Board 8 > Persona 5 Mafia Topic 2 - The Castle of Lust

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Corrik posted...

Okay I have good news and bad news.

What's the bad news?
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Reg posted...

(Spoilers, I ask you to do that because I think it's pretty clear that scum's pushing my lynch from various angles, and I'd like to make that fact clear to the game. And since you won't be able to support Terra's piss poor excuse for reasoning there, it'll just make it more clear to anybody actually reading)

Biggest fucking eyeroll mate. It's like you're not even trying anymore and just trying to call out whoever you can as scum to divert attention. Especially when as I explained in my response, you're not even bothering to read my argument properly. Seems more of a fault of your "piss poor" reading if you don't comprehend the angle I was coming from with that post.
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Corrik concerns me because he seems passive right now, and the last time I saw Corrik just laying there he was scum. Though I fully admit I don't get a really solid read on him until like day 3 or so.

Apparently he sees Plum and/or Sheep as bad with a town read on Red.

IfGodCouldDie... He stopped shitposting, and hasn't really done much of anything after that. Like he voted eaed, but even that could be seen as just a counter vote.

red13n I'm liking so far, early on he's trying to actually get other people on the person he's voting for. He's additionally asking questions and making sure no one goes under notice for too long, reads towny to me.

Neablis...

Neablis posted...

I will join you han as i agree

##Vote: Eaed

I don't think he spoke to Han prior to this.

He follows Han, later explains how he normally votes super late, and ultimate... doesn't really give too many unique thoughts.

I'd like to hear who he thinks is town/scum right now and why.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Reg posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

So unless you think I'm scum pulling it out of thin air, it's not bullshit.

It just so happens that I believe that exact idea thanks to this conversation! The original post was nonsense and unfounded, and it's literally all you've cited as reason to vote me besides Terra's even worse reasoning.

I never cited that as a reason to vote you

It's still literally the only thing you've given that's not page 1 gut lmao, even if it's ex post facto

Dark Young Link posted...

Corrik concerns me because he seems passive right now, and the last time I saw Corrik just laying there he was scum. Though I fully admit I don't get a really solid read on him until like day 3 or so.

Apparently he sees Plum and/or Sheep as bad with a town read on Red.

IfGodCouldDie... He stopped shitposting, and hasn't really done much of anything after that. Like he voted eaed, but even that could be seen as just a counter vote.

red13n I'm liking so far, early on he's trying to actually get other people on the person he's voting for. He's additionally asking questions and making sure no one goes under notice for too long, reads towny to me.

Neablis...

Neablis posted...

I will join you han as i agree

##Vote: Eaed

I don't think he spoke to Han prior to this.

He follows Han, later explains how he normally votes super late, and ultimate... doesn't really give too many unique thoughts.

I'd like to hear who he thinks is town/scum right now and why.

You like red because he is trying to get people to vote the way he wants?

Really?

REALLY?
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Reg posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Don't twist my words into making it what you want to hear. Blatantly twisting people's words to grasp for an argument only makes you look worse in my eyes. It's one thing to disagree with my logic and counter it, but you're clearly not even interpreting what I said as telegraphed.

You literally said my actions w.r.t eaed make no sense for me as scum.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Personally I'm still not feeling the eaed lynch, but I could definitely go for a Reg push. I didn't like his push for IGCD. It felt very weak, and he really tried making a push over the joke phase of the day. His MZero vote still doesn't make any sense to me, and almost signifies to me if Reg is indeed scum that IGCD was just a failed lynch so he wanted to look like he was putting pressure elsewhere. Which also makes me question would a scum Reg pass up the opportunity to bus eaed if he is assumed to be scum as well? It would make more sense than randomly voting an inactive late into the first half of the day when main lynches were already being formed.

How the hell you see that from what I said is beyond me. The context is built on the idea of a scum eaed AND scum Reg. If I lean town on one of you and scum on the other, it doesn't take two brain cells to see that you both being scum can't possibly be the case according to this line of logic. My point is that I don't see you and eaed being scum.
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Anyways, I've got work that actually needs to happen, so I'm going to go do that instead of running myself into a brick wall with people that don't (or refuse to) recognize their logic is trash.

