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AngelSeven 10/21/18 12:28:12 PM #151:	Dragonblade01 posted... Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription? Under certain circumstances, it's necessary. They are usually the last defense when it comes to preventing medication errors of all kinds. However, in this case, it wasn't about medication errors or patient safety. This was a personal issue the pharmacist had because "muh religion" and that should never interfere with patient treatment. --- I hope you have an appetite. ------------------(^_~)------------------ <cite>AngelSeven posted [p:910902469] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription?</quote> Under certain circumstances, it's necessary. They are usually the last defense when it comes to preventing medication errors of all kinds. However, in this case, it wasn't about medication errors or patient safety. This was a personal issue the pharmacist had because "muh religion" and that should never interfere with patient treatment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 10/21/18 12:28:54 PM #152:	Dragonblade01 posted... Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription? I'm supposed to fill a prescription for OxyContin 10mg every 4 hours as needed? --- When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps. - Confucius <cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted [p:910902496] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription?</quote> I'm supposed to fill a prescription for OxyContin 10mg every 4 hours as needed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/21/18 12:32:19 PM #153:	AngelSeven posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription? Under certain circumstances, it's necessary. They are usually the last defense when it comes to preventing medication errors of all kinds. However, in this case, it wasn't about medication errors or patient safety. This was a personal issue the pharmacist had because "muh religion" and that should never interfere with patient treatment. Interesting. I can understand being able to refuse a prescription that was made an error. Could you give me an example? Would it be a case where their doctor prescribed the wrong medicine outright, or would it typically be some sort of external oversight that the doctor wouldn't know about? Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription? I'm supposed to fill a prescription for OxyContin 10mg every 4 hours as needed? I mean, if that's what the doctor prescribed, then why would that be a problem? <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910902637] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>AngelSeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription?</quote> Under certain circumstances, it's necessary. They are usually the last defense when it comes to preventing medication errors of all kinds. However, in this case, it wasn't about medication errors or patient safety. This was a personal issue the pharmacist had because "muh religion" and that should never interfere with patient treatment.</quote> Interesting. I can understand being able to refuse a prescription that was made an error. Could you give me an example? Would it be a case where their doctor prescribed the wrong medicine outright, or would it typically be some sort of external oversight that the doctor wouldn't know about? <cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription?</quote> I'm supposed to fill a prescription for OxyContin 10mg every 4 hours as needed?</quote> I mean, if that's what the doctor prescribed, then why would that be a problem?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Serious Cat 10/21/18 12:35:56 PM #154:	Dragonblade01 posted... Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription? Wrong drug, wrong amount, wrong purpose, fraudulently obtained prescription, interactions with other drugs patient is taking. Even something like too many pain pills from a specific doctor. There's a reason that pharmacists require training and aren't just people who will do a reasonable job at making sure they're giving the right people the right thing. --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread <cite>Serious Cat posted [p:910902813] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription?</quote> Wrong drug, wrong amount, wrong purpose, fraudulently obtained prescription, interactions with other drugs patient is taking. Even something like too many pain pills from a specific doctor. There's a reason that pharmacists require training and aren't just people who will do a reasonable job at making sure they're giving the right people the right thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/21/18 12:36:27 PM #155:	I mean, if that's what the doctor prescribed, then why would that be a problem? Because doctors can enter things incorrectly, or prescribe meds with serious interactions, or simply prescribe inappropriate amounts. Pharmacists know more about drugs than doctors do. They save our asses all the time. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:910902835] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>I mean, if that's what the doctor prescribed, then why would that be a problem? Because doctors can enter things incorrectly, or prescribe meds with serious interactions, or simply prescribe inappropriate amounts. Pharmacists know more about drugs than doctors do. They save our asses all the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 10/21/18 12:37:03 PM #156:	Coffeebeanz posted... DuranOfForcena posted... Coffeebeanz posted... DuranOfForcena posted... Coffeebeanz posted... A physician is not required to prescribe or render medical treatment that the physician deems ethically inappropriate or medically ineffective. A physician may refuse to treat a patient when the physician has a moral or religious objection to the care that is sought by the patient. If a physician decides not to provide services to a