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Giant_Aspirin 09/14/18 5:06:27 PM #202:	and you'll argue that all of their socially conservative policies don't qualify as "right-wing", right? --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:908760735] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>and you'll argue that all of their socially conservative policies don't qualify as "right-wing", right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 09/14/18 5:10:24 PM #203:	but i hope we can both agree that trying to equate the Nazis to either political party in the US is equally stupid/ignorant. saying "well the Nazis did this thing and its similar to what <insert party here> is doing ergo that party is like the Nazis!!11!!11!" is just foolish, yeah? --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:908760964] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>but i hope we can both agree that trying to equate the Nazis to either political party in the US is equally stupid/ignorant. saying "well the Nazis did this thing and its similar to what <insert party here> is doing ergo that party is like the Nazis!!11!!11!" is just foolish, yeah?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/14/18 5:11:14 PM #204:	Giant_Aspirin posted... and you'll argue that all of their socially conservative policies don't qualify as "right-wing", right? I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't. Like, Marx REALLY hated jews and said that they were hucksters and that money was their god. Is he right wing then? Because anti-semintism would unquestionably be something he and Hitler would agree on. Giant_Aspirin posted... but i hope we can both agree that trying to equate the Nazis to either political party in the US is equally stupid/ignorant. saying "well the Nazis did this thing and its similar to what <insert party here> is doing ergo that party is like the Nazis!!11!!11!" is just foolish, yeah? Yeah, obviously. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908761012] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>and you'll argue that all of their socially conservative policies don't qualify as "right-wing", right?</quote> I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't. Like, Marx REALLY hated jews and said that they were hucksters and that money was their god. Is he right wing then? Because anti-semintism would unquestionably be something he and Hitler would agree on. <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>but i hope we can both agree that trying to equate the Nazis to either political party in the US is equally stupid/ignorant. saying "well the Nazis did this thing and its similar to what <insert party here> is doing ergo that party is like the Nazis!!11!!11!" is just foolish, yeah?</quote> Yeah, obviously.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 09/14/18 5:12:24 PM #205:	Mal_Fet posted... I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't. but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not? --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:908761090] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't.</quote> but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/14/18 5:40:31 PM #206:	Giant_Aspirin posted... Mal_Fet posted... I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't. but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not? Typically sure. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908762694] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't.</quote> but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not?</quote> Typically sure.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/14/18 5:52:33 PM #207:	Mal_Fet posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Mal_Fet posted... I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't. but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not? Typically sure. What about people with transient lifestyles and people with disabilities? Which side is likely to advocate for folks of those persuasions? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:908763372] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't.</quote> but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not?</quote> Typically sure.</quote> What about people with transient lifestyles and people with disabilities? Which side is likely to advocate for folks of those persuasions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/14/18 6:01:43 PM #208:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Mal_Fet posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Mal_Fet posted... I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't. but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not? Typically sure. What about people with transient lifestyles and people with disabilities? Which side is likely to advocate for folks of those persuasions? Anyone who's not a mega authoritarian --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908763886] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't.</quote> but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not?</quote> Typically sure.</quote> What about people with transient lifestyles and people with disabilities? Which side is likely to advocate for folks of those persuasions?</quote> Anyone who's not a mega authoritarian</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/14/18 7:54:46 PM #209:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Mal_Fet posted... Giant_Aspirin posted... Mal_Fet posted... I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't. but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not? Typically sure. What about people with transient lifestyles and people with disabilities? Which side is likely to advocate for folks of those persuasions? Anyone who's not a mega authoritarian I actually need to rephrase that because I made an error in the question by leaving out a word. It should read "Which side is less likely..." My bad. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:908769894] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>I will argue that bigotry is not a prerequisite of or exclusive to right wing politics, which it isn't.</quote> but being anti-homosexual is something typically associated with social conservatives, is it not?</quote> Typically sure.</quote> What about people with transient lifestyles and people with disabilities? Which side is likely to advocate for folks of those persuasions?