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kangolcone
12/19/18 11:08:01 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
No, I suggest allowing children to use the bathroom they feel comfortable in since there is no evidence that it leads to increased sexual violence

There's no evidence, because you don't collect it.

There's no evidence that legal street racing is dangerous (since it's never legal), guess we should drop traffic laws!


Theres a lot of evidence that going faster increases risk of fatality. Theres actually quite a bit of evidence on this.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 11:10:40 AM
#52:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Also, its not .5%. Around 40% of Americans support people being able to use the bathroom they identify with.

.5% think they can't under standard rule.

kangolcone posted...
When they legalize pot, they arent doing it to pander to pot smokers, its because a lot of people support the idea.

40% isn't even a majority, let alone a supermajority required for most votes.


A supermajority is not required for almost anything in the US political system especially when it comes to public referendums.
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Kyuubi4269
12/19/18 11:21:09 AM
#53:


kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
No, I suggest allowing children to use the bathroom they feel comfortable in since there is no evidence that it leads to increased sexual violence

There's no evidence, because you don't collect it.

There's no evidence that legal street racing is dangerous (since it's never legal), guess we should drop traffic laws!


Theres a lot of evidence that going faster increases risk of fatality. Theres actually quite a bit of evidence on this.

There's a lot of evidence that transgender students are at higher riak of sexual violence yet you ignore that.

kangolcone posted...
A supermajority is not required for almost anything in the US political system especially when it comes to public referendums.

Brexit went on 52%, still 12% more than your soft vote.
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_AdjI_
12/19/18 11:21:17 AM
#54:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
This is a completely unacceptable way to treat a student regardless of their gender identity, but is an especially egregious invasion of privacy on a person who is likely even more body conscious than your average 15 year old.

It's just as egregious, how somebody reacts doesn't change the severity of the action.


Apparently Kyuubi thinks that punching a 25-year-old bodybuilder and punching an osteoporotic 90-year-old with the same force are comparably severe actions. Their reaction doesn't change it, after all.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 11:24:13 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
No, I suggest allowing children to use the bathroom they feel comfortable in since there is no evidence that it leads to increased sexual violence

There's no evidence, because you don't collect it.

There's no evidence that legal street racing is dangerous (since it's never legal), guess we should drop traffic laws!


Theres a lot of evidence that going faster increases risk of fatality. Theres actually quite a bit of evidence on this.

There's a lot of evidence that transgender students are at higher riak of sexual violence yet you ignore that.

kangolcone posted...
A supermajority is not required for almost anything in the US political system especially when it comes to public referendums.

Brexit went on 52%, still 12% more than your soft vote.


Yes, its a well documented that people who are transgender suffer a higher rate of violence. Thats incredibly well documented. Whats not been shown to be true is your assertion of that it happens because of school level bathroom policy. Weird that we have evidence of violence but not that violence occurs due to bathroom choice. Its almost as if they can both be true. Imagine that.
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BlackScythe0
12/19/18 11:25:11 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's expressing a concern, a prediction, something that's the basis for beginning basically all testing. You returning inconclusive data does nothing to dull the concern.

In circumstances of limited data, err on the side of stasis, in this incidence people have made the change without sufficient data, and afterward failed to gather evidence again. I don't particularly care one way or the other as it doesn't effect me, but I really dislike mindless pandering trying not to hurt fee-fees.


You call it a concern or a prediction. Reality is it's an irrational fear. Many people who hold that stance aren't interested in finding evidence but instead trying to "prove" their irrational fear.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 11:26:25 AM
#57:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
A supermajority is not required for almost anything in the US political system especially when it comes to public referendums.

Brexit went on 52%, still 12% more than your soft vote.


What does that have to do with A) US politics or B) a supermajority?
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Kyuubi4269
12/19/18 11:27:56 AM
#58:


kangolcone posted...
Yes, its a well documented that people who are transgender suffer a higher rate of violence. Thats incredibly well documented. Whats not been shown to be true is your assertion of that it happens because of school level bathroom policy.

