Poll of the Day > Which of these Star Wars characters is the worst?

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Nade Duck posted...

they were both shit characters, TLJ would honestly be just as skippable as TPM if it weren't for luke. i really do feel bad for mark hamill and the girl that played rose. they got screwed and didn't deserve any of it.

Mark got screwed, but that was a huge payday for Kelly Tran who had almost given up on acting. No matter how much people shit on her, she's going to be set for a while and will likely be able to build the rest of her career on this. Even if she doesn't, she has a big payday to show for it. She came out waaaaaaay ahead.

Blighboy posted...

I probably hate Holdo more than any other character or thing in Star Wars.

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I should have picked Holdo; but I thought that was the imperial guy. I screwed up. But yea... Holdo easily. Politics aside she's an incapable buffoon. She should have just been upfront with Poe and told him what was going on. If they had Poe's entire plot would have been avoided; not that it wasn't stupid anyways.

Yes, Holdo, you have the imperials actively shooting at you, striking your shields constantly, and even lost two ships. You could have all three ships go in opposite directions to try and make the imps have to lose track of at least one. You could have evacuated the two other ships ASAP then had the empty frigates hyper-ram the imperial fleet (which is bonkers stupid but not the point here). But what's your plan? To run to a dilapidated base with the imperials LITERALLY SHOOTING AT YOU THE WHOLE WAY before sacrificing your capitol ship and frigates in the HOPE that the imperials don't notice the MULTIPLE transports heading down to the planet despite being in blatant visual range, use your ship as a shield despite how the imps can launch fighters or just bypass your ship (they have multiples after all), then HOPE the imperials don't engage in a spaceborn bombardment or launch a ground assault since your BEST ground ships are ships that are not only stripped bare but can't even hover properly without the aid of a ski and THEN that the imperials don't have technology like AT-AT's that they're willing to deploy.

The sheer volume of stupid makes it seem more like she was an imperial plant than an actual capable and thinking captain.

Also, getting mad at Poe was INSANELY stupid! Like, the guy lost BOMBERS taking out a star destroyer (which is also stupid but not important right now). Those bombers weren't gonna be worth jack in fighter combat (unlike Y-wings which makes me baffled as to why they switched) and taking out a capitol ship is literally their intended purpose. Yes, they suffered losses, but either you were going to jump away and could replenish your numbers at the nearest republic outpost or you were going to, say, get followed and be forced into tense and tight fighter combat with imperial ships pounding at you from long distance. You know... A situation where sacrificing a few bombers and fighters to take out a capitol ship is the BEST outcome you can hope for!

Oh. And let's not forget that, in order for this to happen, they had to put Leia in a coma and KILL fan-favorite Akbar! All for this incapable purple-haired, director's pet to get control in the first place.

The most Jar Jar did was be annoying. He didn't do anything that actively sabotaged the good guys till the third movie.
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Rose for sexually assaulting Finn.

Unbridled9 posted...

I should have picked Holdo; but I thought that was the imperial guy. I screwed up. But yea... Holdo easily. Politics aside she's an incapable buffoon. She should have just been upfront with Poe and told him what was going on. If they had Poe's entire plot would have been avoided; not that it wasn't stupid anyways.

There wasn't much reason to be upfront with Poe. Plus even after Poe heard the plan, he still continued with his shit -- and the fact that the plan was told was how the hacker had the info to sell to the FO, thus costing them a large portion of their personnel.

As for the "imperial guy," General Hux is probably my favorite character from the new trilogy (also like Poe after TLJ). That guy is hilariously awesome. I love when he fucking walks into the room, sees Snoke dead and Kylo on the ground, then starts to pull out his blaster until Kylo wakes up

Unbridled9 posted...

Yes, Holdo, you have the imperials actively shooting at you, striking your shields constantly, and even lost two ships. You could have all three ships go in opposite directions to try and make the imps have to lose track of at least one. You could have evacuated the two other ships ASAP then had the empty frigates hyper-ram the imperial fleet (which is bonkers stupid but not the point here). But what's your plan? To run to a dilapidated base with the imperials LITERALLY SHOOTING AT YOU THE WHOLE WAY before sacrificing your capitol ship and frigates in the HOPE that the imperials don't notice the MULTIPLE transports heading down to the planet despite being in blatant visual range, use your ship as a shield despite how the imps can launch fighters or just bypass your ship (they have multiples after all), then HOPE the imperials don't engage in a spaceborn bombardment or launch a ground assault since your BEST ground ships are ships that are not only stripped bare but can't even hover properly without the aid of a ski and THEN that the imperials don't have technology like AT-AT's that they're willing to deploy.

