Board 8 > Persona 5 Mafia Topic 2 - The Castle of Lust

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sheep I feel has at least tried to weigh in multiple times.

But yeah Corrik especially is lazier than ever.
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The fact that the conversation has become so stagnant is disconcerting. I'm driving now i'll do my read at the office
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red13n posted...

Also I'm far from the Han is town train.

HanOfTheNekos posted...

Omg Scum literally always go "you're not as good as you think you are"

Death, Neab, can you explain why eaed's flavor is wrong so we can stick a fork in him and move on?

This is a worthless post. Han knows the value of raw flavor meta. Its worthless.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I'd think scum would have been raving on the scumboard for him to fix the flavor long before that. Not to mention, lets just get this out there, -every- host is going to provide flavor if you ask for it equal to what they've given out. Its just become a standard b8 thing. Paraphrase mistakes do happen, and honestly, they happen about equally on both sides. Unless you do something like claim literal newcomer in a game where everyone knows newcomers are scum(lol).

He does state his flavor properly later btw, but its quite awhile between his initial claim.

Han deferring hard to other people here as well. Hes placed an awful lot of trust in an awful lot of people so far.

Its not a worthless post, because I pointed out a scumtell (that you have been guilty of) and flavor meta literally should've killed half your team last game.

Like, calling that post worthless is... logically bad.
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It wasnt really flavor meta as much as it was rolename meta.
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Like, the mistake Eaed made I cant compare to the mistake Scare made back then. (Though that doesnt exactly make Eaed confirmed town either.)
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red13n posted...

Also, and I'm mostly curious on your opinion here Scare...Your mason buddy's lone contribution to the last 24 hours was a lazy vote on eaed(Who I am leaning slightly town on rereading his more contentious interaction with Han). How confident are you that hes town?

Also since he brought it up, I'm going to again stress we should make talking about replacing in topic a banned action. Because I have some meta regarding that I'd rather keep to myself now that I think about it because things like that ruin games.

At this time I believe he is town.
- I believe he would have played off out Mason thing as scum after I did so last game
- he does not feel like he did in dance of dragons where we all were there
- personal chats between me and him before makes me feel like this is not scum energy ben
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Also I've seen enough of... not enough of rik

##unvote
##vote:corrik
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htaeD posted...

Like, the mistake Eaed made I cant compare to the mistake Scare made back then. (Though that doesnt exactly make Eaed confirmed town either.)

That's fair, but also, the flavor thing I am taking into zero account when I call him Scum.

And taking the role claim into account, I mean, odds are higher, at random pick, that you draw a power or scum role as opposed to vanilla, right? So odds are, ignoring that hes acted as scum, his claim is a lie.

Anyway, hes Scum but so is Reg.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

htaeD posted...

Like, the mistake Eaed made I cant compare to the mistake Scare made back then. (Though that doesnt exactly make Eaed confirmed town either.)

That's fair, but also, the flavor thing I am taking into zero account when I call him Scum.

And taking the role claim into account, I mean, odds are higher, at random pick, that you draw a power or scum role as opposed to vanilla, right? So odds are, ignoring that hes acted as scum, his claim is a lie.

Anyway, hes Scum but so is Reg.

Get on corrik

Also what do you think about battle
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And taking the role claim into account, I mean, odds are higher, at random pick, that you draw a power or scum role as opposed to vanilla, right? So odds are, ignoring that hes acted as scum, his claim is a lie.

Excuse me, but what?
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htaeD posted...

And taking the role claim into account, I mean, odds are higher, at random pick, that you draw a power or scum role as opposed to vanilla, right? So odds are, ignoring that hes acted as scum, his claim is a lie.

Excuse me, but what?

Vanilla is most common role but he is saying vanilla vs rest of the game which is close to 2-1 usually for our games
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.....
I dont get that sentence either.
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red13n posted...

Also I think I actually skipped over Ashethan on that list simply because hes first. He fits on there too. Thats way too many people being inactive.

qft

Also speaking of inactives hi Mzero do you want to provide literally anything actionable instead of just showing up to claim you exist and disappearing again?

Or anybody else Red mentioned?

Or Corrik, as Scare already pointed out?

At random, you are more likely to be power or Scum than vanilla. I mean, you're also more likely to be any other role than the one you are, so it doesn't really matter, but eh.

ScareChan posted...

HanOfTheNekos posted...

htaeD posted...

Like, the mistake Eaed made I cant compare to the mistake Scare made back then. (Though that doesnt exactly make Eaed confirmed town either.)

That's fair, but also, the flavor thing I am taking into zero account when I call him Scum.

And taking the role claim into account, I mean, odds are higher, at random pick, that you draw a power or scum role as opposed to vanilla, right? So odds are, ignoring that hes acted as scum, his claim is a lie.

Anyway, hes Scum but so is Reg.

Get on corrik

Also what do you think about battle

So he can say "I'm doing things" and waste our time more?
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Oh....

Meh
Probability is and always has been a useless argument.

