it beats Melee at its own game. 0% (0 votes) 0 In case this wasn't obvious enough, you are grading Ultimate on physics only in this topic. When 4 came out it was widely praised as a big improvement over Brawl, but there were a lot of holdouts that still swore by Melee. How does Ultimate fare? --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:914929921] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote> How do the physics in Ultimate stack up to the rest of the series? - Results (3 votes) Middling, multiple games in the series are better. 0% (0 votes) 0 It's second best to one of 64/Brawl/4. 33.33% (1 vote) 1 It's second best to Melee. 66.67% (2 votes) 2 It's better than all including Melee, but this is more personal preference because they are different styles. 0% (0 votes) 0 It's the best and it beats Melee at its own game. 0% (0 votes) 0 In case this wasn't obvious enough, you are grading Ultimate on physics only in this topic. When 4 came out it was widely praised as a big improvement over Brawl, but there were a lot of holdouts that still swore by Melee. How does Ultimate fare?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 12/30/18 2:52:06 PM #2:	I don't have a physics degree how am I supposed to know --- https://imgur.com/LhGP5E6 https://card.psnprofiles.com/2/CaptainRockman.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:914930443] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>I don't have a physics degree how am I supposed to know</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket 12/30/18 3:09:33 PM #3:	ninkendo posted... I don't have a physics degree how am I supposed to know You have a degree in metallurgy though (specializing in platinum). I think that's close enough. --- It's like paying for bubble wrap. -transience on Final Fantasy: All the Bravest <cite>redrocket posted [p:914931293] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote><cite>ninkendo posted...</cite> <quote>I don't have a physics degree how am I supposed to know</quote> You have a degree in metallurgy though (specializing in platinum). I think that's close enough.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 12/30/18 3:25:14 PM #4:	Seems fine, but I'm not picky --- https://imgtc.com/i/uWMMlnN.png A thousand candles of peace <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:914932044] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>Seems fine, but I'm not picky</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/18 3:27:47 PM #5:	64 is still the best but I'd take it over the others --- No problem! Advokaiser kicked my ass! ... wait that's not right. <cite>Lopen posted [p:914932161] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>64 is still the best but I'd take it over the others</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solioxrz362 12/30/18 4:56:00 PM #6:	Lopen posted... 64 is still the best but I'd take it over the others well this is certainly an opinion As for Ultimate, the Balloon Knockback is not my favorite thing in the world, but it's not the worst thing either. LSI is a little silly. Otherwise, everything else is best in the series IMO. --- Got a brand new blues that I can't explain <cite>Solioxrz362 posted [p:914936679] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>64 is still the best but I'd take it over the others</quote> well this is certainly an opinion As for Ultimate, the Balloon Knockback is not my favorite thing in the world, but it's not the worst thing either. LSI is a little silly. Otherwise, everything else is best in the series IMO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 12/30/18 5:37:21 PM #7:	Melee's physics are ridiculously overrated. The physics could be objectively perfect in every way and there'd still be a bunch of people complaining that they're not melee Ultimate is very easily better --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:914938736] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>Melee's physics are ridiculously overrated. The physics could be objectively perfect in every way and there'd still be a bunch of people complaining that they're not melee Ultimate is very easily better</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/18 7:49:39 PM #8:	I mean of the 64/Brawl/4 option 64 is easilythe one that makes most sense to prefer 4 is basically just Ultimate more or less Brawl is super floaty and no one liked it I think 64 is like... slightly more floaty/slow Ultimate if memory serves. Which is what I prefer most. --- No problem! Advokaiser kicked my ass! ... wait that's not right. <cite>Lopen posted [p:914946306] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>I mean of the 64/Brawl/4 option 64 is easilythe one that makes most sense to prefer 4 is basically just Ultimate more or less Brawl is super floaty and no one liked it I think 64 is like... slightly more floaty/slow Ultimate if memory serves. Which is what I prefer most.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solioxrz362 12/30/18 7:54:34 PM #9:	Lopen posted... I think 64 is like... slightly more floaty/slow Ultimate if memory serves. Which is what I prefer most. it is definitely not. go watch competitive 64 play. you take so much stun on every hit that you can pull off combos that make absolutely no sense. this physics piece alone makes 64 below ultimate and 4. --- Got a brand new blues that I can't explain <cite>Solioxrz362 posted [p:914946586] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>I think 64 is like... slightly more floaty/slow Ultimate if memory serves. Which is what I prefer most.</quote> it is definitely not. go watch competitive 64 play. you take so much stun on every hit that you can pull off combos that make absolutely no sense. this physics piece alone makes 64 below ultimate and 4.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mewtwo59 12/30/18 7:57:38 PM #10:	Yeah, 64 was notorious for its 0 to death combos. --- ""Love" is making a shot to the knees of a target 120 kilometers away using an Aratech sniper rifle with a tri-light scope." HK-47 <cite>Mewtwo59 posted [p:914946725] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, 64 was notorious for its 0 to death combos.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/18 8:11:30 PM #11:	Mmm okay I will admit I never played 64 at a high level but it felt best to play speaking from a casual perspective I guess I'd give it to Ultimate then even if I liked 64's feel best. Not like there was a big difference anyway --- No problem! Advokaiser kicked my ass! ... wait that's not right. <cite>Lopen posted [p:914947348] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>Mmm okay I will admit I never played 64 at a high level but it felt best to play speaking from a casual perspective I guess I'd give it to Ultimate then even if I liked 64's feel best. Not like there was a big difference anyway</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 12/30/18 8:35:24 PM #12:	I've loved Melees for so long but Ultimate is the first time where I can't say definitively if I prefer Melee or not sooooo I'll just give the point to Ultimate hail directional air dodge --- https://imgtc.com/i/1LkkaGU.jpg somethin somethin hung somethin horse somethin <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:914948603] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>I've loved Melees for so long but Ultimate is the first time where I can't say definitively if I prefer Melee or not sooooo I'll just give the point to Ultimate hail directional air dodge</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 12/30/18 9:28:37 PM #13:	Lopen posted... 