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MuayThai85 12/20/18 2:44:33 PM #51:	averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... Communism is literally theft and theft is an immoral act. When you take something that someone earned and give it to someone that didn't earn it then that is theft and theft is wrong. then you should replace "communism" in your post with "capitalism" In a capitalist society if I come up with some revolutionary idea then I can reap the benefits of said idea (money, fame, etc). In a communist society, my idea is stolen by the party and I receive no benefits for it (if I'm lucky enough not to be killed on the spot). wow, an empty talking point pulled out of your ass. amazing Prove me wrong then. Show me how communism doesn't require theft. And remember, redistribution of wealth is theft. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:914453713] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Communism is literally theft and theft is an immoral act. When you take something that someone earned and give it to someone that didn't earn it then that is theft and theft is wrong.</quote> then you should replace "communism" in your post with "capitalism"</quote> In a capitalist society if I come up with some revolutionary idea then I can reap the benefits of said idea (money, fame, etc). In a communist society, my idea is stolen by the party and I receive no benefits for it (if I'm lucky enough not to be killed on the spot).</quote> wow, an empty talking point pulled out of your ass. amazing</quote> Prove me wrong then. Show me how communism doesn't require theft. And remember, redistribution of wealth is theft.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/20/18 2:46:16 PM #52:	I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:914453801] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/20/18 2:46:58 PM #53:	Don't bother arguing with joel. At best you'll shut him down and he'll add you to his 200 person block list. At worst you'll run yourself in circles arguing with someone who chose to major in jazz trumpet and now spends his days arguing that communism is the right way to go because all his poor life decisions put him in a position where he can't afford nice things. It's a literal waste of your time, and nobody takes him seriously anyway. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:914453840] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>Don't bother arguing with joel. At best you'll shut him down and he'll add you to his 200 person block list. At worst you'll run yourself in circles arguing with someone who chose to major in jazz trumpet and now spends his days arguing that communism is the right way to go because all his poor life decisions put him in a position where he can't afford nice things. It's a literal waste of your time, and nobody takes him seriously anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 2:47:52 PM #54:	MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... Communism is literally theft and theft is an immoral act. When you take something that someone earned and give it to someone that didn't earn it then that is theft and theft is wrong. then you should replace "communism" in your post with "capitalism" In a capitalist society if I come up with some revolutionary idea then I can reap the benefits of said idea (money, fame, etc). In a communist society, my idea is stolen by the party and I receive no benefits for it (if I'm lucky enough not to be killed on the spot). wow, an empty talking point pulled out of your ass. amazing Prove me wrong then. Show me how communism doesn't require theft. And remember, redistribution of wealth is theft. you're the one who made the claim in the first place. Burden of Proof is on you --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914453887] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Communism is literally theft and theft is an immoral act. When you take something that someone earned and give it to someone that didn't earn it then that is theft and theft is wrong.</quote> then you should replace "communism" in your post with "capitalism"</quote> In a capitalist society if I come up with some revolutionary idea then I can reap the benefits of said idea (money, fame, etc). In a communist society, my idea is stolen by the party and I receive no benefits for it (if I'm lucky enough not to be killed on the spot).</quote> wow, an empty talking point pulled out of your ass. amazing</quote> Prove me wrong then. Show me how communism doesn't require theft. And remember, redistribution of wealth is theft.</quote> you're the one who made the claim in the first place. Burden of Proof is on you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 2:49:28 PM #55:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society. are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914453955] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society.</quote> are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 12/20/18 2:50:21 PM #56:	I wonder when the US will have a strike like this --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:914454006] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>I wonder when the US will have a strike like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 12/20/18 2:51:03 PM #57:	averagejoel posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society. are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism? Name a capitalist society that had 45 million people starve to death in a relatively short period? It's 4am and I should be in bed but I'll wait. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:914454036] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society.</quote> are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism?</quote> Name a capitalist society that had 45 million people starve to death in a relatively short period? It's 4am and I should be in bed but I'll wait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/20/18 2:53:51 PM #58:	averagejoel posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society. are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism? Capitalism saved people from starvation. Communism causes MASS starvation. Even if there are some people starving under capitalism, it's a tiny percentage. 99% of the people starve under communism with the exception of those in power. Only in capitalist societies can poor people become fat and obese. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:914454162] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society.</quote> are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism?</quote> Capitalism saved people from starvation. Communism causes MASS starvation. Even if there are some people starving under capitalism, it's a tiny percentage. 99% of the people starve under communism with the exception of those in power. Only in capitalist societies can poor people become fat and obese.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 2:54:09 PM #59:	MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society. are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism? Name a capitalist society that had 45 million people starve to death in a relatively short period? It's 4am and I should be in bed but I'll wait. name another country that has a population comparable to China and I'll get back to you --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914454174] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society.</quote> are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism?</quote> Name a capitalist society that had 45 million people starve to death in a relatively short period? It's 4am and I should be in bed but I'll wait.</quote> name another country that has a population comparable to China and I'll get back to you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 12/20/18 2:54:57 PM #60:	I always get a good chuckle out of conservatives who dont realize these guys are literal communists. --- https://i.imgtc.com/LCLKlZX.gif Life Fiber Kamui SENKETSU! <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:914454217] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>I always get a good chuckle out of conservatives who dont realize these guys are literal communists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 12/20/18 2:56:05 PM #61:	averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society. are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism? Name a capitalist society that had 45 million people starve to death in a relatively short period? It's 4am and I should be in bed but I'll wait. name another country that has a population comparable to China and I'll get back to you India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:914454265] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>I have relatives that lived in Communist regimes. You won't some of the stories they told me. Under communist rule, everyone was starving. You get x amount of food per meal, no seconds and if you're still hungry after that, you're gonna have to deal with it. One relative was so desperate for food that he went into a field of green peppers and started eating as much as he could. He almost died from it. He told me he was sick for weeks and he's lucky to be alive. And here we are, modern day leftists who has no clue about the consequences of communism pushing for it because they think it would lead to this magical utopia where everyone is taken cared of. No, it's death and the destruction of society.