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dave_is_slick
07/10/18 6:38:52 PM
#202:


FrisbeeDude posted...
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Y'all are literally defending someone who's slandering her former employer and acting like women are delicate little children that can't be held accountable for anything. If y'all are trying to portray yourselves as progressive you're damn sure not doing a good job of it.


lmao bruh, it's all good. You got the mean feminist outta there. You dont have to worry about her triggering you anymore

What is wrong with you.
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Tmk
07/10/18 6:44:25 PM
#203:


"GG is just anti-feminist woman-hating bullies"

"No it's not here's evidence to the contrary"

"*ignores it all* GG is just anti-feminist woman-hating bullies!"

An abridged history of Gamergate.
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Webmaster4531
07/10/18 6:46:47 PM
#204:


Tmk posted...
"GG is just anti-feminist woman-hating bullies"

"No it's not here's evidence to the contrary"

"*ignores it all* GG is just anti-feminist woman-hating bullies!"

An abridged history of Gamergate.

True.
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Jagermeister513
07/10/18 6:55:22 PM
#206:


https://twitter.com/i/moments/851713200537993216?lang=en

You'll notice that Rian Johnson's friend Devin Faraci is on this list. Funny how male feminists usually turn out to be sexual predators.
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Tmk
07/10/18 6:56:07 PM
#207:


Unfortunately even that's being too kind to GG opponents.

What really was a turning point for me I think, was TotalBiscuit's death. I'm not even a like, fan of his. I don't especially have a problem with him, just not really actively following him and his videos or whatever.

So, when he died, I heard about it all over the place. No surprise, he's influential. And I was seeing people celebrating his death. And that puzzled me. Looking into it, the reason given was "he was on the wrong side of Gamergate"

What a grim statement. I actually was not aware of his stance exactly on the matter. So I looked into it. What I found was he appeared to be laser-focused entirely on the actual ethics and calling out corruption, and also calling out any abusive/toxic behavior supposedly done in the name of GG in support of it.

This struck me because so often what I see feminists say to demean GG as a whole is: they don't really care about ethics, they just are sexist and want to bully women. There is no legitimacy to them, they are just sexists. Several people on CE in these topics recently has said exactly that. But here's TB, the sort of person that should be welcomed, because he's not only not part of that abusiveness, he's openly opposed to it, and focusing on a legitimate issue. Then he dies of cancer in his 30s and feminists openly celebrate. Including...Jessica Price.

And this is really bad. This is a clear example of acting in bad faith. The narrative is, Gamergate is evil, because it's not actually about legitimate issues, it's about hating women, and because of this "FACT", anyone who is opposed to hating women and cares about legitimate issues brought up by Gamergate is also evil by association. It's a very effective way to demonise a whole group, and then use that to dismiss people in the group who disprove the generalisation because hey, they associate with it. They're on the wrong side of Gamergate.

So, because I realise that Gamergate has a point, and legitimacy, even to this day, there are feminists who think it'd be best if I got cancer and died. There are undoubtedly people on this board, in this very topic probably, who'd prefer it if I, and anyone who agrees with me, died of cancer. Just if I dropped dead right now even, round of applause, world improved.

This is the type of person who wields absolute power on the internet in feminism.
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Broseph_Stalin
07/10/18 6:56:09 PM
#208:


people are still trying to make GG a thing lmao

next time don't plan your harassment campaigns in public IRC channels maybe
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Webmaster4531
07/10/18 7:03:04 PM
#209:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
people are still trying to make GG a thing lmao

next time don't plan your harassment campaigns in public IRC channels maybe

The United States was supposed to be freedom just for white landowners.
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CyricZ
07/10/18 7:09:00 PM
#210:


Tmk posted...
This is the type of person who wields absolute power on the internet in feminism.

But they don't. This Price incident proved that they don't.
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Tmk
07/10/18 7:11:34 PM
#211:


CyricZ posted...
But they don't. This Price incident proved that they don't.

I said in feminism.

The support Price is getting in the sphere of feminism shows that no matter how wrong you are, you've an army at your disposal to blindly support you if you're a feminist.
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CyricZ
07/10/18 7:16:42 PM
#212:


Yeah, to what end, though? Regardless of her absolute power, she's fired and will remain fired.
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Tmk
07/10/18 7:25:59 PM
#213:


CyricZ posted...
Yeah, to what end, though? Regardless of her absolute power, she's fired and will remain fired.

It bothers me because I hate sexism, I want equality, but I also hate dishonesty, manipulation and absolutely tribalism. Tribalism is so fucking bad.

So when I see a situation like this with Price, and I see these sites lying about it, basically spreading propaganda. And slandering gamers. You know, I'm sick of being called a nazi. And a racist. And a sexist. I'm really sick of it. I'm sick of these terms being diluted down into buzzwords to use as a cudgel to beat away any valid criticism, to stave off having to own up to faults, at the expense of their real meaning and impact.

