Current Events > If an ultrasound revealed pre-birth that your child had a medium to serious

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would you? i read an article on something like this topic and supposedly the percentage of parents who would choose to abort is very high.

Would you want to condemn somebody to live with a serious mental or physical defect? I wouldn't.
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IloveJesus posted...

Would you want to condemn somebody to live with a serious mental or physical defect? I wouldn't.

There are plenty of disabled people that would rather have been born than never had a shot at life. This idea that you are saving your child from a life of suffering is nothing more than a weak inward justification of not wanting the burden on yourself to take care of a disabled child.
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Yeah, I would abort, too much money to take care of medical care on top of the already expensive cost of having a child.
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to be clear - it is termination of a life to abort the child. that said:

mental defect: yes
physical defect: depends

i'd think missing a leg and an arm is still fine to be born in the tech age with prosthetics easily available and are always getting better rapidly.
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I would. Not sure if I have the patience to raise an abled child, nevermind a disabled one.
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kinda fucked up that nobody chose the realistic "not sure what I'd do" answer

Why is the defect relevant?

If an ultrasound revealed pre-birth that I was going to have a child, I'd want it gotten rid of regardless what defects it may or may not have

ThePrinceFish posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Would you want to condemn somebody to live with a serious mental or physical defect? I wouldn't.

There are plenty of disabled people that would rather have been born than never had a shot at life. This idea that you are saving your child from a life of suffering is nothing more than a weak inward justification of not wanting the burden on yourself to take care of a disabled child.

I'm not disabled and I spent the first 20 or so years of my life wishing I hadn't been born. Please don't try to project your motivations onto me. I choose to work with children with a number of difficulties. I'm not shy of hardship, but making the decision between creating a life which will certainly include a lot of hardship and suffering and letting it end before it begins, to me it seems much kinder to choose the second option.
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It would ultimately be the mother's decision, but I'd make it pretty clear I don't feel capable of taking care of someone with special needs for the rest of my life at all.
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I'd abort it regardless, I don't want kids.
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You can't really see that with ultrasound. You need a blood test and 3ven still there are so many false positives. If you get a positive it's still only 1 to 5 percent chance that it will happen.
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Yes.
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I will fight like hell for my children no matter what.
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I'd like to see what @TheDogfather thinks about this. Maybe instead of debating what people disabled at birth might probably be thinking, we could just ask our resident CEman that's actually living through this.
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@A_Good_Boy

I voted the top option. In fact, my parents are the only reasons why I "endure" this mockery of an existence. At this point, I beg to reality tha...

*sigh*

Yeah.
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Thanks for your input either way.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Thanks for your input either way.

Thanks for thinking of me.
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ThePrinceFish posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Would you want to condemn somebody to live with a serious mental or physical defect? I wouldn't.

There are plenty of disabled people that would rather have been born than never had a shot at life. This idea that you are saving your child from a life of suffering is nothing more than a weak inward justification of not wanting the burden on yourself to take care of a disabled child.

Life is not a gift. It's at best a completely neutral thing, and most accurately a burden.

I wouldn't want to be born with any issues
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ThePrinceFish posted...

There are plenty of disabled people that would rather have been born than never had a shot at life

I don't think it is possible to know what a dead fetus wants.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

a burden

or worse
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TheDogfather posted...

@A_Good_Boy

I voted the top option. In fact, my parents are the only reasons why I "endure" this mockery of an existence. At this point, I beg to reality tha...

*sigh*

Yeah.

Now I'm curious and very sad.
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I wouldn't have the strength to raise that child
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hockeybub89 posted...

ThePrinceFish posted...

There are plenty of disabled people that would rather have been born than never had a shot at life

I don't think it is possible to know what a dead fetus wants.

I don't think I said anything about the feelings of the unborn, living or dead.

Your quoted statement is about grown human beings who are glad that their parents didn't choose to "spare" them from living with their disabilities.
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I really don't know. I really don't personally like abortion, but the selfish part of me wants to say I'd do it.

I guess it depends on the severity of the disability.
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Depends on the severity of the issue. Without listing them all but going with "medium to serious". Yeah.
This is in that arena for me personally on abortion being ok.
Mother's life in danger and the child has a disability.