</quote> are you suggesting that people aren't starving under capitalism?</quote> Name a capitalist society that had 45 million people starve to death in a relatively short period? It's 4am and I should be in bed but I'll wait.</quote> name another country that has a population comparable to China and I'll get back to you</quote> India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 12/20/18 2:58:53 PM #62:	Ryuko_Chan posted... I always get a good chuckle out of conservatives who dont realize these guys are literal communists. This. They hear that it was originally about the gas tax, against Macron, and vaguely has something to do with migrants and they immediately think it's a pro right wing thing, ignoring the fact that they are demanding higher wages, higher taxes on the wealthy, and allowing migrants to stay and enact policies to integrate them more while addressing what caused the issues to begin with(IE, blowing apart the ME). It's wacky to see so many pro Trump people supporting these people. darkjedilink posted... Why does TC support protests for lower taxes and nationalism? Like DJL here. Do you even have the slightest clue what the demands from the protesters are or are you just regurgitating 4chan talking points? Do I need to dunk on you again or will you do your own Google search this time? --- https://youtu.be/zkNlmYJyFDo?t=80 "Like all fairy tales, Adam. There has to be a Hero, and there has to be a Villain." <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:914454391] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote>I always get a good chuckle out of conservatives who dont realize these guys are literal communists.</quote> This. They hear that it was originally about the gas tax, against Macron, and vaguely has something to do with migrants and they immediately think it's a pro right wing thing, ignoring the fact that they are demanding higher wages, higher taxes on the wealthy, and allowing migrants to stay and enact policies to integrate them more while addressing what caused the issues to begin with(IE, blowing apart the ME). It's wacky to see so many pro Trump people supporting these people. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Why does TC support protests for lower taxes and nationalism?</quote> Like DJL here. Do you even have the slightest clue what the demands from the protesters are or are you just regurgitating 4chan talking points? Do I need to dunk on you again or will you do your own Google search this time?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 3:00:32 PM #63:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... Capitalism saved people from starvation. False. Development saves people from starvation Communism causes MASS starvation. also false. It is an ideology and an economic system. Material conditions which are independent of ideology and economic system cause starvation Even if there are some people starving under capitalism, it's a tiny percentage. 99% of the people starve under communism with the exception of those in power. I'm gonna need a source on both of these claims Only in capitalist societies can poor people become fat and obese. people can be fat and still be malnourished, so I'm not sure what you're getting on about here --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914454490] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism saved people from starvation.</quote> False. Development saves people from starvation <quote>Communism causes MASS starvation.</quote> also false. It is an ideology and an economic system. Material conditions which are independent of ideology and economic system cause starvation <quote>Even if there are some people starving under capitalism, it's a tiny percentage. 99% of the people starve under communism with the exception of those in power.</quote> I'm gonna need a source on both of these claims <quote>Only in capitalist societies can poor people become fat and obese.</quote> people can be fat and still be malnourished, so I'm not sure what you're getting on about here</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/20/18 3:04:36 PM #64:	averagejoel posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... Capitalism saved people from starvation. False. Development saves people from starvation Communism causes MASS starvation. also false. It is an ideology and an economic system. Material conditions which are independent of ideology and economic system cause starvation Even if there are some people starving under capitalism, it's a tiny percentage. 99% of the people starve under communism with the exception of those in power. I'm gonna need a source on both of these claims Only in capitalist societies can poor people become fat and obese. people can be fat and still be malnourished, so I'm not sure what you're getting on about here Go read the link I posted earlier. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:914454706] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism saved people from starvation.</quote> False. Development saves people from starvation <quote>Communism causes MASS starvation.</quote> also false. It is an ideology and an economic system. Material conditions which are independent of ideology and economic system cause starvation <quote>Even if there are some people starving under capitalism, it's a tiny percentage. 99% of the people starve under communism with the exception of those in power.</quote> I'm gonna need a source on both of these claims <quote>Only in capitalist societies can poor people become fat and obese.</quote> people can be fat and still be malnourished, so I'm not sure what you're getting on about here</quote> Go read the link I posted earlier.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/20/18 3:07:31 PM #65:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... I always get a good chuckle out of conservatives who dont realize these guys are literal communists. This. They hear that it was originally about the gas tax, against Macron, and vaguely has something to do with migrants and they immediately think it's a pro right wing thing, ignoring the fact that they are demanding higher wages, higher taxes on the wealthy, and allowing migrants to stay and enact policies to integrate them more while addressing what caused the issues to begin with(IE, blowing apart the ME). It's wacky to see so many pro Trump people supporting these people. darkjedilink posted... Why does TC support protests for lower taxes and nationalism? Like DJL here. Do you even have the slightest clue what the demands from the protesters are or are you just regurgitating 4chan talking points? Do I need to dunk on you again or will you do your own Google search this time? Development was brought on by capitalism, Mr. Baby murdering is Acceptable. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:914454842] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote>I always get a good chuckle out of conservatives who dont realize these guys are literal communists.</quote> This. They hear that it was originally about the gas tax, against Macron, and vaguely has something to do with migrants and they immediately think it's a pro right wing thing, ignoring the fact that they are demanding higher wages, higher taxes on the wealthy, and allowing migrants to stay and enact policies to integrate them more while addressing what caused the issues to begin with(IE, blowing apart the ME). It's wacky to see so many pro Trump people supporting these people. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Why does TC support protests for lower taxes and nationalism?</quote> Like DJL here. Do you even have the slightest clue what the demands from the protesters are or are you just regurgitating 4chan talking points? Do I need to dunk on you again or will you do your own Google search this time?