They suffer higher violence, higher sexual violence occurs in bathrooms, the smart money is comorbidity takes effect. Prove me wrong.

kangolcone posted...
Weird that we have evidence of violence but not that violence occurs due to bathroom choice. Its almost as if they can both be true. Imagine that.

Do research then we'll know, rather than fellating your rainbow fantasy.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 11:30:25 AM
#59:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Yes, its a well documented that people who are transgender suffer a higher rate of violence. Thats incredibly well documented. Whats not been shown to be true is your assertion of that it happens because of school level bathroom policy.

They suffer higher violence, higher sexual violence occurs in bathrooms, the smart money is comorbidity takes effect. Prove me wrong.

kangolcone posted...
Weird that we have evidence of violence but not that violence occurs due to bathroom choice. Its almost as if they can both be true. Imagine that.

Do research then we'll know, rather than fellating your rainbow fantasy.


You are making the claim that bathroom policies lead to higher sexual violence. Prove this claim.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 11:42:04 AM
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Im still waiting to figure out how exactly you were trying to claim that speeding has no documentation of higher risk
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Collat
12/19/18 11:42:47 AM
#61:


Pedos probably shouldn't be kept at a job where they are working around kids.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 11:44:12 AM
#62:


Collat posted...
Pedos probably shouldn't be kept at a job where they are working around kids.


See you are wrong, according to Kyuubi, this is rape protection.
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Collat
12/19/18 11:51:52 AM
#63:


kangolcone posted...
Collat posted...
Pedos probably shouldn't be kept at a job where they are working around kids.


See you are wrong, according to Kyuubi, this is rape protection.
Oh right. That old argument.

It's too bad there aren't any laws against rape. Someone should fix that.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 11:56:01 AM
#64:


Collat posted...
kangolcone posted...
Collat posted...
Pedos probably shouldn't be kept at a job where they are working around kids.


See you are wrong, according to Kyuubi, this is rape protection.
Oh right. That old argument.

It's too bad there aren't any laws against rape. Someone should fix that.


Look, there is no evidence that speeding increases risks in an accident and we should have a person document which bathroom children are deciding to go in to. Its really the only way because otherwise everybody would rape everybody all the time in school restrooms.
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_AdjI_
12/19/18 12:25:57 PM
#65:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
They suffer higher violence, higher sexual violence occurs in bathrooms, the smart money is comorbidity takes effect. Prove me wrong.


That's your own job, actually. That's how science works. You come up with a hypothesis, you conduct some sort of experiment to test it, and if you fail to prove yourself wrong, you're left with a hypothesis that is as credible as your experimental method. If you haven't even arrived at something credible enough to pass peer review, why should anyone else put effort into disproving you?

That said, I can poke a rather large hole in your logic by pointing out that trans students still use a bathroom, regardless of what policies are in place. All your train of logic would lead to is "trans students will suffer higher rates of violence in bathrooms," not "allowing trans students to use their target gender's bathroom will increase the rate at which they suffer violence." You might want to come up with something a little more relevant to the discussion at hand.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 1:41:00 PM
#66:


_AdjI_ posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
They suffer higher violence, higher sexual violence occurs in bathrooms, the smart money is comorbidity takes effect. Prove me wrong.


That's your own job, actually. That's how science works. You come up with a hypothesis, you conduct some sort of experiment to test it, and if you fail to prove yourself wrong, you're left with a hypothesis that is as credible as your experimental method. If you haven't even arrived at something credible enough to pass peer review, why should anyone else put effort into disproving you?

That said, I can poke a rather large hole in your logic by pointing out that trans students still use a bathroom, regardless of what policies are in place. All your train of logic would lead to is "trans students will suffer higher rates of violence in bathrooms," not "allowing trans students to use their target gender's bathroom will increase the rate at which they suffer violence." You might want to come up with something a little more relevant to the discussion at hand.