I'm going to be super frustrated if I come back after work in a few hours to see that nobody else recognizes just how goddamn bad this train is.

Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik posted...

Okay I have good news and bad news.

What's the bad news?

The bad news is that I haven't been very invested and an ongoing problem has somewhat limited my activity (partially) at the start of this game. I have read every post, but to say I digested them fully would be erroneous

Ongoing problem is bad request errors experienced on this site.
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ScareChan posted...

You like red because he is trying to get people to vote the way he wants?

Really?

REALLY?

I like early aggression. Oftentimes you just see people voting and kind of just lying there, not interested in getting the game moving. Like compare his vote to people who either just followed someone else, or voted without much of an explanation.
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Also the bad news is I brought a switch into work today with the intention of starting Zelda.
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Corrik posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik posted...

Okay I have good news and bad news.

What's the bad news?

The bad news is that I haven't been very invested and an ongoing problem has somewhat limited my activity (partially) at the start of this game. I have read every post, but to say I digested them fully would be erroneous

Ongoing problem is bad request errors experienced on this site.

What's the good news?
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Corrik posted...

Ongoing problem is bad request errors experienced on this site.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/10-ask-the-mods/77237314
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Reg posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Don't twist my words into making it what you want to hear. Blatantly twisting people's words to grasp for an argument only makes you look worse in my eyes. It's one thing to disagree with my logic and counter it, but you're clearly not even interpreting what I said as telegraphed.

You literally said my actions w.r.t eaed make no sense for me as scum.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Personally I'm still not feeling the eaed lynch, but I could definitely go for a Reg push. I didn't like his push for IGCD. It felt very weak, and he really tried making a push over the joke phase of the day. His MZero vote still doesn't make any sense to me, and almost signifies to me if Reg is indeed scum that IGCD was just a failed lynch so he wanted to look like he was putting pressure elsewhere. Which also makes me question would a scum Reg pass up the opportunity to bus eaed if he is assumed to be scum as well? It would make more sense than randomly voting an inactive late into the first half of the day when main lynches were already being formed.

How the hell you see that from what I said is beyond me. The context is built on the idea of a scum eaed AND scum Reg. If I lean town on one of you and scum on the other, it doesn't take two brain cells to see that you both being scum can't possibly be the case according to this line of logic. My point is that I don't see you and eaed being scum.

Furthermore, if it wasn't clear, if eaed is indeed town, you avoiding him for a random inactive vote works against your case further since scum wouldn't want to link themselves to a growing mislynch when it was already gaining enough traction as is.
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Corrik posted...

Also the bad news is I brought a switch into work today with the intention of starting Zelda.

Not even smash?
Scum if I ever saw one...

Anyway I am more free now, time to make sense of this breakneck posting pace.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Corrik posted...

Okay I have good news and bad news.

What's the bad news?

The bad news is that I haven't been very invested and an ongoing problem has somewhat limited my activity (partially) at the start of this game. I have read every post, but to say I digested them fully would be erroneous

Ongoing problem is bad request errors experienced on this site.

What's the good news?

Good news is. That I got forced onto a double before my pool playoff match yesterday (which we lost) so I was running on zero sleep and was busy with the match so couldn't pay attention. But, that's over with so we should be relatively good now.

Plus, Plum and Sheep are scum too.
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htaeD posted...

Corrik posted...

Also the bad news is I brought a switch into work today with the intention of starting Zelda.

Not even smash?
Scum if I ever saw one...

Anyway I am more free now, time to make sense of this breakneck posting pace.

He doesn't get smash til christmas and it's her kids switch.
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Reg posted...

Anyways, I've got work that actually needs to happen, so I'm going to go do that instead of running myself into a brick wall with people that don't (or refuse to) recognize their logic is trash.