patient on religious, ethical or moral grounds, the physician should discuss the reasons for the refusal with the patient, inform the patient of other resources or providers that can competently respond to the patients needs, and document the discussion with the patient in the patients medical record. A physician may deny care when a patient requests services outside the physicians area of expertise or office hours or at a location other than the physicians office. Physicians also have the right to close their panels and to refuse to accept new patients when they do not have the capacity to treat additional patients. a pharmacist isn't a physician, none of this applies one bit to a fuckin pill jockey whose only job is to fill the prescriptions that have been ordered That's not what a Pharmacist does. yes it is A real pharmacist would be facepalming right now. I already have --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:910902858] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>A physician is not required to prescribe or render medical treatment that the physician deems ethically inappropriate or medically ineffective. A physician may refuse to treat a patient when the physician has a moral or religious objection to the care that is sought by the patient. If a physician decides not to provide services to a patient on religious, ethical or moral grounds, the physician should discuss the reasons for the refusal with the patient, inform the patient of other resources or providers that can competently respond to the patients needs, and document the discussion with the patient in the patients medical record. A physician may deny care when a patient requests services outside the physicians area of expertise or office hours or at a location other than the physicians office. Physicians also have the right to close their panels and to refuse to accept new patients when they do not have the capacity to treat additional patients.</quote> a pharmacist isn't a physician, none of this applies one bit to a fuckin pill jockey whose only job is to fill the prescriptions that have been ordered</quote> That's not what a Pharmacist does.</quote> yes it is</quote> A real pharmacist would be facepalming right now.</quote> I already have</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 10/21/18 12:38:11 PM #157:	I mean, if that's what the doctor prescribed, then why would that be a problem? Because that's an incorrect dosing frequency for extended-release oxycodone, which is given every 12 hours. I actually had an order for this exact dose come through to me in the hospital and I called out the doctor on it. I think part of the confusion in this topic is that folks don't actually know what pharmacists do, what we're trained to do, and what the law says we can do. --- When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps. - Confucius <cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted [p:910902910] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><quote>I mean, if that's what the doctor prescribed, then why would that be a problem?</quote> Because that's an incorrect dosing frequency for extended-release oxycodone, which is given every 12 hours. I actually had an order for this exact dose come through to me in the hospital and I called out the doctor on it. I think part of the confusion in this topic is that folks don't actually know what pharmacists do, what we're trained to do, and what the law says we can do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelSeven 10/21/18 12:41:28 PM #158:	Dragonblade01 posted... AngelSeven posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription? Under certain circumstances, it's necessary. They are usually the last defense when it comes to preventing medication errors of all kinds. However, in this case, it wasn't about medication errors or patient safety. This was a personal issue the pharmacist had because "muh religion" and that should never interfere with patient treatment. Interesting. I can understand being able to refuse a prescription that was made an error. Could you give me an example? Would it be a case where their doctor prescribed the wrong medicine outright, or would it typically be some sort of external oversight that the doctor wouldn't know about? Both. Pharmacists have more training in pharmacology than practitioners. A practitioner can prescribe the wrong medication or even the wrong dosage by mistake. Sometimes they prescribe the wrong route (IV instead of IM) or a patient is on another medication that conflicts with the new medication, putting the patient at risk. Sometimes a lab value can even conflict with a certain medication and the pharmacist may ask about it before dispensing. These things can happen and the pharmacy has to be aware before dispensing otherwise they will be just as liable if something happens to the patient. Then you have the pill mills, but I won't get into that.. --- I hope you have an appetite. ------------------(^_~)------------------ <cite>AngelSeven posted [p:910903066] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AngelSeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>Why should a pharmacist be able to deny filling out a prescription?</quote> Under certain circumstances, it's necessary. They are usually the last defense when it comes to preventing medication errors of all kinds. However, in this case, it wasn't about medication errors or patient safety. This was a personal issue the pharmacist had because "muh religion" and that should never interfere with patient treatment.</quote> Interesting. I can understand being able to refuse a prescription that was made an error. Could you give me an example? Would it be a case where their doctor prescribed the wrong medicine outright, or would it typically be some sort of external oversight that the doctor wouldn't know about?