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Mal_Fet 09/15/18 10:10:41 PM #302:	Broseph_Stalin posted... That's the literal fucking definition of egalitarian dude. People being equal under the law and equal in terms of rights is not the same thing as economic or social equality. Broseph_Stalin posted... If it was rigid you wouldn't be seeing the same thing today. Where are we seeing monarchies or absolute social equality in left-wing governments --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908832104] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>That's the literal fucking definition of egalitarian dude. </quote> People being equal under the law and equal in terms of rights is not the same thing as economic or social equality. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>If it was rigid you wouldn't be seeing the same thing today. </quote> Where are we seeing monarchies or absolute social equality in left-wing governments</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 09/15/18 10:19:27 PM #303:	Mal_Fet posted... People being equal under the law and equal in terms of rights is not the same thing as economic or social equality. Equality under the law does not prevent social hierarchies from forming. A right-winger would say this is because they are inevitable, a left-winger would say there are forces outside of the law at work (money in politics benefiting the upper class for example) or that the law itself isn't truly egalitarian in practice. And you absolutely see the same debate going on today. Same-sex marriage, immigration, campaign finance, etc all revolve around egalitarianism vs social hierarchy. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:908832495] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>People being equal under the law and equal in terms of rights is not the same thing as economic or social equality.</quote> Equality under the law does not prevent social hierarchies from forming. A right-winger would say this is because they are inevitable, a left-winger would say there are forces outside of the law at work (money in politics benefiting the upper class for example) or that the law itself isn't truly egalitarian in practice. And you absolutely see the same debate going on today. Same-sex marriage, immigration, campaign finance, etc all revolve around egalitarianism vs social hierarchy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/15/18 10:22:20 PM #304:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Mal_Fet posted... People being equal under the law and equal in terms of rights is not the same thing as economic or social equality. Equality under the law does not prevent social hierarchies from forming. A right-winger would say this is because they are inevitable, a left-winger would say there are forces outside of the law at work (money in politics benefiting the upper class for example) or that the law itself isn't truly egalitarian in practice. And you absolutely see the same debate going on today. Same-sex marriage, immigration, campaign finance, etc all revolve around egalitarianism vs social hierarchy. How many left-wing governments need to Institute stark social hierarchies before we admit that maybe the left isn't actually about that --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908832622] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>People being equal under the law and equal in terms of rights is not the same thing as economic or social equality.</quote> Equality under the law does not prevent social hierarchies from forming. A right-winger would say this is because they are inevitable, a left-winger would say there are forces outside of the law at work (money in politics benefiting the upper class for example) or that the law itself isn't truly egalitarian in practice. And you absolutely see the same debate going on today. Same-sex marriage, immigration, campaign finance, etc all revolve around egalitarianism vs social hierarchy.</quote> How many left-wing governments need to Institute stark social hierarchies before we admit that maybe the left isn't actually about that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 09/15/18 10:27:12 PM #305:	Mal_Fet posted... How many left-wing governments need to Institute stark social hierarchies before we admit that maybe the left isn't actually about that How many would have to make a society more egalitarian for you to stop using logical fallacies? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:908832842] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>How many left-wing governments need to Institute stark social hierarchies before we admit that maybe the left isn't actually about that</quote> How many would have to make a society more egalitarian for you to stop using logical fallacies?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/15/18 10:38:55 PM #306:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Mal_Fet posted... How many left-wing governments need to Institute stark social hierarchies before we admit that maybe the left isn't actually about that How many would have to make a society more egalitarian for you to stop using logical fallacies? If making a country more socially equal than it was before is the definition we're going with for left wing, then were the founding fathers of the US all left wing? And just so we're clear, we're in some seriously off-the-wall territory by going with the idea that people like Stalin and Mao were more egalitarian than the Czars and emperors who came before them. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908833332] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>How many left-wing governments need to Institute stark social hierarchies before we admit that maybe the left isn't actually about that</quote> How many would have to make a society more egalitarian for you to stop using logical fallacies?