Current Events > Male feminists here, how do you think being a feminist helps you?

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I'm genuinely curious. I've never seen a feminist do anything other than dismiss any issue that affects men, that wasn't exactly this... "We are against gender roles that affect men and women negatively."

Any other issue is dismissed entirely or worse the guy bringing it up is attacked and called a misogynist.
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They think (incorrectly) that it will get them laid.

It's the exact same mentality "nice guys" have, just trying a different approach.
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DarkTransient posted...

They think (incorrectly) that it will get them laid.

It's the exact same mentality "nice guys" have, just trying a different approach.

The ones that aren't just sexual predators in feminist clothing.

I kid.

But seriously, for a while, it seemed like every other public male feminist was having some scandal involving being a sexual predator.
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I don't really consider myself a feminist, but I think you probably would. Anyway, I don't have opinions based on how much they would benefit me personally. I have them if I think they're right.
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is this one of those topics where "feminism" is just an excuse to complain about women?
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billcom6 posted...

is this one of those topics where "feminism" is just an excuse to complain about women?

I love women. I just don't see feminism as being beneficial to men at all, and it's not really beneficial to women anymore either. It was a good thing like 30 years ago.
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Howl posted...

billcom6 posted...

is this one of those topics where "feminism" is just an excuse to complain about women?

I love women. I just don't see feminism as being beneficial to men at all, and it's not really beneficial to women anymore either. It was a good thing like 30 years ago.

There are still inequalities for both genders, but no progress can be made by either side without help from one another. So maybe you can consider helping women as a bit of a "quid pro quo."
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Minute posted...

Howl posted...

billcom6 posted...

is this one of those topics where "feminism" is just an excuse to complain about women?

I love women. I just don't see feminism as being beneficial to men at all, and it's not really beneficial to women anymore either. It was a good thing like 30 years ago.

There are still inequalities for both genders, but no progress can be made by either side without help from one another. So maybe helping women can be considered a bit of a "quid pro quo."

Quid pro quo is literally sexual harrassment legally.
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Howl posted...

Minute posted...

Howl posted...

billcom6 posted...

is this one of those topics where "feminism" is just an excuse to complain about women?

I love women. I just don't see feminism as being beneficial to men at all, and it's not really beneficial to women anymore either. It was a good thing like 30 years ago.

There are still inequalities for both genders, but no progress can be made by either side without help from one another. So maybe helping women can be considered a bit of a "quid pro quo."

Quid pro quo is literally sexual harrassment legally.

Huh?
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being right is its own reward
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billcom6 posted...

is this one of those topics where "feminism" is just an excuse to complain about women?

you know it
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The23rdMagus posted...

Huh?

I think he thinks that when I said "quid pro quo" he thought I meant they'll have sex with you for being a feminist, because some people can't get their mind off the poon I guess.

What I meant was, if you want women to help fight for whatever male rights you think we lack (I read earlier today that in some European countries, there are over 1.5 times as many women in higher education than men, so I don't doubt there are areas where we're at a disadvantage), you should maybe help them out in areas where women are disadvantaged.
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It's not about helping me. It's about what's right.

Civil rights, suffrage, equal pay, gay marriage, none of those things "benefit" me directly. It just makes the world I live in a better place.

And before anyone gets their ass hairs twisted in a tizzy, I'm a feminist in the classical use of the word. Ya know, the actual one? The one that's about fucking equality between the sexes. I can't stand what so many people associate feminism with today and wish we could "get the word back".
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There are a ton of female feminist who hate male feminist.
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Well, the world is still obviously far from equal, unfortunately.

The equal pay thing sure but companies should then mandate equal overtime and equal leave. Before anyone says it we already can split parental leave 50/50 in canada.

i feel like most of the time being a male feminist is really just having basic awareness
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DarkTransient posted...

They think (incorrectly) that it will get them laid.

It's the exact same mentality "nice guys" have, just trying a different approach.

/topic
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cjsdowg posted...

There are a ton of female feminist who hate male feminist.

What I often see is female feminists who get angry when male feminists try to take the spotlight and speak with authority on issues they have no personal experience with. It's like they're really missing the point they're trying to convey.
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scar the 1 posted...

cjsdowg posted...

There are a ton of female feminist who hate male feminist.

What I often see is female feminists who get angry when male feminists try to take the spotlight and speak with authority on issues they have no personal experience with. It's like they're really missing the point they're trying to convey.

That does happen.

