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AlephZero
07/19/18 12:20:14 PM
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"Abolish ICE" seems to be a growing rallying cry among progressives, but I haven't seen anyone talk about what happens after that. Is their plan to abolish ICE and not replace it with anything or delegate their responsibilities to a different agency? "Abolish ICE" makes for a catchy slogan to put on posters but it's a little light on details. I could get behind "abolish ICE and roll up their important responsibilities to the FBI" or something similar but that doesn't fit on a t-shirt. Like a number of federal agencies ICE is a terribly run organization that occasionally accomplishes something important.

Admittedly I haven't spent much time looking for these details so they could be out there. Are there lawmakers calling for ICE to be dissolved that have proposed a detailed plan on how to accomplish it?
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/19/18 12:20:39 PM
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BLAKUboy
07/19/18 12:21:17 PM
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The plan, as I've heard it, is to indeed shift their responsibilities to other agencies.
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Omnislasher
07/19/18 12:22:25 PM
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uh abolish ICE and the FBI and re-establish the INS

not rocket science
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Master_Bass
07/19/18 12:22:29 PM
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I imagine to the way things were before 2003.
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AlephZero
07/19/18 12:28:11 PM
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...
Replace it
with something better
presumably

BLAKUboy posted...
The plan, as I've heard it, is to indeed shift their responsibilities to other agencies.

Master_Bass posted...
I imagine to the way things were before 2003.

I'm wondering if one of the lawmakers proposing abolishing ICE has a concrete plan or legislation. Not "presumably," "as I've heard it," or "I imagine." Something concrete.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
07/19/18 12:32:57 PM
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DuranOfForcena posted...
yeah, like with Obamacare, right?

this is exactly what a strawman looks like CE
i want you to take a look
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Balrog0
07/19/18 12:34:27 PM
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AlephZero posted...
I'm wondering if one of the lawmakers proposing abolishing ICE has a concrete plan or legislation. Not "presumably," "as I've heard it," or "I imagine." Something concrete.


Almost every interview I;ve seen where AOC has talked about it she talks about replacing it with an agency like INS under the auspices of the DOJ rather than DHS
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Payzmaykr
07/19/18 12:35:50 PM
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They believe that trump will just throw his hands up and say, okay, you win. No more borders!

Then he will step down and somehow Hillary and Bernie will be placed in power.

Thats what they think.
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Phantom_Nook
07/19/18 12:39:48 PM
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No more borders

I keep saying reps saying that this is what dems want, but I've literally seen no dem in power say they want open borders.
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AlephZero
07/19/18 12:40:55 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
AlephZero posted...
I'm wondering if one of the lawmakers proposing abolishing ICE has a concrete plan or legislation. Not "presumably," "as I've heard it," or "I imagine." Something concrete.


Almost every interview I;ve seen where AOC has talked about it she talks about replacing it with an agency like INS under the auspices of the DOJ rather than DHS

Thank you, this is what I was looking for.
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BLAKUboy
07/19/18 12:41:20 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
No more borders

I keep saying reps saying that this is what dems want, but I've literally seen no dem in power say they want open borders.

Mostly because ICE has nothing to do with the border.
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HypnoCoosh
07/19/18 12:42:53 PM
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Open borders
Free healthcare
Free education
Free housing
Free food
Free drugs
Free phones
More taxes
Shit and needles on the streets and circus parades.
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eston
07/19/18 12:43:48 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
They believe that trump will just throw his hands up and say, okay, you win. No more borders!

Then he will step down and somehow Hillary and Bernie will be placed in power.

Thats what they think.

No one thinks this
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KhanJohnny
07/19/18 12:47:42 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
No more borders

I keep saying reps saying that this is what dems want, but I've literally seen no dem in power say they want open borders.

That's because hysteria is so high that Democrats are afraid of being clear on what limits they want to enforce on immigration, lest they be compared to Trump, or even worse, called racists.

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AlephZero
07/19/18 12:55:49 PM
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who posted
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Paper_Okami
07/19/18 12:59:15 PM
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ice should be abolished and not replaced
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ledbowman
07/19/18 1:00:00 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
No more borders

I keep saying reps saying that this is what dems want, but I've literally seen no dem in power say they want open borders.