</quote> If making a country more socially equal than it was before is the definition we're going with for left wing, then were the founding fathers of the US all left wing? And just so we're clear, we're in some seriously off-the-wall territory by going with the idea that people like Stalin and Mao were more egalitarian than the Czars and emperors who came before them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 09/15/18 10:43:07 PM #307:	Mal_Fet posted... then were the founding fathers of the US all left wing? How do you not know anything about the American Revolution? If you can find the time to watch Dinesh D'Souza propaganda films surely you have time to read a book or two? Mal_Fet posted... And just so we're clear, we're in some seriously off-the-wall territory He said in a topic where he argues that Nazis weren't right-wing. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:908833505] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>then were the founding fathers of the US all left wing?</quote> How do you not know anything about the American Revolution? If you can find the time to watch Dinesh D'Souza propaganda films surely you have time to read a book or two? <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>And just so we're clear, we're in some seriously off-the-wall territory</quote> He said in a topic where he argues that Nazis weren't right-wing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 09/15/18 10:43:53 PM #308:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Mal_Fet posted... then were the founding fathers of the US all left wing? How do you not know anything about the American Revolution? If you can find the time to watch Dinesh D'Souza propaganda films surely you have time to read a book or two? Mal_Fet posted... And just so we're clear, we're in some seriously off-the-wall territory He said in a topic where he argues that Nazis weren't right-wing. Are you gonna answer my questions or not --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:908833541] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>then were the founding fathers of the US all left wing?</quote> How do you not know anything about the American Revolution? If you can find the time to watch Dinesh D'Souza propaganda films surely you have time to read a book or two? <cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>And just so we're clear, we're in some seriously off-the-wall territory</quote> He said in a topic where he argues that Nazis weren't right-wing.</quote> Are you gonna answer my questions or not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 09/15/18 10:47:18 PM #309:	There's answering a question and there's having to educate a person who's terribly uninformed. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:908833703] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>There's answering a question and there's having to educate a person who's terribly uninformed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 09/15/18 11:13:25 PM #310:	Mal_Fet posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Who is "we?" I ask because you claim to see them happen "just as much" with the left, as do other fake libertarians who are actually alt-righters, as well as self-identifying alt-righters, but people who at least dabble in common sense do not. You you don't believe that Stalin, Mao, Guevara, etc. fit those definitions? Broseph_Stalin posted... Left-wing means you support egalitarianism No it doesn't. Broseph_Stalin posted... while the right either supports social hierarchy or views it as inevitable. So why do stark social hierarchies always seem to arise in these left-wing dictatorships? Broseph_Stalin posted... Right vs left deals only with your views on society, it's not an umbrella term for entire political ideologies like some people mistakingly use it as. Individualism vs authoritarianism is an entirely different spectrum which is why authoritarian regimes can be either right-wing (Nazi Germany) or left-wing (USSR). Ok but if you're gonna say that these qualities (nationalism, traditionalism, bigorty, etc) exist in the left and right authoritarians because these things are simply a facet of authoritarianism unrelated to the left/right spectrum, what use are they to determine whether an authoritarian is left or right? I I I I I I believe Stalin wasn't trying to make things better for the people as a whole and that therefore doesn't sound socialist to me considering socialism is apparently about the people. Shrug emoji. Sounds like you just want to verbo-violently slap labels around to fit the narrative of your alt-right and fake libertarian "not alt-right" types. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:908834947] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Who is "we?" I ask because you claim to see them happen "just as much" with the left, as do other fake libertarians who are actually alt-righters, as well as self-identifying alt-righters, but people who at least dabble in common sense do not.</quote> You you don't believe that Stalin, Mao, Guevara, etc. fit those definitions? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Left-wing means you support egalitarianism</quote> No it doesn't. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote> while the right either supports social hierarchy or views it as inevitable.</quote> So why do stark social hierarchies always seem to arise in these left-wing dictatorships? <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted...</cite> <quote>Right vs left deals only with your views on society, it's not an umbrella term for entire political ideologies like some people mistakingly use it as. Individualism vs authoritarianism is an entirely different spectrum which is why authoritarian regimes can be either right-wing (Nazi Germany) or left-wing (USSR).</quote> Ok but if you're gonna say that these qualities (nationalism, traditionalism, bigorty, etc) exist in the left and right authoritarians because these things are simply a facet of authoritarianism unrelated to the left/right spectrum, what use are they to determine whether an authoritarian is left or right?</quote> I I I I I I believe Stalin wasn't trying to make things better for the people as a whole and that therefore doesn't sound socialist to me considering socialism is apparently about the people. Shrug emoji. Sounds like you just want to verbo-violently slap labels around to fit the narrative of your alt-right and fake libertarian "not alt-right" types.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 09/16/18 12:56:03 AM #311:	Hey Mal, what is your secret? If you let FIFA in on your goal post moving mastery, we could have mobile arenas in any town at any moment! <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:908839779] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>Hey Mal, what is your secret? If you let FIFA in on your goal post moving mastery, we could have mobile arenas in any town at any moment!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/17/18 5:47:09 PM #312:	"I hate Nazis" "I hate Nazis too!" "I hate Stalin!" "I hate Stalin too!" "I hate inequality in law/rights!" "I hate inequality in law/rights too!" Why the fuck have you been arguing for 300 posts? You're literally just agreeing with each other and then arguing what semantics are best to name your identical views. It's silly. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:908942335] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote>"I hate Nazis" "I hate Nazis too!" "I hate Stalin!" "I hate Stalin too!" "I hate inequality in law/rights!" "I hate inequality in law/rights too!" Why the fuck have you been arguing for 300 posts? You're literally just agreeing with each other and then arguing what semantics are best to name your identical views. It's silly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/17/18 6:16:35 PM #313:	UnfairRepresent posted... "I hate Nazis" "I hate Nazis too!" "I hate Stalin!" "I hate Stalin too!" "I hate inequality in law/rights!" "I hate inequality in law/rights too!" Why the fuck have you been arguing for 300 posts? You're literally just agreeing with each other and then arguing what semantics are best to name your identical views. It's silly. You honestly don't see a difference between what Mal is arguing and what the rest are arguing back? (Nazis shared more in common w/ left leaning ideologies vs Nazis shared more in common w/ right leaning ideologies) <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:908944037] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>"I hate Nazis" "I hate Nazis too!" "I hate Stalin!" "I hate Stalin too!" "I hate inequality in law/rights!" "I hate inequality in law/rights too!" Why the fuck have you been arguing for 300 posts? You're literally just agreeing with each other and then arguing what semantics are best to name your identical views. It's silly.</quote> You honestly don't see a difference between what Mal is arguing and what the rest are arguing back? (Nazis shared more in common w/ left leaning ideologies vs Nazis shared more in common w/ right leaning ideologies)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/17/18 6:19:34 PM #314:	Ruvan22 posted... You honestly don't see a difference between what Mal is arguing and what the rest are arguing back? (Nazis shared more in common w/ left leaning ideologies vs Nazis shared more in common w/ right leaning ideologies) Yes I see that Mal is saying the shitty stuff you all hate is leftism and you saying the shitty stuff you all hate is conservatism. To me that's just semantics. What are you actually disagreeing about other than the wording used to name the shit you both hate? You guys have been arguing for 300 posts and yet I don't see anything other than that --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:908944196] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote> You honestly don't see a difference between what Mal is arguing and what the rest are arguing back? (Nazis shared more in common w/ left leaning ideologies vs Nazis shared more in common w/ right leaning ideologies)</quote> Yes I see that Mal is saying the shitty stuff you all hate is leftism and you saying the shitty stuff you all hate is conservatism. To me that's just semantics. What are you actually disagreeing about other than the wording used to name the shit you both hate? You guys have been arguing for 300 posts and yet I don't see anything other than that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 09/17/18 6:48:18 PM #315:	UnfairRepresent posted... Ruvan22 posted... You honestly don't see a difference between what Mal is arguing and what the rest are arguing back? (Nazis shared more in common w/ left leaning ideologies vs Nazis shared more in common w/ right leaning ideologies) Yes I see that Mal is saying the shitty stuff you all hate is leftism and you saying the shitty stuff you all hate is conservatism. To me that's just semantics. What are you actually disagreeing about other than the wording used to name the shit you both hate? You guys have been arguing for 300 posts and yet I don't see anything other than that Two points: A) I didn't say anything previously in this thread, so please read more carefully before throwing around "You" accusations B) In other threads (and to some extent in this), the argument that follows/is stated next is "Thus, since Nazis were more left/right, it makes the current