</quote> Development was brought on by capitalism, Mr. Baby murdering is Acceptable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 12/20/18 3:10:28 PM #66:	darkjedilink posted... Development was brought on by capitalism, Mr. Baby murdering is Acceptable. What on Earth do you think you're trying to say here? --- https://youtu.be/zkNlmYJyFDo?t=80 "Like all fairy tales, Adam. There has to be a Hero, and there has to be a Villain." <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:914454988] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Development was brought on by capitalism, Mr. Baby murdering is Acceptable. </quote> What on Earth do you think you're trying to say here?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 3:14:54 PM #67:	MuayThai85 posted... India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation. jesus christ dude read a book or something --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914455213] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation.</quote> jesus christ dude read a book or something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 3:16:12 PM #68:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... Go read the link I posted earlier. the link from the blog called Volokh Conspiracy that is now being published in a right-wing libertarian magazine? no, I will not read that --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914455273] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote> Go read the link I posted earlier.</quote> the link from the blog called Volokh Conspiracy that is now being published in a right-wing libertarian magazine? no, I will not read that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 3:16:54 PM #69:	The Great Muta 22 posted... darkjedilink posted... Development was brought on by capitalism, Mr. Baby murdering is Acceptable. What on Earth do you think you're trying to say here? he seems to be trying to imply that there was no development pre-capitalism --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914455299] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Development was brought on by capitalism, Mr. Baby murdering is Acceptable. </quote> What on Earth do you think you're trying to say here?</quote> he seems to be trying to imply that there was no development pre-capitalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/20/18 3:18:36 PM #70:	No matter your political opinion, you can't have a democratically elected president resign because some protesters rioted. That's a terrifying precedent that turns "Democracy" into "which lunatics are the most violently dangerous." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:914455374] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>No matter your political opinion, you can't have a democratically elected president resign because some protesters rioted. That's a terrifying precedent that turns "Democracy" into "which lunatics are the most violently dangerous."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryuko_Chan 12/20/18 3:18:55 PM #71:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Ryuko_Chan posted... I always get a good chuckle out of conservatives who dont realize these guys are literal communists. This. They hear that it was originally about the gas tax, against Macron, and vaguely has something to do with migrants and they immediately think it's a pro right wing thing, ignoring the fact that they are demanding higher wages, higher taxes on the wealthy, and allowing migrants to stay and enact policies to integrate them more while addressing what caused the issues to begin with(IE, blowing apart the ME). It's wacky to see so many pro Trump people supporting these people. darkjedilink posted... Why does TC support protests for lower taxes and nationalism? Like DJL here. Do you even have the slightest clue what the demands from the protesters are or are you just regurgitating 4chan talking points? Do I need to dunk on you again or will you do your own Google search this time? yeah its great --- https://i.imgtc.com/LCLKlZX.gif Life Fiber Kamui SENKETSU! <cite>Ryuko_Chan posted [p:914455387] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ryuko_Chan posted...</cite> <quote>I always get a good chuckle out of conservatives who dont realize these guys are literal communists.</quote> This. They hear that it was originally about the gas tax, against Macron, and vaguely has something to do with migrants and they immediately think it's a pro right wing thing, ignoring the fact that they are demanding higher wages, higher taxes on the wealthy, and allowing migrants to stay and enact policies to integrate them more while addressing what caused the issues to begin with(IE, blowing apart the ME). It's wacky to see so many pro Trump people supporting these people. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Why does TC support protests for lower taxes and nationalism?</quote> Like DJL here. Do you even have the slightest clue what the demands from the protesters are or are you just regurgitating 4chan talking points? Do I need to dunk on you again or will you do your own Google search this time?</quote> yeah its great</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EdgeMaster 12/20/18 3:20:53 PM #72:	averagejoel posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... Capitalism saved people from starvation. False. Development saves people from starvation Communism causes MASS starvation. also false. It is an ideology and an economic system. Material conditions which are independent of ideology and economic system cause starvation Even if there are some people starving under capitalism, it's a tiny percentage. 99% of the people starve under communism with the exception of those in power. I'm gonna need a source on both of these claims Only in capitalist societies can poor people become fat and obese. people can be fat and still be malnourished, so I'm not sure what you're getting on about here Jesus fucking wept bro. You attempt such feeble sidesteps and have a Nuh uh, prove it smugness about your posts. Lol needing a source for people starving. Id say just read about Maoist China or the USSR but I know youd claim its misrepresented or just not true. Id say talk to someone from USSR or Cuba depending on where you live, youd prob think theyre embellishing things but regardless if everything was just jolly Cubans wouldnt get on a fucking raft to a different country. Ive had the luxury of talking to such people, not trying to spoil anything for you but ~~its a shithole and life sucks really fucking bad~~ --- If you don't have anything nice to say, say it on the internet. ****poster Extraordinaire <cite>EdgeMaster posted [p:914455498] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote>Capitalism saved people from starvation.</quote> False. Development saves people from starvation <quote>Communism causes MASS starvation.</quote> also false. It is an ideology and an economic system. Material conditions which are independent of ideology and economic system cause starvation <quote>Even if there are some people starving under capitalism, it's a tiny percentage. 99% of the people starve under communism with the exception of those in power.</quote> I'm gonna need a source on both of these claims <quote>Only in capitalist societies can poor people become fat and obese.</quote> people can be fat and still be malnourished, so I'm not sure what you're getting on about here</quote> Jesus fucking wept bro. You attempt such feeble sidesteps and have a Nuh uh, prove it smugness about your posts. Lol needing a source for people starving. Id say just read about Maoist China or the USSR but I know youd claim its misrepresented or just not true. Id say talk to someone from USSR or Cuba depending on where you live, youd prob think theyre embellishing things but regardless if everything was just jolly Cubans wouldnt get on a fucking raft to a different country. Ive had the luxury of talking to such people, not trying to spoil anything for you but its a shithole and life sucks really fucking bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