</quote> Both. Pharmacists have more training in pharmacology than practitioners. A practitioner can prescribe the wrong medication or even the wrong dosage by mistake. Sometimes they prescribe the wrong route (IV instead of IM) or a patient is on another medication that conflicts with the new medication, putting the patient at risk. Sometimes a lab value can even conflict with a certain medication and the pharmacist may ask about it before dispensing. These things can happen and the pharmacy has to be aware before dispensing otherwise they will be just as liable if something happens to the patient. Then you have the pill mills, but I won't get into that..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/21/18 12:42:37 PM #159:	I see. I can totally get behind the idea of being able to deny a prescription for a medical reason like that. Although it makes it weird to me that the only thing the pharmacist did wrong in this case was refusing to transfer the prescription to someone else. You'd think the problem would be denying a prescription for a non-medical reason. Not to mention that if the crux of the issue is not transferring, then does that mean they need to transfer a refusal made for a legit medical reason to another pharmacist as well? I guess it would be like a second opinion, but is there a limit on the number of times it can be transferred? Because it seems flawed to have a system where prescriptions can be refused for non-medical reasons and/or prescriptions refused for medical reasons can be transferred ad nauseum in the hopes that another pharmacist will eventually accept. EDIT: I should mention that I'm not trying to insult the medical industry or anything. I just don't know all that much about the relationship between pharmacists and doctors, and some of what I'm hearing about this case seems odd or counter productive. Trying to understand it better. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910903139] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>I see. I can totally get behind the idea of being able to deny a prescription for a medical reason like that. Although it makes it weird to me that the only thing the pharmacist did wrong in this case was refusing to transfer the prescription to someone else. You'd think the problem would be denying a prescription for a non-medical reason. Not to mention that if the crux of the issue is not transferring, then does that mean they need to transfer a refusal made for a legit medical reason to another pharmacist as well? I guess it would be like a second opinion, but is there a limit on the number of times it can be transferred? Because it seems flawed to have a system where prescriptions can be refused for non-medical reasons and/or prescriptions refused for medical reasons can be transferred ad nauseum in the hopes that another pharmacist will eventually accept. EDIT: I should mention that I'm not trying to insult the medical industry or anything. I just don't know all that much about the relationship between pharmacists and doctors, and some of what I'm hearing about this case seems odd or counter productive. Trying to understand it better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 10/21/18 12:45:44 PM #160:	Coffeebeanz posted... He was doing his job. No he wasn't, and you've acknowledged as much itt already. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:910903293] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>He was doing his job. </quote> No he wasn't, and you've acknowledged as much itt already.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/21/18 12:47:41 PM #161:	TrevorBlack79 posted... Coffeebeanz posted... He was doing his job. No he wasn't, and you've acknowledged as much itt already. Fair enough. I suppose in this context that wasn't the case. The topic diverted into generalized discussions about practitioner rights. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:910903386] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>He was doing his job. </quote> No he wasn't, and you've acknowledged as much itt already.</quote> Fair enough. I suppose in this context that wasn't the case. The topic diverted into generalized discussions about practitioner rights.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AngelSeven 10/21/18 12:48:02 PM #162:	Coffeebeanz posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Coffeebeanz posted... He was doing his job. No he wasn't, and you've acknowledged as much itt already. Fair enough. I suppose in this context that wasn't the case. The topic diverted into generalized discussions about practitioner rights. Not really. You turned it into that. --- I hope you have an appetite. ------------------(^_~)------------------ <cite>AngelSeven posted [p:910903401] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>He was doing his job. </quote> No he wasn't, and you've acknowledged as much itt already.</quote> Fair enough. I suppose in this context that wasn't the case. The topic diverted into generalized discussions about practitioner rights.</quote> Not really. You turned it into that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 10/21/18 12:55:40 PM #163:	Coffeebeanz posted... No. Any reason. Because practitioners are their own bosses. That's how being a professional works. Can I get a source for this beyond your assertion? Regardless, the religious views of the pharmacist are not an acceptable reason for refusing to provide medicine, whether the law allows it or not. You've listed many good reasons that a pharmacist can refuse to fill a script, but the faith of the pharmacist has literally nothing to do with that patient's care and should not be a factor. --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:910903784] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>No. Any reason. Because practitioners are their own bosses. That's how being a professional works.