Given that they weren't sure how the tracking was actually working, it might not have seemed a viable strategy. Plus there were enough ships to chase all of them.

Unbridled9 posted...

Also, getting mad at Poe was INSANELY stupid! Like, the guy lost BOMBERS taking out a star destroyer (which is also stupid but not important right now). Those bombers weren't gonna be worth jack in fighter combat (unlike Y-wings which makes me baffled as to why they switched) and taking out a capitol ship is literally their intended purpose. Yes, they suffered losses, but either you were going to jump away and could replenish your numbers at the nearest republic outpost or you were going to, say, get followed and be forced into tense and tight fighter combat with imperial ships pounding at you from long distance. You know... A situation where sacrificing a few bombers and fighters to take out a capitol ship is the BEST outcome you can hope for!

Their complaint was solid. Poe repeatedly disobeyed Leia's orders and, while they took out an impressive ship, it *was* a costly victory.

Unbridled9 posted...

Oh. And let's not forget that, in order for this to happen, they had to put Leia in a coma and KILL fan-favorite Akbar! All for this incapable purple-haired, director's pet to get control in the first place.

Because Poe wouldn't have mutinied against either, even if they -- almost certainly -- stuck with the same plan. Leia *was* onboard with Holdo's plan.
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

ifnsman posted...

I'm honestly still a believer in the Darth Jar Jar theory.

Oh it's 100% true, dum dum Lucas chickened out after the fan backlash. So the fans really are to blame for that one.

Don't give that washed up old man credit for something he never intended.

Lucas isn't a hidden genius, he's a guy that got lucky.

The OT was a group effort by a bunch of people with passion for the project.

Only one trilogy was the result of one persons vision, and that was the PT.
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ifnsman posted...

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

ifnsman posted...

I'm honestly still a believer in the Darth Jar Jar theory.

Oh it's 100% true, dum dum Lucas chickened out after the fan backlash. So the fans really are to blame for that one.

Thank you. I want to believe!

It's Darth Darth Binks, get it right!
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EliteGuard99 posted...

Only one trilogy was the result of one persons vision, and that was the PT.

Which is why the true intention for Jar Jar was canned.
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

Oh it's 100% true, dum dum Lucas chickened out after the fan backlash. So the fans really are to blame for that one.

Lol. Nobody actually believes in this.
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Child Anakin was fine. Both the dialog and his actor did no favors to the character for the last two prequels.

"It's not fair!!!!!" -Anakin

Voxwik posted...

Child Anakin was fine. Both the dialog and his actor did no favors to the character for the last two prequels.

I was going to same the same. Anakin as a child wasn't bad. It wasn't until Hayden Christensen's time as the character that everything went wrong.

There wasn't much reason to be upfront with Poe.

Poe's your top pilot and, IIRC, the leader of your fighter squads or at least ONE of them. Why the hell WOULDN'T she have told him especially when she may have needed him to pilot a transport or fighter screen. Heck, the moment it was clear he was getting antsy and nervious she should have. It's not like Poe, the guy who just helped blow up a Star Destroyer, is going to rat her out to the imperials. Basically, even if there was a reason to not tell Poe right away he should have been among the first to know.

Unless... Ya know... You were making an intentionally stupid decision to keep your top pilot in the dark so that cheap suspense and drama could be elicitied from a viewing audience.

Given that they weren't sure how the tracking was actually working, it might not have seemed a viable strategy. Plus there were enough ships to chase all of them.

Less viable than trying to hide in a run-down base with a massive fleet actively shooting at you?

Their complaint was solid. Poe repeatedly disobeyed Leia's orders and, while they took out an impressive ship, it *was* a costly victory.