Also are you saying we should never try to go after Corrik?
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Yes. I am saying that you should never, ever, go after Corrik. Ever.
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Im absurdly sick. Ill be around at deadline
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Hey Death, I don't feel good about you at the moment.
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Which clearly means I am town
:P

Though I will confess I have fallen for several tempting distractions lately.
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Oh no I broke the game
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Ooh only 1 second off there

Anyway. Dont worry too much. You will hear more from me once I am done with work and stuff.
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Sorry I've not been more active. Been busy with work. But I've been following along when I can, and should be able to be more active now.

I don't see what was so bad about Ed's claim. He mixed his text up a little, but given that he hasn't played Persona 5, I could see him doing that. His response afterward makes me a lot more concerned. But does Scum Ed go after Scare, one of the top players, like that? Watching him as scum in TV Crossover, he seemed a lot less proactive. He sort of let things happen and avoided getting lynched because he didn't claim. I mean his first vote wasn't great, but does scum Ed stir the pot that early when he doesn't have to?

Red's right in that we shouldn't just 'town confirm' so easily. Especially not on day 1 before we've had a single flip.

Reg's early defensiveness still strikes me as a bit off. I don't remember playing with him that well, though I don't seem to remember him being defensive. He also says that he doesn't want the day to stagnate, but he's not really pushed HB that much (despite that being where his vote has been). instead choosing to discuss inactives (Okay, fair. I'm one of them. And we do need more activity). HB is still pretty new, right? I mean I could definitely see a newer player seeing that and thinking "Aha! Gotcha scum!" on Ed's mix up. Even if other players were saying that the host writes fakeclaims. If HB were a hardened vet, I'd be concerned about him. But so far I've mostly liked his posts.

Corrik not being around is strange, since he's usually the most active. But scum corrik is usually very manipulative. I think he plays a very psychological game. Town Corrik does too, though. His playstyle seems to change from game to game.

Does MZero still always roll scum? I know he rolled town in my game, but has he started rolling town more often? I know he's usually excited to play town. Then again, he might just be busy like me.

For now, I think I'll throw my vote on Reg. ##Vote: Reg

Of all the players so far, he's stood out the most to me in a negative way. His case on HB is a bit weak, and without any teeth.
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Corrik would afk day 1 as either alignment. If he doesn't participate, hes not going to. And even though we certainly have an argument for "not meaningful content", there's a few players ahead of him on that list atm
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Sorta
But I'd say his activity is sad even compared to the last game where his rooftop got damaged.
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Votals, as of #224
eaed [4] - (Han), Neablis, IGCD, ben, (Scare), Hb
Reg [4] - (IGCD), Han, plum, Terra, Ashe
Hb [2] - (Scare), Reg, eaed
IGCD [2] - red, (Reg), (ben), DYL
Corrik [1] - (plum), Scare
Johnbobb [1] - MZero
Sheep [1] - Corrik
Death [0] - (plum)
MZero [0] - (Scare), (Reg)
Scare [0] - (Corrik), (eaed)

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch. Day ends at 8:00 PM EST on Tuesday, December 18th, approximately eight and a half hours from now.
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htaeD posted...

Sorta
But I'd say his activity is sad even compared to the last game where his rooftop got damaged.

True. But he was also scum, that game.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Doesn't it seem weird how Reg and Eaed jumped on me as soon as they were provided another option?

Because that's literally what hombad and i did on Jedi last game.

And literally what you did on me this game. You're squirming right now.

Who was he on before you?
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Terra-enforcer posted...

@Sheep007 you were convinced Hb was sure fire town before, but what are your thoughts now? Between his more questionable push on eaed and hiding behind the "new player" excuse, wouldn't say he looks so straightforward anymore

I'm not quite as sure now, although my initial read was strong. Still lean town but definitely not so heavily.
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red13n posted...

Bringing back old feuds, it has not been lost on me that IGCD had an opportunity to try to play for reals but did not make much of an attempt.

I got bored, I am currently catching up.
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I don't like Han the most right now.

##Unvote

If Ed flips scum some of that distrust will be alleviated but right now I feel Han could really be scum here.
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Hey guys. Tried to log in earlier, internet was down. Looking over what I missed from topic 1 now.
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Yeah sorry everyone, I just got out of my exam today and I have one more tomorrow ending at 9:30. I'll read over what I missed, but I really can't be too terribly active until that's done. After that I will be able to actually contribute things though.
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Ashethan posted...

Reg's early defensiveness still strikes me as a bit off. I don't remember playing with him that well, though I don't seem to remember him being defensive.

I used to be a man who only knew how to attack and yell at people, which was unnecessarily stressful for me and bad for the game as a whole.

Though I'd still hardly categorize my play as defensive. Like, people are latching on to the single post I made with Scare for this, right? The one where I complained about shitposting and pointed out I was actually looking for something in my interactions? It's getting a lot annoying that people are misconstruing that as anything other than venting my annoyance with the day 1 joke phase.