</quote> Can I get a source for this beyond your assertion? Regardless, the religious views of the pharmacist are not an acceptable reason for refusing to provide medicine, whether the law allows it or not. You've listed many good reasons that a pharmacist can refuse to fill a script, but the faith of the pharmacist has literally nothing to do with that patient's care and should not be a factor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AngelSeven 10/21/18 1:15:36 PM #165:	Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted... I think part of the confusion in this topic is that folks don't actually know what pharmacists do, what we're trained to do, and what the law says we can do. I do agree with this. And part of it is because there are so many avenues in healthcare: MD, PA, NP, pharmacist, RN, etc. They all have specific roles so it can be confusing for the public to know what pharmacists do outside of "They give me my medication." Pharmacist also spend the least time with patients. I apologize for being obnoxious, btw. The comment about NPs making the most errors followed by the other comment that we overestimate our knowledge in pharmacology and (patho)physiology is what threw me off the rails. Those are some of the biggest challenges that NPs face and some health professionals still see our role as a joke. --- I hope you have an appetite. ------------------(^_~)------------------ <cite>AngelSeven posted [p:910904792] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...</cite> <quote>I think part of the confusion in this topic is that folks don't actually know what pharmacists do, what we're trained to do, and what the law says we can do.</quote> I do agree with this. And part of it is because there are so many avenues in healthcare: MD, PA, NP, pharmacist, RN, etc. They all have specific roles so it can be confusing for the public to know what pharmacists do outside of "They give me my medication." Pharmacist also spend the least time with patients. I apologize for being obnoxious, btw. The comment about NPs making the most errors followed by the other comment that we overestimate our knowledge in pharmacology and (patho)physiology is what threw me off the rails. Those are some of the biggest challenges that NPs face and some health professionals still see our role as a joke.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
known2FAIL 10/21/18 1:20:13 PM #166:	AngelSeven posted... Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted... I think part of the confusion in this topic is that folks don't actually know what pharmacists do, what we're trained to do, and what the law says we can do. I do agree with this. And part of it is because there are so many avenues in healthcare: MD, PA, NP, pharmacist, RN, etc. They all have specific roles so it can be confusing for the public to know what pharmacists do outside of "They give me my medication." Pharmacist also spend the least time with patients. I apologize for being obnoxious, btw. The comment about NPs making the most errors followed by the other comment that we overestimate our knowledge in pharmacology and (patho)physiology is what threw me off the rails. Those are some of the biggest challenges that NPs face and some health professionals still see our role as a joke. I agree with everything you said. Once again I do apologize for that comment. It was out of line and unfair. I'm not sure why I got so hot headed in that situation. That was very disrespectful of me and I know better than that --- I don't know why I'm playing Destiny 2... but I am... <cite>known2FAIL posted [p:910905009] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>AngelSeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...</cite> <quote>I think part of the confusion in this topic is that folks don't actually know what pharmacists do, what we're trained to do, and what the law says we can do.</quote> I do agree with this. And part of it is because there are so many avenues in healthcare: MD, PA, NP, pharmacist, RN, etc. They all have specific roles so it can be confusing for the public to know what pharmacists do outside of "They give me my medication." Pharmacist also spend the least time with patients. I apologize for being obnoxious, btw. The comment about NPs making the most errors followed by the other comment that we overestimate our knowledge in pharmacology and (patho)physiology is what threw me off the rails. Those are some of the biggest challenges that NPs face and some health professionals still see our role as a joke.</quote> I agree with everything you said. Once again I do apologize for that comment. It was out of line and unfair. I'm not sure why I got so hot headed in that situation. That was very disrespectful of me and I know better than that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/21/18 1:57:35 PM #167:	Coffeebeanz posted... TrevorBlack79 posted... Do your fucking job or find a new one that doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities. He was doing his job. He's a professional. He can define his terms. That's why he makes six figures. And he can refuse a non-emergent treatment for any reason he wants. Period. End of story. Deal with it, V for Vendettabeard. Healthcare practitioners don't work for you. You don't get what you want just because your fedora is also your shirt. He's a professional yet he somehow confuses religion with medicine and science. That's dangerous. Maybe he isn't quite an expert in his field. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910906932] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TrevorBlack79 posted...</cite> <quote>Do your fucking job or find a new one that doesn't offend your delicate sensibilities.</quote> He was doing his job. He's a professional. He can define his terms. That's why he makes six figures. And he can refuse a non-emergent treatment for any reason he wants. Period. End of story. Deal with it, V for Vendettabeard. Healthcare practitioners don't work for you. You don't get what you want just because your fedora is also your shirt.</quote> He's a professional yet he somehow confuses religion with medicine and science. That's dangerous. Maybe he isn't quite an expert in his field.