Board 8 > Persona 5 Mafia Topic 2 - The Castle of Lust

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Hbthebattle posted...

I mean it didn't actually go well for Chris because nobody wanted to follow up on Jedi voters
So I would suggest not starting 3 vote trains, especially if one is on someone who has done nothing at all

Please, I'm not Chris.

And hey, Scare, I promise I'll look at HB in detail if you join me on Reg here.
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red13n posted...

Plum if you need more hate on you, you post more like a lost puppy without chris in the game to blindly follow.

I do hate day 1s!

And Im lazy! Both are true!
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ScareChan posted...

red13n posted...

ScareChan posted...

masterplum posted...

Whats the argument on Reg Han?

han is scum
please tell me why I should vote reg

hmm

scare you know the fault in this logic.

Yes but he flipped way too fast, even if its to deconstruct or refute. He lost credibility before it even began

ehhh, plum's brain is weird.

Remember how I just said he posts like a lost puppy with chris not here.

It was mostly seriously.
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ftr, eaed was focusing on my arrogance because he's annoyed because he knows I'm right and thinks I'm being a jerk about it
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also wow how did that get to seriously. Usually that happens when I start editing my posts before I post them but I didn't do that to that part. Oh well.
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a lot of people seemed to go quiet once me and red and plum and scare all started biting at each other
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

But no, really, I eat up praise like it's buffalo wings.

Plum, I can go back and repost some stuff, but I'm wayyy too energized and focused on this game right now and I need to move a dresser.

tl;dr

1. He gave excuses early on, when it was awkward.
2. He's shown annoyance of Scum getting caught when they think it was for a dumb reason (red knows this feeling very well)
3. He's been pushing against the eaed train, when we know eaed is for sure Scum.
4. He ignored arguments and suspicion on him, which is what Scum often do since they like to avoid confrontation and putting more spotlight on themselves (usually a subconscious play, but I would expect a vet returning from a hiatus to do that)

I dont agree with 4. I find myself being too hyper focused on what people think of me as scum. As town I usually dont care.

I dont really follow on 1 and 2.

Why would reg bend backwards to save a flailing Ed like that?

I guess he could just be bad. Ive been burned often by assuming scum never do dumb things
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I mean, this right here is a microcosm of why I hate day 1.

Anyone can say anything on day 1 with no consequence. There hasnt been a situation where people actually have to put their money down yet.

Will Han vote for Reg over Ed?
Will Ed actually flip scum?
Will Reg continue to not want to lynch Ed as the day comes to a close?

You cant actuslly tell what people think until they are forced to actually do it.
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And Im not talking about we need information thats complete garbage too. It could be all vanillas and I would still hate day 1
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Everything is turbulent. But the most logical answer to me is both (at least) reg and eaed being scum together.
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masterplum posted...

Why would reg bend backwards to save a flailing Ed like that?

I wouldn't, I haven't, and Han is lying to you about it.

The only thing I've done with Eaed is caution people against going too hard on the crap around his claim, which led me to Hb as a suspect. I've already said there are reasons to pursue ed.

I also asked him to cite me defending ed, and the best he had was me wanting to explore another direction while like six people were jumping on eaed. In a situation where a seventh accomplishes nothing.

Day 1 is the best day because it's where Scum are trying to build their Town persona. They don't have any past activity to go to to create themselves - it's the best day for finding Scum via reading into tone in posts.

I don't think Reg is bending backwards to save Ed, his push against the eaed train has been less "no this is a bad idea" and more of a "let's look elsewhere. Also, these arguments are bad".

And while some Scum are certainly hyper-aware of how people think of them, I think a lot of Scum tend to hope the suspicion goes away.

As for points 1 and 2, I've talked about them already.

Plum, can I just say "gut" and have you join me?
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So you think Ed is scum then?
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Reg avoided eaed at first. Then, when he finally did dip his toes into it, it was more to softly defend him.

I'm saying he's defending the fuck out of him to make it clear to Reg that his soft defense is showing.
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Reg posted...

masterplum posted...

Why would reg bend backwards to save a flailing Ed like that?

I wouldn't, I haven't, and Han is lying to you about it.

The only thing I've done with Eaed is caution people against going too hard on the crap around his claim, which led me to Hb as a suspect. I've already said there are reasons to pursue ed.

I also asked him to cite me defending ed, and the best he had was me wanting to explore another direction while like six people were jumping on eaed. In a situation where a seventh accomplishes nothing.