</quote> Anyone who's not a mega authoritarian</quote> I actually need to rephrase that because I made an error in the question by leaving out a word. It should read "Which side is less likely..." My bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 09/14/18 9:25:58 PM #210:	a key distinction between Socialism and Nazism that i failed to recognize earlier (and that's totally my bad) is that the former is done in the interest of The People and the latter is done in the interest of The State. Hitler primarily viewed the German economy as an instrument of power and believed the economy was not about creating wealth and technical progress so as to improve the quality of life for a nation's citizenry, but rather that economic success was paramount for providing the means and material foundations necessary for military conquest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-236 Socialism, on the other hand, aims to have industry, or aspects of it, controlled and managed by The State, but done so for the benefit of, or in the the interest of, "The People". of course there are many governments/States that claim to be "Socialist", or to enact "Socialist" policies, but due to corruption the profits or gains of that industry are not distributed to the proper recipients. and when totalitarian/authoritarian regimes aim to take control over industries it's certainly easier to sell it to the people by claiming it's for them, rather than admitting the actual motivations. --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:908774800] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>a key distinction between Socialism and Nazism that i failed to recognize earlier (and that's totally my bad) is that the former is done in the interest of The People and the latter is done in the interest of The State. Hitler primarily viewed the German economy as an instrument of power and believed the economy was not about creating wealth and technical progress so as to improve the quality of life for a nation's citizenry, but rather that economic success was paramount for providing the means and material foundations necessary for military conquest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-236 Socialism, on the other hand, aims to have industry, or aspects of it, controlled and managed by The State, but done so for the benefit of, or in the the interest of, "The People". of course there are many governments/States that claim to be "Socialist", or to enact "Socialist" policies, but due to corruption the profits or gains of that industry are not distributed to the proper recipients. and when totalitarian/authoritarian regimes aim to take control over industries it's certainly easier to sell it to the people by claiming it's for them, rather than admitting the actual motivations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/14/18 9:49:35 PM #211:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... I actually need to rephrase that because I made an error in the question by leaving out a word. It should read "Which side is less likely..." My bad. Like I said, any mega authoritarian. Anyone with a lifestyle that is considered degenerate by the state is persecuted, regardless of the exact politics of an authoritarian regime. You see that kind of thing from left-wing tyrants like Stalin to right-wing tyrants like Pinochet. Giant_Aspirin posted... a key distinction between Socialism and Nazism that i failed to recognize earlier (and that's totally my bad) is that the former is done in the interest of The People and the latter is done in the interest of The State. Hitler primarily viewed the German economy as an instrument of power and believed the economy was not about creating wealth and technical progress so as to improve the quality of life for a nation's citizenry, but rather that economic success was paramount for providing the means and material foundations necessary for military conquest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-236 Socialism, on the other hand, aims to have industry, or aspects of it, controlled and managed by The State, but done so for the benefit of, or in the the interest of, "The People". of course there are many governments/States that claim to be "Socialist", or to enact "Socialist" policies, but due to corruption the profits or gains of that industry are not distributed to the proper recipients. and when totalitarian/authoritarian regimes aim to take control over industries it's certainly easier to sell it to the people by claiming it's for them, rather than admitting the actual motivations. When it comes to authoritarians, there's no actual difference between "the state" and "the people" because the state will always assume that its interests are what's best for the people. Hitler genuinely believed that what he did was for the good of the people, like Stalin did. I mean, can you name an authoritarian left-wing government that wasn't like that --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908776051] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>I actually need to rephrase that because I made an error in the question by leaving out a word. It should read "Which side is less likely..." My bad.</quote> Like I said, any mega authoritarian. Anyone with a lifestyle that is considered degenerate by the state is persecuted, regardless of the exact politics of an authoritarian regime. You see that kind of thing from left-wing tyrants like Stalin to right-wing tyrants like Pinochet. <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>a key distinction between Socialism and Nazism that i failed to recognize earlier (and that's totally my bad) is that the former is done in the interest of The People and the latter is done in the interest of The State. Hitler primarily viewed the German economy as an instrument of power and believed the economy was not about creating wealth and technical progress so as to improve the quality of life for a nation's citizenry, but rather that economic success was paramount for providing the means and material foundations necessary for military conquest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-236 Socialism, on the other hand, aims to have industry, or aspects of it, controlled and managed by The State, but done so for the benefit of, or in the the interest of, "The People". of course there are many governments/States that claim to be "Socialist", or to enact "Socialist" policies, but due to corruption the profits or gains of that industry are not distributed to the proper recipients. and when totalitarian/authoritarian regimes aim to take control over industries it's certainly easier to sell it to the people by claiming it's for them, rather than admitting the actual motivations.</quote> When it comes to authoritarians, there's no actual difference between "the state" and "the people" because the state will always assume that its interests are what's best for the people. Hitler genuinely believed that what he did was for the good of the people, like Stalin did. I mean, can you name an authoritarian left-wing government that wasn't like that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 09/14/18 9:56:34 PM #212:	Mal is still fucking going lol --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:908776402] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>Mal is still fucking going lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 09/14/18 9:57:03 PM #213:	Mal_Fet posted... When it comes to authoritarians, there's no actual difference between "the state" and "the people" because the state will always assume that its interests are what's best for the people. Hitler genuinely believed that what he did was for the good of the people, like Stalin did. thats exactly my point, and that's why Socialism isn't authoritarian. by definition, it means "social ownership", and ownership implies a share of the proceeds. under Socialism the people get a share of the profits, but under Authoritarianism, it all goes to the authority/State/government. and re-read the quote i put up there, in #210, Hitler definitely didn't believe the goal was to benefit "the people". --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:908776438] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>When it comes to authoritarians, there's no actual difference between "the state" and "the people" because the state will always assume that its interests are what's best for the people. Hitler genuinely believed that what he did was for the good of the people, like Stalin did. </quote> thats exactly my point, and that's why Socialism isn't authoritarian. by definition, it means "social ownership", and ownership implies a share of the proceeds. under Socialism the people get a share of the profits, but under Authoritarianism, it all goes to the authority/State/government. and re-read the quote i put up there, in #210, Hitler definitely didn't believe the goal was to benefit "the people".