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/21/18 2:00:51 PM #168:	That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910907099] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spam_n_eggs 10/21/18 2:02:44 PM #169:	One step closer to the handmaids tale <cite>Spam_n_eggs posted [p:910907197] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>One step closer to the handmaids tale</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 10/21/18 2:02:45 PM #170:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman. For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment? --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:910907200] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman.</quote> For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 10/21/18 2:07:14 PM #171:	MrPeppers posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman. For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment? His religious beliefs are a lapse in judgment? I also think Machete was being hyperbolic. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:910907449] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman.</quote> For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment?</quote> His religious beliefs are a lapse in judgment? I also think Machete was being hyperbolic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 10/21/18 2:09:28 PM #172:	MrPeppers posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman. For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment? I dont think hes serious lmao But its happened hockeybub89 posted... MrPeppers posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman. For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment? His religious beliefs are a lapse in judgment? I also think Machete was being hyperbolic. Nah. Not giving the prescription back was --- Beep bep <.< >.> <.< Hotness: https://imgtc.com/i/6SC3Wu5.jpg <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:910907562] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman.</quote> For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment?</quote> I dont think hes serious lmao But its happened <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman.</quote> For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment?</quote> His religious beliefs are a lapse in judgment? I also think Machete was being hyperbolic.</quote> Nah. Not giving the prescription back was</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 10/21/18 2:09:40 PM #173:	hockeybub89 posted... MrPeppers posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman. For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment? His religious beliefs are a lapse in judgment? Oh look you bizarrely removed professional from the phrase. His religious beliefs are his beliefs and he is not confusing medicine with religion for declining to fill. Not referring her to another practitioner who would fill, however, was the lapse in professional judgment. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:910907574] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman.</quote> For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment?</quote> His religious beliefs are a lapse in judgment?</quote> Oh look you bizarrely removed professional from the phrase. His religious beliefs are his beliefs and he is not confusing medicine with religion for declining to fill. Not referring her to another practitioner who would fill, however, was the lapse in professional judgment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/21/18 2:10:32 PM #174:	hockeybub89 posted... MrPeppers posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman. For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment? His religious beliefs are a lapse in judgment? I also think Machete was being hyperbolic. I was indeed being hyperbolic, but if it actually happened, I would laugh and would have no sympathy. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910907617] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>That employee should be fired and banned from working literally anywhere ever again. His ability to ever earn a living again should be revoked. His livelihood should be utterly obliterated and he should be treated as subhuman.</quote> For a solitary nonfatal lapse in professional judgment?</quote> His religious beliefs are a lapse in judgment? I also think Machete was being hyperbolic.</quote> I was indeed being hyperbolic, but if it actually happened, I would laugh and would have no sympathy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 10/21/18 2:11:22 PM #175:	Full Throttle posted... They were on a weekend getaway attempting to cope with the loss of their twins and ended their trip and went back home where they went to another Meijer location "Our kids just died. Time to take that vacation we've been planning and have an abortion!" <cite>iClockwork posted [p:910907662] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>They were on a weekend getaway attempting to cope with the loss of their twins and ended their trip and went back home where they went to another Meijer location </quote> "Our kids just died. Time to take that vacation we've been planning and have an abortion!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/21/18 2:12:13 PM #176:	iClockwork posted... Full Throttle posted... They were on a weekend getaway attempting to cope with the loss of their twins and ended their trip and went back home where they went to another Meijer location "Our kids just died. Time to take that vacation we've been planning and have an abortion!" This is a despicable post. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910907703] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>They were on a weekend getaway attempting to cope with the loss of their twins and ended their trip and went back home where they went to another Meijer location </quote> "Our kids just died. Time to take that vacation we've been planning and have an abortion!"