Not really. It was, what, three/four bombers and five to six fighters in trade for a capitol ship? I don't remember the screen exactly but, even assuming it was an ENTIRE wing, that's still LESS than 20 fighters in trade for a capitol ship. Imagine IRL losing 12 fighter jets but, in turn, getting to sink an enemy aircraft carrier. Besides, what were they going to do instead? The most they could have possibly done is have the fighters serve as a screen for the retreating transports and the damage they did to the enemy fleet in that one attack outweighs any contribution they could have made in either the following battle or the retreat due to removing a star destroyer and all associated tie fighters, turrets, and soldiers. Plus, like I said, those bombers would have been crap in a battle since they've got one long and massive section that's basically just targeting fodder even if you removed all the bombs. Not to mention it takes two crew-members as opposed to the Y-wing's 1. I still can't get over that stupid design choice. The Falcon takes a max of 3 people to man and it's an entire light freighter. Yet those bombers take 2 people just to drop space bombs (also stupid) and not be totally exposed?

Because Poe wouldn't have mutinied against either, even if they -- almost certainly -- stuck with the same plan. Leia *was* onboard with Holdo's plan.

Gee. It's almost like it's a cheap narrative device designed to create artificial tension and conflict that could have been resolved easily but was used instead to make a plotline that shouldn't have existed in the first place.
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Wanna know what would have worked MUCH better? After the jump the imperials follow and the Rebels discover that there was a tracking device installed upon their ships. Multiple ones upon all three. They have no idea who the traitor is so Leia puts her plan on a need-to-know basis. Poe gets upset because they don't tell him and, instead, put heavy suspicion on Finn and several of his pilots. Finn, eager to clear his name, starts trying to investigate on his own only to meet Rose, a technician who just lost her sister in the battle. Rose seems to be on his side and believes he's being unfairly targeted because he was in a coma. She claims she's helping him out as she searches the ship.

Rose discovers that there have been multiple imperial spies whom have slipped aboard. Meanwhile one of them, a former female stormtrooper companion, approaches Finn and tries to convert him back to the imperial side, pulling on old friendship and romantic ties. Meanwhile Poe believes he's found all the spies and is certain no one in his squad or Finn are guilty and, when Leia and Akbar claim they suspect otherwise, he gets furious and stages his little insurrection. He demands that they jump to hyperspace thinking the ships are clean. They do so only for the imperials to follow and, before they can get shields back up, they blast the two other ships.

It turns out Rose is the final spy. She had planted a new tracker because she was furious at Poe, believing he had let her sister die, and the Rebels in general for allowing such decadence as that casino planet to prosper. Upon discovering the spies she had joined them in the hopes of ending what she saw as one of two corrupt organizations and believing that the imperials couldn't be as bad as they were 'in the old stories'. The damage is done however and they have to evacuate ship. Akbar chose this warp point, however, because there was an abandoned rebel base. He had intended to use it only until repairs and refueling could be completed but it looks like they need to make a stand here as well.

Rose is imprisoned until she can be properly put on trial but, while in her cell, is revisited by the memories of her sister. She realizes that she's lived her life in a constant state of rage and never moved on past the abuse in her childhood, unlike her sister. Her cell is damaged during the walker assault and she slips out, finding one of those damaged mono-ski thingies and repairing it enough to get it running. She then shoots out onto the battlefield to try and stop that laser ram. However Finn is shot down in his own run. Rose realizes that even her decision to ram the imperial ram is fueled by rage and finally starts to grow past her past and rescues Finn instead.

Not going to claim it's 'better' because it's literally made up on the fly; but no stupid Holdo, no dumb codebreaker thingy, things are kept neat and tight, reasons for their decisions beyond 'the plot demands it', and Rose comes off as an actual person instead of a diversity hire.
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Unbridled9 posted...

Wanna know what would have worked MUCH better? After the jump the imperials follow and the Rebels discover that there was a tracking device installed upon their ships. Multiple ones upon all three. They have no idea who the traitor is so Leia puts her plan on a need-to-know basis. Poe gets upset because they don't tell him and, instead, put heavy suspicion on Finn and several of his pilots. Finn, eager to clear his name, starts trying to investigate on his own only to meet Rose, a technician who just lost her sister in the battle. Rose seems to be on his side and believes he's being unfairly targeted because he was in a coma. She claims she's helping him out as she searches the ship.

Rose discovers that there have been multiple imperial spies whom have slipped aboard. Meanwhile one of them, a former female stormtrooper companion, approaches Finn and tries to convert him back to the imperial side, pulling on old friendship and romantic ties. Meanwhile Poe believes he's found all the spies and is certain no one in his squad or Finn are guilty and, when Leia and Akbar claim they suspect otherwise, he gets furious and stages his little insurrection. He demands that they jump to hyperspace thinking the ships are clean. They do so only for the imperials to follow and, before they can get shields back up, they blast the two other ships.