It's all they have.
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creativerealms
07/19/18 1:01:05 PM
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Abolishing ICE is not the right move. It serves a purpose beyond going after illegals. If seems the people on the left who want to abolish it don't understand that.
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Paper_Okami
07/19/18 1:03:34 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Abolishing ICE is not the right move. It serves a purpose beyond going after illegals. If seems the people on the left who want to abolish it don't understand that.


we know what its purpose is, we simply don't agree with it
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Questionmarktarius
07/19/18 1:03:40 PM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Open borders
Free healthcare
Free education
Free housing
Free food
Free drugs
Free phones
More taxes
Shit and needles on the streets and circus parades.


See also:
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Paper_Okami
07/19/18 1:05:06 PM
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imagine quoting a joke person like Margaret thatcher

there is a reason few brits respect her
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Capn Circus
07/19/18 1:05:16 PM
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HypnoCoosh posted...
s*** and needles on the streets


They've already got that in progressive San Francisco.

Got so bad a major convention that brings millions to the city each year just pulled out due to safety concerns/cleanliness and is looking for a new city (theyve been going to SF for years)
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HypnoCoosh
07/19/18 1:05:51 PM
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Capn Circus posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
s*** and needles on the streets


They've already got that in progressive San Francisco.

Got so bad a major convention that brings millions to the city each year just pulled out due to safety concerns/cleanliness and is looking for a new city (theyve been going to SF for years)


Yeah I seen the videos. Fucking disgusting.
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creativerealms
07/19/18 1:06:29 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
creativerealms posted...
Abolishing ICE is not the right move. It serves a purpose beyond going after illegals. If seems the people on the left who want to abolish it don't understand that.


we know what its purpose is, we simply don't agree with it

You don't agree with an agency that deals with human tracking (including little kids for pedophiles) and drug trafficking between country boarders? That is what ICE should be focusing.

To each their own.
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Paper_Okami
07/19/18 1:07:24 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
creativerealms posted...
Abolishing ICE is not the right move. It serves a purpose beyond going after illegals. If seems the people on the left who want to abolish it don't understand that.


we know what its purpose is, we simply don't agree with it

You don't agree with an agency that deals with human tracking (including little kids for pedophiles) and drug trafficking between country boarders? That is what ICE should be focusing.

To each their own.


That is very little of what it does lmao

imagine believing the trump administration's lies
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creativerealms
07/19/18 1:08:20 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
creativerealms posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
creativerealms posted...
Abolishing ICE is not the right move. It serves a purpose beyond going after illegals. If seems the people on the left who want to abolish it don't understand that.


we know what its purpose is, we simply don't agree with it

You don't agree with an agency that deals with human tracking (including little kids for pedophiles) and drug trafficking between country boarders? That is what ICE should be focusing.

To each their own.


That is very little of what it does lmao

Yeah which needs to change.
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KhanJohnny
07/19/18 3:42:10 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
No more borders

I keep saying reps saying that this is what dems want, but I've literally seen no dem in power say they want open borders.

That's because hysteria is so high that Democrats are afraid of being clear on what limits they want to enforce on immigration, lest they be compared to Trump, or even worse, called racists.


Its weird how you guys justify your own lies by blaming Democrats

What are my lies?

I'm neither a Republican nor Trump supporter if that's what you're implying.
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Tappor
07/19/18 3:53:28 PM
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hopefully after "abolish ICE" comes "abolish CE"
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KhanJohnny
07/19/18 3:54:17 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
shockthemonkey posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
Phantom_Nook posted...
No more borders

I keep saying reps saying that this is what dems want, but I've literally seen no dem in power say they want open borders.

That's because hysteria is so high that Democrats are afraid of being clear on what limits they want to enforce on immigration, lest they be compared to Trump, or even worse, called racists.


Its weird how you guys justify your own lies by blaming Democrats

What are my lies?

I'm neither a Republican nor Trump supporter if that's what you're implying.

More lies

I voted for Obama and Hillary lmao
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MedzXVIII
07/19/18 3:59:33 PM
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BLAKUboy
07/19/18 4:00:21 PM
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GOATTHlEF posted...
I think they should focus on drugs and child trafficking like they used to instead of the current shitshow wailmer.

I don't think we need ICE for either of those things.
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UnfairRepresent
07/19/18 4:01:25 PM
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Replace it

With FIRE
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MedzXVIII
07/19/18 4:02:36 PM
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Replace it with a wall
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