Poll of the Day > Switch > PC

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Y'all need stream link in your life.

One of my TV's has the steam link app on it, and it makes gaming on my TV so much easier. The only down side for me is that I have to turn on my PC, which is in another room, to use it.

But if that isn't your cup of tea, that's cool too. Do you.
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let's not ignore the fact Super Smash Bros aint on PC and emulating Smash on PC is a faulty experience.

FinalFantasyVII posted...

let's not ignore the fact Super Smash Bros aint on PC and emulating Smash on PC is a faulty experience.

Neither is Superman 64.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

What's going on here is that the example was people who use a PC on their TV mainly like how someone uses a console. I'm not going to go back and read through the post but I'm pretty sure console people were the ones using the "moving the PC around" as a counter argument.

I don't really know what you are trying to say here but I'll just say for the millionth time that I'm talking about what works for me. If something works for you that's great, but please try to be aware that other people have different preferences and different situations that make some setups less optimal than others.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Hooking up a PC, or console for that matter, is literally just plugging in cables. Especially in the context here which was using it as your main gaming station.

No, once again, it's moving bulky equipment back and forth, finding a space for it, and plugging in many more cables and peripherals than you'd have for a console.

Chewster posted...

I don't really know what you are trying to say here but I'll just say for the millionth time that I'm talking about what works for me. If something works for you that's great, but please try to be aware that other people have different preferences and different situations that make some setups less optimal than others.

Yeah, I know you're talking about what works for you. But this topic is about what's better as a primary gaming setup, not specific setups where you have to move things around.

Primary. Gaming. Setup.

Chewster posted...

No, once again, it's moving bulky equipment back and forth, finding a space for it, and plugging in many more cables and peripherals than you'd have for a console.

"Hooking up" a PC or console does not include moving anything back and forth. It's literally only what you're doing to put it in the spot you're going to be primarily using it for. But you're refusing to see past your own situation.
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_AdjI_ posted...

DPsx7 posted...

once you buy a console it doesn't go bad. It still plays games years later.

That's no less true of PC's, especially now that consoles predominantly have optical and hard drives (and therefore moving parts that can fail) instead of being solid state. Hardware wears out, but until it does, it'll keep playing games, no matter what sort of system it is.

DPsx7 posted...

And the games WILL work, none of this messing with compatibility crap like PC has.

It's very rare to have compatibility issues with any game made for an OS later than Windows 98. Certainly, XP onward tends to work with no hassle, and even older stuff can be playable with a little fiddling. Meanwhile, no amount of (legal) fiddling will allow me to play a GC game on my Switch (short of buying a port that they release). There's no messing with compatibility with consoles because there's no compatibility to mess with. Comparing console backwards compatibility to PC is laughable.

It kind of is because as you keep changing the hardware and OS, your old games break. While I hate updating consoles, at least when you load up a game it is going to run. Retro consoles have no moving parts. Guess it depends which consoles we're including.

Disagree. Going back to my miserable experience with the Steam malware, that proved PC is an incredible hassle. Games should just work when you want them to. Steam prevents that. Why would you need to worry about running GC games on Switch? Use the GC. Duh. If you keep your consoles then BC isn't a huge worry. As for PC what good is BC when current games don't even work properly.

In the end PC is the worst possible way to play games. Actually second worst as I don't consider mobile a respectable gaming platform either. There was a time where PC had something to offer that consoles didn't have but now that they support M/KB there's nothing to gain for the extra effort.

My situation is a relevant point. It may not reflect everyone but I'm sure it reflects a lot of people. PC gaming people get way too caught up on the technical aspects and the library size, as if console gamers aren't aware of that. We are. But some people just like playing on consoles more, which PC elitists seem incapable of accepting.

The last console i bought was an xbox 360 in 2008. For me, personally i see zero reason to buy a console ever again. If i did get one itd actually be a switch but nah.

DPsx7 posted...

Going back to my miserable experience with the Steam malware, that proved PC is an incredible hassle. Games should just work when you want them to. Steam prevents that.

Oh right. You're that guy. Your opinion on Steam and PC gaming in general is pretty much irrelevant.
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FinalFantasyVII posted...

The new master race is here.