I'm sick of how stupid and gullible people are being on the internet because like a magnet it draws these types of scummy liars, these charlatans that will exploit them for it. If there's a large enough audience base to manipulate by waving a feminist flag, it will draw in manipulators who'll set everything back for everyone just for their own ends. And so many feminists keep digging in their heels and fighting for the most unworthy people possible, at their own expense.

And it's not just Price and random people on twitter, since it's also news sites, with a lot of power to influence people, and it's also various developers as well, and people involved in teaching. In that Polygon article even it's outright stated there's already coordination going on to try and hurt ANet as retribution over this. So it's not like there's 0 consequences for standing up to Price in this case.

It wouldn't surprise me if the streamer she lashed out at that sparked all this has been harassed over it as well since it's not like one side has a monopoly on that kind of abusive behavior and in the eyes of extremists he'll be seen as the catalyst for it all.
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CyricZ
07/10/18 7:38:09 PM
#214:


Tmk posted...
It bothers me because I hate sexism, I want equality, but I also hate dishonesty, manipulation and absolutely tribalism.

Well you can't force equality on people (certainly not from here).

This is the result of being part of an historically oppressed group. When some get power, they will abuse it. And women tend to be more cerebral in their interactions than men, so you'll see deception and manipulation and raising the flag of oppression. More insidious than the more stereotypical male direct abuse. It's going to happen.

So call it out when it happens, but don't lose sight of why you're doing what you're doing. You're not doing it to "be right". You're doing it to make the world a better place, as little at a time as you can. Don't assume you're going to fix the world overnight.

And for those who stick their head in the sand and support the opposing side no matter what: you're not going to win all, or even any, of them over on your own. You have to pick your battles. Simply trying to put out fires whenever you see them and getting frustrated when you don't succeed is more damaging to you than to any of their arguments.

I mean, look at some of the things you're saying here. Saying that people here would be happy if you died? You know that isn't true, you won't convince anyone to follow your argument if you say this, and it's a pretty emotionally damaging thing to say.

Sometimes you have to take a deep breath, step away from the keyboard, and recharge doing something you love, or being with someone you love. Don't worry, the debate will still be here when you get back.
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Tmk
07/10/18 7:42:49 PM
#215:


It is true though. If people will celebrate someone's death over being on "the wrong side of Gamergate" despite not actually doing anything wrong, that applies to everyone then. If you don't lock in step with the most toxic elements of feminism found on the internet, then people want you dead to improve the world. There's no other way to take those celebrations. That's the morbid point things have reached.

Feminism has long since lost me. It's too far gone, I cannot co-exist with all the toxicity.
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MrMallard
07/10/18 8:07:55 PM
#216:


See, despite any blind support that Jessica Price is getting, it's easy for anyone to go into the series of events and see the whole thing for themselves. Do we really need to reiterate how wrong this person is because a small subsect of people stand by them blindly? Just ignore the bullshit, maintain the series of events as they happened, and be chill about it.

The only thing that raving lunacy does is make you look like an unsympathetic asshole. Jessica Price's Twitter behavior has proved this, because anyone who's actually given it a decent look has decried it as shitty behavior. Be decent instead of being bitter, and things won't blow back.
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Tmk
07/10/18 8:18:24 PM
#217:


Past experience has indicated that maintaining the true story will get you labeled as a nazi hate-monger.
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CyricZ
07/10/18 8:24:36 PM
#219:


Conflict posted...
We have a dude in this topic who's royally incapable of perceiving her behavior though. He just thinks she "rustled some gamergator jimmies"

So? Who cares what he thinks?
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COVxy
07/10/18 8:27:03 PM
#221:


MrMallard posted...
See, despite any blind support that Jessica Price is getting, it's easy for anyone to go into the series of events and see the whole thing for themselves. Do we really need to reiterate how wrong this person is because a small subsect of people stand by them blindly? Just ignore the bullshit, maintain the series of events as they happened, and be chill about it.


But most don't really give a shit about the ensuing events. The reason people are so gung ho about it is that it provides them with the one positive example that justifies their previously held beliefs.
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CyricZ
07/10/18 8:30:24 PM
#222:


Conflict posted...
This topic demonstrates that half of y'all are completely incapable of perceiving the actual facts because God forbid you end up agreeing with a demographic of people you don't like

If agreeing with a demographic was so against me, I just wouldn't post in this topic.

COVxy posted...
But most don't really give a shit about the ensuing events. The reason people are so gung ho about it is that it provides them with the one positive example that justifies their previously held beliefs.

This is the part that annoys me. I mean, yeah, some catharsis is warranted for being right, but for god's sake, there's a wallowing that goes on that's just unbecoming.
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MrMallard
07/10/18 10:31:19 PM
#223:


Tmk posted...
Past experience has indicated that maintaining the true story will get you labeled as a nazi hate-monger.