However, sometimes such a critic is dead wrong in the presumption that no man can have any keen insight into women's issues at all. Part of the reason feminism even exists is men being a necessary component of it, not just as the bad guys who cause a need for it...but also supportive men who are willing to enable it and not stand in it's way.

Let's be real: if most men decided to put their foot down several decades ago and said absolutely NO to western feminism, it would not exist as influentially today no matter how much women cried for it. Men had more than enough power back then to squash it into submission and make it taboo. Western nations could have been similar to the middle east in gender norms. That did not come to pass because a significant number of men were willing to step aside and say YES.

Many men also have personal connections to female family and cohorts which gives them varying levels of incentive to observe a woman's struggles and strive to alleviating them both socially and politically. You don't always have to be within the demographic to have a clear enough view to understand it's biggest issues. If that wasn't the real case, no people would ever help anyone different than themselves. Men and women, for example, would never support each in any way. They would only use each other much like we used beasts of burden in the past.

Clearly that's not the case today because some men DO have a clear understanding of women's issues. It would seem ridiculous to call any man an expert of what a woman endures in her life (and vice versa), but it's just as stupid to claim no man could possibly understand any of a woman's struggles. Plenty of men have because they said yes to women's rights.
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Is it possible that, you know, that people actually do things because it's the right thing to do and not because they have some ulterior motives?

Are right wingers so devoid of empathy and morality that they have to drag everyone down to their level?
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how exactly do you think never interacting with anyone irl helps you, tc?
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LightningAce11 posted...

Are right wingers so devoid of empathy and morality that they have to drag everyone down to their level?

yes. particularly racist incels like TC
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I don't know enough about feminism to say whether I am one or not but everybody deserves equal rights and respect.
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I'm a male feminist. It helps me because it helps my fellow humans. More specifically it helps my family. Equality is a good thing.
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Feminism isn't one, monolithic ideology where everyone agrees. I call myself a Feminist but I've also met Feminists who don't want me in their movement. Over all, I think reasonable people are winning the fight for ownership over the term, so I gladly throw my hat in with them.

Understanding Feminism makes me a better father to my two daughters, and to my son.
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ClockworkHare posted...

However, sometimes such a critic is dead wrong in the presumption that no man can have any keen insight into women's issues at all.

I think often that's not the criticism, it's rather that they're co-opting the platform. That's a separate issue from having keen insight.
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I'm just for equality, man
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scar the 1 posted...

ClockworkHare posted...

However, sometimes such a critic is dead wrong in the presumption that no man can have any keen insight into women's issues at all.

I think often that's not the criticism, it's rather that they're co-opting the platform. That's a separate issue from having keen insight.

We're talking about two different scenarios.

Sometimes a feminist critic is correct in saying a specific man doesn't know much about women's issues and really should not be trying to "co-opt the platform" by playing himself off as an authority of it. Particularly if that man is speaking out of his ass and benevolently over generalizing. This seems to be what you're referring to.

Sometimes a feminist critic is incorrect in presuming that a man could never have enough insight into any women's issues himself to speak on a platform at all. There are some men who actually legitimately can on certain subjects and it doesn't innately hurt the causes of feminism to hear from a man's perspective as well. Part of what encourages more men to take note of women's issues is hearing about them from other respectable men they can relate to. This is what I'm talking about.

They're two different scenarios that spark feminist criticism towards men who claim to be male feminists.
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metralo posted...

LightningAce11 posted...

Are right wingers so devoid of empathy and morality that they have to drag everyone down to their level?

yes. particularly racist incels like TC

Dude I'm married and have 2 kids and idk where TF you got the idea that I'm racist in any way. Have you ever seen me post anything even borderline racist? No. You have absolutely no reason to think that about me.
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LightningAce11 posted...

Is it possible that, you know, that people actually do things because it's the right thing to do and not because they have some ulterior motives?

Are right wingers so devoid of empathy and morality that they have to drag everyone down to their level?

Any logical thinking person knows feminism doesn't make any sense and is based on lies. Women especially western women are the most privileged class yet they cry about oppression on the regular. Equality? Women have surpassed men, but It's not enough because feminism was never about equality, but dominance and control over men.
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Funny how feminists just dismiss men's issues by blaming it on the patriarchy and yet they're forcing women to be as masculine as possible to avoid being deemed traitors and last time I checked most education is being female-pandering so I doubt the patriarchy has much to play.

Jergensmeat posted...

Funny how feminists just dismiss men's issues by blaming it on the patriarchy

Examples?
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