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Nidhoggr
12/12/18 9:28:43 AM
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I don't want to be accused of being racist so I need to know this before I go around saying it.
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t_paynes_ghost
12/12/18 9:29:05 AM
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Yes but you're not allowed to say it.
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eston
12/12/18 9:30:13 AM
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I don't really get the whole racial pride thing tbqh

Your skin color isn't an accomplishment
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Fony
12/12/18 9:32:44 AM
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Do you have an Asian spouse?
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Veggeta X
12/12/18 9:34:34 AM
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Being proud of being White is too broad and has a negative stigma to it. Why not say you're proud of where you come from or who you are such as being Irish or Spaniard or some specific European?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/12/18 9:34:47 AM
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eston posted...
Your skin color isn't an accomplishment


This
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Umbreon
12/12/18 9:37:18 AM
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*Looks at profile avatar*

Hrm.....

But I'll answer this the same way I'd tell anyone else of any other color.

I never understood the "pride" in being born with a paticular skin color. You did absolutely nothing to be born that way, and should instead be proud of your actual accomplishments.
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Nidhoggr
12/12/18 9:37:43 AM
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Umbreon posted...
*Looks at profile avatar*

Hrm.....

Huh?
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t_paynes_ghost
12/12/18 9:38:01 AM
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eston posted...
I don't really get the whole racial pride thing tbqh

Your skin color isn't an accomplishment


This is the real answer tbqh.
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pinky0926
12/12/18 9:40:14 AM
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People celebrate being black/gay/female/other minority because for long periods of time until recent history simply being one of those things was a crime, societal or otherwise.

Being proud to be [marginalised minority] is saying "I am so glad that I can do this now, and will not be oppressed anymore". That doesn't exactly apply to you being white does it? That's never been a problem. It's great to be white, but it's not an achievement, and it's not really something that has ever needed celebrating.

You're basically like a guy who's reflex to hearing a friend say "we're finally having a baby after 3 miscarriages!" is "woah there hunny, I've had a kid too so what's your problem?"
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HokagoTeaTime
12/12/18 9:40:23 AM
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Who needs white pride when you have GameFAQs karma?
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darkphoenix181
12/12/18 9:41:43 AM
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HokagoTeaTime posted...
Who needs white pride when you have GameFAQs karma?


Who needs white pride when you can just flex your privilege by checking it in public?
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Dyinglegacy
12/12/18 9:42:55 AM
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Nidhoggr posted...
Umbreon posted...
*Looks at profile avatar*

Hrm.....

Huh?


The OK sign is not okay around these parts.

Anyway, being proud of your color is kinda dumb. It's likely more socially acceptable if you're any color other than white, which is hypocritical and stupid. People would likely be more inclined to assume some sort of racist connotation in a white person spouting "I'm proud to be white" as opposed to a black person saying "I'm proud to be black".
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tremain07
12/12/18 9:43:12 AM
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What's the point of topics like this when the answer is yes? The thing you are not allowed to do is claim your race is superior to others even if for some reasons you believe it to be factually true.
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averagejoel
12/12/18 9:43:37 AM
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Umbreon posted...
*Looks at profile avatar*

Hrm.....

But I'll answer this the same way I'd tell anyone else of any other color.

I never understood the "pride" in being born with a paticular skin color. You did absolutely nothing to be born that way, and should instead be proud of your actual accomplishments.

with black pride, "pride" is understood to mean the opposite of "shame."

white people have never been marginalized, so there's no historical context there other than white supremacy
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Romulox28
12/12/18 9:44:45 AM
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Starks
12/12/18 9:46:05 AM
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Nidhoggr posted...
I don't want to be accused of being racist so I need to know this before I go around saying it.

White pride is usually expressed at the expense of others or arbitrarily defining who is white.
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averagejoel
12/12/18 9:48:45 AM
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oh also, black people have a common experience in the US of dealing with racism. there is no similar common experience among white people (this is also why "white culture" is not a thing)
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Dyinglegacy
12/12/18 9:48:55 AM
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averagejoel posted...
with black pride, "pride" is understood to mean the opposite of "shame."

white people have never been marginalized, so there's no historical context there other than white supremacy


That doesn't have to be true. I think it's dumb to have pride about skin color, but a white person doing it doesn't have to mean that they are a white supremacist. It's lunacy to default to that.
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Raikuro
12/12/18 9:54:45 AM
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Why would an English person be proud of random French or German or Swedish people just because they have similar skin color
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averagejoel
12/12/18 9:59:50 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
with black pride, "pride" is understood to mean the opposite of "shame."

white people have never been marginalized, so there's no historical context there other than white supremacy