Oh you've decided to post here too? Huh.
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I've been in and out of PotD for many years.

RIP old accounts Diet Water and Sfandi. Lost in account bets I made not-sober.

man101 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Going back to my miserable experience with the Steam malware, that proved PC is an incredible hassle. Games should just work when you want them to. Steam prevents that.

Oh right. You're that guy. Your opinion on Steam and PC gaming in general is pretty much irrelevant.

Uh huh, because you PC knuckledraggers refuse to accept your precious platform isn't anywhere near as good as the lies. Steam is shit, this is fact. I want my games to work when I need them and Steam prevents that. How anyone could look favorably at it is beyond comprehension. I know what I went through. We've also had the discussion why physical is better than digital.

FinalFantasyVII posted...

let's not ignore the fact Super Smash Bros aint on PC and emulating Smash on PC is a faulty experience.

Smash in 2018.

LOL.
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DPsx7 posted...

man101 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Going back to my miserable experience with the Steam malware, that proved PC is an incredible hassle. Games should just work when you want them to. Steam prevents that.

Oh right. You're that guy. Your opinion on Steam and PC gaming in general is pretty much irrelevant.

Uh huh, because you PC knuckledraggers refuse to accept your precious platform isn't anywhere near as good as the lies. Steam is shit, this is fact. I want my games to work when I need them and Steam prevents that. How anyone could look favorably at it is beyond comprehension. I know what I went through. We've also had the discussion why physical is better than digital.

Yeah we did and you never had an argument better than "I prefer physical stuff" and never could provide any reason why Steam is terrible other than making claims which were objectively false. "Steam is shit, this is a fact." You clearly don't understand the word "fact" because you just claimed something that is by every conceivable definition an opinion as a fact. And your only support for said opinion is that Steam doesn't let you play games when you want to. Which is false. As we went over ad nauseam. Yet somehow you keep repeating it as if saying it again and again somehow makes it true.
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man101 posted...

Yeah we did and you never had an argument better than "I prefer physical stuff" and never could provide any reason why Steam is terrible other than making claims which were objectively false. "Steam is shit, this is a fact." You clearly don't understand the word "fact" because you just claimed something that is by every conceivable definition an opinion as a fact. And your only support for said opinion is that Steam doesn't let you play games when you want to. Which is false. As we went over ad nauseam. Yet somehow you keep repeating it as if saying it again and again somehow makes it true.

Sure we did, you choose to 'forget' because you didn't have a compelling argument. We've been over digital versus physical many times so don't make me tell it all again. I also demonstrated why Steam is the worst. It's easier to flip discs than convince Steam to work offline.

Oh it's fact. When did anyone disprove my claims against Steam? Again, another discussion we've had and don't make me repeat it all.

DPsx7 posted...

<Oh it's fact. When did anyone disprove my claims against Steam?

Uh, everyone in that topic did. Repeatedly. Your only arguments were that it doesn't work offline and that it will take away your games if it wants to. The former is simply categorically untrue because Steam has an offline mode and people use it all the time. And the latter is a cynical hypothetical based on no precedent. So how exactly did you figure you won that argument? Because you keep saying you did and you keep repeating those points even though they're just wrong. Repeating them over and over does not make them less false. And every time I point out you're wrong you just repeat them again and say, "No one has disproven my facts that Steam is the worst." So I don't know what you expect.
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Chewster posted...

My situation is a relevant point.

This topic is about whether switch is better than PC to chewy? I didn't know that.

Oh wait, no, it's not.

Chewster posted...

PC gaming people get way too caught up on the technical aspects and the library size, as if console gamers aren't aware of that.

Because when you're trying to decide which is the better platform in general, these are things that actually matter. They matter more than the probably few people who would cart their PC from another room just to hook up to a TV. Which again, this topic is about your primary gaming system. The thing that you don't have to move around because it's already in the desired spot you want it in for gaming.

Chewster posted...

But some people just like playing on consoles more, which PC elitists seem incapable of accepting.

It's fine that people prefer to play on consoles, but you're taking your preference and using that as the system being better overall when it's not the case.