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 09/14/18 9:58:11 PM #214:	Doom_Art posted... Mal is still fucking going lol i mean, to be fair, i am still discussing it with him. --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:908776506] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>Mal is still fucking going lol</quote> i mean, to be fair, i am still discussing it with him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/14/18 9:58:27 PM #215:	Why has the world at large erroneously pegged Nazis as right-wing since WW2? What are they hiding? Why don't they make the same mistake with Stalin and the Soviets? Why has this fake news conspiracy gained so much traction that almost everyone has accepted it for decades, including nearly all experts? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:908776517] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>Why has the world at large erroneously pegged Nazis as right-wing since WW2? What are they hiding? Why don't they make the same mistake with Stalin and the Soviets? Why has this fake news conspiracy gained so much traction that almost everyone has accepted it for decades, including nearly all experts?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/14/18 10:09:11 PM #216:	Giant_Aspirin posted... thats exactly my point, and that's why Socialism isn't authoritarian. by definition, it means "social ownership", and ownership implies a share of the proceeds. Socialism may not be authoritarian in concept but it certainly is in practice. under Socialism the people get a share of the profits, but under Authoritarianism, it all goes to the authority/State/government. Remember, I'm talking about leftism in general, not socialism. But even if I was, there is no feasible way to distribute a government's profits without the government as an intermediary. You can't have everyone in a country of 40 million sit in a kumbaya circle and take their fair share of bread. In a socialist government, they have to stand in bread lines to get their rations for the week from the government. And we already went over how Nazi Germany had a huge and robust welfare system, didn't we? So not all the profits were being taken by the state there. hockeybub89 posted... Why has the world at large erroneously pegged Nazis as right-wing since WW2? What are they hiding? Why don't they make the same mistake with Stalin and the Soviets? Why has this fake news conspiracy gained so much traction that almost everyone has accepted it for decades, including nearly all experts? Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908777101] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>thats exactly my point, and that's why Socialism isn't authoritarian. by definition, it means "social ownership", and ownership implies a share of the proceeds.</quote> Socialism may not be authoritarian in concept but it certainly is in practice. <quote>under Socialism the people get a share of the profits, but under Authoritarianism, it all goes to the authority/State/government.</quote> Remember, I'm talking about leftism in general, not socialism. But even if I was, there is no feasible way to distribute a government's profits without the government as an intermediary. You can't have everyone in a country of 40 million sit in a kumbaya circle and take their fair share of bread. In a socialist government, they have to stand in bread lines to get their rations for the week from the government. And we already went over how Nazi Germany had a huge and robust welfare system, didn't we? So not all the profits were being taken by the state there. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Why has the world at large erroneously pegged Nazis as right-wing since WW2? What are they hiding? Why don't they make the same mistake with Stalin and the Soviets? Why has this fake news conspiracy gained so much traction that almost everyone has accepted it for decades, including nearly all experts?</quote> Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 09/14/18 10:13:27 PM #217:	Alpha218 posted... Steve King is one of the most notorious racists in Congress --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:908777335] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>Steve King is one of the most notorious racists in Congress</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hawaiian_punch 09/14/18 11:09:49 PM #218:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Hawaiian_punch posted... @Mal_Fet come on man, I have been trying to have a honest, open conversation with you but you keep ignoring me That's what he does. Are you joking, I only respond to serious posts. I only ignore troll posts like his. How do you know my post is a troll post when you havent even seen it? <cite>Hawaiian_punch posted [p:908780127] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hawaiian_punch posted...</cite> <quote>@Mal_Fet come on man, I have been trying to have a honest, open conversation with you but you keep ignoring me</quote> That's what he does.</quote> Are you joking, I only respond to serious posts. I only ignore troll posts like his.</quote> How do you know my post is a troll post when you havent even seen it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zodd3224 09/14/18 11:12:03 PM #219:	Alpha218 posted... Steve King is one of the most notorious racists in Congress --- https://imgur.com/qAas5O2 <cite>Zodd3224 posted [p:908780234] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alpha218 posted...</cite> <quote>Steve King is one of the most notorious racists in Congress</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andromedadude3 09/14/18 11:50:49 PM #220:	The Bolsheviks crushed trade unions when they seized power. Does that make them right wing? --- "You think you do, but you don't." <cite>andromedadude3 posted [p:908782142] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>The Bolsheviks crushed trade unions when they seized power. Does that make them right wing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/15/18 2:11:55 AM #221:	andromedadude3 posted... The Bolsheviks crushed trade unions when they seized power. Does that make them right wing? They don't count because reasons --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908787850] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>andromedadude3 posted...</cite> <quote>The Bolsheviks crushed trade unions when they seized power. Does that make them right wing?</quote> They don't count because reasons</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/15/18 2:29:43 AM #222:	Mal_Fet posted... Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true? But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:908788303] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true?</quote> But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mal_Fet 09/15/18 2:35:18 AM #225:	hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true? But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically? If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908788469] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true?</quote> But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically?</quote> If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 09/15/18 2:58:06 AM #227:	Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true? But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically? If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing. Their actions, which are those of the typical authoritarian right-wing. Far-left dictatorships reject tradition and nationalism. They also start under the pretext of equality. We can't help that you have easy access to trillions of words like everyone else and interpret them in ways no one else does Let's try this in simple terms that anyone can understand. Take your average run-of-the mill liberal and conservative. Radicalize them and one would be Stalin and the other would be Hitler. They are extremist versions of everyday right and left wing beliefs. A Christian terrorist might sound a lot like a Muslim terrorist, but he still believes Jesus as the Son of God. Again, why will no one see the obvious truth you do? What is the reasoning for this worldwide, multi-generational delusion? Why is even every expert in related fields completely mistaken? Is their an agenda? A disease? What is causing the confusion? No one has any trouble calling other far-left state left-wing. Why Nazis? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:908789081] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true?</quote> But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically?</quote> If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing.</quote> Their actions, which are those of the typical authoritarian right-wing. Far-left dictatorships reject tradition and nationalism. They also start under the pretext of equality. We can't help that you have easy access to trillions of words like everyone else and interpret them in ways no one else does Let's try this in simple terms that anyone can understand. Take your average run-of-the mill liberal and conservative. Radicalize them and one would be Stalin and the other would be Hitler. They are extremist versions of everyday right and left wing beliefs. A Christian terrorist might sound a lot like a Muslim terrorist, but he still believes Jesus as the Son of God. Again, why will no one see the obvious truth you do? What is the reasoning for this worldwide, multi-generational delusion? Why is even every expert in related fields completely mistaken? Is their an agenda? A disease? What is causing the confusion? No one has any trouble calling other far-left state left-wing. Why Nazis?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 09/15/18 3:01:32 AM #228:	Oh, look, another racist old politician pulling some impressive mental gymnastics to try and argue that the Nazis were socialists, even though they openly expressed violent disdain against socialists. These people make me want to evacuate the planet. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:908789185] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>Oh, look, another racist old politician pulling some impressive mental gymnastics to try and argue that the Nazis were socialists, even though they openly expressed violent disdain against socialists. These people make me want to evacuate the planet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 09/15/18 3:04:09 AM #229:	hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true? But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically? If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing. Their actions, which are those of the typical authoritarian right-wing. Far-left dictatorships reject tradition and nationalism. They also start under the pretext of equality. We can't help that you have easy access to trillions of words like everyone else and interpret them in ways no one else does Let's try this in simple terms that anyone can understand. Take your average run-of-the mill liberal and conservative. Radicalize them and one would be Stalin and the other would be Hitler. They are extremist versions of everyday right and left wing beliefs. A Christian terrorist might sound a lot like a Muslim terrorist, but he still believes Jesus as the Son of God. Again, why will no one see the obvious truth you do? What is the reasoning for this worldwide, multi-generational delusion? Why is even every expert in related fields completely mistaken? Is their an agenda? A disease? What is causing the confusion? No one has any trouble calling other far-left state left-wing. Why Nazis? I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:908789252] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote> Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true? </quote> But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically? </quote> If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing.</quote> Their actions, which are those of the typical authoritarian right-wing. Far-left dictatorships reject tradition and nationalism. They also start under the pretext of equality. We can't help that you have easy access to trillions of words like everyone else and interpret them in ways no one else does Let's try this in simple terms that anyone can understand. Take your average run-of-the mill liberal and conservative. Radicalize them and one would be Stalin and the other would be Hitler. They are extremist versions of everyday right and left wing beliefs. A Christian terrorist might sound a lot like a Muslim terrorist, but he still believes Jesus as the Son of God. Again, why will no one see the obvious truth you do? What is the reasoning for this worldwide, multi-generational delusion? Why is even every expert in related fields completely mistaken? Is their an agenda? A disease? What is causing the confusion? No one has any trouble calling other far-left state left-wing. Why Nazis?</quote> I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/15/18 3:04:34 AM #230:	Dash_Harber posted... Oh, look, another racist old politician pulling some impressive mental gymnastics to try and argue that the Nazis were socialists, even though they openly expressed violent disdain against socialists. These people make me want to evacuate the planet. Hey, just because North Korea actively kills its people doesn't mean it isn't actually a people's republic. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:908789266] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, look, another racist old politician pulling some impressive mental gymnastics to try and argue that the Nazis were socialists, even though they openly expressed violent disdain against socialists. These people make me want to evacuate the planet.</quote> Hey, just because North Korea actively kills its people doesn't mean it isn't actually a people's republic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 09/15/18 3:08:31 AM #231:	hockeybub89 posted... Dash_Harber posted... Oh, look, another racist old politician pulling some impressive mental gymnastics to try and argue that the Nazis were socialists, even though they openly expressed violent disdain against socialists. These people make me want to evacuate the planet. Hey, just because North Korea actively kills its people doesn't mean it isn't actually a people's republic. Haha, I know right? I just don't get why history classes aren't mandatory for all politicians. Like, why the fuck are we electing people who have no idea about the history of the people and groups that they have to make decisions for on a daily basis? We make doctors study the history of medicine, and scientists have to study the history of their field, so why is this different? <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:908789371] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dash_Harber posted...