That doesn't have to be true. I think it's dumb to have pride about skin color, but a white person doing it doesn't have to mean that they are a white supremacist. It's lunacy to default to that.

these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. there is history. it's not defaulting to that
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averagejoel
12/12/18 10:00:19 AM
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Raikuro posted...
Why would an English person be proud of random French or German or Swedish people just because they have similar skin color

white supremacy
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HypnoCoosh
12/12/18 10:01:23 AM
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It's OK to be white.
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Dyinglegacy
12/12/18 10:08:39 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
with black pride, "pride" is understood to mean the opposite of "shame."

white people have never been marginalized, so there's no historical context there other than white supremacy


That doesn't have to be true. I think it's dumb to have pride about skin color, but a white person doing it doesn't have to mean that they are a white supremacist. It's lunacy to default to that.

these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. there is history. it's not defaulting to that


Even where these concept are prevalent and history exists, that doesn't have to dictate why a person feels the way they do. As I stated. I think it's dumb, but a person who feels pride for being whatever color they are doesn't have to mean they are a supremacist.
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SSJCAT
12/12/18 10:09:25 AM
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who takes pride in their skin color lol shit is dumb af
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creativerealms
12/12/18 10:15:23 AM
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Of course you are. Just it's often used as a code word to keep other people down.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/12/18 10:15:42 AM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
It's OK to be white.


Says the guy who posted racist shit in caution's racist discord...
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averagejoel
12/12/18 10:18:14 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
with black pride, "pride" is understood to mean the opposite of "shame."

white people have never been marginalized, so there's no historical context there other than white supremacy


That doesn't have to be true. I think it's dumb to have pride about skin color, but a white person doing it doesn't have to mean that they are a white supremacist. It's lunacy to default to that.

these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. there is history. it's not defaulting to that


Even where these concept are prevalent and history exists, that doesn't have to dictate why a person feels the way they do. As I stated. I think it's dumb, but a person who feels pride for being whatever color they are doesn't have to mean they are a supremacist.

at this point in time, it is not possible to divorce "white pride" from white supremacy
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Dyinglegacy
12/12/18 10:19:42 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
with black pride, "pride" is understood to mean the opposite of "shame."

white people have never been marginalized, so there's no historical context there other than white supremacy


That doesn't have to be true. I think it's dumb to have pride about skin color, but a white person doing it doesn't have to mean that they are a white supremacist. It's lunacy to default to that.

these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. there is history. it's not defaulting to that


Even where these concept are prevalent and history exists, that doesn't have to dictate why a person feels the way they do. As I stated. I think it's dumb, but a person who feels pride for being whatever color they are doesn't have to mean they are a supremacist.

at this point in time, it is not possible to divorce "white pride" from white supremacy


Not possible for you, maybe. Not for everyone.
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Superlinkbro
12/12/18 10:25:06 AM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
eston posted...
Your skin color isn't an accomplishment


This

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averagejoel
12/12/18 10:25:08 AM
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Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
with black pride, "pride" is understood to mean the opposite of "shame."

white people have never been marginalized, so there's no historical context there other than white supremacy


That doesn't have to be true. I think it's dumb to have pride about skin color, but a white person doing it doesn't have to mean that they are a white supremacist. It's lunacy to default to that.

these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. there is history. it's not defaulting to that


Even where these concept are prevalent and history exists, that doesn't have to dictate why a person feels the way they do. As I stated. I think it's dumb, but a person who feels pride for being whatever color they are doesn't have to mean they are a supremacist.

at this point in time, it is not possible to divorce "white pride" from white supremacy


Not possible for you, maybe. Not for everyone.

anyone who thinks they can separate them is either ignorant or racist. or, more likely, both.

maybe at some point in the future, the terms could become distinct from each other. that's certainly not the case now, and it won't be any time soon.
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Umbreon
12/12/18 10:25:29 AM
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White pride doesn't necessarily have racist connotations...

But it often did in history, thus people are going to question why you have it if you openly state that you do. The growing number of(self admitted) white supremacists won't do you any favors either.
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
12/12/18 10:25:52 AM
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You can be proud of your heritage, same as anyone.
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WalktotheMoon
12/12/18 10:26:58 AM
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No TC. If you're a straight, one gender'ed white male, you're the scum of the universe.
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ThyCorndog
12/12/18 10:27:42 AM
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what about being white are you proud of exactly?

it's funny cause it's pretty much an american thing. in europe they're proud of their specific ethnicities if anything
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pauIie
12/12/18 10:29:52 AM
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pride is because of groups being marginalized. so no. and especially not with that avatar.
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nemu
12/12/18 10:32:30 AM
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Yes, but it's a dumb as anyone having pride in their skin color. The kind of collectivism currently going on is just stupid.
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Dyinglegacy
12/12/18 10:35:00 AM
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averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
Dyinglegacy posted...
averagejoel posted...
with black pride, "pride" is understood to mean the opposite of "shame."