glitteringfairy 12/20/18 3:24:37 PM #73:	Should have elected Le Pen --- "How come you can believe in God but not Bigfoot?" V-E-G-Y https://imgur.com/AqR3aeX https://imgur.com/vvuUXpp https://imgur.com/r9xK2NR <cite>glitteringfairy posted [p:914455684] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>Should have elected Le Pen</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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The Great Muta 22 12/20/18 3:40:38 PM #75:	glitteringfairy posted... Should have elected Le Pen The protest would have began earlier had they --- https://youtu.be/zkNlmYJyFDo?t=80 "Like all fairy tales, Adam. There has to be a Hero, and there has to be a Villain." <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:914456528] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>glitteringfairy posted...</cite> <quote>Should have elected Le Pen</quote> The protest would have began earlier had they</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Questionmarktarius 12/20/18 7:53:07 PM #77:	How can communism be theft when the state owns everything? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:914468883] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>How can communism be theft when the state owns everything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 12/20/18 8:44:50 PM #78:	Questionmarktarius posted... How can communism be theft when the state owns everything, including you? How can communism be theft if the workers are directly seeing the fruits of their labor? Also, how can communism be decentralized while being centrally planned? How can communism be a workers revolution if the state is heavily involved? How can communism be all the things it's not supposed to be and still be communism? I haven't been paying attention to the arguments in this topic, though I found it laughable that communism got brought up in this mess. The only theft that would be taking place under socialism or communism is from those who have conglomerated their power and the means of production. The thing about that is that they are the ones who were doing the theft originally. And it's no surprise to me that the ones who are vehemently opposed to communism, and likely socialism, are the least informed about what they speak of. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:914471390] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>How can communism be theft when the state owns everything, including you?</quote> How can communism be theft if the workers are directly seeing the fruits of their labor? Also, how can communism be decentralized while being centrally planned? How can communism be a workers revolution if the state is heavily involved? How can communism be all the things it's not supposed to be and still be communism? I haven't been paying attention to the arguments in this topic, though I found it laughable that communism got brought up in this mess. The only theft that would be taking place under socialism or communism is from those who have conglomerated their power and the means of production. The thing about that is that they are the ones who were doing the theft originally. And it's no surprise to me that the ones who are vehemently opposed to communism, and likely socialism, are the least informed about what they speak of.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/20/18 9:01:58 PM #79:	What the hell, Kineth? What's with the logic and reason? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:914472215] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>What the hell, Kineth? What's with the logic and reason?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A Novel Idea 12/20/18 9:01:58 PM #80:	I have very little regard for the police, a class of people who serve to exercise the state's monopoly on violence and generally act to protect the interests of the state. I don't see much revolutionary potential in the police as I do the military, for example. I think this is a good development though. What do you think are the longer-term implications of this @averagejoel? --- "God I really want you to keep posting." "People don't matter to you. Human relationships don't matter to you."~StarryKnights <cite>A Novel Idea posted [p:914472216] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>I have very little regard for the police, a class of people who serve to exercise the state's monopoly on violence and generally act to protect the interests of the state. I don't see much revolutionary potential in the police as I do the military, for example. I think this is a good development though. What do you think are the longer-term implications of this @averagejoel?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 12/20/18 9:05:45 PM #81:	Questionmarktarius posted... What the hell, Kineth? What's with the logic and reason? lol.. was there a dearth of that in this topic? --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:914472412] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>What the hell, Kineth? What's with the logic and reason?</quote> lol.. was there a dearth of that in this topic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/20/18 9:07:32 PM #82:	Kineth posted... Questionmarktarius posted... What the hell, Kineth? What's with the logic and reason? lol.. was there a dearth of that in this topic? It's CE, so always. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:914472508] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>What the hell, Kineth? What's with the logic and reason?</quote> lol.. was there a dearth of that in this topic?</quote> It's CE, so always.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 9:19:39 PM #83:	A Novel Idea posted... I have very little regard for the police, a class of people who serve to exercise the state's monopoly on violence and generally act to protect the interests of the state. I don't see much revolutionary potential in the police as I do the military, for example. I think this is a good development though. What do you think are the longer-term implications of this averagejoel? regardless of revolutionary potential within the police (I'm with you in that I don't see much, if any), they're the ones tasked with maintaining the status quo. For all intents and purposes, they're the last line of defense for the ruling class. If they join the protestors (or even stop working), it's pretty much over. That being said, I'm skeptical of any cops that seem to be supporting the class interests of the workers, as should the protestors themselves. I don't know how much co-ordination within the group is actually required for things like that, or how much it could be disrupted by a plant (or a group of plants) but it's absolutely a possibility. I'll be keeping a close eye on these protests in the coming weeks though --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914473104] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>A Novel Idea posted...</cite> <quote>I have very little regard for the police, a class of people who serve to exercise the state's monopoly on violence and generally act to protect the interests of the state. I don't see much revolutionary potential in the police as I do the military, for example. I think this is a good development though. What do you think are the longer-term implications of this averagejoel?</quote> regardless of revolutionary potential within the police (I'm with you in that I don't see much, if any), they're the ones tasked with maintaining the status quo. For all intents and purposes, they're the last line of defense for the ruling class. If they join the protestors (or even stop working), it's pretty much over. That being said, I'm skeptical of any cops that seem to be supporting the class interests of the workers, as should the protestors themselves. I don't know how much co-ordination within the group is actually required for things like that, or how much it could be disrupted by a plant (or a group of plants) but it's absolutely a possibility. I'll be keeping a close eye on these protests in the coming weeks though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A Novel Idea 12/20/18 9:43:56 PM #84:	That's a good way of looking at it. I was thinking too much in terms of: okay, so the police are going to join the protests, are they going to be regarded at the same level as the other workers, are they going to try to co-opt or undermine it? If there was a yellow vest movement in my area (NYC) and the police announced they would join, my instinct would be to boo and vote against letting them in and I wonder if that would be the reaction of other leftists organizing here. But you're right in that one of the pillars maintaining the status quo will be disrupted if the police join the protests. That's super important. --- "God I really want you to keep posting." "People don't matter to you. Human relationships don't matter to you."