Poll of the Day > Which of these things has a higher probability of happening?

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I'm not really into conspiracies but curious to know which one is considered more plausible.
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I voted 2, but 2 or 4. The fact that we're aware of 4 means it's only a matter of time (hah) before they figure out a way to manipulate it. 1 and 3 are ridiculous.
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I don't see any conspiracies here.
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A.I. one

1
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1 if we find microbial life fossils on Mars.
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Ai is already happening.

I think it will have to be refined a little bit. All the pieces of a self aware ai are there, it just has to be put together by someone who roughly understands how a human brain works.
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2 is already well underway, if you relax the definition of "threaten" to include "destabilize the economy and leave vast swaths of people unable to use the professional skills they've developed to make money."

xjayguyx posted...

A.I. one

Good call son.
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The second one.
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AI, but aliens are a very close second.

These arent conspiracies, literally things that will become public knowledge within our lifetime.
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FatalAccident posted...

AI, but aliens are a very close second.

These arent conspiracies, literally things that will become public knowledge within our lifetime.

I believe they exist. But I dont think theyre that close...
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1 and 2 are tied for me. As for 3, I don't think it necessarily has to be The Illuminati, but some sort of secret club thing for rich and powerful people really doesn't sound impossible.

4 Seems like the least likely to ever happen. I feel like just the dimensions portion of that would require us to evolve in some way.
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AI will never become smart enough to threaten us. In order for that to happen, we first have to build an AI capable of doing so -- and we are not smart enough to do that.
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LinkPizza posted...

FatalAccident posted...

AI, but aliens are a very close second.

These arent conspiracies, literally things that will become public knowledge within our lifetime.

I believe they exist. But I dont think theyre that close...

I believe as well, but I don't think it will happen within our lifetimes.

Some of the greatest scientific minds, such as Stephen Hawking and Neil deGrasse Tyson, are legitimately afraid of what may happen if AI becomes too advanced. If they are afraid of it, then we should be too.

Alien life almost certainly exists, and I don't think it is a matter of if it is discovered but rather when. I think within the next 500 years, our space traveling capabilities will have advanced enough that we will have discovered alien life, if they don't discover us first.

Flappers posted...

AI will never become smart enough to threaten us. In order for that to happen, we first have to build an AI capable of doing so -- and we are not smart enough to do that.

You just have to set up the framework and let machine learning do the rest. You basically have to define it's goals, its goal being a hardwired inclination to fit in with humanity.

Take engaging with a person with eye contact. You hard wire a natural ability to calculate what a pair of eyes are looking at and give it the red flag that they're looking at you, then they sort out what that means by observing social interaction.

I've seen most attempts at ai and I can say I've yet to see all of our technology put together. Neural networks are a new technology.
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Yellow posted...

Flappers posted...

AI will never become smart enough to threaten us. In order for that to happen, we first have to build an AI capable of doing so -- and we are not smart enough to do that.

You just have to set up the framework and let machine learning do the rest. You basically have to define it's goals, its goal being a hardwired inclination to fit in with humanity.

Take engaging with a person with eye contact. You hard wire a natural ability to calculate what a pair of eyes are looking at and give it the red flag that they're looking at you, then they sort out what that means by observing social interaction.

I've seen most attempts at ai and I can say I've yet to see all of our technology put together. Neural networks are a new technology.

By definition, a machine can only do what it is programmed to do. It cannot "learn and grow" beyond the capacities of what we want it to do or what it is made to do. It would take a Godlike ability to manufacture a machine that essentially functions as a human mind, and if hypothetically we had the ability to do so, we would be smart enough to also create a preventative to it ever going wrong.
I'm honestly surprised by how many people believe AI can and will take us over. It's easy to be dazzled by our advancing technologies and perfectly human to imagine how impressively it will improve, but people have always thought this way. Keep in mind, back in the 1980s they thought we'd have flying cars and self-lacing shoes by now. "AI will enslave us" is the modern day equivalence of that absurdity, and nothing more.
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Flappers posted...