He tried arguing earlier that there is no evidence that going faster increases risks in an automobile accident, I dont think relevant and logical is his cup of tea.
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Whargarble
12/19/18 1:57:35 PM
#67:


It's amazing how conservatives post total non-sequiturs as actual evidence for their viewpoints, and hold completely different standards of evidence for their own beliefs that they hold for other beliefs. Also a lot of assumed premises and stating opinions with no supporting data as irrefutable fact simply because those opinions are unfalsifiable with currently available data.

Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.
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Kyuubi4269
12/19/18 2:14:01 PM
#68:


Whargarble posted...
Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.

I will, continue with the rest of your group ignoring salient information to create a nonsensical strawman you can burn with your buddies.
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kangolcone
12/19/18 2:22:09 PM
#69:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Whargarble posted...
Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.

I will, continue with the rest of your group ignoring salient information to create a nonsensical strawman you can burn with your buddies.


You are making the claim that bathroom policies lead to higher sexual violence. Prove this claim.
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BlackScythe0
12/20/18 1:35:43 PM
#70:


kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Whargarble posted...
Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.

I will, continue with the rest of your group ignoring salient information to create a nonsensical strawman you can burn with your buddies.


You are making the claim that bathroom policies lead to higher sexual violence. Prove this claim.


The principal in this story?
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CarefreeDude
12/20/18 1:37:21 PM
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I would have laughed if the student had a shewee and just did it.
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CarefreeDude
12/20/18 1:42:26 PM
#72:


Saying "In order to prove your a boy you have to use a urinal" doesn't make sense.

Lets cut off the principals dick, and then tell him he has to use a urinal. If he can't he isn't a man.
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Kyuubi4269
12/20/18 1:42:30 PM
#73:


kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Whargarble posted...
Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.

I will, continue with the rest of your group ignoring salient information to create a nonsensical strawman you can burn with your buddies.


You are making the claim that bathroom policies lead to higher sexual violence. Prove this claim.

Yet another strawman.
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BlackScythe0
12/20/18 1:43:21 PM
#74:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Whargarble posted...
Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.

I will, continue with the rest of your group ignoring salient information to create a nonsensical strawman you can burn with your buddies.


You are making the claim that bathroom policies lead to higher sexual violence. Prove this claim.

Yet another strawman.

Not at all.
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Kyuubi4269
12/20/18 1:44:04 PM
#75:


CarefreeDude posted...
Saying "In order to prove your a boy you have to use a urinal" doesn't make sense.

Lets cut off the principals dick, and then tell him he has to use a urinal. If he can't he isn't a man.

The point is he believes no transition was actually made, so can claim they're not even altered, just cross-dressing (which I doubt is covered).
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Kyuubi4269
12/20/18 1:46:17 PM
#76:


BlackScythe0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Whargarble posted...
Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.

I will, continue with the rest of your group ignoring salient information to create a nonsensical strawman you can burn with your buddies.


You are making the claim that bathroom policies lead to higher sexual violence. Prove this claim.

Yet another strawman.

Not at all.

Yeah, no, that's not how reality works. You can't decide the words other people have said mean what you want.
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CarefreeDude
12/20/18 1:46:48 PM
#77:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
CarefreeDude posted...
Saying "In order to prove your a boy you have to use a urinal" doesn't make sense.

Lets cut off the principals dick, and then tell him he has to use a urinal. If he can't he isn't a man.

The point is he believes no transition was actually made, so can claim they're not even altered, just cross-dressing (which I doubt is covered).


You don't need to do a transition to identify as different gender. I could start walking around with bulging muscles and a full beard, pants that don't really hide an enormous dick, and absolutely reeking of manliness but say I identify as a woman and thus it is so.
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Kyuubi4269
12/20/18 1:49:10 PM
#78:


CarefreeDude posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
CarefreeDude posted...
Saying "In order to prove your a boy you have to use a urinal" doesn't make sense.

