Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1319

(+) Yeah! (+)

There are more ways to look at it. Mario's lead was bigger at this point of the match last time than in the end. Samus won the last 9 hours, though she lost the last 10.

I don't think we can make much of it though.
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Whoa okay, biggest lead since the change now. Let's see what Samus has to say about that.

Did Cloud not crush Crono overnight last time? That seems like one of the mos obvious Europe beatdowns.
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Not like that. Cloud averaged 59% overnight last time and 62% this time.
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Well yeah, alright.

Maybe Cloud gets a bit less antivotes after getting destroyed by Link?
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Mario is serious now.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I know no one's paying attention to this match but holy crap Cloud crushed Crono overnight, so it's looking like he's actually going to noticeably improve on their first match when it looked like Crono was going to be the one to do better early on.

Crono fans deserve this
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Nanis23 posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

I know no one's paying attention to this match but holy crap Cloud crushed Crono overnight, so it's looking like he's actually going to noticeably improve on their first match when it looked like Crono was going to be the one to do better early on.

Crono fans deserve this

No Crono fans care.

This was always the realistic end points.

He's behind Cloud and the Nintendo characters. That's it. It is an absolute success by Crono. Good fucking show.

Cloud could win 70-30 I wouldn't care

let's

a

go
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cheating Mario strikes again!!
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The "Mario Clutch" is here.

Let me get SBFailen's response done for him early.

"It was found Samus vote stuffed 700 more votes than Mario, the result stands."

Unlike with BT however, I don't know who here lacks enough of a soul to cheat for fucking lame Mario. So I can't call anyone out to stop it.

oh ya 100 vote barrier
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Finally fell off the leaderboard...It was my best run ever though!

Came back from work, checked the results. This is what I have to say.

1st match=I think I have seen this match before, but I am not sure?
2nd match=Man this match is so close. But FREAKING Mario beats everyone. Except Zelda. Or Sephiroth when was at his strongest. Or Crono where he cheats votes.
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Its a real shame all the intelligent people who correctly picked Snakes early downfall arent going to be redeemed due to Zelda beating Mario. That flipped the entire bracket. Samus would have won her next two matches had it not been for Supreme Overlord Zelda. Now all the fools who picked Snake are rooting for Mario to win in order to offset the points lost.

Moonroof posted...

Its a real shame all the intelligent people who correctly picked Snakes early downfall arent going to be redeemed due to Zelda beating Mario. That flipped the entire bracket. Samus would have won her next two matches had it not been for Supreme Overlord Zelda. Now all the fools who picked Snake are rooting for Mario to win in order to offset the points lost.

I picked both...

I mean when both Mario and Snake were beaten by the same person, I don't think it's really fair to call one side foolish and the others not.

Because of the weirdness of Samus/Mario matches we don't even know if Mario beats Snake or not. I would imagine that he does but we can't say for certain

Oh, they both beat Snake. Believe me.

I'm in the Top 10 but I don't think I finish there.

I have both matches correct today and I have Link winning it all but I have Mario > Cloud in the next round.

People want Mario because it will salvage their pathetic brackets, since they picked Snake to win this match.

ShatteredElysium posted...

I mean when both Mario and Snake were beaten by the same person, I don't think it's really fair to call one side foolish and the others not.

Because of the weirdness of Samus/Mario matches we don't even know if Mario beats Snake or not. I would imagine that he does but we can't say for certain

I mean, we can....

Snake is #7 NN, and you think somehow the 3 or 4 guy is gonna lose to him? Especially when Snakes ENTIRE boost he ever got comes from the company Mario is the mascot for? Reason that one...

I voted Samus despite having Mario winning in my bracket so no?

FinalFantasyVll posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

I mean when both Mario and Snake were beaten by the same person, I don't think it's really fair to call one side foolish and the others not.

Because of the weirdness of Samus/Mario matches we don't even know if Mario beats Snake or not. I would imagine that he does but we can't say for certain

I mean, we can....

Snake is #7 NN, and you think somehow the 3 or 4 guy is gonna lose to him? Especially when Snakes ENTIRE boost he ever got comes from the company Mario is the mascot for? Reason that one...

