Current Events > French Police Threaten to join protestors, demand better pay + conditions

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https://www.newsweek.com/france-protests-police-strike-gilets-jaunes-yellow-vests-pay-overtime-1264961

The French government is desperately trying to keep its exhausted police force onside following weeks of violent protests demanding economic reforms, improved living standards and the resignation of President Emmanuel Macron.

On Wednesday, French officials met with police trade union leaders to work out a deal to soothe anger in law enforcement ranks regarding overwork, unpaid overtime and difficult working conditions, Le Monde reported.

But some activists are calling on police to walk out on government negotiations, close down police stations and join the gilets jaunesor yellow vestprotesters with whom they have been facing off since November 17.

Negotiations between three unionsAlliance, UNSA-Police and Unity-SGP-FOand Interior Minister Christophe Castaner on Tuesday failed to reach a settlement. As talks resumed on Wednesday, France 24 reported that activists were calling on forces across the country to commit to a slowdown and only respond to emergencies until the dispute had been settled.

Police have accumulated some 23 million hours of overtime that is yet to be paid. According to The Local France, police union leader Frdric Lagache explained, Faced with this irresponsibility [of the government], we are forced to be irresponsible in our actions.

The Alliance and Unity-SGP-FO unions called for a black day for the police on Wednesday. The Alliance is using Twitter and Facebook to rally support for what it calls Act 1 of the police protests, using the name given to the ongoing demonstrations held by the gilets jaunes. The group has also threatened to hold Act II and Act III if required.

Unions have already warned the government over a newly proposed budget set to be adopted Thursday, which Alliance said would cut around $70.8 million from the national police budget.

Such a blow would further degrade conditions for police amid their most pressing deployments for years. Denis Jacob, a spokesperson for the Alternative Police union, said the police are already at breaking point.

The government is offering a one-off bonus of around $342 to each officer deployed to face the gilets jaunes protests, totaling around $37.7 million. But this may not be enough to placate a force that claims to have been overworked and underpaid for yearsunpaid overtime, for example, totals around $313 million nationwide, Le Monde reported.

Secretary of State Laurent Nuez told the RMC radio station Wednesday he would work on a payment schedule to address the governments debts, though he warned that the exact details remain under discussion with the unions.

French Revolution 2.0?
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Do French police even do anything?
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Irony posted...

Do French police even do anything?

they're currently preventing the protestors from burning down government buildings and eating the people inside them
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That doesn't sound French
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Irony posted...

That doesn't sound French

you might want to look into some pre-WW2 history
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The French know how to revolt like a mother fucker.
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Macron really is the dumbest, and somehow that's how he's better than Le Pen. I'll take it!

XD
Their govt cant not fail
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pres_madagascar posted...

The French know how to revolt like a mother fucker.

It takes a Frenchman to lose to a Frenchman.
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This strike would be fucking incredible if the police themselves walked off the job. Like holy shit.

"Let's station police around important buildings and to protect important people, and force them to work unreasonably long hours with little compensation. That will get them to defend us from the legions of workers who are striking for more reasonable hours and better compensation for their efforts."

Like it reminds me of this picture of some Greek labourers smashing up their boss's Lamborghini. They had been working for weeks with no pay, while the guy who hired them and profited from their work had the money to buy himself a luxury car. So they got on top of it and beat it to shit with their sledgehammers from work.
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L.O.L.
averagejoel posted...

Irony posted...

Do French police even do anything?

they're currently preventing the protestors from burning down government buildings and eating the people inside them

Lmao
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Viva La France
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AlecSkorpio posted...

Viva La France

(pssssssst... "viva" is spanish. the french conjugation is spelled "vive")
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I'm curious for your take, TC. I've seen a couple contrasting views online: one, echoing the sentiment in this thread that such a strike would mark a pivotal shift that should be celebrated; conversely, that a movement cops are willing to join should be looked at with some skepticism.
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Antifar posted...

conversely, that a movement cops are willing to join should be looked at with some skepticism.

lol
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averagejoel posted...

French Revolution 2.0?

I'm pretty sure they're up to four or five by now.

God's gonna be doing a lot of sorting in France pretty soon.
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Maybe it's time for Spain to build a wall...

Antifar posted...

that a movement cops are willing to join should be looked at with some skepticism.

I don't know if their willingness to join is a mark against the movement itself, but I'd certainly be skeptical of police joining the movement. Wouldn't trust a single one of them not to be there just for information purposes.
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Antifar posted...

I'm curious for your take, TC. I've seen a couple contrasting views online: one, echoing the sentiment in this thread that such a strike would mark a pivotal shift that should be celebrated; conversely, that a movement cops are willing to join should be looked at with some skepticism.