I'm going to be super frustrated if I come back after work in a few hours to see that nobody else recognizes just how goddamn bad this train is.

Do you think Han's logic has been trash?
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Corrik posted...

Plus, Plum and Sheep are scum too.

How come?
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Also, Han is smart. If I don't wanna post, I won't and Idgaf what anyone says in regards to it. I won't be pressured into doing anything I don't wanna do lol.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Corrik posted...

Plus, Plum and Sheep are scum too.

How come?

Plum tried to make up reasoning to vote me when he thought I was inactive. He did this in another game he was scum also.

Sheep is one of the best scum players in this game and he made a lot of a point to basicat say everyone who made substantial posts was all town in his first post without even a whiff of looking for scum. Appears to be scum trying to curry favor from town and not actually looking for scum.
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Basically*
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You will be able to tell a lot about the scum team based on who is killed tonight.

If I am not killed, some of or a combination of IGCD, Regaro, and Plum are scum.

They are salty players against me who won't acknowledge me as a player and have something to prove against me.
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Corrik posted...

Also, Han is smart. If I don't wanna post, I won't and Idgaf what anyone says in regards to it. I won't be pressured into doing anything I don't wanna do lol.

Oh I'm not voting to pressure

I'm voting to just lynch you
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ScareChan posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Scare, the only claim screw up I remember from last game is when geno claimed is literally scum and Corrik asking for more villains on the safelist.

That's uh

Yikes

Considering I mentioned issue with wrestler well after that

But I guess I cant prove you followed your own game

I assumed you were talking during the game itself not the flavor overall but I am really not sure what you're trying to get at.

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Votals, as of #224
Reg [6] - (IGCD), Han, plum, Terra, Ashe, Ben, HB
eaed [4] - (Han), Neablis, (IGCD), (ben), (Scare), (Hb)
Hb [2] - (Scare), Reg, eaed
IGCD [2] - red, (Reg), (ben), DYL
Corrik [1] - (plum), Scare
Johnbobb [1] - MZero
Sheep [1] - Corrik
Death [0] - (plum)
MZero [0] - (Scare), (Reg)
Scare [0] - (Corrik), (eaed)

To what Reg was saying it really is intriguing that HB and Ben have followed Han like the Chris he claims to be to be. But on top of that, Ben at least try to hide it. HB on the other hand openly switched with no reasoning he straight out says "I trust Han. I'll follow him" literally just trying to make sure that he is on the majority vote. He isn't even hiding it. I mean it is incredible.
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Yeah looking at sheep...

Dude seems confident on a lot of people so casually.

@Sheep007 Could you explain your town reads please? Additionally, who do you suspect is scum?
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Corrik I get the impression Sheep is really into the town-clearing thing though, including when he is town. Similar to me, he's usually quick to throw out town reads immediately and may go all the way till the end of day 1 before even having a scum read. We're usually the two who agree on who is town right away.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

ScareChan posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Scare, the only claim screw up I remember from last game is when geno claimed is literally scum and Corrik asking for more villains on the safelist.

That's uh

Yikes

Considering I mentioned issue with wrestler well after that

But I guess I cant prove you followed your own game

I assumed you were talking during the game itself not the flavor overall but I am really not sure what you're trying to get at.

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Votals, as of #224
Reg [6] - (IGCD), Han, plum, Terra, Ashe, Ben, HB
eaed [4] - (Han), Neablis, (IGCD), (ben), (Scare), (Hb)
Hb [2] - (Scare), Reg, eaed
IGCD [2] - red, (Reg), (ben), DYL
Corrik [1] - (plum), Scare
Johnbobb [1] - MZero
Sheep [1] - Corrik
Death [0] - (plum)
MZero [0] - (Scare), (Reg)
Scare [0] - (Corrik), (eaed)

To what Reg was saying it really is intriguing that HB and Ben have followed Han like the Chris he claims to be to be. But on top of that, Ben at least try to hide it. HB on the other hand openly switched with no reasoning he straight out says "I trust Han. I'll follow him" literally just trying to make sure that he is on the majority vote. He isn't even hiding it. I mean it is incredible.