By definition, a machine can only do what it is programmed to do. It cannot "learn and grow" beyond the capacities of what we want it to do or what it is made to do.

People constantly make human brains when they reproduce, I don't think the "you can't stuff a box in a smaller box" argument works here. It's not an entropy based rule. Neural networks are exactly the type of machine you say isn't possible, they become more complex than any human could understand. You should see the things they can do. As a matter of fact, I'd say the programs people have made resemble parts of a brain wired to a computer.

A machine made manually would, like you said, be near impossible. Neural networks do the heavy lifting for us, what's left for us to do is understand how the pieces fit together, and what they should do.

What we need is a very smart psychologist to get together with a very talented programmer.

From what I've seen, an ai done right would have no desire for power, and therefore be no threat. Power is a human desire hard wired to our brains, it's not a fundamental part of intelligence. Likewise, paranoia is also hard wired, people expect the worst out of instinct.
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I don't #1 as being true. I don't believe that #3 is a thing. #4 is cool, but unlikely. #2 is something that *could* potentially happen but.... even that's a long shot.
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1 may come as either fossils on Mars, or as living creatures on Europa.

2 is quite likely to happen in our lifetimes.
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2's actually happening. Autonomous vehicles are already threatening lives.
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1.

I feel like we've explored pretty much all the possibilities for 2 in science fiction stories. I'd like to think we'd know not to fuck up that much.
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Ha trick question. #1 and #4 already happened and #3 occurs when #2 launches its singularity in 2028.
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Flappers posted...

Yellow posted...

Flappers posted...

AI will never become smart enough to threaten us. In order for that to happen, we first have to build an AI capable of doing so -- and we are not smart enough to do that.

You just have to set up the framework and let machine learning do the rest. You basically have to define it's goals, its goal being a hardwired inclination to fit in with humanity.

Take engaging with a person with eye contact. You hard wire a natural ability to calculate what a pair of eyes are looking at and give it the red flag that they're looking at you, then they sort out what that means by observing social interaction.

I've seen most attempts at ai and I can say I've yet to see all of our technology put together. Neural networks are a new technology.

By definition, a machine can only do what it is programmed to do. It cannot "learn and grow" beyond the capacities of what we want it to do or what it is made to do. It would take a Godlike ability to manufacture a machine that essentially functions as a human mind, and if hypothetically we had the ability to do so, we would be smart enough to also create a preventative to it ever going wrong.
I'm honestly surprised by how many people believe AI can and will take us over. It's easy to be dazzled by our advancing technologies and perfectly human to imagine how impressively it will improve, but people have always thought this way. Keep in mind, back in the 1980s they thought we'd have flying cars and self-lacing shoes by now. "AI will enslave us" is the modern day equivalence of that absurdity, and nothing more.

I think you're extremely naive/uneducated about A.I. we already have machines that can do many things better than we can. And we actually do have flying cars. It just turns out they arent extremely practical compared to regular cars

OhhhJa posted...

Flappers posted...

Yellow posted...

Flappers posted...

AI will never become smart enough to threaten us. In order for that to happen, we first have to build an AI capable of doing so -- and we are not smart enough to do that.

You just have to set up the framework and let machine learning do the rest. You basically have to define it's goals, its goal being a hardwired inclination to fit in with humanity.

Take engaging with a person with eye contact. You hard wire a natural ability to calculate what a pair of eyes are looking at and give it the red flag that they're looking at you, then they sort out what that means by observing social interaction.

I've seen most attempts at ai and I can say I've yet to see all of our technology put together. Neural networks are a new technology.

By definition, a machine can only do what it is programmed to do. It cannot "learn and grow" beyond the capacities of what we want it to do or what it is made to do. It would take a Godlike ability to manufacture a machine that essentially functions as a human mind, and if hypothetically we had the ability to do so, we would be smart enough to also create a preventative to it ever going wrong.
I'm honestly surprised by how many people believe AI can and will take us over. It's easy to be dazzled by our advancing technologies and perfectly human to imagine how impressively it will improve, but people have always thought this way. Keep in mind, back in the 1980s they thought we'd have flying cars and self-lacing shoes by now. "AI will enslave us" is the modern day equivalence of that absurdity, and nothing more.