left/right irresponsible/ignorable/etc" <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:908945963] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote> You honestly don't see a difference between what Mal is arguing and what the rest are arguing back? (Nazis shared more in common w/ left leaning ideologies vs Nazis shared more in common w/ right leaning ideologies)</quote> Yes I see that Mal is saying the shitty stuff you all hate is leftism and you saying the shitty stuff you all hate is conservatism. To me that's just semantics. What are you actually disagreeing about other than the wording used to name the shit you both hate? You guys have been arguing for 300 posts and yet I don't see anything other than that</quote> Two points: A) I didn't say anything previously in this thread, so please read more carefully before throwing around "You" accusations B) In other threads (and to some extent in this), the argument that follows/is stated next is "Thus, since Nazis were more left/right, it makes the current left/right irresponsible/ignorable/etc"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hawaiian_punch 09/17/18 8:32:29 PM #316:	Ruvan22 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... "I hate Nazis" "I hate Nazis too!" "I hate Stalin!" "I hate Stalin too!" "I hate inequality in law/rights!" "I hate inequality in law/rights too!" Why the fuck have you been arguing for 300 posts? You're literally just agreeing with each other and then arguing what semantics are best to name your identical views. It's silly. You honestly don't see a difference between what Mal is arguing and what the rest are arguing back? (Nazis shared more in common w/ left leaning ideologies vs Nazis shared more in common w/ right leaning ideologies) Why does even matter? MAGA people denounce Nazis when it comes to fashion choices: dont use a specific name, dont wear specific symbols, dont compliment specific historical figures. But other than that they actually embrace he underlying ideological components (white country, cleanse out the darker skinned people, eugenics, etc etc). <cite>Hawaiian_punch posted [p:908952219] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ruvan22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>"I hate Nazis" "I hate Nazis too!" "I hate Stalin!" "I hate Stalin too!" "I hate inequality in law/rights!" "I hate inequality in law/rights too!" Why the fuck have you been arguing for 300 posts? You're literally just agreeing with each other and then arguing what semantics are best to name your identical views. It's silly.</quote> You honestly don't see a difference between what Mal is arguing and what the rest are arguing back? (Nazis shared more in common w/ left leaning ideologies vs Nazis shared more in common w/ right leaning ideologies)</quote> Why does even matter? MAGA people denounce Nazis when it comes to fashion choices: dont use a specific name, dont wear specific symbols, dont compliment specific historical figures. But other than that they actually embrace he underlying ideological components (white country, cleanse out the darker skinned people, eugenics, etc etc).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 09/17/18 8:36:49 PM #317:	Hawaiian_punch posted... Why does even matter? MAGA people denounce Nazis when it comes to fashion choices: dont use a specific name, dont wear specific symbols, dont compliment specific historical figures. But other than that they actually embrace he underlying ideological components (white country, cleanse out the darker skinned people, eugenics, etc etc). But you and Mal, the guy you are arguing with, are both demonizing those views. you just refer to then as a different name so what's the issue 3xactky? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:908952501] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hawaiian_punch posted...</cite> <quote>Why does even matter? MAGA people denounce Nazis when it comes to fashion choices: dont use a specific name, dont wear specific symbols, dont compliment specific historical figures. But other than that they actually embrace he underlying ideological components (white country, cleanse out the darker skinned people, eugenics, etc etc).</quote> But you and Mal, the guy you are arguing with, are both demonizing those views. you just refer to then as a different name so what's the issue 3xactky?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hawaiian_punch 09/17/18 8:44:11 PM #318:	UnfairRepresent posted... Hawaiian_punch posted... Why does even matter? MAGA people denounce Nazis when it comes to fashion choices: dont use a specific name, dont wear specific symbols, dont compliment specific historical figures. But other than that they actually embrace he underlying ideological components (white country, cleanse out the darker skinned people, eugenics, etc etc). But you and Mal, the guy you are arguing with, are both demonizing those views. you just refer to then as a different name so what's the issue 3xactky? Mal is not <cite>Hawaiian_punch posted [p:908952964] in Congressma... [t:76994702]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hawaiian_punch posted...</cite> <quote>Why does even matter? MAGA people denounce Nazis when it comes to fashion choices: dont use a specific name, dont wear specific symbols, dont compliment specific historical figures. But other than that they actually embrace he underlying ideological components (white country, cleanse out the darker skinned people, eugenics, etc etc).</quote> But you and Mal, the guy you are arguing with, are both demonizing those views. you just refer to then as a different name so what's the issue 3xactky?</quote> Mal is not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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