Take me, from the Genesis era to the PS2 era I was solely a console gamer. But even then, I knew and accepted that PC gaming was far superior, but at the time I preferred consoles.
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Good thing I wasn't arguing the original point about Switch being better, or anything being "better" than PC for that matter. All I said was I don't personally really like playing on PCs and you continue to be unable to accept that even though I've stated my reasons

Chewster posted...

Good thing I wasn't arguing the original point about Switch being better, or anything being "better" than PC for that matter. All I said was I don't personally really like playing on PCs and you continue to be unable to accept that even though I've stated my reasons

So you agree that your personal reasons are irrelevant cause they only pertain to you?
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I imagine they pertain to a larger number of people than you think but you've got the PC blinders on and are enraged that not everyone plays games the same way as you

man101 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

<Oh it's fact. When did anyone disprove my claims against Steam?

Uh, everyone in that topic did. Repeatedly. Your only arguments were that it doesn't work offline and that it will take away your games if it wants to. The former is simply categorically untrue because Steam has an offline mode and people use it all the time. And the latter is a cynical hypothetical based on no precedent. So how exactly did you figure you won that argument? Because you keep saying you did and you keep repeating those points even though they're just wrong. Repeating them over and over does not make them less false. And every time I point out you're wrong you just repeat them again and say, "No one has disproven my facts that Steam is the worst." So I don't know what you expect.

My only arguments? You too have selective (defective?) memory. I had a whole list of gripes and no you guys didn't actually settle anything. It boiled down to 'I'm bad with PC's and love Steam so you must be wrong'.

Steam doesn't work offline. You exhausted that excuse last time. As for the second point it's not that simple. We haven't lost paid content but have lost free content and the point I'm making is they have the ability to - it COULD happen. I'm not going to wait until it does to start bitching. It'll be too late. By going with discs nobody makes the decisions but me.

The whole physical vs digital argument isn't going to end soon, not that it matters. Some people don't care to replay games. But we also discuss it while explaining why Steam and its users are trash. 2 different, slightly intertwined arguments.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Chewster posted...

Good thing I wasn't arguing the original point about Switch being better, or anything being "better" than PC for that matter. All I said was I don't personally really like playing on PCs and you continue to be unable to accept that even though I've stated my reasons

So you agree that your personal reasons are irrelevant cause they only pertain to you?

Not really. Everyone's personal situation is sort of relevant to the arguing point which switched from just Switch being better to why don't you play your PC on tv. Everyone's situation is different. But the arguments from the PC side make it sound like it should work for everybody. When it actually doesn't.
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DPsx7 posted...

Steam doesn't work offline.

Why do you think it doesn't, though? Because I use to play steam games at work in my car all the time. And I was definitely offline...
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FinalFantasyVII posted...

I've been in and out of PotD for many years.

RIP old accounts Diet Water and Sfandi. Lost in account bets I made not-sober.

Can't say I've noticed and I use PotD daily and have done for several years.
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LinkPizza posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Steam doesn't work offline.

Why do you think it doesn't, though? Because I use to play steam games at work in my car all the time. And I was definitely offline...

If it did, do you think I would have struggled to load HL2 on multiple occasions? Would I have found a lifelong hate for malware and most digital gaming? You guys weren't there so you'd never know.

DPsx7 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Steam doesn't work offline.

Why do you think it doesn't, though? Because I use to play steam games at work in my car all the time. And I was definitely offline...

If it did, do you think I would have struggled to load HL2 on multiple occasions? Would I have found a lifelong hate for malware and most digital gaming? You guys weren't there so you'd never know.

But you are only talking about you. Multiple people here have clearly stated that they used Steam offline. I have friends that do, as well... So, it works offline, but maybe you have a kind of crappy PC and just want to blame it on steam. Because I haven't heard of ANYONE ELSE having this problem...
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LinkPizza posted...

But you are only talking about you. Multiple people here have clearly stated that they used Steam offline. I have friends that do, as well... So, it works offline, but maybe you have a kind of crappy PC and just want to blame it on steam. Because I haven't heard of ANYONE ELSE having this problem...

Duh, I saw what it did. They claim to but they probably don't know what they're doing. That's who Steam was designed for anyway. It's not the PC, I was playing other 'clean' games back then. Of course you haven't, you don't want to admit anything.