I tend to agree and if it were American cops I would on board 100%. European police seem to be a bit more on the actual normal side and less of the sociopathic twitchy monsters that American cops are.
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A,good time to supply guillotine? Who do i approach to get the contracts?
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apolloooo posted...

A,good time to supply guillotine? Who do i approach to get the contracts?

Don't bother.
Anyone worth guillotining is already in UK or Belgium.

Questionmarktarius posted...

apolloooo posted...

A,good time to supply guillotine? Who do i approach to get the contracts?

Don't bother.
Anyone worth guillotining is already in UK or Belgium.

Lame
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QueenCarly posted...

Antifar posted...

that a movement cops are willing to join should be looked at with some skepticism.

I don't know if their willingness to join is a mark against the movement itself, but I'd certainly be skeptical of police joining the movement. Wouldn't trust a single one of them not to be there just for information purposes.

this, basically. skepticism for the police themselves

but also, police joining protestors means revolution
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Irony posted...

That doesn't sound French

The Reign of Terror my man.
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Why does TC support protests for lower taxes and nationalism?
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Spooking posted...

This protest is turning into another OWS.

EDIT: To be fair, at least these french protesters are getting concession whilst OWS got nothing. LOL

When did OWS demand lower taxes?
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Protestor: Omelette du fromage?
Police: Oui. Hon hon hon!
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unbelievable that they would refuse pay to the police they expect to protect them. idk much of anything about the situation but the government seems largely incompetent
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This is the consequence of overly generous socialist policies and a coddled society.

Everyone wants free shit, better pay, shorter hours, but nobody has any idea where to get it from.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

This is the consequence of overly generous socialist policies and a coddled society.

Everyone wants free shit, better pay, shorter hours, but nobody has any idea where to get it from.

your username is extremely appropriate here
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averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

This is the consequence of overly generous socialist policies and a coddled society.

Everyone wants free shit, better pay, shorter hours, but nobody has any idea where to get it from.

your username is extremely appropriate here

Give me a solution. Tell me how you would fix France's issues. Your communist nonsense doesn't work.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

This is the consequence of overly generous socialist policies and a coddled society.

Everyone wants free shit, better pay, shorter hours, but nobody has any idea where to get it from.

your username is extremely appropriate here

Give me a solution. Tell me how you would fix France's issues. Your communist nonsense doesn't work.

why not? because the largest military power in history didn't allow it to work in the past?
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If only American police had this much sack.
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averagejoel posted...

why not? because the largest military power in history didn't allow it to work in the past?

Because it's a shit idea that goes against human nature.

I challenge you. How would you fix France's problems? Time for some critical thinking.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Because it's shit idea that goes against human nature.

it's not shit and it doesn't go against human nature

I challenge you. How would you fix France's problems? Time for some critical thinking.

that's a pretty fucking vague question, and you're asking me to use much more intellectual capacity than you have shown yourself to be capable of. why don't you tell me exactly what your problem is with communism, using some of that critical thinking, before making demands of me?
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averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Because it's shit idea that goes against human nature.

it's not shit and it doesn't go against human nature

I challenge you. How would you fix France's problems? Time for some critical thinking.

that's a pretty fucking vague question, and you're asking me to use much more intellectual capacity than you have shown yourself to be capable of. why don't you tell me exactly what your problem is with communism, using some of that critical thinking, before making demands of me?

In other words, you have 0 answers to any problems and your first NEET instinct is to fall back on communism. Gotcha.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Because it's shit idea that goes against human nature.

it's not shit and it doesn't go against human nature

I challenge you. How would you fix France's problems? Time for some critical thinking.

that's a pretty fucking vague question, and you're asking me to use much more intellectual capacity than you have shown yourself to be capable of. why don't you tell me exactly what your problem is with communism, using some of that critical thinking, before making demands of me?

In other words, you have 0 answers to any problems and your first NEET instinct is to fall back on communism. Gotcha.

no, I just don't know if it's worth my time to give you a serious response. you gotta give me something first so I know if you are or not.
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averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Because it's shit idea that goes against human nature.

it's not shit and it doesn't go against human nature

I challenge you. How would you fix France's problems? Time for some critical thinking.

that's a pretty fucking vague question, and you're asking me to use much more intellectual capacity than you have shown yourself to be capable of. why don't you tell me exactly what your problem is with communism, using some of that critical thinking, before making demands of me?

In other words, you have 0 answers to any problems and your first NEET instinct is to fall back on communism. Gotcha.

no, I just don't know if it's worth my time to give you a serious response. you gotta give me something first so I know if you are or not.

To call yourself average is too generous. In a communist society, it requires a huge concentration of power where the ruling party is akin to a near dictatorship. And to keep a communist society going, you're basically giving up your freedom and be told what to do like a slave and work like a slave. You won't be sitting around to post on GameFAQs and play games all day. If you don't work to keep the cogs spinning, you may not wake up to see the morning.