Zelda/Mario and Zelda/Snake being similar is the only doubt

I think Mario very likely wins but theres certainly a small question mark rather than it being a dead certainty

@ShatteredElysium Mario>Cloud is the favorite.
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Im bitter because I would have won the entire thing if Mario beat Zelda. Because Samus would have bested Zelda, and Cloud. Before losing to Mario again.

UltimaterializerX posted...

ZeldaTPLink posted...

What is up with all those people rooting for Mario

What kind of person roots for the hierarchy. You fucking elitists.

Ive loved Mario since 1988.

But WHY?

I love ya man, so this disappoints the fuck out of me.

I get loving his series and his games.
Some of my best times ever have been controlling the Italian Plumber, he stars in 4/5 of my top 10 games literally ever....

But that doesn't have to do with him. His platformers could be literally anyone and be just as good, and his RPG's are carried by his supporting cast (which is fucking amazing)

Why would anyone actually like Mario as a character? He doesn't have any. Link at least has grunts and answers from NPCs that let you know his character (as well as WW being expressive as hell) and Crono is done by AT, who could give a piece of ply wood character in his designs...

What the hell does Mario have? He is the ultimate PC and nothing else.

I didn't thought that Mario>Cloud isn't set in stone.
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FinalFantasyVll posted...

his RPG's are carried by his supporting cast

Whoa there. Mario is hillarious in those. His simple reactions to everything in the Paper Mario games and his golden imatations to tell stories in Super Mario RPG are great!
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I should say I have a guaranteed -8 still as well since I don't have the winner of the loser bracket correct

Assuming Mario holds today and Link wins out I have somewhere between 156 and 164 points to come out of a possible 172 remaining. And I'm guessing the only people who can gain on me have Cloud running through the losers bracket (or somehow called Zelda's run correctly and she wins losers bracket or it all)

I guess worst case I likely stay in the Top 50.

The_Ctes posted...

FinalFantasyVll posted...

his RPG's are carried by his supporting cast

Whoa there. Mario is hillarious in those. His simple reactions to everything in the Paper Mario games and his golden imatations to tell stories in Super Mario RPG are great!

Paper Mario is a different character. We've gone over this. Both in canon and according to Nintendo they are not the same.

And you're right, PM is awesome.

Mario Mario sucks hard.

Safer_777 posted...

I didn't thought that Mario>Cloud isn't set in stone.

It's not...

Mario beat Sephiroth with almost 60%. Now Cloud is of course stronger than him but more than 10%? Don't know. Would like to believe that though.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Thats true of any platforming character. Mario was my first character. That means something.

But it's not true of any platform character.

Crash has personality, it sucks, but it's there.
Sonic always had personality (and now has far too much... go back a bit on that).
Jak had great personality, then they made him edgy the edged edge master...
Ratchet has oodles of personality
Princess Peach, and Toad in their own series has personality in their platformers.
Yoshi could use a bit more, still more than Mario.
And it's crazy to say the entire DK crew isn't bursting with it

Safer_777 posted...

Mario beat Sephiroth with almost 60%. Now Cloud is of course stronger than him but more than 10%? Don't know. Would like to believe that though.

I think Cloud who is at worst #4 and potentially #2 is in fact 10% stronger than someone praying for top 20 and probably top 25... yes.

FinalFantasyVll posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Thats true of any platforming character. Mario was my first character. That means something.

But it's not true of any platform character.

Crash has personality, it sucks, but it's there.
Sonic always had personality (and now has far too much... go back a bit on that).
Jak had great personality, then they made him edgy the edged edge master...
Ratchet has oodles of personality
Princess Peach, and Toad in their own series has personality in their platformers.
Yoshi could use a bit more, still more than Mario.
And it's crazy to say the entire DK crew isn't bursting with it

I love the first Jak and Daxter game, but he had no personality whatsoever in that game. Daxter and Keira were the ones with personality.
and Ratchet's personality was mainly being a knobhead.

Safer_777 posted...

Mario beat Sephiroth with almost 60%. Now Cloud is of course stronger than him but more than 10%? Don't know. Would like to believe that though.

Well if you run Seph's xstat through the Tifa loss instead of the Mario loss which is a little bit cheaty I admit, Seph is going to end up as the weakest FF7 character in the bracket via xstats

Granted that's flawed because of running it through his loser bracket result and also having to believe Zelda > Aerith is the same strength Zelda as legends bracket Zelda

FinalFantasyVll posted...

Safer_777 posted...