It turns out Rose is the final spy. She had planted a new tracker because she was furious at Poe, believing he had let her sister die, and the Rebels in general for allowing such decadence as that casino planet to prosper. Upon discovering the spies she had joined them in the hopes of ending what she saw as one of two corrupt organizations and believing that the imperials couldn't be as bad as they were 'in the old stories'. The damage is done however and they have to evacuate ship. Akbar chose this warp point, however, because there was an abandoned rebel base. He had intended to use it only until repairs and refueling could be completed but it looks like they need to make a stand here as well.

Rose is imprisoned until she can be properly put on trial but, while in her cell, is revisited by the memories of her sister. She realizes that she's lived her life in a constant state of rage and never moved on past the abuse in her childhood, unlike her sister. Her cell is damaged during the walker assault and she slips out, finding one of those damaged mono-ski thingies and repairing it enough to get it running. She then shoots out onto the battlefield to try and stop that laser ram. However Finn is shot down in his own run. Rose realizes that even her decision to ram the imperial ram is fueled by rage and finally starts to grow past her past and rescues Finn instead.

Not going to claim it's 'better' because it's literally made up on the fly; but no stupid Holdo, no dumb codebreaker thingy, things are kept neat and tight, reasons for their decisions beyond 'the plot demands it', and Rose comes off as an actual person instead of a diversity hire.

That would be better, but they could have skipped Rose and Finns part completely and shorten the ship down to like the first 3rd of the movie and it should have helpeda lot
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That would be better, but they could have skipped Rose and Finns part completely and shorten the ship down to like the first 3rd of the movie and it should have helpeda lot

A lot of things would have helped a lot. The whole movie felt like a giant middle finger to the franchise and good writing in general. The political stuff just rubbed salt in the wound and I wanna avoid that since it will devolve it down to just shrieking about SJW's. But about the only GOOD thing in it was the visuals... when it was trying. Just... What were they thinking? Even the obvious pay-offs (like Rei being Obi-wans descendant) would have been better than what we got instead.
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EliteGuard99 posted...

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

ifnsman posted...

I'm honestly still a believer in the Darth Jar Jar theory.

Oh it's 100% true, dum dum Lucas chickened out after the fan backlash. So the fans really are to blame for that one.

Don't give that washed up old man credit for something he never intended.

Lucas isn't a hidden genius, he's a guy that got lucky.

The OT was a group effort by a bunch of people with passion for the project.

Only one trilogy was the result of one persons vision, and that was the PT.

The OT is what happens when one person writes an incredibly shitty script, and then much better writer/directors help him cut out the worst parts while accentuating the best parts, and then better directors and editors clean up the mess after he's done filming it.

The PT is what happens when there's no one left to tell that one person no, and he starts putting back in all the terrible ideas that got cut out of the movies the first time around.

Lucas' suggestions for what he'd have done in a hypothetical sequel trilogy are literally just him putting in even more of the terrible ideas he cut out of the original movies, and then doubling down on midichlorians, because fuck the audience. For everyone who says they hate the Disney sequels, you would have hated Lucas sequels far, far worse.

Lucas isn't a genius, he's an asshole who got told that he was a genius so many times he started to believe it himself.

And Darth Jar-Jar, while amusing, was literally never true, was never going to be true, and was never even remotely an idea in Lucas' head. He was just a silly space rabbit that Lucas wanted to use to sell tons of toys to children, because that has been the only thing he's actually cared about in regards to Star Wars since 1978.


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What is it about Star Wars that makes some people act like giant babies about every little thing?

This isnt new either people were losing their minds about Ewoks decades ago. Take a chill pill.
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Mead posted...

What is it about Star Wars that makes some people act like giant babies about every little thing?

This isnt new either people were losing their minds about Ewoks decades ago. Take a chill pill.

Star wars is a huge franchise with a large amount of followers. There will always be people who object and will be vocal about it. However, here's the thing.

Ewok's were an annoying little addition. A lot of people felt that they were included just to sell toys, market to kids, and that their beating the empire was completely stupid (it's not but that's besides the point). People hated the ewoks as a result but they were tolerable. Likewise, Jar Jar was annoying and clearly existed to pander to kids and sell toys but, ultimately, he was just one character.