~StarryKnights <cite>A Novel Idea posted [p:914474320] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>That's a good way of looking at it. I was thinking too much in terms of: okay, so the police are going to join the protests, are they going to be regarded at the same level as the other workers, are they going to try to co-opt or undermine it? If there was a yellow vest movement in my area (NYC) and the police announced they would join, my instinct would be to boo and vote against letting them in and I wonder if that would be the reaction of other leftists organizing here. But you're right in that one of the pillars maintaining the status quo will be disrupted if the police join the protests. That's super important.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 12/20/18 9:46:36 PM #85:	averagejoel posted... That being said, I'm skeptical of any cops that seem to be supporting the class interests of the workers, as should the protestors themselves. Understandable, but the police have something to gain as well considering their wages also need a raise. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:914474442] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>That being said, I'm skeptical of any cops that seem to be supporting the class interests of the workers, as should the protestors themselves.</quote> Understandable, but the police have something to gain as well considering their wages also need a raise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 9:47:44 PM #86:	A Novel Idea posted... That's a good way of looking at it. I was thinking too much in terms of: okay, so the police are going to join the protests, are they going to be regarded at the same level as the other workers, are they going to try to co-opt or undermine it? If there was a yellow vest movement in my area (NYC) and the police announced they would join, my instinct would be to boo and vote against letting them in and I wonder if that would be the reaction of other leftists organizing here. But you're right in that one of the pillars maintaining the status quo will be disrupted if the police join the protests. That's super important. If that were to happen, I would probably talk to the cops directly and encourage them to stay at home, given the potential they have to sow distrust and fear among the protestors. It would effectively serve the same purpose with none of the drawbacks --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914474503] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>A Novel Idea posted...</cite> <quote>That's a good way of looking at it. I was thinking too much in terms of: okay, so the police are going to join the protests, are they going to be regarded at the same level as the other workers, are they going to try to co-opt or undermine it? If there was a yellow vest movement in my area (NYC) and the police announced they would join, my instinct would be to boo and vote against letting them in and I wonder if that would be the reaction of other leftists organizing here. But you're right in that one of the pillars maintaining the status quo will be disrupted if the police join the protests. That's super important.</quote> If that were to happen, I would probably talk to the cops directly and encourage them to stay at home, given the potential they have to sow distrust and fear among the protestors. It would effectively serve the same purpose with none of the drawbacks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/20/18 9:52:59 PM #87:	Kineth posted... averagejoel posted... That being said, I'm skeptical of any cops that seem to be supporting the class interests of the workers, as should the protestors themselves. Understandable, but the police have something to gain as well considering their wages also need a raise. Looks like they got it. https://www.kentucky.com/news/business/article223355085.html <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:914474760] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>That being said, I'm skeptical of any cops that seem to be supporting the class interests of the workers, as should the protestors themselves.</quote> Understandable, but the police have something to gain as well considering their wages also need a raise.</quote> Looks like they got it. https://www.kentucky.com/news/business/article223355085.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 9:53:16 PM #88:	Kineth posted... averagejoel posted... That being said, I'm skeptical of any cops that seem to be supporting the class interests of the workers, as should the protestors themselves. Understandable, but the police have something to gain as well considering their wages also need a raise. that's true I suppose but any reason for protestors to distrust each other makes the movement weaker --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914474773] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>That being said, I'm skeptical of any cops that seem to be supporting the class interests of the workers, as should the protestors themselves.</quote> Understandable, but the police have something to gain as well considering their wages also need a raise.</quote> that's true I suppose but any reason for protestors to distrust each other makes the movement weaker</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 12/20/18 11:45:46 PM #89:	averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation. jesus christ dude read a book or something Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. Kineth posted... Questionmarktarius posted... How can communism be theft when the state owns everything, including you? How can communism be theft if the workers are directly seeing the fruits of their labor? Also, how can communism be decentralized while being centrally planned? How can communism be a workers revolution if the state is heavily involved? How can communism be all the things it's not supposed to be and still be communism? I haven't been paying attention to the arguments in this topic, though I found it laughable that communism got brought up in this mess. The only theft that would be taking place under socialism or communism is from those who have conglomerated their power and the means of production. The thing about that is that they are the ones who were doing the theft originally. And it's no surprise to me that the ones who are vehemently opposed to communism, and likely socialism, are the least informed about what they speak of. Not necessarily true. All those landowners who were executed during the great leap forward so that the government can take their land hadn't stole it. Most purchased it legally. My uncle for example worked a blue collar job for over 20 years while saving every penny he could so that he could buy his own farm. His farm is now successful and he employs over 50 people. Under communism his land would be stolen from him (land he legally purchased) and he'd either be forced to continue working it a with no benefit to himself or he'd be killed if he refuses to give it up. Seriously, anyone who is pro-communism needs their head evaluated by a professional. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:914479324] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation.</quote> jesus christ dude read a book or something</quote> Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. <cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>How can communism be theft when the state owns everything, including you?</quote> How can communism be theft if the workers are directly seeing the fruits of their labor? Also, how can communism be decentralized while being centrally planned? How can communism be a workers revolution if the state is heavily involved? How can communism be all the things it's not supposed to be and still be communism? I haven't been paying attention to the arguments in this topic, though I found it laughable that communism got brought up in this mess. The only theft that would be taking place under socialism or communism is from those who have conglomerated their power and the means of production. The thing about that is that they are the ones who were doing the theft originally. And it's no surprise to me that the ones who are vehemently opposed to communism, and likely socialism, are the least informed about what they speak of.</quote> Not necessarily true. All those landowners who were executed during the great leap forward so that the government can take their land hadn't stole it. Most purchased it legally. My uncle for example worked a blue collar job for over 20 years while saving every penny he could so that he could buy his own farm. His farm is now successful and he employs over 50 people. Under communism his land would be stolen from him (land he legally purchased) and he'd either be forced to continue working it a with no benefit to himself or he'd be killed if he refuses to give it up. Seriously, anyone who is pro-communism needs their head evaluated by a professional.