Steam literally lets you play games offline. Thats a fact.
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DPsx7 posted...

They claim to but they probably don't know what they're doing.

Are you saying the people who have played offline don't know what they're doing? You have got to be kidding.

DPsx7 posted...

Of course you haven't, you don't want to admit anything.

I would admit it if I had ever heard of it, but I haven't. You're the one who can't admit that you're factually wrong about this. Steam lets you play offline. It's a literal fact. I don't understand how you don't understand that.
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Chewster posted...

I imagine they pertain to a larger number of people than you think but you've got the PC blinders on and are enraged that not everyone plays games the same way as you

The only one who's posts look enraged are yours.

Chewster posted...

This is why PC elitists are so fucking annoying.

Mad.
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HagenEx posted...

FinalFantasyVII posted...

let's not ignore the fact Super Smash Bros aint on PC and emulating Smash on PC is a faulty experience.

Smash in 2018.

LOL.

A PC pleb earlier used Warcraft III Frozen Throne against Switch.

Literally people in here talking about god damn 2010 Fallout games

Sorry but Smash Bros > Steam

LinkPizza posted...

DPsx7 posted...

They claim to but they probably don't know what they're doing.

Are you saying the people who have played offline don't know what they're doing? You have got to be kidding.

DPsx7 posted...

Of course you haven't, you don't want to admit anything.

I would admit it if I had ever heard of it, but I haven't. You're the one who can't admit that you're factually wrong about this. Steam lets you play offline. It's a literal fact. I don't understand how you don't understand that.

I'm saying the kinds of people who gravitate to Steam don't know their way around a PC. Let's call it training wheels for playing games until you move to something more adult.

You did hear of it - from me. It 100% does not work offline, that's exactly what it told me when my internet was down. Not sure how many other ways I can write this before people understand. The whole thing was designed to fail and I had to leave. Nevermind the forced online, you know I'm not fond of forced updates either.

I dont know what youre on about. You can play steam games offline. You cant log in to steam offline for obvious reasons but you can play games.

Steam games might need internet to update once in a while but thats no different than modern console games.

DPsx7 posted...

It kind of is because as you keep changing the hardware and OS, your old games break.

Which is no less true of consoles. If you replace an N64 with a Gamecube, you won't be able to play your N64 games. If you want to be able to play games that rely on old hardware, don't change your hardware. That applies equally to PC's and consoles, though even then consoles are the worse offenders because PC hardware changes often don't introduce issues (especially these days; anything back to about Windows XP is usually compatible with modern systems).

DPsx7 posted...

As for the second point it's not that simple. We haven't lost paid content but have lost free content and the point I'm making is they have the ability to - it COULD happen.

Sure, it could happen. Valve could, on a whim, decide to revoke 67 million users' libraries entirely. Presuming that each of those users has spent an average of $100 (which is probably actually a pretty conservative estimate), though, they'd then be staring a $6.7 billion class action lawsuit in the face. There's a good chance they'd win, since the EULA does legally permit them to revoke access to people's games for any reason (which is no less true of physical games), but that'd be an awfully expensive lawsuit to fight, and when the dust had settled they'd never make another cent because nobody would trust them.

Could they? Sure. But will they? Almost certainly not, and citing that possibility as a reason to steer clear of Steam and digital sales entirely is ridiculously paranoid.

DPsx7 posted...

They claim to but they probably don't know what they're doing.

You don't really need a lot of expertise to be able to answer the questions "am I playing this game?" and "am I connected to the Internet?". The idea that the people who are able to get Steam working offline are the ones that *don't* know what they're doing is kind of funny.

Do I doubt that you couldn't get it to work in 2006? No, actually. Do I think you're a fool for insisting that it still won't work despite over a decade of updates to the platform and dozens of people telling you that it does? Absolutely.

adjl posted...

trodi_911 posted...

That. Switch+PC is the true master race, just like WiiU+PC or Wii+PC in previous gens.

Yeah. Switch + PC is the absolute zen of gaming. I even have a dock at my desk AND one in the living room, and can just move between my monitor and my TV depending on where I need to be at any given time. Have 2 monitors, so while using the Switch at my desk I can use my computer too. Obviously I can also seamlessly move from PC game to Switch game with the push of a button. It's amazing.