Oh bull-fucking-shit. You never went after me at all until Scare did.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Day 1 is the best day because it's where Scum are trying to build their Town persona. They don't have any past activity to go to to create themselves - it's the best day for finding Scum via reading into tone in posts.

I don't think Reg is bending backwards to save Ed, his push against the eaed train has been less "no this is a bad idea" and more of a "let's look elsewhere. Also, these arguments are bad".

And while some Scum are certainly hyper-aware of how people think of them, I think a lot of Scum tend to hope the suspicion goes away.

As for points 1 and 2, I've talked about them already.

Plum, can I just say "gut" and have you join me?

What does join you entail
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Hbthebattle posted...

Everything is turbulent. But the most logical answer to me is both (at least) reg and eaed being scum together.

connections like these from day 1 rarely ever pan out, btw.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

I mean it didn't actually go well for Chris because nobody wanted to follow up on Jedi voters
So I would suggest not starting 3 vote trains, especially if one is on someone who has done nothing at all

Please, I'm not Chris.

And hey, Scare, I promise I'll look at HB in detail if you join me on Reg here.

I already said reg is probably scum, but giving him day 1 pass because he hasn't player in ages

A courtesy pass if you will
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Eh, screw it sure
##unvote
##vote:Reg

CHOO CHOO
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

a lot of people seemed to go quiet once me and red and plum and scare all started biting at each other

When the big dogs bark the pups tuck tail
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masterplum posted...

Eh, screw it sure
##unvote
##vote:Reg

CHOO CHOO

See red
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yeah I just dont get it Scare. I think plum just likes the positive attention too much cause I don't even think hes scum.
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Hbthebattle posted...

Oh bull-fucking-shit. You never went after me at all until Scare did.

You thinking I followed Scare instead of seeing you trying to harp on shit reasons to push a lynch and voting you for it is great.

Scare's reasoning is valid, but not the same as mine. "He might've misread the wiki guys!!!" after at least three people said the host writes flavor pinged literally every alarm bell in my head. Which is exactly what I said at the time.

So, Han, you're committed to going after Eaed and Reg, in any order, at least at the moment?
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Han/plum/red I feel like all came off as town this past page.

The biting back and forth and coming g full circle to try to work with one another and stepping back back to explain positions really have me feeling like they are town. (General townread), I still have town feelings for scare as well though cureently.

Also good evening I'm here for a bit

Neablis posted...

an/plum/red I feel like all came off as town this past page.

The biting back and forth and coming g full circle to try to work with one another and stepping back back to explain positions really have me feeling like they are town. (General townread), I still have town feelings for scare as well though cureently.

Also good evening I'm here for a bit

"everyone is town".

Thats a bad mentality. The chances me/plum/han are all town are not great.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't think Reg is bending backwards to save Ed, his push against the eaed train has been less "no this is a bad idea" and more of a "let's look elsewhere. Also, these arguments are bad".

Also I'm not even sure what this is saying.

"no this is a bad idea" is dumb logic.

Saying "these arguments are bad lets looks elsewhere" seems like a reasonable thought process to me.
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red13n posted...

Neablis posted...

an/plum/red I feel like all came off as town this past page.

The biting back and forth and coming g full circle to try to work with one another and stepping back back to explain positions really have me feeling like they are town. (General townread), I still have town feelings for scare as well though cureently.

Also good evening I'm here for a bit

"everyone is town".

Thats a bad mentality. The chances me/plum/han are all town are not great.

Eh?

I dont think thats necessarily true at all. Finding town is underrated imo.
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red13n posted...

Also I'm not even sure what this is saying.

(It's saying Han walked in with the preconceived notion that I'm scum and is interpreting things to suit that conclusion)

(It's why I'm not particularly interested in bothering with him)

red13n posted...

Neablis posted...

an/plum/red I feel like all came off as town this past page.

The biting back and forth and coming g full circle to try to work with one another and stepping back back to explain positions really have me feeling like they are town. (General townread), I still have town feelings for scare as well though cureently.

Also good evening I'm here for a bit

"everyone is town".

Thats a bad mentality. The chances me/plum/han are all town are not great.

I do not think everyone is town though.
I thought the way the argument went and the conclusion felt pro town.

I do not know what else to say to that, if you think one of you three is scum I would like to know why exactly though?

masterplum posted...

red13n posted...

Neablis posted...

an/plum/red I feel like all came off as town this past page.