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/20/18 11:48:16 PM #90:	MuayThai85 posted... Seriously, anyone who is pro-communism needs their head evaluated by a professional. It's fine if a society somehow starts that way, but I suspect there's a practical limit of somewhere around thirty individuals before tyranny pretty much has to be involved. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:914479413] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Seriously, anyone who is pro-communism needs their head evaluated by a professional.</quote> It's fine if a society somehow starts that way, but I suspect there's a practical limit of somewhere around thirty individuals before tyranny pretty much has to be involved.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jaghave 12/20/18 11:48:49 PM #91:	It always remarkable how the average French man has giant balls of steel while their elective officals are betas Hope the police join the protestor and remove the globalist pro EU government and elect a nationalist government --- Z370 K6 \| i7 8700 4.7ghz \| GeForce RTX 2080 Ti \| EVGA GS 750w \| 24GB DDR4 3300mhz Dual Active \| 4TB HDD \|1TB SSD https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/user/archive <cite>Jaghave posted [p:914479426] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote>It always remarkable how the average French man has giant balls of steel while their elective officals are betas Hope the police join the protestor and remove the globalist pro EU government and elect a nationalist government</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/20/18 11:54:53 PM #92:	MuayThai85 posted... Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. lol --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914479610] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes.</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 12/21/18 12:20:32 AM #93:	averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. lol Name one successful implementation of communism. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:914480528] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes.</quote> lol</quote> Name one successful implementation of communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/21/18 12:44:37 AM #94:	MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. lol Name one successful implementation of communism. He can't. He's going to sidestep your post and ask you to provide evidence that communism failed. And if you do, he'll just call it a conspiracy theory. That way, he can continue to live in his self-delusion. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:914481325] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes.</quote> lol</quote> Name one successful implementation of communism.</quote> He can't. He's going to sidestep your post and ask you to provide evidence that communism failed. And if you do, he'll just call it a conspiracy theory. That way, he can continue to live in his self-delusion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/21/18 12:51:17 AM #95:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. lol Name one successful implementation of communism. He can't. He's going to sidestep your post and ask you to provide evidence that communism failed. And if you do, he'll just call it a conspiracy theory. That way, he can continue to live in his self-delusion. damn you really think you have this down to a science don't you --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914481561] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes.</quote> lol</quote> Name one successful implementation of communism.</quote> He can't. He's going to sidestep your post and ask you to provide evidence that communism failed. And if you do, he'll just call it a conspiracy theory. That way, he can continue to live in his self-delusion.</quote> damn you really think you have this down to a science don't you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GreatEvilEmpire 12/21/18 12:54:57 AM #96:	averagejoel posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. lol Name one successful implementation of communism. He can't. He's going to sidestep your post and ask you to provide evidence that communism failed. And if you do, he'll just call it a conspiracy theory. That way, he can continue to live in his self-delusion. damn you really think you have this down to a science don't you You're just basic. --- Sig under construction! <cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted [p:914481682] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes.</quote> lol</quote> Name one successful implementation of communism.</quote> He can't. He's going to sidestep your post and ask you to provide evidence that communism failed. And if you do, he'll just call it a conspiracy theory. That way, he can continue to live in his self-delusion.</quote> damn you really think you have this down to a science don't you</quote> You're just basic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/21/18 12:58:33 AM #97:	GreatEvilEmpire posted... averagejoel posted... GreatEvilEmpire posted... MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. lol Name one successful implementation of communism. He can't. He's going to sidestep your post and ask you to provide evidence that communism failed. And if you do, he'll just call it a conspiracy theory. That way, he can continue to live in his self-delusion. damn you really think you have this down to a science don't you You're just basic. nah I just know you're not worth a proper response so instead I choose to have some fun playing with you and seeing how mad you can get. You've already resorted to calling me "basic" so that's so far so good --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:914481795] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GreatEvilEmpire posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes.</quote> lol</quote> Name one successful implementation of communism.</quote> He can't. He's going to sidestep your post and ask you to provide evidence that communism failed. And if you do, he'll just call it a conspiracy theory. That way, he can continue to live in his self-delusion.</quote> damn you really think you have this down to a science don't you</quote> You're just basic.</quote> nah I just know you're not worth a proper response so instead I choose to have some fun playing with you and seeing how mad you can get. You've already resorted to calling me "basic" so that's so far so good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 12/21/18 3:11:19 AM #98:	MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation. jesus christ dude read a book or something Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. Kineth posted... Questionmarktarius posted... How can communism be theft when the state owns everything, including you? How can communism be theft if the workers are directly seeing the fruits of their labor? Also, how can communism be decentralized while being centrally planned? How can communism be a workers revolution if the state is heavily involved? How can communism be all the things it's not supposed to be and still be communism? I haven't been paying attention to the arguments in this topic, though I found it laughable that communism got brought up in this mess. The only theft that would be taking place under socialism or communism is from those who have conglomerated their power and the means of production. The thing about that is that they are the ones who were doing the theft originally. And it's no surprise to me that the ones who are vehemently opposed to communism, and likely socialism, are the least informed about what they speak of. Not necessarily true. All those landowners who were executed during the great leap forward so that the government can take their land hadn't stole it. Most purchased it legally. Look, I'm talking about economic theory, not how people committed atrocities for their centrally planned governments and 5 year plans which all started out as promises of better things, but ended up instilling fascist economies through the power-hungry nature of the respective countries' ruling parties. Those economies were not doing well before the Soviets. It's just very easy to seize power when your people are hungry and have just been through war. Either way, it going bad once or twice doesn't mean it will go bad every single time or that that's how it's supposed to even happen... whatever. You're not teaching me new things with this history lesson is my point. I know about the atrocities committed and I think communism is a red herring, pun intended. We could have prevented Vietnam from becoming Communist and could have got a good footing in the Pacific Theater had we not been getting a healthy dose of that Red Scare from Joe McCarthy, but also if FDR hadn't have kept that secret operation hidden from Truman.... Like.. I get it. Authoritarian states are horrible and so are authoritarian economies. What part of the Manifesto, LaSallean economics or Das Kapital is concerned with such ideas of central planning and overarching governance? Like, the best criticism you can have for Communism is that it is too disorganized and needs to compromise itself and coexist with another economic system, much in the same way that capitalism and socialism already do. But you guys spend time talking about war history in an economics discussion... and act like it's the first fucking time any of us have heard about world history. I mean, fuck dude. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:914485408] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation.</quote> jesus christ dude read a book or something</quote> Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. <cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>How can communism be theft when the state owns everything, including you?</quote> How can communism be theft if the workers are directly seeing the fruits of their labor? Also, how can communism be decentralized while being centrally planned? How can communism be a workers revolution if the state is heavily involved? How can communism be all the things it's not supposed to be and still be communism? I haven't been paying attention to the arguments in this topic, though I found it laughable that communism got brought up in this mess. The only theft that would be taking place under socialism or communism is from those who have conglomerated their power and the means of production. The thing about that is that they are the ones who were doing the theft originally. And it's no surprise to me that the ones who are vehemently opposed to communism, and likely socialism, are the least informed about what they speak of.</quote> Not necessarily true. All those landowners who were executed during the great leap forward so that the government can take their land hadn't stole it. Most purchased it legally. </quote> Look, I'm talking about economic theory, not how people committed atrocities for their centrally planned governments and 5 year plans which all started out as promises of better things, but ended up instilling fascist economies through the power-hungry nature of the respective countries' ruling parties. Those economies were not doing well before the Soviets. It's just very easy to seize power when your people are hungry and have just been through war. Either way, it going bad once or twice doesn't mean it will go bad every single time or that that's how it's supposed to even happen... whatever. You're not teaching me new things with this history lesson is my point. I know about the atrocities committed and I think communism is a red herring, pun intended. We could have prevented Vietnam from becoming Communist and could have got a good footing in the Pacific Theater had we not been getting a healthy dose of that Red Scare from Joe McCarthy, but also if FDR hadn't have kept that secret operation hidden from Truman.... Like.. I get it. Authoritarian states are horrible and so are authoritarian economies. What part of the Manifesto, LaSallean economics or Das Kapital is concerned with such ideas of central planning and overarching governance? Like, the best criticism you can have for Communism is that it is too disorganized and needs to compromise itself and coexist with another economic system, much in the same way that capitalism and socialism already do. But you guys spend time talking about war history in an economics discussion... and act like it's the first fucking time any of us have heard about world history. I mean, fuck dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/21/18 3:23:21 AM #99:	Kineth posted... MuayThai85 posted... averagejoel posted... MuayThai85 posted... India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation. jesus christ dude read a book or something Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. Kineth posted... Questionmarktarius posted... How can communism be theft when the state owns everything, including you? How can communism be theft if the workers are directly seeing the fruits of their labor? Also, how can communism be decentralized while being centrally planned? How can communism be a workers revolution if the state is heavily involved? How can communism be all the things it's not supposed to be and still be communism? I haven't been paying attention to the arguments in this topic, though I found it laughable that communism got brought up in this mess. The only theft that would be taking place under socialism or communism is from those who have conglomerated their power and the means of production. The thing about that is that they are the ones who were doing the theft originally. And it's no surprise to me that the ones who are vehemently opposed to communism, and likely socialism, are the least informed about what they speak of. Not necessarily true. All those landowners who were executed during the great leap forward so that the government can take their land hadn't stole it. Most purchased it legally. Look, I'm talking about economic theory, not how people committed atrocities for their centrally planned governments and 5 year plans which all started out as promises of better things, but ended up instilling fascist economies through the power-hungry nature of the respective countries' ruling parties. Those economies were not doing well before the Soviets. It's just very easy to seize power when your people are hungry and have just been through war. Either way, it going bad once or twice doesn't mean it will go bad every single time or that that's how it's supposed to even happen... whatever. You're not teaching me new things with this history lesson is my point. I know about the atrocities committed and I think communism is a red herring, pun intended. We could have prevented Vietnam from becoming Communist and could have got a good footing in the Pacific Theater had we not been getting a healthy dose of that Red Scare from Joe McCarthy, but also if FDR hadn't have kept that secret operation hidden from Truman.... Like.. I get it. Authoritarian states are horrible and so are authoritarian economies. What part of the Manifesto, LaSallean economics or Das Kapital is concerned with such ideas of central planning and overarching governance? Like, the best criticism you can have for Communism is that it is too disorganized and needs to compromise itself and coexist with another economic system, much in the same way that capitalism and socialism already do. But you guys spend time talking about war history in an economics discussion... and act like it's the first fucking time any of us have heard about world history. I mean, fuck dude. You're conflating way too many things, which is why it's confusing. Socialism and capitalism can never coexist because one is the negation of the other. Nation states tend to always be authoritarian. It's just in their nature to do if they want any sort of life. To me, it's why the phrase "liberal democracy" makes no sense. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:914485658] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote>India. Worse off economically than China d during the same period. Didn't see millions of people die from starvation.</quote> jesus christ dude read a book or something</quote> Maybe you should read a history book on the successes of communism. Oh wait, you can't, there aren't any successes. <cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>How can communism be theft when the state owns everything, including you?</quote> How can communism be theft if the workers are directly seeing the fruits of their labor? Also, how can communism be decentralized while being centrally planned? How can communism be a workers revolution if the state is heavily involved? How can communism be all the things it's not supposed to be and still be communism? I haven't been paying attention to the arguments in this topic, though I found it laughable that communism got brought up in this mess. The only theft that would be taking place under socialism or communism is from those who have conglomerated their power and the means of production. The thing about that is that they are the ones who were doing the theft originally. And it's no surprise to me that the ones who are vehemently opposed to communism, and likely socialism, are the least informed about what they speak of.