Mario beat Sephiroth with almost 60%. Now Cloud is of course stronger than him but more than 10%? Don't know. Would like to believe that though.

I think Cloud who is at worst #4 and potentially #2 is in fact 10% stronger than someone praying for top 20 and probably top 25... yes.

Sephiroth has gotten weaker but did he really go from NN to 25th? damn.

I don't think Cloud can win at all. I am expecting a 55-45 easy victory for Mario.
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Hopefully Samus can retake lead once Cali wakes up and UK goes to sleep
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Just catching up now, what is the latest Mario vs Samus?

Could Samus come back from this given she is ahead in the US?

abdou posted...

FinalFantasyVll posted...

Safer_777 posted...

Mario beat Sephiroth with almost 60%. Now Cloud is of course stronger than him but more than 10%? Don't know. Would like to believe that though.

I think Cloud who is at worst #4 and potentially #2 is in fact 10% stronger than someone praying for top 20 and probably top 25... yes.

Sephiroth has gotten weaker but did he really go from NN to 25th? damn.

I don't think Cloud can win at all. I am expecting a 55-45 easy victory for Mario.

Link got 60. Mario wont get anywhere near 55. 52/3 at best.

I honestly think cloud can beat him.

Samus in the other hand.... she can definitely hit 55 against cloud.
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OFool posted...

Just catching up now, what is the latest Mario vs Samus?

Could Samus come back from this given she is ahead in the US?

Megaman was ahead in US and still lost. But MMwas pathetic in Europe. Samus no so much.

Well see. I hope so

Mario use to SFF Samus to the ground before

Things have changed. Samus deserves to be in the finals.
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abdou posted...

FinalFantasyVll posted...

Safer_777 posted...

Mario beat Sephiroth with almost 60%. Now Cloud is of course stronger than him but more than 10%? Don't know. Would like to believe that though.

I think Cloud who is at worst #4 and potentially #2 is in fact 10% stronger than someone praying for top 20 and probably top 25... yes.

Sephiroth has gotten weaker but did he really go from NN to 25th? damn.

I don't think Cloud can win at all. I am expecting a 55-45 easy victory for Mario.

I think 25th is a large stretch. You would have to believe that everyone in legends bracket beats him plus find 9 more in the original bracket.

If we are being very generous and saying he definitely is the weakest in legends then maybe from main bracket you can say MMX, Vivi, Luigi, Kirby. Then I have to start stretching. You could have Aerith and Squall if you run the xstats funky and saying Zelda is constant. That gets you to 22nd. I'm struggling to find more and I also think that is already being very, very generous

I think realistically we are looking at the 10-15 range

UltimaterializerX posted...

upset.

uh
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I mean given how many Mario/Samus matches we have had, Samus winning would be an upset really

It's still an upset if it happens (I don't feel safe calling any close match against Mario) even if the last meeting showed it was plausible. Very few people were calling for it since a 2% flip is still a 2% flip. Me and War were the only two I saw advocating for it and I'm not sure War was even doing it seriously or just out of wishful thinking.
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This Final Fantasy 7 asshole might be the first person I ever ignore on here. Who even is he?
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ShatteredElysium posted...

abdou posted...

FinalFantasyVll posted...

Safer_777 posted...

Mario beat Sephiroth with almost 60%. Now Cloud is of course stronger than him but more than 10%? Don't know. Would like to believe that though.

I think Cloud who is at worst #4 and potentially #2 is in fact 10% stronger than someone praying for top 20 and probably top 25... yes.

Sephiroth has gotten weaker but did he really go from NN to 25th? damn.

I don't think Cloud can win at all. I am expecting a 55-45 easy victory for Mario.

I think 25th is a large stretch. You would have to believe that everyone in legends bracket beats him plus find 9 more in the original bracket.

If we are being very generous and saying he definitely is the weakest in legends then maybe from main bracket you can say MMX, Vivi, Luigi, Kirby. Then I have to start stretching. You could have Aerith and Squall if you run the xstats funky and saying Zelda is constant. That gets you to 22nd. I'm struggling to find more and I also think that is already being very, very generous

I think realistically we are looking at the 10-15 range

I assume he doesn't buy that Sephiroth would win a rematch with Ryu.
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...

This Final Fantasy 7 asshole might be the first person I ever ignore on here. Who even is he?

Probably MWC
Go for it
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