</quote> This is a despicable post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrPeppers 10/21/18 2:14:22 PM #177:	iClockwork posted... Full Throttle posted... They were on a weekend getaway attempting to cope with the loss of their twins and ended their trip and went back home where they went to another Meijer location "Our kids just died. Time to take that vacation we've been planning and have an abortion!" First of all, the abortion already happened naturally. She sufferred a missed abortion, more colloquially known as a miscarriage, with the products of conception still in the womb. Second of all, she was counseled about the 3 different types of management and opted to wait and see if her body would naturally pass the products. That failed, and the doc prescribed her misoprostol, which she went to go pick up at what sounded like an appropriate timeframe. So youre basically very, very ignorant of the situation and making light of a horrible process that someone has to go though. --- https://imgur.com/SGkkbF0 <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:910907818] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>They were on a weekend getaway attempting to cope with the loss of their twins and ended their trip and went back home where they went to another Meijer location </quote> "Our kids just died. Time to take that vacation we've been planning and have an abortion!"</quote> First of all, the abortion already happened naturally. She sufferred a missed abortion, more colloquially known as a miscarriage, with the products of conception still in the womb. Second of all, she was counseled about the 3 different types of management and opted to wait and see if her body would naturally pass the products. That failed, and the doc prescribed her misoprostol, which she went to go pick up at what sounded like an appropriate timeframe. So youre basically very, very ignorant of the situation and making light of a horrible process that someone has to go though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 10/21/18 2:30:30 PM #178:	MrPeppers posted... iClockwork posted... Full Throttle posted... They were on a weekend getaway attempting to cope with the loss of their twins and ended their trip and went back home where they went to another Meijer location "Our kids just died. Time to take that vacation we've been planning and have an abortion!" First of all, the abortion already happened naturally. She sufferred a missed abortion, more colloquially known as a miscarriage, with the products of conception still in the womb. Second of all, she was counseled about the 3 different types of management and opted to wait and see if her body would naturally pass the products. That failed, and the doc prescribed her misoprostol, which she went to go pick up at what sounded like an appropriate timeframe. So you?re basically very, very ignorant of the situation and making light of a horrible process that someone has to go though. You are talking to iclockwork, so everything you're saying actually goes without --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:910908630] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>They were on a weekend getaway attempting to cope with the loss of their twins and ended their trip and went back home where they went to another Meijer location </quote> "Our kids just died. Time to take that vacation we've been planning and have an abortion!"</quote> First of all, the abortion already happened naturally. She sufferred a missed abortion, more colloquially known as a miscarriage, with the products of conception still in the womb. Second of all, she was counseled about the 3 different types of management and opted to wait and see if her body would naturally pass the products. That failed, and the doc prescribed her misoprostol, which she went to go pick up at what sounded like an appropriate timeframe. So you?re basically very, very ignorant of the situation and making light of a horrible process that someone has to go though.</quote> You are talking to iclockwork, so everything you're saying actually goes without</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 10/21/18 2:32:18 PM #179:	Chad-Henne posted... Guy sounds like a piece of shit imo He is --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:910908719] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Chad-Henne posted...</cite> <quote>Guy sounds like a piece of shit imo</quote> He is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 10/21/18 2:36:38 PM #180:	I'm fine with it but an exception should be included for a person's health I like the idea that a business can deny someone for any reason --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:910908921] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>I'm fine with it but an exception should be included for a person's health I like the idea that a business can deny someone for any reason</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Catgirl Fondler 10/21/18 2:46:57 PM #181:	Another pro-lifer being a piece of shit? Shock of shocks. --- N/A <cite>The Catgirl Fondler posted [p:910909443] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>Another pro-lifer being a piece of shit? Shock of shocks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iClockwork 10/21/18 2:52:57 PM #182:	No bigger pieces of shit than those who kill children. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:910909738] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>No bigger pieces of shit than those who kill children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iClockwork 10/21/18 2:58:54 PM #184:	DuranOfForcena posted... iClockwork posted... No bigger pieces of shit than those who kill children. i guess god's a pretty big piece of shit then Nice deflection. Makes you look doubly ignorant since its well known I don't believe in your god. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:910910051] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>No bigger pieces of shit than those who kill children.</quote> i guess god's a pretty big piece of shit then</quote> Nice deflection. Makes you look doubly ignorant since its well known I don't believe in your god.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 10/21/18 2:59:51 PM #185:	iClockwork posted... No bigger pieces of shit than those who kill children. ...but God killed the fetus in this case... --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:910910098] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>No bigger pieces of shit than those who kill children.</quote> ...but God killed the fetus in this case...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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iClockwork 10/21/18 3:02:31 PM #187:	Foppe posted... ...but God killed the fetus in this case... Nope DuranOfForcena posted... deflection of what? and i don't believe in god either. i was just commenting on your statement as it pertains to what happened in this case. You're trying to hard. <cite>iClockwork posted [p:910910228] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Foppe posted...</cite> <quote>...but God killed the fetus in this case... </quote> Nope <cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote>deflection of what? and i don't believe in god either. i was just commenting on your statement as it pertains to what happened in this case. </quote> You're trying to hard.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DezDroppedFreak 10/21/18 4:24:43 PM #189:	iClockwork posted... No bigger pieces of shit than those who kill children. Did you even read what happened here The woman tried absolutely everything she could to salvage the pregnancy --- Beep bep <.< >.> <.< Hotness: https://imgtc.com/i/6SC3Wu5.jpg <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:910914611] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>No bigger pieces of shit than those who kill children.</quote> Did you even read what happened here The woman tried absolutely everything she could to salvage the pregnancy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 10/21/18 4:33:17 PM #190:	iClockwork posted... Nope Then who did? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:910915046] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>iClockwork posted...</cite> <quote>Nope</quote> Then who did?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/21/18 5:57:07 PM #191:	Fedoras so big you could sail the seven seas --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:910919698] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>Fedoras so big you could sail the seven seas</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 10/21/18 5:59:29 PM #192:	Ridiculous. It's perfectly reasonable to be against abortion, but that isn't even what was going on here - the fetus had already died naturally and this was to help get it out. Strip his licence. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real. <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:910919817] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>Ridiculous. It's perfectly reasonable to be against abortion, but that isn't even what was going on here - the fetus had already died naturally and this was to help get it out. Strip his licence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku 10/21/18 6:05:49 PM #194:	AngelSeven posted... Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted... I think part of the confusion in this topic is that folks don't actually know what pharmacists do, what we're trained to do, and what the law says we can do. I do agree with this. And part of it is because there are so many avenues in healthcare: MD, PA, NP, pharmacist, RN, etc. They all have specific roles so it can be confusing for the public to know what pharmacists do outside of "They give me my medication." Pharmacist also spend the least time with patients. I apologize for being obnoxious, btw. The comment about NPs making the most errors followed by the other comment that we overestimate our knowledge in pharmacology and (patho)physiology is what threw me off the rails. Those are some of the biggest challenges that NPs face and some health professionals still see our role as a joke. No problem whatsoever. If anything, let me apologize as I can come off as a bit harsh in these kinds of topics. Most people (as shown in this topic) haven't a clue about pharmacy practice, law, or medicine in general and sometimes that level of ignorance can get to me. I work with many healthcare providers every day and I have the utmost respect for them. --- When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps. - Confucius <cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted [p:910920144] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>AngelSeven posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted...</cite> <quote>I think part of the confusion in this topic is that folks don't actually know what pharmacists do, what we're trained to do, and what the law says we can do.</quote> I do agree with this. And part of it is because there are so many avenues in healthcare: MD, PA, NP, pharmacist, RN, etc. They all have specific roles so it can be confusing for the public to know what pharmacists do outside of "They give me my medication." Pharmacist also spend the least time with patients. I apologize for being obnoxious, btw. The comment about NPs making the most errors followed by the other comment that we overestimate our knowledge in pharmacology and (patho)physiology is what threw me off the rails. Those are some of the biggest challenges that NPs face and some health professionals still see our role as a joke.