Sooo what's scummier? Hiding it or not hiding it?
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For the record, hbs 'i trust han' messages with no reasoning are aggrevating.

Eaed Ive made it clear long before Han that I think you and reg are scum. Im following Han on just who to lynch first and who to lynch second. If I get my way, you will be tomorrow.
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Reg posted...

2) IGCD was a failed lynch that I wanted off

To be fair I didn't really like your reasoning for getting off of me.
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Dark Young Link posted...

Yeah looking at sheep...

Dude seems confident on a lot of people so casually.

@Sheep007 Could you explain your town reads please? Additionally, who do you suspect is scum?

Sheep is always confident though.
Explanations are nice, but this is nothing new...
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benjamin3740 posted...

Sooo what's scummier? Hiding it or not hiding it?

Hiding it may be scummier but there are more things that HB is doing that makes him scummier than you.

Hbthebattle posted...

Eaed Ive made it clear long before Han that I think you and reg are scum. Im following Han on just who to lynch first and who to lynch second. If I get my way, you will be tomorrow.

I'm not seeing it in your votes? Almost as if you were waiting for someone else to go first so that you can back out if you were wrong.
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Red, come join me on lynching HB.
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What the fuck do you mean you dont see that in my votes? Im going with Reg today because he had a higher votal and would be less likely to be able to bullshit his way out of it last minute.
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Votals, as of #332
Reg [6] - (IGCD), Han, plum, Terra, Ashe, ben, Hb
IGCD [2] - red, (Reg), (ben), DYL
Ben [1] - Reg
Corrik [1] - (plum), Scare
eaed [1] - (Han), Neablis, (IGCD), (ben), (Scare), (Hb)
Hb [1] - (Scare), (Reg), eaed
Johnbobb [1] - MZero
Sheep [1] - Corrik
Death [0] - (plum)
MZero [0] - (Scare), (Reg)
Scare [0] - (Corrik), (eaed)

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch. Day ends at 8:00 PM EST on Tuesday, December 18th, approximately five hours from now.
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Hbthebattle posted...

What the fuck do you mean you dont see that in my votes? Im going with Reg today because he had a higher votal and would be less likely to be able to bullshit his way out of it last minute.

Han voted for Reg before you. Also, please view the bolded segment, you mean to tell me that you are purposely going for the easier target? AKA a classic scum move for a mislynch?
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Everyone join me in voting for HB.
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Okay, I am leaving my office now so I will be on my phone until 5 and then from about 530 - 8 I will be at my swim team's swim meet I will most likely be gone but I will be trying to be here as much as I can.
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The eased wagon sort of fail apart here.

In any case I will post complete thoughts soon.

Sheep is not technically outside what I've witnessed as town however he is well under the normal amount of activity and impact I expect.

It is a bit worrying though

eaedwards6400 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

What the fuck do you mean you dont see that in my votes? Im going with Reg today because he had a higher votal and would be less likely to be able to bullshit his way out of it last minute.

Han voted for Reg before you. Also, please view the bolded segment, you mean to tell me that you are purposely going for the easier target? AKA a classic scum move for a mislynch?

Yes. I am going for the easier target. Why would I lie? Think about it. If I believe two people are scum, but one has way more votes than the other, I vote for the one with the higher votal to make it harder for them to slip away, while declaring the other one as also scum and my preferred lynch for the next day. Is that so odd?
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ScareChan posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I dont understand the issue with the whole claim thing. His claim had a legitimate mistake. Why is that grounds to go after me?

There is something unique to your relationship with ed due to last game and I am curious as why neither of you mentioned it

Omfg I just realized how much of a fucking nothing burger this line of questioning is.
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Okay to look at Reg I needed to look at HB first
and also compare him to his last game

and I feel there are some differences, clear enough to make me consider HB to be town for now.