DPsx7 posted...

=ou did hear of it - from me. It 100% does not work offline=

"The sky is red!"
"Actually the sky is blue."
*shows you the definition of the word blue*
*shows you a book with 200 different varieties of bluish hues*
*a panel of 20 people all confirm that the sky is in fact blue*

"The sky is red and no one has proven that I am wrong!"

That's you.
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argonautweakend posted...

I dont know what youre on about. You can play steam games offline. You cant log in to steam offline for obvious reasons but you can play games.

Steam games might need internet to update once in a while but thats no different than modern console games.

Well mine didn't.

To be fair this was back then, so we weren't used to updating. I sometimes skip 'em as I don't like forced updates. This is another thing Steam caused me to hate because there was one day it wouldn't start HL2 until it DL'ed an update. Wasn't playing online, tried to skip, couldn't. My 'improvements' included disrupting the background colors and putting the ammo counter in the middle of the screen. Game worked better without the update.

_AdjI_ posted...

Which is no less true of consoles. If you replace an N64 with a Gamecube, you won't be able to play your N64 games. If you want to be able to play games that rely on old hardware, don't change your hardware. That applies equally to PC's and consoles, though even then consoles are the worse offenders because PC hardware changes often don't introduce issues (especially these days; anything back to about Windows XP is usually compatible with modern systems).

Sure, it could happen. Valve could, on a whim, decide to revoke 67 million users' libraries entirely. Presuming that each of those users has spent an average of $100 (which is probably actually a pretty conservative estimate), though, they'd then be staring a $6.7 billion class action lawsuit in the face. There's a good chance they'd win, since the EULA does legally permit them to revoke access to people's games for any reason (which is no less true of physical games), but that'd be an awfully expensive lawsuit to fight, and when the dust had settled they'd never make another cent because nobody would trust them.

You don't really need a lot of expertise to be able to answer the questions "am I playing this game?" and "am I connected to the Internet?". The idea that the people who are able to get Steam working offline are the ones that *don't* know what they're doing is kind of funny.

Do I doubt that you couldn't get it to work in 2006? No, actually. Do I think you're a fool for insisting that it still won't work despite over a decade of updates to the platform and dozens of people telling you that it does? Absolutely.

Why replace? Either connect them all or rotate them around depending what games you want. Nobody is throwing away their consoles (hopefully). Meanwhile you just keep throwing crap at a PC to fix new games which then breaks old ones. Believe me, I had a PC for years and it's not as foolproof as a console is. They just work.

Yes it could. I don't trust companies to have MY best interests in mind. I don't even trust ISP's to offer a fair price on a reliable connection which is why I refuse 'always online'. Chances are they have fine print somewhere that says they can do what they want and F you. We never got refunds for anything that was delisted on PSN. Online servers go down without compensation. Besides, the lawyers are the only ones getting rewarded.

Steam was created for non PC users. I don't want things to install automatically or even demand I do so. Games just need to work when and where I want them to which makes Steam an awful choice.

man101 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

=ou did hear of it - from me. It 100% does not work offline=

"The sky is red!"
"Actually the sky is blue."
*shows you the definition of the word blue*
*shows you a book with 200 different varieties of bluish hues*
*a panel of 20 people all confirm that the sky is in fact blue*

"The sky is red and no one has proven that I am wrong!"

That's you.

Because I'm looking at a sunset and clearly know the difference between red and blue. I'm not stupid like you people are.

DPsx7 posted...

It 100% does not work offline

And this statement is factually wrong.
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DPsx7 posted...

Why replace?

Because that's exactly what you're suggesting has to happen with PC's, and you can't make a comparison without giving consoles the same treatment.

The difference, of course, is that fully replacing a PC or its parts is the norm, whereas it's much more common to keep older consoles around to be able to play their games. If you instead kept an old PC around to play older games, you would have no compatibility issues. The reason for that norm, though, is that a newer PC is likely to be able to play older games (especially if we're talking about anything this millennium, since it's mostly only pre-XP stuff that presents a problem), whereas a console is not (since console games are specific to that console, specific examples of BC aside). Ergo, PC's are better at compatibility than consoles.