</quote> No problem whatsoever. If anything, let me apologize as I can come off as a bit harsh in these kinds of topics. Most people (as shown in this topic) haven't a clue about pharmacy practice, law, or medicine in general and sometimes that level of ignorance can get to me. I work with many healthcare providers every day and I have the utmost respect for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edededdy 10/21/18 6:07:58 PM #195:	LanHikari10 posted... Yeah, I'm not a fan of that pharmacist's action. Our legal right to refuse to fill shouldn't be a platform for you to shove your religious beliefs down peoples' throats. It should be used in the best interest of the patient or to protect your own license from stupid drug abusers. I cannot fathom why he went on to ensure she couldn't get it filled by refusing to transfer or not allowing a coworker to fill it. He already was pushing his limits by refusing to fill, that was just asinine to go that much further. If he was that adamant about not believing the patient, he should've called the doctor's office to verify the story (although I'm sure they wouldn't have been thrilled with a call like that). Overall, that pharmacist dropped the ball in every respect and I do not agree nor respect his decision in any capacity. As I said, we're not here to shove beliefs down our patients' throats. We're here to keep them healthy. this is why you need to have your license removed what a stupid fucking opinion lmfao you absolutely cannot be a real pharmacist. id feel bad for whoever you work for if you were --- Voted best user on CE 2017 hahahahah lmfao <cite>edededdy posted [p:910920254] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>LanHikari10 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I'm not a fan of that pharmacist's action. Our legal right to refuse to fill shouldn't be a platform for you to shove your religious beliefs down peoples' throats. It should be used in the best interest of the patient or to protect your own license from stupid drug abusers. I cannot fathom why he went on to ensure she couldn't get it filled by refusing to transfer or not allowing a coworker to fill it. He already was pushing his limits by refusing to fill, that was just asinine to go that much further. If he was that adamant about not believing the patient, he should've called the doctor's office to verify the story (although I'm sure they wouldn't have been thrilled with a call like that). Overall, that pharmacist dropped the ball in every respect and I do not agree nor respect his decision in any capacity. As I said, we're not here to shove beliefs down our patients' throats. We're here to keep them healthy.</quote> this is why you need to have your license removed what a stupid fucking opinion lmfao you absolutely cannot be a real pharmacist. id feel bad for whoever you work for if you were</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/21/18 6:09:15 PM #196:	DuranOfForcena posted... Coffeebeanz posted... Fedoras so big you could sail the seven seas almost big enough to fit your ego I'm not the one with literally no medical education lecturing a pharmacist and a doctor about ethics. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:910920327] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Fedoras so big you could sail the seven seas</quote> almost big enough to fit your ego</quote> I'm not the one with literally no medical education lecturing a pharmacist and a doctor about ethics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super Saiyan 3 Goku 10/21/18 6:13:45 PM #197:	Coffeebeanz posted... DuranOfForcena posted... Coffeebeanz posted... Fedoras so big you could sail the seven seas almost big enough to fit your ego I'm not the one with literally no medical education lecturing a pharmacist and a doctor about ethics. It's kind of funny how it's the actual professionals here that are unanimous in their opinions on this issue but the armchair ethicists and clinicians of CE are the dissenters. --- When it is obvious that the goals cannot be reached, don't adjust the goals, adjust the action steps. - Confucius <cite>Super Saiyan 3 Goku posted [p:910920590] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Fedoras so big you could sail the seven seas</quote> almost big enough to fit your ego</quote> I'm not the one with literally no medical education lecturing a pharmacist and a doctor about ethics.</quote> It's kind of funny how it's the actual professionals here that are unanimous in their opinions on this issue but the armchair ethicists and clinicians of CE are the dissenters.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 10/21/18 6:14:24 PM #198:	I may be a little religious, but let's be real. God's not putting money in my pocket and food on my plate. God's not paying my electric bill and my rent. --- https://imgtc.com/i/5CTKeaL.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/G9w39yE.gif <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:910920622] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>I may be a little religious, but let's be real. God's not putting money in my pocket and food on my plate. God's not paying my electric bill and my rent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 10/21/18 6:16:20 PM #199:	It's not about religion. Doctors and pharmacists don't have to treat you if you're not in immediate danger. That's a fundamental right as a practitioner, and believe me we don't have very many. You can't just butt in with a bunch of exceptions. We're not obligated to treat you. Period. The reason is irrelevant. It's like saying a lawyer has to represent you. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:910920720] in Michigan W... [t:77111288]...</cite> <quote>It's not about religion. Doctors and pharmacists don't have to treat you if you're not in immediate danger. That's a fundamental right as a practitioner, and believe me we don't have very many. You can't just butt in with a bunch of exceptions. We're not obligated to treat you. Period. The reason is irrelevant. It's like saying a lawyer has to represent you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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