</cite> <quote>Oh, look, another racist old politician pulling some impressive mental gymnastics to try and argue that the Nazis were socialists, even though they openly expressed violent disdain against socialists. These people make me want to evacuate the planet.</quote> Hey, just because North Korea actively kills its people doesn't mean it isn't actually a people's republic.</quote> Haha, I know right? I just don't get why history classes aren't mandatory for all politicians. Like, why the fuck are we electing people who have no idea about the history of the people and groups that they have to make decisions for on a daily basis? We make doctors study the history of medicine, and scientists have to study the history of their field, so why is this different?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 09/15/18 3:18:46 AM #232:	Howl posted... I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:908789666] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote>I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis.</quote> Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 09/15/18 11:53:12 AM #233:	Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true? But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically? If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional leftright spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11] six citations on that quote, feel free to read up and educate yourself. unless you believe that you've actually uncovered some logical argument that has alluded scholars for decades and decades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics Although the right-wing originated with traditional conservatives, monarchists and reactionaries, the term extreme right-wing has also been applied to movements including fascists, Nazis and racial supremacists.[21] --- Playing: Dead Cells; Xenoblade 2; Mario Odyssey *(~);} - I suppose it will all make sense when we grow up - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:908802510] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true?</quote> But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically?</quote> If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional leftright spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11] six citations on that quote, feel free to read up and educate yourself. unless you believe that you've actually uncovered some logical argument that has alluded scholars for decades and decades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics Although the right-wing originated with traditional conservatives, monarchists and reactionaries, the term extreme right-wing has also been applied to movements including fascists, Nazis and racial supremacists.[21]</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 09/15/18 11:56:03 AM #234:	scar the 1 posted... Howl posted... I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:908802610] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis.</quote> Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology.</quote> No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 09/15/18 12:06:51 PM #235:	Howl posted... scar the 1 posted... Howl posted... I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH8skGXKw4 WHOOP WHOOP <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:908803084] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis.</quote> Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology.</quote> No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/</quote> Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 09/15/18 12:08:58 PM #236:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Howl posted... scar the 1 posted... Howl posted... I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:908803202] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. </quote> Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. </quote> No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/</quote> Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable</quote> What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 09/15/18 12:11:49 PM #237:	Howl posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Howl posted... scar the 1 posted... Howl posted... I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe? Nope, which isn't what I claimed at all either. Experts in the field doesn't mean "liberal professors". It could, but it doesn't directly mean as such which is why your accusation that all people who claimed Nazism is right wing all studied under the same ideology isn't accurate. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH8skGXKw4 WHOOP WHOOP <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:908803322] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. </quote> Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. </quote> No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/</quote> Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable</quote> What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe?</quote> Nope, which isn't what I claimed at all either. Experts in the field doesn't mean "liberal professors". It could, but it doesn't directly mean as such which is why your accusation that all people who claimed Nazism is right wing all studied under the same ideology isn't accurate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/15/18 12:14:09 PM #238:	CrimsonRage posted... Mal_Fet posted... it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing. this entire thread has people explaining it you're just not accepting their answers your definitions of words are completely at odds with normal people's Bullshit, I've responded to everything here that aren't blatant troll posts. hockeybub89 posted... Their actions, which are those of the typical authoritarian right-wing. Far-left dictatorships reject tradition and nationalism. They also start under the pretext of equality. We can't help that you have easy access to trillions of words like everyone else and interpret them in ways no one else does Far left dictatorships have literally never rejected nationalism, and they will maintain the traditions they find useful. Mao Zedong for example really liked Confucianism and obviously his propaganda was mean to evoke nationalist pride. Much like how Hitler evoked tradition in the myths portrayed by Wagner and how his propaganda was also highly involving nationalist pride. hockeybub89 posted... Let's try this in simple terms that anyone can understand. Take your average run-of-the mill liberal and conservative. Radicalize them and one would be Stalin and the other would be Hitler. They are extremist versions of everyday right and left wing beliefs. A Christian terrorist might sound a lot like a Muslim terrorist, but he still believes Jesus as the Son of God. So, horseshoe theory? They're similar because all radicals become similar, regardless of their politics? That would make sense, but you'd still need to explain away all the blatantly leftist policies the Nazis had. hockeybub89 posted... Again, why will no one see the obvious truth you do? What is the reasoning for this worldwide, multi-generational delusion? Why is even every expert in related fields completely mistaken? Is their an agenda? A disease? What is causing the confusion? No one has any trouble calling other far-left state left-wing. Why Nazis? https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908803414] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing.</quote> this entire thread has people explaining it you're just not accepting their answers your definitions of words are completely at odds with normal people's</quote> Bullshit, I've responded to everything here that aren't blatant troll posts. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Their actions, which are those of the typical authoritarian right-wing. Far-left dictatorships reject tradition and nationalism. They also start under the pretext of equality. We can't help that you have easy access to trillions of words like everyone else and interpret them in ways no one else does</quote> Far left dictatorships have literally never rejected nationalism, and they will maintain the traditions they find useful. Mao Zedong for example really liked Confucianism and obviously his propaganda was mean to evoke nationalist pride. Much like how Hitler evoked tradition in the myths portrayed by Wagner and how his propaganda was also highly involving nationalist pride. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Let's try this in simple terms that anyone can understand. Take your average run-of-the mill liberal and conservative. Radicalize them and one would be Stalin and the other would be Hitler. They are extremist versions of everyday right and left wing beliefs. A Christian terrorist might sound a lot like a Muslim terrorist, but he still believes Jesus as the Son of God. </quote> So, horseshoe theory? They're similar because all radicals become similar, regardless of their politics? That would make sense, but you'd still need to explain away all the blatantly leftist policies the Nazis had. <cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>Again, why will no one see the obvious truth you do? What is the reasoning for this worldwide, multi-generational delusion? Why is even every expert in related fields completely mistaken? Is their an agenda? A disease? What is causing the confusion? No one has any trouble calling other far-left state left-wing. Why Nazis? </quote> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/15/18 12:14:12 PM #239:	Giant_Aspirin posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional leftright spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11] six citations on that quote, feel free to read up and educate yourself. So are you just gonna ignore that whole back-and-forth we just had where you weren't able to explain yourself what right wing policies the Nazis had Anyway, I would love to track down those books and review them in a topic. I just might in the future. Giant_Aspirin posted... unless you believe that you've actually uncovered some logical argument that has alluded scholars for decades and decades https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority Giant_Aspirin posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics Although the right-wing originated with traditional conservatives, monarchists and reactionaries, the term extreme right-wing has also been applied to movements including fascists, Nazis and racial supremacists.[21] Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]:p. 693, 721[5][6][7][8][9] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[14] There are and have always been hierarchies and inequality in authoritarian left-wing governments. Is saying "this hierarchy is the result of the Dear Leader being ordained by the the 'will of the people' and those who oppose the state are non-persons" functionally different from "this hierarchy is the result of the Fuhrer being ordained by the 'natural order' and those who oppose the state are non-persons"? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908803416] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional leftright spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10][11] six citations on that quote, feel free to read up and educate yourself.</quote> So are you just gonna ignore that whole back-and-forth we just had where you weren't able to explain yourself what right wing policies the Nazis had Anyway, I would love to track down those books and review them in a topic. I just might in the future. <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>unless you believe that you've actually uncovered some logical argument that has alluded scholars for decades and decades </quote> https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics Although the right-wing originated with traditional conservatives, monarchists and reactionaries, the term extreme right-wing has also been applied to movements including fascists, Nazis and racial supremacists.[21]</quote> <quote>Right-wing politics hold that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal or desirable,[1][2][3] typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics or tradition.[4]:p. 693, 721[5][6][7][8][9] Hierarchy and inequality may be viewed as natural results of traditional social differences[10][11] or the competition in market economies.[12][13] The term right-wing can generally refer to "the conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system".[14]</quote> There are and have always been hierarchies and inequality in authoritarian left-wing governments. Is saying "this hierarchy is the result of the Dear Leader being ordained by the the 'will of the people' and those who oppose the state are non-persons" functionally different from "this hierarchy is the result of the Fuhrer being ordained by the 'natural order' and those who oppose the state are non-persons"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/15/18 12:15:43 PM #240:	Mal is back again to decuple down. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:908803487] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>Mal is back again to decuple down.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 09/15/18 12:15:43 PM #241:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Howl posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Howl posted... scar the 1 posted... Howl posted... I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe? Nope, which isn't what I claimed at all either. Experts in the field doesn't mean "liberal professors". It could, but it doesn't directly mean as such which is why your accusation that all people who claimed Nazism is right wing all studied under the same ideology isn't accurate. How the fuck does someone become an expert in a related field, which has to at least in some way be related to History, without being influenced in some way by a college professor? They become experts in History by going to college and researching history in an academic setting. History is an entire academic field. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:908803488] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. </quote> Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. </quote> No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ </quote> Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable </quote> What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe?</quote> Nope, which isn't what I claimed at all either. Experts in the field doesn't mean "liberal professors". It could, but it doesn't directly mean as such which is why your accusation that all people who claimed Nazism is right wing all studied under the same ideology isn't accurate.</quote> How the fuck does someone become an expert in a related field, which has to at least in some way be related to History, without being influenced in some way by a college professor? They become experts in History by going to college and researching history in an academic setting. History is an entire academic field.