It is also worth noting, though, that GOG has made considerable strides in porting older PC games to alleviate the compatibility issues that might otherwise have plagued them. They're also completely independent from Steam, and in fact have no DRM at all. But I wouldn't expect you to know this because you bury your head in the sand when it comes to modern PC gaming.

DPsx7 posted...

Yes it could. I don't trust companies to have MY best interests in mind.

You didn't actually read what I said, did you? What part of "avoiding a $6.7 billion class action suit and the complete destruction of their ability to ever sell anything again" sounds like I'm suggesting companies have your best interests in mind?

DPsx7 posted...

Steam was created for non PC users.

Who are apparently more capable of figuring out how to make offline mode work than you are.
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i don't even get why people engage dpsx7
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adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Why replace?

Because that's exactly what you're suggesting has to happen with PC's, and you can't make a comparison without giving consoles the same treatment.

The difference, of course, is that fully replacing a PC or its parts is the norm, whereas it's much more common to keep older consoles around to be able to play their games. If you instead kept an old PC around to play older games, you would have no compatibility issues. The reason for that norm, though, is that a newer PC is likely to be able to play older games (especially if we're talking about anything this millennium, since it's mostly only pre-XP stuff that presents a problem), whereas a console is not (since console games are specific to that console, specific examples of BC aside). Ergo, PC's are better at compatibility than consoles.

It is also worth noting, though, that GOG has made considerable strides in porting older PC games to alleviate the compatibility issues that might otherwise have plagued them. They're also completely independent from Steam, and in fact have no DRM at all. But I wouldn't expect you to know this because you bury your head in the sand when it comes to modern PC gaming.

DPsx7 posted...

Yes it could. I don't trust companies to have MY best interests in mind.

You didn't actually read what I said, did you? What part of "avoiding a $6.7 billion class action suit and the complete destruction of their ability to ever sell anything again" sounds like I'm suggesting companies have your best interests in mind?

DPsx7 posted...

Steam was created for non PC users.

Who are apparently more capable of figuring out how to make offline mode work than you are.

That's not even close. Who buys a new PC and keeps the old? The kiddies upgrade instead which breaks compatibility. Consoles are buy once and work forever. Ease of use is important. And if you were dumb enough to get Win 10 then that auto-updates too. Hope you don't care about gaming... I heard about Gog. Lol, you still think PC counts as 'modern gaming' despite all I taught you.

What suit? People could try but those agreements nobody reads means they go nowhere. You have no clue what's going on here. Frankly I'd be thrilled if they never sold anything again. I mean since we're down to just Sony and Nin it'd be neat to have a third option like Sega, Atari, or PC's again.

We've come to the end of that part. There's no offline mode. Read it again just to be sure. Steam is for the kinds of low cards that can't figure things out. If they could, they wouldn't need the malware.

green dragon posted...

i don't even get why people engage dpsx7

They want me to be wrong for once. But the fact they keep trying proves they haven't succeeded.

green dragon posted...

i don't even get why people engage dpsx7

Same.
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DPsx7 posted...

They want me to be wrong for once. But the fact they keep trying proves they haven't succeeded

You're wrong every time, you just enjoy the attention
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DPsx7 posted...

green dragon posted...

i don't even get why people engage dpsx7

They want me to be wrong for once. But the fact they keep trying proves they haven't succeeded.

I'm just gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're in incredibly persistent troll because I do not believe anyone could actually be as dense as you appear to be and still function in life. Because none of your arguments are factual, nor are they either internally or externally logically consistent for the most part.
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man101 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

green dragon posted...

i don't even get why people engage dpsx7

They want me to be wrong for once. But the fact they keep trying proves they haven't succeeded.

I'm just gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're in incredibly persistent troll because I do not believe anyone could actually be as dense as you appear to be and still function in life. Because none of your arguments are factual, nor are they either internally or externally logically consistent for the most part.

I was starting to think that, too...
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Lokarin posted...

Umm, no.

I can see arguments that the Switch is the best current console, but PC will always win. It always has.

Topic was literally done at post #2.
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PC has been done since Switch came into the World