Meanwhile, the Disney sequels took an expanded universe, one which a lot of fans liked chock full of characters that they loved like Mara Jade, that many of them had grown up with, and proceeded to tank it. That could have been understandable and redeemable assuming that they did so because they wanted to introduce said characters in the movies without having to worry about prior canon. Instead we got characters that were... suspect at best. Plenty of fans were willing to give them a shot since VII was passable and so-forth.

Then this movie came along. We got two characters no one liked and felt hamfisted and like a backhanded slap, a lot of potential build-up simply ruined, and even older characters insulted.

Like, let's take an obvious one in Snoke. Who was he? We don't know. We'll never know because they killed him off without explaining anything. It's not the same as with Palpatine since his presence in the movie made everything clear. He was the leader of the empire, the lord of the Sith, evil and corrupt through and through whom controlled Vader like a puppet. Snoke? He's... we don't know. We really don't. And now he's dead. They could have gone with the Darth Jar Jar. They could have made him be some ancient Sith disgusted at how Palpatine turned out. He could have even been an ancient JEDI whom had either had his beliefs twisted or whom was following ancient jedi codes and ways that had long since been written out and removed. There was potential.

And now? He's just a stupid one-off villain who got killed before we found out anything about him.
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Yeah the Snoke thing is really dumb
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We could easily still learn more about Snoke in the next movie. We still don't know anything about the Knights of Ren or anything that happened right after Kylo left Luke. They could have a scene that flashes to that, shows him meeting Snoke, and slip in a few lines of dialog regarding where he came from and how he got so powerful.
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Vice Admiral Gender Studies
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Mofuji posted...

Vice Admiral Gender Studies

Just to be clear. The original trilogy features a fish in a command position. But that's ok because it's a dude fish.
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This is how I break it down. Holdo sucked but had the decency to die without much screen time. Aniken was terrible but the role destroyed the life of the kid who played him and he basically became a tweker. Jar Jar on the other hand got way to much screen time and didn't have the decency to die. The fact that he was a cartoon version of Jerry Lewis doesn't help. Plus I cringe whenever I hear Lucas talk about how important Jar Jar was to the story.

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On a completely different subject about Poe. Am I the only one who noticed that had he not disobeyed orders and destroyed the dreadnought then all the rebels would of died. I mean the reason why the imperial fleet couldn't destroy the rebel fleet was because they were to far out of range for their weapons to penetrate the shields. However if they had that dreadnought with its super cannons they would of blown them apart. So Poes actions while going against orders ultimately saved the day but no one acknowledges it.
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kangolcone posted...

Mofuji posted...

Vice Admiral Gender Studies

Just to be clear. The original trilogy features a fish in a command position. But that's ok because it's a dude fish.

It's okay because it's freaking AKBAR! The guy is basically a legend in the original EU, everyone loves his quote (stupid as it is), and he wasn't a spotlight hog in the movie by any means. Heck, he had, like, three scenes or something where he was even present. As opposed to Holdo's... everything.
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Unbridled9 posted...

Meanwhile, the Disney sequels took an expanded universe, one which a lot of fans liked chock full of characters that they loved like Mara Jade, that many of them had grown up with, and proceeded to tank it.

The problem there is that 98% of the EU was hot liquid shit, and pretty much needed to be burned down to the fucking ground if Disney ever wanted to salvage anything out of the franchise. And considering they did things like making Thrawn canon in the new continuity, and they were seemingly painting Kylo as an alternative version of Jacen, it seemed like the few worthwhile things that WERE part of the EU were being salvaged out anyway.

That being said, the real problem with the new movies seems to be that no one at Disney seems to have had ANY real plan for the films. Unlike the Marvel movies, which are integrated into each other and have overarching plots planned years in advance (and which have a single person in charge guiding the ship and making important decisions), it seems the Star Wars films are pretty much being left to the devices of each individual director to plot out and handle, which in turn makes it a jumbled mess at best and a collection of terrible decisions at worst.

Disney basically needs someone to fill the Lucas role - just preferably someone with better ideas than Lucas had, and who is open to criticism when they push stupid or insane ideas. Instead, we have situations like Rian Johnson saying he was told literally nothing about plot even when he asked, and was just told to make up whatever he felt like as he went.


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I lost interest in the EU when beloved characters started dropping like flies in the name of edginess/drama.

Voxwik posted...

I lost interest in the EU when beloved characters started dropping like flies in the name of edginess/drama.

Was it edginess/drama or was it that they had to die to explain why they don't appear in the main series.
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TigerTycoon posted...