Scum HB was pushing inactives more often and hiding behind other players opinions or indirectly justifying his votes with 'I trust that guy, I dont trust this guy voting that guy'.

So now its Regs turn.
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Arti posted...

Reg [6] - (IGCD), Han, plum, Terra, Ashe, ben, Hb

Btw simple reasons to not like a lynch.

Han, people say he's fired up? Does that mean hes town suddenly? No.

Plum, said he tbinks hans scum, blind sheeps him for two lynches.

Terr, inactive
Ashe, inactive.

Hb, says he trusts han, has never provided a legit reason for doing so. At best he is town being mindless sheep.
Ben, sheep vote.

Thats a big old lack of credibility.

Corrik posted...

Dark Young Link posted...

Corrik posted...

Plus, Plum and Sheep are scum too.

How come?

Plum tried to make up reasoning to vote me when he thought I was inactive. He did this in another game he was scum also.

Sheep is one of the best scum players in this game and he made a lot of a point to basicat say everyone who made substantial posts was all town in his first post without even a whiff of looking for scum. Appears to be scum trying to curry favor from town and not actually looking for scum.

There's some contradictory logic here. You say I'm one of the best scum players in this game yet am not actually looking like scumhunting so think I'm scum. Never knew you had such low standards for calling someone a good player.

Dark Young Link posted...

Yeah looking at sheep...

Dude seems confident on a lot of people so casually.

@Sheep007 Could you explain your town reads please? Additionally, who do you suspect is scum?

As someone else has mentioned a bit further down, I always rather to come across as confident. It's cause it puts more pressure on people and makes my reads clear. Scare is my top Town read and the difference between scum/town Scare feels like night and day so I'm very sure on that one. Activity levels, how much he's created discussion, etc. I still feel moderately confident on HB as town as well, though to a lesser extent when compared to before. Unlike just about everyone else, apparently, I think Reg is town. The only person I feel is town on his lynch is HB and Reg's been active and attempting to scumhunt more than just about every other player. IGCD is also a town lean for his start to the game but that's mostly gut.

Scum... Not so many. Ed's a pretty big scumread still but there's nobody else I'm confident enough to call scum yet. Will probably start paying more attention for the last few hours since I should be available from now til about deadline.
Neablis posted...

The eased wagon sort of fail apart here.

In any case I will post complete thoughts soon.

Sheep is not technically outside what I've witnessed as town however he is well under the normal amount of activity and impact I expect.

It is a bit worrying though

See my above statement.
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What about my vote makes it a sheep vote?

Coincidentally, Han doesnt like the same guy I dont
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benjamin3740 posted...

Corrik I get the impression Sheep is really into the town-clearing thing though, including when he is town. Similar to me, he's usually quick to throw out town reads immediately and may go all the way till the end of day 1 before even having a scum read. We're usually the two who agree on who is town right away.

Too many way too fast. His literal first post I believe.
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benjamin3740 posted...

Though I see a lot of people are saying they suspect him too, and I don't feel very original anymore.

That was literally with your vote. You are quite literally shrugging your shoulders and going fine I'll follow everyone.

Corrik posted...

benjamin3740 posted...

Corrik I get the impression Sheep is really into the town-clearing thing though, including when he is town. Similar to me, he's usually quick to throw out town reads immediately and may go all the way till the end of day 1 before even having a scum read. We're usually the two who agree on who is town right away.

Too many way too fast. His literal first post I believe.

From my personal recollection, he's done exactly that before. As long as there was someone really towny that posted before him. And there often is due to time zones.
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Sheep007 posted...

There's some contradictory logic here. You say I'm one of the best scum players in this game yet am not actually looking like scumhunting so think I'm scum. Never knew you had such low standards for calling someone a good player.

Trying to gain town allies as scum is good play. Look how many of those you called town even have a whiff of scum from you. Wonder why.
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My first post is normally a good 12-16 hours after game start due to timezones. That's normally enough for a read especially if someone is being particularly blatant. I called both Ben and Scare obvious Town in my first post the game they claimed masons.
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