Basically ask yourself if you would want to live with whatever the issue may be. Even if it's mid range. I know I wouldn't.
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i like how CE is casually deciding what to do with their girlfriend's baby that she is carrying

like she is a disposable receptacle.

Sexism at its finest

it would be up to her, not me
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Animals abort and eat their unhealthy young all the time. I aint saying thats the route Id go down, but me and my baby aint nothing but mammals
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UnfairRepresent posted...

i like how CE is casually deciding what to do with their girlfriend's baby that she is carrying

like she is a disposable receptacle.

Sexism at its finest

it would be up to her, not me

Completely agree with this aside from the weird receptacle comment.
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Nah, I'd put them up for adoption though.
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i imagine i'd have a serious talk with my wife/significant other. it would depend heavily on the medical condition itself, at the very least i'd 100% push for abortion if it was something like tay-sachs.
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IloveJesus posted...

ThePrinceFish posted...

IloveJesus posted...

Would you want to condemn somebody to live with a serious mental or physical defect? I wouldn't.

There are plenty of disabled people that would rather have been born than never had a shot at life. This idea that you are saving your child from a life of suffering is nothing more than a weak inward justification of not wanting the burden on yourself to take care of a disabled child.

I'm not disabled and I spent the first 20 or so years of my life wishing I hadn't been born. Please don't try to project your motivations onto me. I choose to work with children with a number of difficulties. I'm not shy of hardship, but making the decision between creating a life which will certainly include a lot of hardship and suffering and letting it end before it begins, to me it seems much kinder to choose the second option.

But as you said using yourself as an example, its a gamble either way. Why not give them a shot? And people with Downs, for example, are said to be constantly filled with happiness.
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Depends on the defect
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I dont want kids in the first place, but I doubly would not want to care for a child who is severely
Impaired. Minor impairments wouldnt be a big issue, but something where life expectancy is less than 20 years, bedridden their whole life, or mentally impaired would be too much to handle.

I think it depends
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UnfairRepresent posted...

i like how CE is casually deciding what to do with their girlfriend's baby that she is carrying

like she is a disposable receptacle.

Sexism at its finest

it would be up to her, not me

Pretty sexist on your part that the guy has zero word in the saying. Hopefully one of these years Men will be treated as equals.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pretty sexist on your part that the guy has zero word in the saying. Hopefully one of these years Men will be treated as equals.

Men don't carry fetuses inside them for 9 months and give birth.

If they did then it would be up to them.

Just like it's not up to women to decide whether or not you're allowed to have testicles. That's your decision.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Pretty sexist on your part that the guy has zero word in the saying. Hopefully one of these years Men will be treated as equals.

Men don't carry fetuses inside them for 9 months and give birth.

If they did then it would be up to them.

Just like it's not up to women to decide whether or not you're allowed to have testicles. That's your decision.

Instead they have to be cast into poverty for 18 YEARS.

iClockwork posted...

Instead they have to be cast into poverty for 18 YEARS.

Better than a single mother and child being unsupported.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

iClockwork posted...

Instead they have to be cast into poverty for 18 YEARS.

Better than a single mother and child being unsupported.

It's a silly point to make anyway.

"It don't want to spend money therefore I get control over your body autonomy" is pure insanity.

I don't want to spend money on my car, doesn't mean I get to remove one of your lungs.

It's such a non-sequitur
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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't want to spend money on my car, doesn't mean I get to remove one of your lungs.

The man isn't court ordered to pay for the car and a lung is vital to the womens physical health while a fetus isn't

What a shit comparison.

this is why you should never get married she's just in it for the resources

If I was a woman, I'd abort in a heartbeat. If I had a pregnant partner, I'd definitely talk with her about aborting.
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anyone who said yes is a selfish, despicable human being

If the man doesnt want the defect fetus then he should be able to back out if the woman wants to birth it into the world.
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Raise this

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CharlesBronson posted...

anyone who said yes is a selfish, despicable human being

Yeah a good person births suffering in human form and keeps it breathing until it dies prematurely.
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iClockwork posted...

The man isn't court ordered to pay for the car

That's irrelevant.

Oppose the court if it bothers you, don't demand control over other people's bodies like a psycopath.
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