Ashethan posted...

but he's not really pushed HB that much (despite that being where his vote has been)

Can't say I haven't tried, but he keeps misunderstanding/lying about why I voted him to begin with, I call him out on it whenever he does, and nobody else seems to notice.

Ashethan posted...

I mean I could definitely see a newer player seeing that and thinking "Aha! Gotcha scum!" on Ed's mix up. Even if other players were saying that the host writes fakeclaims. If HB were a hardened vet, I'd be concerned about him. But so far I've mostly liked his posts.

And you can't see newer scum latching onto that? Because it definitely read to me as he knew it was tenuous at best but wanted to push that aspect anyways. Even after being told not to. And that's what tipped me off that he might not be town.

Also IGCD is actually, literally useless 'oh'

Wait all the useless giys are all coming out of the woodwork at once

This could be really good for the game!

Oh hai Mark
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Reg, you never went after me until AFTER Scare did. Thats why I dont buy your reasoning.
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The only thing that gives me pause in Ed's defense is that he keeps stressing that he can't wait till Han is proven wrong by his flip. That seems like kind of genuine annoyance with Han. I really don't get any town motivation from anything Corrik has said so far. And Reg I would happily kill as I have gotten scum vibes from him since page 1. Though I see a lot of people are saying they suspect him too, and I don't feel very original anymore.

##Unvote

##Vote: Reg
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

I don't like Han the most right now.

##Unvote

If Ed flips scum some of that distrust will be alleviated but right now I feel Han could really be scum here.

What don't you like?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Reg, you never went after me until AFTER Scare did. Thats why I dont buy your reasoning.

You're so full of shit it hurts. I did not follow Scare, and my logic has nothing to do with Scare. But you keep pretending both of those are the case.

You know what? I trust Han. Im totally willing to go for Reg today and eaed tomorrow.

##Unvote
##Vote: Reg
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Also 'oh' one of the useless idle sacks of shit shows up and jumps on me.

This train is so blatantly scum driven, it's sort of funny.

I feel like Han is getting built up to be the last second push like Chris was last game. I dont really have a problem with Han. If he's trying to misdirect us, it'd be obvious in time. And he's playing with enough spirit that if town he gets nightkilled tonight tbh
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Reg posted...

Also 'oh' one of the useless idle sacks of shit shows up and jumps on me.

This train is so blatantly scum driven, it's sort of funny.

Excuse me, I'm in THE OFFICIAL notebook OF CONFIRMED TOWN

But really, who all do you think is scum on you?
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The Chris push last game wasnt scumdriven.
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Hbthebattle posted...

You know what? I trust Han. Im totally willing to go for Reg today and eaed tomorrow.

##Unvote
##Vote: Reg

If I didn't already think you were town I'd have problems with what you said. But eh
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Doesn't it seem weird how Reg and Eaed jumped on me as soon as they were provided another option?

Because that's literally what hombad and i did on Jedi last game.

And literally what you did on me this game. You're squirming right now.

Who was he on before you?

He was not but my point was twofold. One, he jumped onto a lynch that was already building with very little evidence and he reacted to pressure as if he was the lynch leader when at the time I had 6 votes and he only had three. I mean under three votes this is the same man who was desperate enough to bring my kids into the game. I definitely feel as if it is worth putting more votes here and while I am not in a position of power to demand these kind of things I would urge everyone to consider it.

I am trying my best to keep up to date guys but we had a payroll emergency today and I run the payroll software so I am doing my best to stay up to date and hope to have some commentary for you soon.
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Hbthebattle posted...

The Chris push last game wasnt scumdriven.

I'm not gonna claim a Han one would be either. Seems more misguided/paranoia driven, just like last game
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Reg posted...

Also IGCD is actually, literally useless 'oh'

k
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eaedwards6400 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

Hbthebattle posted...

Doesn't it seem weird how Reg and Eaed jumped on me as soon as they were provided another option?

Because that's literally what hombad and i did on Jedi last game.

And literally what you did on me this game. You're squirming right now.

Who was he on before you?

He was not but my point was twofold. One, he jumped onto a lynch that was already building with very little evidence and he reacted to pressure as if he was the lynch leader when at the time I had 6 votes and he only had three. I mean under three votes this is the same man who was desperate enough to bring my kids into the game. I definitely feel as if it is worth putting more votes here and while I am not in a position of power to demand these kind of things I would urge everyone to consider it.

I am trying my best to keep up to date guys but we had a payroll emergency today and I run the payroll software so I am doing my best to stay up to date and hope to have some commentary for you soon.

I think he was commenting on the fact you said you were leaving. Your kids were not the subject of the sentence. I dont think it;s fair to say he used them as any sort of ammo or anything like that.
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benjamin3740 posted...

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I don't like Han the most right now.

##Unvote

If Ed flips scum some of that distrust will be alleviated but right now I feel Han could really be scum here.

What don't you like?

I don't know. I've never been good at articulating my opinions in mafia.
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