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 09/15/18 12:16:18 PM #242:	Howl posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Howl posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Howl posted... scar the 1 posted... Howl posted... I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe? Nope, which isn't what I claimed at all either. Experts in the field doesn't mean "liberal professors". It could, but it doesn't directly mean as such which is why your accusation that all people who claimed Nazism is right wing all studied under the same ideology isn't accurate. How the fuck does someone become an expert in a related field, which has to at least in some way be related to History, without being influenced in some way by a college professor? They become experts in History by going to college and researching history in an academic setting. History is an entire academic field. Just because you'll never be an expert in anything doesn't mean you have to hate experts. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:908803509] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. </quote> Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. </quote> No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ </quote> Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable </quote> What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe?</quote> Nope, which isn't what I claimed at all either. Experts in the field doesn't mean "liberal professors". It could, but it doesn't directly mean as such which is why your accusation that all people who claimed Nazism is right wing all studied under the same ideology isn't accurate.</quote> How the fuck does someone become an expert in a related field, which has to at least in some way be related to History, without being influenced in some way by a college professor? They become experts in History by going to college and researching history in an academic setting. History is an entire academic field.</quote> Just because you'll never be an expert in anything doesn't mean you have to hate experts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 09/15/18 12:19:27 PM #243:	Howl posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Howl posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... Howl posted... scar the 1 posted... Howl posted... I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe? Nope, which isn't what I claimed at all either. Experts in the field doesn't mean "liberal professors". It could, but it doesn't directly mean as such which is why your accusation that all people who claimed Nazism is right wing all studied under the same ideology isn't accurate. How the fuck does someone become an expert in a related field, which has to at least in some way be related to History, without being influenced in some way by a college professor? They become experts in History by going to college and researching history in an academic setting. History is an entire academic field. That doesn't mean their opinions are wrong nor does it have anything to do with your initial "they are biased because Liberal professors!" bullshit you're trying to push --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH8skGXKw4 WHOOP WHOOP <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:908803657] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>scar the 1 posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote> I don't agree with the idea that Nazis are left-wing, but there's a simple answer to that question. "Experts" in the related field are all taught by people of a similar ideology is the reason that they could all be wrong. I don't think they are in this instance, but an appeal to authority is just ironic in the case of discussion about Nazis. </quote> Experts in the field aren't just taught these things. They make the research themselves. And they're far from the same ideology. </quote> No they're not far from the same ideology. Lmfao. Literally less than 10% of all college professors are conservatives. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/ </quote> Why do you think that proves your point? You'd have to prove those pushing the claim are American professors in universities, which is laughable </quote> What do you think there's actually less liberal professors in colleges in Europe?</quote> Nope, which isn't what I claimed at all either. Experts in the field doesn't mean "liberal professors". It could, but it doesn't directly mean as such which is why your accusation that all people who claimed Nazism is right wing all studied under the same ideology isn't accurate.</quote> How the fuck does someone become an expert in a related field, which has to at least in some way be related to History, without being influenced in some way by a college professor? They become experts in History by going to college and researching history in an academic setting. History is an entire academic field.</quote> That doesn't mean their opinions are wrong nor does it have anything to do with your initial "they are biased because Liberal professors!" bullshit you're trying to push</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/15/18 12:23:22 PM #244:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... I actually need to rephrase that because I made an error in the question by leaving out a word. It should read "Which side is less likely..." My bad. Like I said, any mega authoritarian. Anyone with a lifestyle that is considered degenerate by the state is persecuted, regardless of the exact politics of an authoritarian regime. You see that kind of thing from left-wing tyrants like Stalin to right-wing tyrants like Pinochet. Giant_Aspirin posted... a key distinction between Socialism and Nazism that i failed to recognize earlier (and that's totally my bad) is that the former is done in the interest of The People and the latter is done in the interest of The State. Hitler primarily viewed the German economy as an instrument of power and believed the economy was not about creating wealth and technical progress so as to improve the quality of life for a nation's citizenry, but rather that economic success was paramount for providing the means and material foundations necessary for military conquest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-236 Socialism, on the other hand, aims to have industry, or aspects of it, controlled and managed by The State, but done so for the benefit of, or in the the interest of, "The People". of course there are many governments/States that claim to be "Socialist", or to enact "Socialist" policies, but due to corruption the profits or gains of that industry are not distributed to the proper recipients. and when totalitarian/authoritarian regimes aim to take control over industries it's certainly easier to sell it to the people by claiming it's for them, rather than admitting the actual motivations. When it comes to authoritarians, there's no actual difference between "the state" and "the people" because the state will always assume that its interests are what's best for the people. Hitler genuinely believed that what he did was for the good of the people, like Stalin did. I mean, can you name an authoritarian left-wing government that wasn't like that trump is extremely authoritarian tbh --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:908803835] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>I actually need to rephrase that because I made an error in the question by leaving out a word. It should read "Which side is less likely..." My bad.</quote> Like I said, any mega authoritarian. Anyone with a lifestyle that is considered degenerate by the state is persecuted, regardless of the exact politics of an authoritarian regime. You see that kind of thing from left-wing tyrants like Stalin to right-wing tyrants like Pinochet. <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted...</cite> <quote>a key distinction between Socialism and Nazism that i failed to recognize earlier (and that's totally my bad) is that the former is done in the interest of The People and the latter is done in the interest of The State. Hitler primarily viewed the German economy as an instrument of power and believed the economy was not about creating wealth and technical progress so as to improve the quality of life for a nation's citizenry, but rather that economic success was paramount for providing the means and material foundations necessary for military conquest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-236 Socialism, on the other hand, aims to have industry, or aspects of it, controlled and managed by The State, but done so for the benefit of, or in the the interest of, "The People". of course there are many governments/States that claim to be "Socialist", or to enact "Socialist" policies, but due to corruption the profits or gains of that industry are not distributed to the proper recipients. and when totalitarian/authoritarian regimes aim to take control over industries it's certainly easier to sell it to the people by claiming it's for them, rather than admitting the actual motivations.</quote> When it comes to authoritarians, there's no actual difference between "the state" and "the people" because the state will always assume that its interests are what's best for the people. Hitler genuinely believed that what he did was for the good of the people, like Stalin did. I mean, can you name an authoritarian left-wing government that wasn't like that</quote> trump is extremely authoritarian tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JerseyProudBoy 09/15/18 12:25:28 PM #245:	Imagine arguing the same thing over and over again for years because you're incapable of accepting that you're wrong. --- JERSEY. PROUD. BOY. <cite>JerseyProudBoy posted [p:908803945] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>Imagine arguing the same thing over and over again for years because you're incapable of accepting that you're wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 09/15/18 12:26:51 PM #246:	Friendly reminder that when I asked Mal directly what books he has read to get his knowledge on WW2 he cited Dinesh D'souza bullshit book as factual evidence. You'll never get through to someone who reads straight propaganda and takes it as fact, so no need for you all to try. Let him be wrong and let him feel morally superior because despite all evidence you throw at him he will always reject it --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLH8skGXKw4 WHOOP WHOOP <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:908804011] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>Friendly reminder that when I asked Mal directly what books he has read to get his knowledge on WW2 he cited Dinesh D'souza bullshit book as factual evidence. You'll never get through to someone who reads straight propaganda and takes it as fact, so no need for you all to try. Let him be wrong and let him feel morally superior because despite all evidence you throw at him he will always reject it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Howl 09/15/18 12:27:34 PM #247:	That doesn't mean their opinions are wrong nor does it have anything to do with your initial "they are biased because Liberal professors!" bullshit you're trying to push I didn't say their opinions were wrong, in fact I stated they they weren't. I just was stating a logical reason why they could literally all be wrong about a subject. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.5.1 <cite>Howl posted [p:908804034] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><quote>That doesn't mean their opinions are wrong nor does it have anything to do with your initial "they are biased because Liberal professors!" bullshit you're trying to push</quote> I didn't say their opinions were wrong, in fact I stated they they weren't. I just was stating a logical reason why they could literally all be wrong about a subject.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/15/18 12:27:34 PM #248:	Mal_Fet posted... hockeybub89 posted... Mal_Fet posted... Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true? But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically? If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing. Already happened but you just deny everything everyone says. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:908804035] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Ever heard of the bandwagon fallacy? Do you believe that every widely-held conclusion true?</quote> But Why? What has caused such a drastic misunderstanding that only choice right-wing whackjobs can open their eyes to the obvious truth sitting in front of everyone? Why are the Nazis the one group that everyone is so wildly off-base about placing politically?</quote> If everyone is right and I'm the only one that's wrong, then it should be really easy for you to explain why they're right wing.</quote> Already happened but you just deny everything everyone says.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/15/18 12:29:59 PM #249:	The Great Muta 22 posted... Friendly reminder that when I asked Mal directly what books he has read to get his knowledge on WW2 he cited Dinesh D'souza bullshit book as factual evidence. And also, like, Il Fascismo, the book written by the guy who invented Fascism. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908804163] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>Friendly reminder that when I asked Mal directly what books he has read to get his knowledge on WW2 he cited Dinesh D'souza bullshit book as factual evidence. </quote> And also, like, Il Fascismo, the book written by the guy who invented Fascism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/15/18 12:30:40 PM #250:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Already happened but you just deny everything everyone says. Find me one post in this entire topic that gives an answer to my question that I ignored. Just one. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908804194] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Already happened but you just deny everything everyone says. </quote> Find me one post in this entire topic that gives an answer to my question that I ignored. Just one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/15/18 12:35:44 PM #251:	Howl posted... That doesn't mean their opinions are wrong nor does it have anything to do with your initial "they are biased because Liberal professors!" bullshit you're trying to push I didn't say their opinions were wrong, in fact I stated they they weren't. I just was stating a logical reason why they could literally all be wrong about a subject. And trees could grow out of someone's ass. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:908804450] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Howl posted...</cite> <quote><quote>That doesn't mean their opinions are wrong nor does it have anything to do with your initial "they are biased because Liberal professors!" bullshit you're trying to push</quote> I didn't say their opinions were wrong, in fact I stated they they weren't. I just was stating a logical reason why they could literally all be wrong about a subject.</quote> And trees could grow out of someone's ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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