But enough about slavery. How about you come up with a solution to paying everyone more in France. Where are you going to get the money from?
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Because it's shit idea that goes against human nature.

it's not shit and it doesn't go against human nature

I challenge you. How would you fix France's problems? Time for some critical thinking.

that's a pretty fucking vague question, and you're asking me to use much more intellectual capacity than you have shown yourself to be capable of. why don't you tell me exactly what your problem is with communism, using some of that critical thinking, before making demands of me?

In other words, you have 0 answers to any problems and your first NEET instinct is to fall back on communism. Gotcha.

no, I just don't know if it's worth my time to give you a serious response. you gotta give me something first so I know if you are or not.

To call yourself average is too generous. In a communist society, it requires a huge concentration of power where the ruling party is akin to a near dictatorship. And to keep a communist society going, you're basically giving up your freedom and be told what to do like a slave and work like a slave. You won't be sitting around to post on GameFAQs and play games all day. If you don't work to keep the cogs spinning, you may not wake up to see the morning.

But enough about slavery. How about you come up with a solution to paying everyone more in France. Where are you going to get the money from?

You have confirmed that it is not worth my time to come up with a serious response. thank you for playing.
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averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Because it's shit idea that goes against human nature.

it's not shit and it doesn't go against human nature

I challenge you. How would you fix France's problems? Time for some critical thinking.

that's a pretty fucking vague question, and you're asking me to use much more intellectual capacity than you have shown yourself to be capable of. why don't you tell me exactly what your problem is with communism, using some of that critical thinking, before making demands of me?

In other words, you have 0 answers to any problems and your first NEET instinct is to fall back on communism. Gotcha.

no, I just don't know if it's worth my time to give you a serious response. you gotta give me something first so I know if you are or not.

To call yourself average is too generous. In a communist society, it requires a huge concentration of power where the ruling party is akin to a near dictatorship. And to keep a communist society going, you're basically giving up your freedom and be told what to do like a slave and work like a slave. You won't be sitting around to post on GameFAQs and play games all day. If you don't work to keep the cogs spinning, you may not wake up to see the morning.

But enough about slavery. How about you come up with a solution to paying everyone more in France. Where are you going to get the money from?

You have confirmed that it is not worth my time to come up with a serious response. thank you for playing.

That's what I thought. You're good at complaining, but below average at everything else.
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averagejoel posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Because it's shit idea that goes against human nature.

it's not shit and it doesn't go against human nature

I challenge you. How would you fix France's problems? Time for some critical thinking.

that's a pretty fucking vague question, and you're asking me to use much more intellectual capacity than you have shown yourself to be capable of. why don't you tell me exactly what your problem is with communism, using some of that critical thinking, before making demands of me?

Communism is literally theft and theft is an immoral act. When you take something that someone earned and give it to someone that didn't earn it then that is theft and theft is wrong.
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Since we're on the topic of communism. Maybe it's time to learn some lessons from communism.

Lessons from a century of communism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/11/07/lessons-from-a-century-of-communism/
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MuayThai85 posted...

Communism is literally theft and theft is an immoral act. When you take something that someone earned and give it to someone that didn't earn it then that is theft and theft is wrong.

then you should replace "communism" in your post with "capitalism"
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averagejoel posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Communism is literally theft and theft is an immoral act. When you take something that someone earned and give it to someone that didn't earn it then that is theft and theft is wrong.

then you should replace "communism" in your post with "capitalism"

In a capitalist society if I come up with some revolutionary idea then I can reap the benefits of said idea (money, fame, etc). In a communist society, my idea is stolen by the party and I receive no benefits for it (if I'm lucky enough not to be killed on the spot).
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The socialism/communism system over there is at the end of its rope.

Its not sustainable to give everyone pensions and free healthcare.

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

Since we're on the topic of communism. Maybe it's time to learn some lessons from communism.

Lessons from a century of communism
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/11/07/lessons-from-a-century-of-communism/

that article is an opinion piece from a blog called "The Volokh Conspiracy" that is now published in Reason magazine, and it should not be taken seriously
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MuayThai85 posted...

averagejoel posted...

MuayThai85 posted...

Communism is literally theft and theft is an immoral act. When you take something that someone earned and give it to someone that didn't earn it then that is theft and theft is wrong.

then you should replace "communism" in your post with "capitalism"

In a capitalist society if I come up with some revolutionary idea then I can reap the benefits of said idea (money, fame, etc). In a communist society, my idea is stolen by the party and I receive no benefits for it (if I'm lucky enough not to be killed on the spot).

wow, an empty talking point pulled out of your ass. amazing
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