This isn't Gamergate. There's a lot of baggage and shit to Gamergate and its crowd that doesn't apply to this situation.

There's a lot to say about Gamergate, but this is a whole other beast.
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ledbowman
07/10/18 10:46:39 PM
#224:


You don't need to type a wall to well actually us. We saw what gamergate was. Good effort though I guess.
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Tmk
07/11/18 1:55:38 AM
#225:


MrMallard posted...
This isn't Gamergate. There's a lot of baggage and shit to Gamergate and its crowd that doesn't apply to this situation.

There's a lot to say about Gamergate, but this is a whole other beast.

It's exactly the thing Gamergate talked about, it's being treated the same way that is, defenders of Price immediately blamed Gamergate for it as well.

ledbowman posted...
You don't need to type a wall to well actually us. We saw what gamergate was. Good effort though I guess.

No I'm pretty sure you're ignorant of the truth, but what I'm less sure of is if it's willful or not. >_>
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mario2000
07/11/18 12:51:45 PM
#226:


gg defenders are the worst type of people
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scar the 1
07/11/18 2:30:56 PM
#227:


mario2000 posted...
gg defenders are the worst type of people

Eh, I think Esrac for example is quite a good poster. GG defenders come in different flavors.
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dave_is_slick
07/11/18 2:36:09 PM
#228:


mario2000 posted...
gg defenders are the worst type of people

So the many civil posts about it in this very fucking topic don't exist?
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Webmaster4531
07/11/18 2:58:10 PM
#229:


Anti-gg are terrible people.
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scar the 1
07/11/18 2:58:45 PM
#230:


Webmaster4531 posted...
Anti-gg are terrible people.

Idk man, I'm pretty nice
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Webmaster4531
07/11/18 3:09:35 PM
#231:


scar the 1 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Anti-gg are terrible people.

Idk man, I'm pretty nice

If you were pro-gg someone would say you're a "nice guy" incell.
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Kineth
07/11/18 3:15:51 PM
#232:


Webmaster4531 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Anti-gg are terrible people.

Idk man, I'm pretty nice

If you were pro-gg someone would say you're a "nice guy" incell.


Uh, are you done?
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Webmaster4531
07/11/18 3:55:59 PM
#233:


Kineth posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Anti-gg are terrible people.

Idk man, I'm pretty nice

If you were pro-gg someone would say you're a "nice guy" incell.


Uh, are you done?

No.
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mario2000
07/11/18 3:58:32 PM
#234:


dave_is_slick posted...
mario2000 posted...
gg defenders are the worst type of people

So the many civil posts about it in this very fucking topic don't exist?

terrible people are very much capable of being civil
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Webmaster4531
07/11/18 4:01:58 PM
#235:


mario2000 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
mario2000 posted...
gg defenders are the worst type of people

So the many civil posts about it in this very fucking topic don't exist?

terrible people are very much capable of being civil

Agreed.
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cjsdowg
07/11/18 5:06:07 PM
#236:


From what I have read about this . Women are above criticism in any form. Just like when the people in the ocean 8 complained about males not liking their movie at much.
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FrisbeeDude
07/11/18 5:06:52 PM
#237:


cjsdowg posted...
From what I have read about this . Women are above criticism in any form. Just like when the people in the ocean 8 complained about males not liking their movie at much.


what a terrible fucking take
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Webmaster4531
07/11/18 5:08:36 PM
#238:


FrisbeeDude posted...
cjsdowg posted...
From what I have read about this . Women are above criticism in any form. Just like when the people in the ocean 8 complained about males not liking their movie at much.


what a terrible fucking take

What cjs said is pretty accurate.
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dave_is_slick
07/11/18 5:24:41 PM
#239:


mario2000 posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
mario2000 posted...
gg defenders are the worst type of people

So the many civil posts about it in this very fucking topic don't exist?

terrible people are very much capable of being civil

By definition they can't.
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scar the 1
07/11/18 5:28:29 PM
#240:


Webmaster4531 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Webmaster4531 posted...
Anti-gg are terrible people.

Idk man, I'm pretty nice

If you were pro-gg someone would say you're a "nice guy" incell.

Nope, that's something different.
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Tmk
07/11/18 6:12:02 PM
#241:


mario2000 posted...
gg defenders are the worst type of people

So GG defenders are worse than child rapists, murderers, nazis, etc.?
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mario2000
07/11/18 6:41:48 PM
#242:


yes
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Tmk
07/11/18 6:49:05 PM
#243:


https://imgur.com/pgQM3bc
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ProbablyaCat
07/12/18 7:19:55 PM
#244:


mario2000 posted...
like you're seriously gonna sit there and tell me that a bunch of shut-in virgin manchildren are capable of suddenly caring about ethics in...anything?


Imagine resorting to shitflinging because you can't form a coherent argument and actually being proud of that. Tragic, yet amusing.
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