</quote> Not necessarily true. All those landowners who were executed during the great leap forward so that the government can take their land hadn't stole it. Most purchased it legally. </quote> Look, I'm talking about economic theory, not how people committed atrocities for their centrally planned governments and 5 year plans which all started out as promises of better things, but ended up instilling fascist economies through the power-hungry nature of the respective countries' ruling parties. Those economies were not doing well before the Soviets. It's just very easy to seize power when your people are hungry and have just been through war. Either way, it going bad once or twice doesn't mean it will go bad every single time or that that's how it's supposed to even happen... whatever. You're not teaching me new things with this history lesson is my point. I know about the atrocities committed and I think communism is a red herring, pun intended. We could have prevented Vietnam from becoming Communist and could have got a good footing in the Pacific Theater had we not been getting a healthy dose of that Red Scare from Joe McCarthy, but also if FDR hadn't have kept that secret operation hidden from Truman.... Like.. I get it. Authoritarian states are horrible and so are authoritarian economies. What part of the Manifesto, LaSallean economics or Das Kapital is concerned with such ideas of central planning and overarching governance? Like, the best criticism you can have for Communism is that it is too disorganized and needs to compromise itself and coexist with another economic system, much in the same way that capitalism and socialism already do. But you guys spend time talking about war history in an economics discussion... and act like it's the first fucking time any of us have heard about world history. I mean, fuck dude.</quote> You're conflating way too many things, which is why it's confusing. Socialism and capitalism can never coexist because one is the negation of the other. Nation states tend to always be authoritarian. It's just in their nature to do if they want any sort of life. To me, it's why the phrase "liberal democracy" makes no sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 12/21/18 3:33:40 AM #100:	Anti-245 posted... Kineth posted... Look, I'm talking about economic theory, not how people committed atrocities for their centrally planned governments and 5 year plans which all started out as promises of better things, but ended up instilling fascist economies through the power-hungry nature of the respective countries' ruling parties. Those economies were not doing well before the Soviets. It's just very easy to seize power when your people are hungry and have just been through war. Either way, it going bad once or twice doesn't mean it will go bad every single time or that that's how it's supposed to even happen... whatever. You're not teaching me new things with this history lesson is my point. I know about the atrocities committed and I think communism is a red herring, pun intended. We could have prevented Vietnam from becoming Communist and could have got a good footing in the Pacific Theater had we not been getting a healthy dose of that Red Scare from Joe McCarthy, but also if FDR hadn't have kept that secret operation hidden from Truman.... Like.. I get it. Authoritarian states are horrible and so are authoritarian economies. What part of the Manifesto, LaSallean economics or Das Kapital is concerned with such ideas of central planning and overarching governance? Like, the best criticism you can have for Communism is that it is too disorganized and needs to compromise itself and coexist with another economic system, much in the same way that capitalism and socialism already do. But you guys spend time talking about war history in an economics discussion... and act like it's the first fucking time any of us have heard about world history. I mean, fuck dude. You're conflating way too many things, which is why it's confusing. Socialism and capitalism can never coexist because one is the negation of the other. Nation states tend to always be authoritarian. It's just in their nature to do if they want any sort of life. To me, it's why the phrase "liberal democracy" makes no sense. You're wrong and right at the same time. Capitalism can never exist if we adhere to the notion that any regulations on an economy hinders the free market. By that merit, people need to give up the idea that they've ever seen a capitalist economy in their life. This is hyperbole, don't worry. Socialism as it is seems to be poorly understood is using a part of the collected generated wealth/income in the country to place market floors into the S/D curve and so forth and are only issues when they start becoming about unessential goods. I consider health care and education to be essential goods, much in the same way that I consider clean water and running electricity and well kept roads to be things. None of these ideas are somehow foreign to "capitalism", as they shouldn't be. You're right that they can't coexist under those names, but you're wrong about them being unable to coexist. Mixed economies are a thing. These notions of pure economies are laughable. Like the US is some laissez-faire masterpiece. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:914485891] in French Pol... [t:77319480]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>Look, I'm talking about economic theory, not how people committed atrocities for their centrally planned governments and 5 year plans which all started out as promises of better things, but ended up instilling fascist economies through the power-hungry nature of the respective countries' ruling parties. Those economies were not doing well before the Soviets. It's just very easy to seize power when your people are hungry and have just been through war. Either way, it going bad once or twice doesn't mean it will go bad every single time or that that's how it's supposed to even happen... whatever. You're not teaching me new things with this history lesson is my point. I know about the atrocities committed and I think communism is a red herring, pun intended. We could have prevented Vietnam from becoming Communist and could have got a good footing in the Pacific Theater had we not been getting a healthy dose of that Red Scare from Joe McCarthy, but also if FDR hadn't have kept that secret operation hidden from Truman.... Like.. I get it. Authoritarian states are horrible and so are authoritarian economies. What part of the Manifesto, LaSallean economics or Das Kapital is concerned with such ideas of central planning and overarching governance? Like, the best criticism you can have for Communism is that it is too disorganized and needs to compromise itself and coexist with another economic system, much in the same way that capitalism and socialism already do. But you guys spend time talking about war history in an economics discussion... and act like it's the first fucking time any of us have heard about world history. I mean, fuck dude.</quote> You're conflating way too many things, which is why it's confusing. Socialism and capitalism can never coexist because one is the negation of the other. Nation states tend to always be authoritarian. It's just in their nature to do if they want any sort of life. To me, it's why the phrase "liberal democracy" makes no sense.</quote> You're wrong and right at the same time. Capitalism can never exist if we adhere to the notion that any regulations on an economy hinders the free market. By that merit, people need to give up the idea that they've ever seen a capitalist economy in their life. This is hyperbole, don't worry. Socialism as it is seems to be poorly understood is using a part of the collected generated wealth/income in the country to place market floors into the S/D curve and so forth and are only issues when they start becoming about unessential goods. I consider health care and education to be essential goods, much in the same way that I consider clean water and running electricity and well kept roads to be things. None of these ideas are somehow foreign to "capitalism", as they shouldn't be. You're right that they can't coexist under those names, but you're wrong about them being unable to coexist. Mixed economies are a thing. These notions of pure economies are laughable. Like the US is some laissez-faire masterpiece.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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