white people have never been marginalized, so there's no historical context there other than white supremacy


That doesn't have to be true. I think it's dumb to have pride about skin color, but a white person doing it doesn't have to mean that they are a white supremacist. It's lunacy to default to that.

these concepts don't exist in a vacuum. there is history. it's not defaulting to that


Even where these concept are prevalent and history exists, that doesn't have to dictate why a person feels the way they do. As I stated. I think it's dumb, but a person who feels pride for being whatever color they are doesn't have to mean they are a supremacist.

at this point in time, it is not possible to divorce "white pride" from white supremacy


Not possible for you, maybe. Not for everyone.

anyone who thinks they can separate them is either ignorant or racist. or, more likely, both.

maybe at some point in the future, the terms could become distinct from each other. that's certainly not the case now, and it won't be any time soon.


lol. I'm neither of those, and I can separate them. My first thought when I see someone say I'm proud to be (insert color) is "That's kinda dumb.". It's definitely NOT "That person must be a supremacist.".

Again. Not possible for you to separate them. You don't speak for everyone, and you don't get to decide why or why not a person doesn't feel the same as you.
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Aressar
12/12/18 10:42:19 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
People celebrate being black/gay/female/other minority because for long periods of time until recent history simply being one of those things was a crime, societal or otherwise.

Being proud to be [marginalised minority] is saying "I am so glad that I can do this now, and will not be oppressed anymore". That doesn't exactly apply to you being white does it? That's never been a problem. It's great to be white, but it's not an achievement, and it's not really something that has ever needed celebrating.

You're basically like a guy who's reflex to hearing a friend say "we're finally having a baby after 3 miscarriages!" is "woah there hunny, I've had a kid too so what's your problem?"


Couldn't have put it better myself. Ethnically, I am half Dutch/half Indonesian, though I feel neither pride nor shame about that. It's just what I am. If I feel pride or shame about anything, it's mostly about my skills and accomplishments.
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prince_leo
12/12/18 10:42:27 AM
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ThyCorndog posted...
what about being white are you proud of exactly?

it's funny cause it's pretty much an american thing. in europe they're proud of their specific ethnicities if anything

on the other hand, around Oktoberfest or St. Patrick's Day I see a bunch of Americans talking about how they're so proud to be German/Irish despite never even going to the country or knowing anyone from there
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ThyCorndog
12/12/18 10:43:27 AM
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prince_leo posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
what about being white are you proud of exactly?

it's funny cause it's pretty much an american thing. in europe they're proud of their specific ethnicities if anything

on the other hand, around Oktoberfest or St. Patrick's Day I see a bunch of Americans talking about how they're so proud to be German/Irish despite never even going to the country or knowing anyone from there

those would be the same people who get 6% italian back on their dna test and go "omg I always knew I liked pizza for a reason"
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Esrac
12/12/18 10:44:18 AM
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You are, but other folks might not appreciate you bragging about it.
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The23rdMagus
12/12/18 1:01:48 PM
#43:


I'm proud of my heritage - which I'm fortunate enough to be able to find - but "white" is not a heritage. Irish is. Scottish is. "White" is a color.
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P4wn4g3
12/12/18 1:04:48 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
eston posted...
Your skin color isn't an accomplishment


This

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glitteringfairy
12/12/18 1:05:08 PM
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I'm proud of being white
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CEOffendsMe
12/12/18 1:05:09 PM
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Actually, you are racist TC.
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Bishop9800
12/12/18 1:07:03 PM
#47:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
It's OK to be white.


Says the guy who posted racist shit in caution's racist discord...

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P4wn4g3
12/12/18 1:11:10 PM
#48:


Bishop9800 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
It's OK to be white.


Says the guy who posted racist shit in caution's racist discord...

Actually Hypno is the Alex Jones believer. Like he literally believes a guy so crazy that he's mocked and banned from multiple places. So that's hypno for you.
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QwelzaarKane
12/12/18 1:56:11 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
I'm proud of my heritage - which I'm fortunate enough to be able to find - but "white" is not a heritage. Irish is. Scottish is. "White" is a color.


This. I can celebrate my Italian and German heritage and nobody is going to get mad. There's nothing to celebrate about being white.
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Funcoland
12/12/18 2:10:37 PM
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You're allowed to be proud of being Irish, or German, or whatever.

General white pride, not so much, since general white pride us commonly seen as a nazi thing.
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