Voxwik posted...

I lost interest in the EU when beloved characters started dropping like flies in the name of edginess/drama.

Was it edginess/drama or was it that they had to die to explain why they don't appear in the main series.

Maybe I'm confusing my terms. I'm talking about the old novels prior to the Disney reboot.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

Meanwhile, the Disney sequels took an expanded universe, one which a lot of fans liked chock full of characters that they loved like Mara Jade, that many of them had grown up with, and proceeded to tank it.

The problem there is that 98% of the EU was hot liquid shit, and pretty much needed to be burned down to the fucking ground if Disney ever wanted to salvage anything out of the franchise. And considering they did things like making Thrawn canon in the new continuity, and they were seemingly painting Kylo as an alternative version of Jacen, it seemed like the few worthwhile things that WERE part of the EU were being salvaged out anyway.

That being said, the real problem with the new movies seems to be that no one at Disney seems to have had ANY real plan for the films. Unlike the Marvel movies, which are integrated into each other and have overarching plots planned years in advance (and which have a single person in charge guiding the ship and making important decisions), it seems the Star Wars films are pretty much being left to the devices of each individual director to plot out and handle, which in turn makes it a jumbled mess at best and a collection of terrible decisions at worst.

Disney basically needs someone to fill the Lucas role - just preferably someone with better ideas than Lucas had, and who is open to criticism when they push stupid or insane ideas. Instead, we have situations like Rian Johnson saying he was told literally nothing about plot even when he asked, and was just told to make up whatever he felt like as he went.

Disney didn't need to 'salvage' anything. The franchise was well loved already. If anything it's gone downhill drastically. But they could have easily done something with the Old Republic (it's founding? The founding of the Jedi?) or something far in the future. The Vong would have worked perfectly for the movies as a villain as well. There was just so much they could have done if they didn't decide to take the stupid pills en-masse.
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Personally I want sequels more than prequels. I yearn for a post-Voyager Star Trek show. Prequels are infinitely better than "throw it all out" reboots though, in my opinion.

I have mixed feelings over the grimdark sequels but they didn't take the easy route that's for sure, even if my suspension of disbelief is stretched to its limits at the notion the destruction of one system could cripple a republic of thousands of star systems.

Voxwik posted...

Personally I want sequels more than prequels. I yearn for a post-Voyager Star Trek show. Prequels are infinitely better than "throw it all out" reboots though, in my opinion.

I have mixed feelings over the grimdark sequels but they didn't take the easy route that's for sure, even if my suspension of disbelief is stretched to its limits at the notion the destruction of one system could cripple a republic of thousands of star systems.

The Disney Star Wars films don't make sense and don't care to.

Was every single clone trooper on Coruscant when they blew it up? Was the clone manufacturing planet also blown up?

They're just forcing "Rebels" and "Empire again and don't care if it makes sense. They even have Leia still leading the "Rebel Forces" when that doesn't make any sense since they won the war and they are the Republic Army now. They even killed off Snoke to clarify that they don't plan to explain where the First Order came from.

Do not misunderstand, I'm not saying the prequels were ultra coherent either.
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Unbridled9 posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Unbridled9 posted...

Meanwhile, the Disney sequels took an expanded universe, one which a lot of fans liked chock full of characters that they loved like Mara Jade, that many of them had grown up with, and proceeded to tank it.

The problem there is that 98% of the EU was hot liquid shit, and pretty much needed to be burned down to the fucking ground if Disney ever wanted to salvage anything out of the franchise. And considering they did things like making Thrawn canon in the new continuity, and they were seemingly painting Kylo as an alternative version of Jacen, it seemed like the few worthwhile things that WERE part of the EU were being salvaged out anyway.

That being said, the real problem with the new movies seems to be that no one at Disney seems to have had ANY real plan for the films. Unlike the Marvel movies, which are integrated into each other and have overarching plots planned years in advance (and which have a single person in charge guiding the ship and making important decisions), it seems the Star Wars films are pretty much being left to the devices of each individual director to plot out and handle, which in turn makes it a jumbled mess at best and a collection of terrible decisions at worst.

Disney basically needs someone to fill the Lucas role - just preferably someone with better ideas than Lucas had, and who is open to criticism when they push stupid or insane ideas. Instead, we have situations like Rian Johnson saying he was told literally nothing about plot even when he asked, and was just told to make up whatever he felt like as he went.