The biting back and forth and coming g full circle to try to work with one another and stepping back back to explain positions really have me feeling like they are town. (General townread), I still have town feelings for scare as well though cureently.

Also good evening I'm here for a bit

"everyone is town".

Thats a bad mentality. The chances me/plum/han are all town are not great.

Eh?

I dont think thats necessarily true at all. Finding town is underrated imo.

finding town is fine, thinking they are all town from one interaction set is probably faulty.
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Thats true.

Like I said, none of us have actually done anything yet.
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masterplum posted...

Eh, screw it sure
##unvote
##vote:Reg

CHOO CHOO

*snap*

Hbthebattle posted...

So, Han, you're committed to going after Eaed and Reg, in any order, at least at the moment?

Already went after eaed, like him as Scum, don't want to waste any more time pushing him. It's up to him to use the rest of the day to convince people otherwise. If we do end up lynching him (we will), and he flips Town, he at least has some time to actively pursue trains of thought without me breathing down his neck the whole time.

Reg posted...

red13n posted...

Also I'm not even sure what this is saying.

(It's saying Han walked in with the preconceived notion that I'm scum and is interpreting things to suit that conclusion)

(It's why I'm not particularly interested in bothering with him)

This is literally Reg pretending that I haven't looked at his posts at all. He's pretending I don't have a case on him.

He's so fucking obvious can we just pile on him already?

red13n posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't think Reg is bending backwards to save Ed, his push against the eaed train has been less "no this is a bad idea" and more of a "let's look elsewhere. Also, these arguments are bad".

Also I'm not even sure what this is saying.

"no this is a bad idea" is dumb logic.

Saying "these arguments are bad lets looks elsewhere" seems like a reasonable thought process to me.

I'm saying he's not full-on defending eaed, but doing it softly by ignoring a popular discussion point that others are on, while pushing a splinter without offering much.

Also, the "these arguments are bad" and "let's look elsewhere" are not joined statements.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, the "these arguments are bad" and "let's look elsewhere" are not joined statements.

thats what I got out of it. I'm saying "these arguments are bad" seems like better logic to me than the first. And unless I'm misreading, that is what you are saying Reg is saying.
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Neablis posted...

red13n posted...

Neablis posted...

an/plum/red I feel like all came off as town this past page.

The biting back and forth and coming g full circle to try to work with one another and stepping back back to explain positions really have me feeling like they are town. (General townread), I still have town feelings for scare as well though cureently.

Also good evening I'm here for a bit

"everyone is town".

Thats a bad mentality. The chances me/plum/han are all town are not great.

I do not think everyone is town though.
I thought the way the argument went and the conclusion felt pro town.

I do not know what else to say to that, if you think one of you three is scum I would like to know why exactly though?

Hes been neutral on me because I started hyper aggressive in a way
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red13n posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Also, the "these arguments are bad" and "let's look elsewhere" are not joined statements.

thats what I got out of it. I'm saying "these arguments are bad" seems like better logic to me than the first. And unless I'm misreading, that is what you are saying Reg is saying.

And it's not "these arguments are bad", it's "this argument is bad". There have been plenty of things said about eaed. The only one Reg is really defending is the flavor one.

Hence why it's a soft defense, and not a full-out "guys, eaed isn't Scum for any of these reasons and has shown no reason to be Scum".
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

This is literally Reg pretending that I haven't looked at his posts at all. He's pretending I don't have a case on him.

I'm literally not even the only one that doesn't understand that argument.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Hence why it's a soft defense, and not a full-out "guys, eaed isn't Scum for any of these reasons and has shown no reason to be Scum".

Yes it's fucking 'soft' because I don't particularly think eaed is town, I'm just opposed to seeing people pile onto a guy specifically for a terrible reason

Like, I refuse to believe you're this dense, so the only real alternative is that you're making it up/misconstruing it.

Is eaed Town or Scum? What do you think?
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Gun to my head, I'd say more likely scum than town. Which is still not going to cause me to
A) Not excercise caution over a specifically garbage aspect of it
B) Not want to explore as many avenues as possible on day 1

Personally I'm still not feeling the eaed lynch, but I could definitely go for a Reg push. I didn't like his push for IGCD. It felt very weak, and he really tried making a push over the joke phase of the day. His MZero vote still doesn't make any sense to me, and almost signifies to me if Reg is indeed scum that IGCD was just a failed lynch so he wanted to look like he was putting pressure elsewhere. Which also makes me question would a scum Reg pass up the opportunity to bus eaed if he is assumed to be scum as well? It would make more sense than randomly voting an inactive late into the first half of the day when main lynches were already being formed.