I think you're extremely naive/uneducated about A.I. we already have machines that can do many things better than we can. And we actually do have flying cars. It just turns out they arent extremely practical compared to regular cars

Sure, there's no denying we have created truly remarkable things, and I certainly am no expert. That's not the question, though. Do you really think that artificial intelligence will ever truly threaten humanity? Agree to disagree if you do, but in my opinion this is near tinfoil-hat levels of thinking. It makes good movie and comic book ideas, but I don't think it's possible. Although I will say I can see why people can believe it. I myself just don't look at such inventions and think "this will be the end of us".
As a vague notion and conversation piece, okay -- but as a serious belief? Now, that's just silly...

I'd say finding alien life is more likely. Although I don't think it'll be the advanced life-form UFO alien that we think it to be. I think if it's possible for life to exist on other planets, then it will, but it will be basic and evolving. There's a whole universe out there, it's hard to believe that in its vastness, our Earth is the only thing that houses biological life.
Microscopic life on other planets seems like such a fascinating concept to me...
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I don't get the AI one. What's stopping us from just pulling their plug if they start to threaten us?
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What if we are AI?
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SunWuKung420 posted...

What if we are AI?

I've said before humans are just biological computers that just have easily corruptable memory.
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Flappers posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Flappers posted...

Yellow posted...

Flappers posted...

AI will never become smart enough to threaten us. In order for that to happen, we first have to build an AI capable of doing so -- and we are not smart enough to do that.

You just have to set up the framework and let machine learning do the rest. You basically have to define it's goals, its goal being a hardwired inclination to fit in with humanity.

Take engaging with a person with eye contact. You hard wire a natural ability to calculate what a pair of eyes are looking at and give it the red flag that they're looking at you, then they sort out what that means by observing social interaction.

I've seen most attempts at ai and I can say I've yet to see all of our technology put together. Neural networks are a new technology.

By definition, a machine can only do what it is programmed to do. It cannot "learn and grow" beyond the capacities of what we want it to do or what it is made to do. It would take a Godlike ability to manufacture a machine that essentially functions as a human mind, and if hypothetically we had the ability to do so, we would be smart enough to also create a preventative to it ever going wrong.
I'm honestly surprised by how many people believe AI can and will take us over. It's easy to be dazzled by our advancing technologies and perfectly human to imagine how impressively it will improve, but people have always thought this way. Keep in mind, back in the 1980s they thought we'd have flying cars and self-lacing shoes by now. "AI will enslave us" is the modern day equivalence of that absurdity, and nothing more.

I think you're extremely naive/uneducated about A.I. we already have machines that can do many things better than we can. And we actually do have flying cars. It just turns out they arent extremely practical compared to regular cars

Sure, there's no denying we have created truly remarkable things, and I certainly am no expert. That's not the question, though. Do you really think that artificial intelligence will ever truly threaten humanity? Agree to disagree if you do, but in my opinion this is near tinfoil-hat levels of thinking. It makes good movie and comic book ideas, but I don't think it's possible. Although I will say I can see why people can believe it. I myself just don't look at such inventions and think "this will be the end of us".
As a vague notion and conversation piece, okay -- but as a serious belief? Now, that's just silly...

I'd say finding alien life is more likely. Although I don't think it'll be the advanced life-form UFO alien that we think it to be. I think if it's possible for life to exist on other planets, then it will, but it will be basic and evolving. There's a whole universe out there, it's hard to believe that in its vastness, our Earth is the only thing that houses biological life.
Microscopic life on other planets seems like such a fascinating concept to me...