Disney didn't need to 'salvage' anything. The franchise was well loved already. If anything it's gone downhill drastically.

Lolwat
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DarkKirby2500 posted...

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My favorite moment in all of Robot Chicken.
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Meesa seesa landslide!
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Black_Crusher posted...

Meesa seesa landslide!

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Jar Jar because he adds nothing of importance.
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Unbridled9 posted...

Disney didn't need to 'salvage' anything. The franchise was well loved already.

The franchise was, yes (hate for the prequels aside). The EU, no.

A tiny fraction of the overall fanbase read and cared about the EU novels, while the majority didn't give a single shit that they existed at all. And plenty of people disliked them for multiple reasons, including the fact that most of them barely manage to transcend the level of genre trash.

The Zahn books actually come close to being worthwhile additions to the Star Wars mythos. Most of the other books...don't.

But there's too much pure BAD in the EU that Disney would have had to work around, which wasn't feasible. And if that means they have to sacrifice 1 good thing for every 10 bad things they throw out, it's a sacrifice that was both necessary and worthwhile.



Unbridled9 posted...

The Vong would have worked perfectly for the movies as a villain as well.

The Vong are one of the worst parts of the EU bar none, and kind of sum up all of the worst parts of the EU as a concept.

If you think people are shitting on the Disney movies now, they'd be shitting on them far worse if they'd just aped the EU as a whole for a few movies and then brought the Vong in.


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The Vong are one of the worst parts of the EU bar none, and kind of sum up all of the worst parts of the EU as a concept.

If you think people are shitting on the Disney movies now, they'd be shitting on them far worse if they'd just aped the EU as a whole for a few movies and then brought the Vong in.

A strange and alien race that are a literal void in the force that utilize living organisms as weapons and are more than capable of overwhelming the republic at its full strength yet have fractures and flaws in things like their cast system and an unhealthy focus on the jedi? They may not have worked in the books and what-not, but if you can't at least see how that COULD work in a movie sequel than I'd have to seriously question you. I mean... Start off with the first movie involving the arrival of the Vong and a slow march that culminates with Luke and his Jedi making a heroic last stand at the Yavin temple before being forced to flee with heavy losses. Regulate the war itself to an animated series then pick up with the second movie going from the fall of Courscant, Jacen's fall to the dark side, and then the battle of Ebaq 9. Continue the mini-series and have it conclude with the second battle and defeat of the Vong. You can even throw some stuff in like having the battle of E9 'won' by having the Republic ally with the Imperial reminates. Star Destroyers and Republic frigates fighting alongside each other, stormtroopers beside Jedi, and everything. If we're gonna deviate from the canon we may as well make it big and show progress as opposed to having the first movie be Episode IV and the second be V in reverse if it was written by monkeys.
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Unbridled9 posted...

The Vong are one of the worst parts of the EU bar none, and kind of sum up all of the worst parts of the EU as a concept.

If you think people are shitting on the Disney movies now, they'd be shitting on them far worse if they'd just aped the EU as a whole for a few movies and then brought the Vong in.

A strange and alien race that are a literal void in the force that utilize living organisms as weapons and are more than capable of overwhelming the republic at its full strength yet have fractures and flaws in things like their cast system and an unhealthy focus on the jedi? They may not have worked in the books and what-not, but if you can't at least see how that COULD work in a movie sequel than I'd have to seriously question you. I mean... Start off with the first movie involving the arrival of the Vong and a slow march that culminates with Luke and his Jedi making a heroic last stand at the Yavin temple before being forced to flee with heavy losses. Regulate the war itself to an animated series then pick up with the second movie going from the fall of Courscant, Jacen's fall to the dark side, and then the battle of Ebaq 9. Continue the mini-series and have it conclude with the second battle and defeat of the Vong. You can even throw some stuff in like having the battle of E9 'won' by having the Republic ally with the Imperial reminates. Star Destroyers and Republic frigates fighting alongside each other, stormtroopers beside Jedi, and everything. If we're gonna deviate from the canon we may as well make it big and show progress as opposed to having the first movie be Episode IV and the second be V in reverse if it was written by monkeys.

Agreed.

The concept of the Vong could actually work in a live-action Star Wars.
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IDK. I stopped watching after the first sequel.

The sound effects and visual effects were great, but they don't feel like star wars movies.

It's a genuinely safe, bland, by the book live action Disney movie.
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