Also side note, but DYL is going under the radar heavy. This is his only post so far and it's pretty bad.

Dark Young Link posted...

Just kidding.

But I will throw down a ##Vote: IGCD.

Dude is just shitting around. I feel like he's trying to follow Scare's pace. The only difference is... Scare is actually engaging people. Scare is actually giving his thoughts about players. IGCD is not.

Seems like just an excuse to bandwagon, especially since IGCD managed to start playing a bit more seriously by the time this post was made. He throws shade at IGCD for his "shitting around" when he's at least managing to post his thoughts as opposed to sitting back all day.
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Oh forgot to lay the hammer down. ##Vote: Reg
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Reg posted...

Gun to my head, I'd say more likely scum than town. Which is still not going to cause me to
A) Not excercise caution over a specifically garbage aspect of it
B) Not want to explore as many avenues as possible on day 1

This feels like a scum post
Specifically phrasing of gun to my head
Especially if eaed is scum
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Ben posts in wrong topic that he is busy
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ScareChan posted...

Reg posted...

Gun to my head, I'd say more likely scum than town. Which is still not going to cause me to
A) Not excercise caution over a specifically garbage aspect of it
B) Not want to explore as many avenues as possible on day 1

This feels like a scum post
Specifically phrasing of gun to my head
Especially if eaed is scum

I do like this post
But it is a bad haiku
Syllables all wrong
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

ScareChan posted...

Reg posted...

Gun to my head, I'd say more likely scum than town. Which is still not going to cause me to
A) Not excercise caution over a specifically garbage aspect of it
B) Not want to explore as many avenues as possible on day 1

This feels like a scum post
Specifically phrasing of gun to my head
Especially if eaed is scum

I do like this post
But it is a bad haiku
Syllables all wrong

Its snowing on mt fugi
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Terra-enforcer posted...

I didn't like his push for IGCD. It felt very weak, and he really tried making a push over the joke phase of the day.

Congratulations, you can put one and one together to understand why I was voting igcd, but you can't put one and two together to actually link my desire to move past the joke phase with my igcd vote.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Also side note, but DYL is going under the radar heavy. This is his only post so far and it's pretty bad.

Agreed with this. It's super obnoxious because I think over half the game has less than five posts each.

also on Reg there were a few smaller weird things I noticed like
HanOfTheNekos posted...

Reg posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

This play from red and Scare feels a lot different than last games where they only became super active once accused. I think both seem pretty Town.

Definitely agree with this. Moreso on Scare than Red, but not hugely so.

Did you follow the last mafia game?

this which just makes it seem like he was reaching to justify following the same beat as several others, but in this case if you just read these posts and consider Reg hasn't played in "5 years" this makes much less sense.

@Sheep007 you were convinced Hb was sure fire town before, but what are your thoughts now? Between his more questionable push on eaed and hiding behind the "new player" excuse, wouldn't say he looks so straightforward anymore.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

ScareChan posted...

Reg posted...

Gun to my head, I'd say more likely scum than town. Which is still not going to cause me to
A) Not excercise caution over a specifically garbage aspect of it
B) Not want to explore as many avenues as possible on day 1

This feels like a scum post
Specifically phrasing of gun to my head
Especially if eaed is scum

I do like this post
But it is a bad haiku
Syllables all wrong

This feels like scum post
Phrasing of gun to my head
Very bad if ed scum

There
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Like, did Shad literally show up, make his first and only posts of the game on eaed's claim, and then disappear again?

MZero is still MIA

Gareth is literally on the player list.

Ditto Johnbobb

I think Nebalis posted in this topic?

DYL as mentioned above

etc etc

Terra-enforcer posted...

also on Reg there were a few smaller weird things I noticed like
HanOfTheNekos posted...

Reg posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

This play from red and Scare feels a lot different than last games where they only became super active once accused. I think both seem pretty Town.

Definitely agree with this. Moreso on Scare than Red, but not hugely so.

Did you follow the last mafia game?

this which just makes it seem like he was reaching to justify following the same beat as several others, but in this case if you just read these posts and consider Reg hasn't played in "5 years" this makes much less sense.

@Sheep007 you were convinced Hb was sure fire town before, but what are your thoughts now? Between his more questionable push on eaed and hiding behind the "new player" excuse, wouldn't say he looks so straightforward anymore.

What are your thoughts on battle
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