4 is basically just Brawl more or less Here ya go, fixed a small error for you. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:914951397] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>4 is basically just Brawl more or less</quote> Here ya go, fixed a small error for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ViviffTheMobile 12/30/18 10:31:30 PM #14:	Lopen posted... Mmm okay I will admit I never played 64 at a high level but it felt best to play speaking from a casual perspective I guess I'd give it to Ultimate then even if I liked 64's feel best. Not like there was a big difference anyway Go play 64 for 5 minutes and itll feel super awkward and plodding and youll never touch it again. I have a handful of competitive engine gripes so far, but I need to see more patches before I can say anything. It definitely has the potential to be the best; it just needs to not end up being a gimmicky counterpick-fest --- Viviff on the go! (or from the toilet) http://i.minus.com/iUSn0BlyRplGN.gif <cite>ViviffTheMobile posted [p:914954632] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Mmm okay I will admit I never played 64 at a high level but it felt best to play speaking from a casual perspective I guess I'd give it to Ultimate then even if I liked 64's feel best. Not like there was a big difference anyway</quote> Go play 64 for 5 minutes and itll feel super awkward and plodding and youll never touch it again. I have a handful of competitive engine gripes so far, but I need to see more patches before I can say anything. It definitely has the potential to be the best; it just needs to not end up being a gimmicky counterpick-fest</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jcgamer107 12/30/18 11:16:23 PM #15:	2nd-best to Melee, pretty good --- Official Advokaiser advocate <cite>jcgamer107 posted [p:914956823] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>2nd-best to Melee, pretty good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeabassDebeste 12/30/18 11:21:54 PM #16:	from an intuitive feel perspective, it seems equal to melee, better than brawl and 64. haven't played 4. --- yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness <cite>SeabassDebeste posted [p:914957098] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>from an intuitive feel perspective, it seems equal to melee, better than brawl and 64. haven't played 4.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 12/30/18 11:33:39 PM #17:	ninkendo posted... I don't have a physics degree how am I supposed to know soon --- Life before death. Strength before weakness. Journey before destination. <cite>NFUN posted [p:914957584] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote><cite>ninkendo posted...</cite> <quote>I don't have a physics degree how am I supposed to know</quote> soon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solioxrz362 12/30/18 11:56:34 PM #18:	Waluigi1 posted... Lopen posted... 4 is basically just Brawl more or less Here ya go, fixed a small error for you. also horribly, horribly wrong Brawl has momentum cancelling Brawl is slower and floatier Brawl has less hitstun Brawl has ledgehogging --- Got a brand new blues that I can't explain <cite>Solioxrz362 posted [p:914958527] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote><cite>Waluigi1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>4 is basically just Brawl more or less</quote> Here ya go, fixed a small error for you.</quote> also horribly, horribly wrong Brawl has momentum cancelling Brawl is slower and floatier Brawl has less hitstun Brawl has ledgehogging</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solioxrz362 12/30/18 11:59:05 PM #19:	basically, none of the smash games have the same physics. at all. obviously there's some similarities - for example ledgehogging was shared by the first three, ledgetrumping is now in the last two. but if you look at the full systems compared to one another, they're all wildly different. --- Got a brand new blues that I can't explain <cite>Solioxrz362 posted [p:914958645] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>basically, none of the smash games have the same physics. at all. obviously there's some similarities - for example ledgehogging was shared by the first three, ledgetrumping is now in the last two. but if you look at the full systems compared to one another, they're all wildly different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kamekguy 12/31/18 12:28:21 AM #20:	I like it best, but input buffering and dropped frames put it beneath Melee for me. The physics themselves are the best they've ever been, but I really hate the buffer, makes mashing-oriented recovery like Bowser or DK or mashing out of a grab feel awful since an accidental input is so easy. --- Doin' Game Design Vids: https://www.youtube.com/c/DesigningFor <cite>Kamekguy posted [p:914959903] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>I like it best, but input buffering and dropped frames put it beneath Melee for me. The physics themselves are the best they've ever been, but I really hate the buffer, makes mashing-oriented recovery like Bowser or DK or mashing out of a grab feel awful since an accidental input is so easy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jcgamer107 12/31/18 12:37:30 AM #21:	I mean, 4 and Ultimate feel very similar --- Official Advokaiser advocate <cite>jcgamer107 posted [p:914960256] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>I mean, 4 and Ultimate feel very similar</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/31/18 12:46:05 AM #22:	4 definitely feels similar to Ultimate to me. There are differences, I'm aware, and Ultimate is a bit faster on the whole, but yeah. Definitely closer to Ultimate than it is to Brawl by far. I don't get that one at all. --- No problem! Advokaiser kicked my ass! ... wait that's not right. <cite>Lopen posted [p:914960559] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>4 definitely feels similar to Ultimate to me. There are differences, I'm aware, and Ultimate is a bit faster on the whole, but yeah. Definitely closer to Ultimate than it is to Brawl by far. I don't get that one at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Waluigi1 12/31/18 1:54:57 AM #23:	No fucking way. You guys are crazy. --- PSN, and GT: Waluigi1 Switch FC: SW-6848-3841-9099 <cite>Waluigi1 posted [p:914962654] in So now tha... [t:77346650]...</cite> <quote>No fucking way. You guys are crazy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > So now that we've had time to digest it, how's the physics in Smash Ultimate?