Call it tin foil hat if you'd like but there's no denying the increasingly rapid advancement of A.I. in the past decade and theres no reason to think it's going to come to a halt. A.I. and computers in general are modeled directly after our brains. I see no real reason to believe that we cant eventually program A.I. to learn and create. They already do that to some extent

Judgmenl posted...

2's actually happening. Autonomous vehicles are already threatening lives.

True. Theyre running over people. We keep saying they're accidents... Thats exactly what the cars want us to think...
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2, 1, 4, 3.

OhhhJa posted...

Call it tin foil hat if you'd like but there's no denying the increasingly rapid advancement of A.I. in the past decade and theres no reason to think it's going to come to a halt. A.I. and computers in general are modeled directly after our brains. I see no real reason to believe that we cant eventually program A.I. to learn and create. They already do that to some extent

Didn't I say that there's no denying how we have made remarkable things? I suppose I could see an AI of such capacity being possible in the future... But again, that's not the question -- the question is if you think it will ever threaten humanity, which I don't think it will.
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Flappers posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Call it tin foil hat if you'd like but there's no denying the increasingly rapid advancement of A.I. in the past decade and theres no reason to think it's going to come to a halt. A.I. and computers in general are modeled directly after our brains. I see no real reason to believe that we cant eventually program A.I. to learn and create. They already do that to some extent

Didn't I say that there's no denying how we have made remarkable things? I suppose I could see an AI of such capacity being possible in the future... But again, that's not the question -- the question is if you think it will ever threaten humanity, which I don't think it will.

I think it's possible but we'll have to wait and see. If we get to the point where A.I. are that advanced, then someone will inevitably weaponize it. Someone creating malicious A.I. seems pretty inevitable if we get to that point

OhhhJa posted...

Flappers posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Call it tin foil hat if you'd like but there's no denying the increasingly rapid advancement of A.I. in the past decade and theres no reason to think it's going to come to a halt. A.I. and computers in general are modeled directly after our brains. I see no real reason to believe that we cant eventually program A.I. to learn and create. They already do that to some extent

Didn't I say that there's no denying how we have made remarkable things? I suppose I could see an AI of such capacity being possible in the future... But again, that's not the question -- the question is if you think it will ever threaten humanity, which I don't think it will.

I think it's possible but we'll have to wait and see. If we get to the point where A.I. are that advanced, then someone will inevitably weaponize it. Someone creating malicious A.I. seems pretty inevitable if we get to that point

Through the usage of a twisted human weaponizing it, then I could see that. But the AI deciding on its own to overthrow humanity? Pure science fiction.
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Flappers posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Flappers posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Call it tin foil hat if you'd like but there's no denying the increasingly rapid advancement of A.I. in the past decade and theres no reason to think it's going to come to a halt. A.I. and computers in general are modeled directly after our brains. I see no real reason to believe that we cant eventually program A.I. to learn and create. They already do that to some extent

Didn't I say that there's no denying how we have made remarkable things? I suppose I could see an AI of such capacity being possible in the future... But again, that's not the question -- the question is if you think it will ever threaten humanity, which I don't think it will.

I think it's possible but we'll have to wait and see. If we get to the point where A.I. are that advanced, then someone will inevitably weaponize it. Someone creating malicious A.I. seems pretty inevitable if we get to that point

Through the usage of a twisted human weaponizing it, then I could see that. But the AI deciding on its own to overthrow humanity? Pure science fiction.

So I take it you dont believe self aware A.I. will ever be a reality? If you do believe that may be possible then I dont see why you would think it being a malevolent force is out of the realm of possibility

I think I've spoken enough of my own opinions. It was an okay enough debate but I think I'm done. We won't get anywhere, so agree to disagree. This topic is 90% just us talking about it anyway...
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Flappers posted...

I think I've spoken enough of my own opinions. It was an okay enough debate but I think I'm done. We won't get anywhere, so agree to disagree. This topic is 90% just us talking about it anyway...

Lol alright that's cool. Its a simple question though. You've been kind of vague on a lot of your posts but I get it. I dont always have the energy for discussions on forums

A.I. It's already happening.
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