Lets cut off the principals dick, and then tell him he has to use a urinal. If he can't he isn't a man.

The point is he believes no transition was actually made, so can claim they're not even altered, just cross-dressing (which I doubt is covered).


You don't need to do a transition to identify as different gender. I could start walking around with bulging muscles and a full beard, pants that don't really hide an enormous dick, and absolutely reeking of manliness but say I identify as a woman and thus it is so.

Does this school's policy match that?
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BlackScythe0
12/20/18 1:54:33 PM
#79:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Whargarble posted...
Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.

I will, continue with the rest of your group ignoring salient information to create a nonsensical strawman you can burn with your buddies.


You are making the claim that bathroom policies lead to higher sexual violence. Prove this claim.

Yet another strawman.

Not at all.

Yeah, no, that's not how reality works. You can't decide the words other people have said mean what you want.

You want everyone to prove your argument.

It's not a straw man when they tell you to prove your own argument.
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CarefreeDude
12/20/18 1:57:29 PM
#80:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
CarefreeDude posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
CarefreeDude posted...
Saying "In order to prove your a boy you have to use a urinal" doesn't make sense.

Lets cut off the principals dick, and then tell him he has to use a urinal. If he can't he isn't a man.

The point is he believes no transition was actually made, so can claim they're not even altered, just cross-dressing (which I doubt is covered).


You don't need to do a transition to identify as different gender. I could start walking around with bulging muscles and a full beard, pants that don't really hide an enormous dick, and absolutely reeking of manliness but say I identify as a woman and thus it is so.

Does this school's policy match that?


Federal law does.
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Kyuubi4269
12/20/18 1:58:52 PM
#81:


BlackScythe0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
kangolcone posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Whargarble posted...
Casual observations. Pay me no heed. Carry on.

I will, continue with the rest of your group ignoring salient information to create a nonsensical strawman you can burn with your buddies.


You are making the claim that bathroom policies lead to higher sexual violence. Prove this claim.

Yet another strawman.

Not at all.

Yeah, no, that's not how reality works. You can't decide the words other people have said mean what you want.

You want everyone to prove your argument.

It's not a straw man when they tell you to prove your own argument.

It's a strawman when they tell you to prove a doctored statement changing the meaning.

Regardless, the standard is male/female bathrooms, you are in need of reasoning to change the status quo.
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CarefreeDude
12/20/18 2:01:45 PM
#82:


Speaking of questionably trans people, i have a FTM trans friend, who is extremely petite and feminine. He has rather large breasts, and frequently goes topless in public because "male privilege."
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Kyuubi4269
12/20/18 2:02:02 PM
#83:


CarefreeDude posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
CarefreeDude posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
CarefreeDude posted...
Saying "In order to prove your a boy you have to use a urinal" doesn't make sense.

Lets cut off the principals dick, and then tell him he has to use a urinal. If he can't he isn't a man.

The point is he believes no transition was actually made, so can claim they're not even altered, just cross-dressing (which I doubt is covered).


You don't need to do a transition to identify as different gender. I could start walking around with bulging muscles and a full beard, pants that don't really hide an enormous dick, and absolutely reeking of manliness but say I identify as a woman and thus it is so.

Does this school's policy match that?


Federal law does.

(c) Toilet facilities(1) General. (i) Except as otherwise indicated in this paragraph (c)(1)(i), toilet facilities, in toilet rooms separate for each sex, shall be provided in all places of employment in accordance with table J-1 of this section.


That one? The one stating separate bathrooms by sex, not gender?
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Sefrig
12/20/18 2:18:41 PM
#84:


CarefreeDude posted...
Speaking of questionably trans people

nobody was
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Zareth
12/20/18 2:35:01 PM
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Looks like he won't be Livengood anymore.
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