Poll of the Day > Do you like this person: Chris Hardwick

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WellKnownNomad posted...

If more of Chriss ex came out and said Chris abused them, I would give her the benefit to believe her but since none of them are confirming Chloes accusation and the fact her current boyfriend helping the witch hunt on Hardwick is a confirmed abuser, Chloes word seems more and more suspicious

But what does that have to do with me? You chose me specifically to start attacking when I don't give a shit about this.
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Zeus posted...

Decoy77 posted...

She is a nobody

That's a stretch.

Not really. She kind of IS a nobody, for most definitions of the term.

Most of the notoriety she has stems from being a "YouTube celebrity" (which is almost meaningless), which she's parlayed into incredibly minor roles in other things. At best, she borders on being what used to be known as a D-list celebrity.

The vast majority of the world have no idea who she is, and most people don't really care.



Final Fantasy2389 posted...

Jen0125 posted...

Final Fantasy2389 posted...

as he was a recovering alcoholic at one point

how would that make him more prone to being abusive or more prone to sexually assaulting his girlfriend?

Oh I don't know. Some people do some messed up stuff when having withdrawls. Maybe you didn't, but I've seen it happen. But sure, just because Jen and her infinite wisdom says it can't be the case, it's not.

I don't even know what stage of his recovery he would have been in when with her, just it's a possibility I'm throwing out there that's probably not even a factor.

Jen being Jen aside, the more coherent way to sum up that particular scenario might be to point out that if he IS a "recovering alcoholic", then at some point he was almost certainly a "drunken alcoholic", and it's entirely possible that he could have been abusive or manipulative while drunk, and that sobering up and staying clean has changed that aspect of his personality.

So if he was drinking while they were together, he could easily have been abusive, but if he then sobered up while in other relationships, he might not have been abusive in those.

That being said, that still assumes the accusations are accurate, which they may not be.



Mead posted...

The only people that know what actually happened are the two people who were in the relationship.

And one or both of them can easily be lying about what happened, so trying to find ways to verify their story or falsify their credibility are still valid ways to interpret the data. When all you have is a He Said/She Said situation, other people coming forward to say "Well, one of them is trustworthy while the other blatantly lies constantly" is absolutely relevant info.

I mean, we COULD just rationally ignore every aspect of the story because we'll never know for sure who's telling the truth, and just default to assuming he accused is "innocent until proven guilty", but we stopped living in that world a LOOOONG time ago - and the witch hunt gangs certainly aren't about to stop destroying people's lives just because of lack of evidence.

So as long as we're in a world where someone's life and reputation can be utterly destroyed by the mere accusation of wrongdoing, even without direct evidence or proof of any kind, I'm still going to say that accusers should probably be held up to strong scrutiny, and counterbalancing testimony should count just as equally. If one person accuses someone of being terrible, but dozens of people support that person, I'm more likely to assume the accuser is bitter or crazy and lying than I am to take everything they say at face value without evidence.

And to paraphrase what is supposed to be the core principle of the US legal system, better 100 guilty people should go free than a single innocent be jailed.


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Agreed and if Hardwicks other exes had confirmed what Chloe has said, then I would have been inclined to believe her
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WellKnownNomad posted...

Or maybe I don't like fucking liars when its clear that she is coming off petty and desperate and conveniently dating a guy with an actual abusive history now especially when 3 other women have said Hardwick isn't abusive when compared to the only person that has said Hardwick was abusive

Geez, you in love with him or something?

Mead posted...

True or not his entertainment career is over.

Nerdist has cut all ties with him despite the fact that he founded the site, AMC has put his talking series indefinitely on hold, and San Diego Comicon had has announced that he wont be hosting any of their panels this year despite being one of the events most popular hosts.

Which, tbh, is a testament to the insanity of the #MeToo movement where an accusation -- and one where he wasn't actually named -- is enough to get somebody blacklisted.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Zeus posted...

Decoy77 posted...

She is a nobody

That's a stretch.

Not really. She kind of IS a nobody, for most definitions of the term.

Most of the notoriety she has stems from being a "YouTube celebrity" (which is almost meaningless), which she's parlayed into incredibly minor roles in other things. At best, she borders on being what used to be known as a D-list celebrity.

The vast majority of the world have no idea who she is, and most people don't really care.

...but the same is true of Chris Hardwick, making it an insincere criticism.

WellKnownNomad posted...

Agreed and if Hardwicks other exes had confirmed what Chloe has said, then I would have been inclined to believe her

Or you just really, really, really want to believe Chris Hardwick for some bizarre reason.
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The only thing I'm aware of that he does was Talking Dead. I only watched a handful of episodes.

But if it were someone who I really liked and always enjoyed their stuff, that's all that would matter to me. I wouldn't care if they smacked an ex around or whatever else it was she claims he did. I would just want to keep seeing them do the shit that keeps me entertained.
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Bugmeat posted...

The only thing I'm aware of that he does was Talking Dead. I only watched a handful of episodes.

But if it were someone who I really liked and always enjoyed their stuff, that's all that would matter to me. I wouldn't care if they smacked an ex around or whatever else it was she claims he did. I would just want to keep seeing them do the shit that keeps me entertained.

She never claimed he did anything like that

She mostly just describes him as being a controlling jerk of a boyfriend sometimes and her reluctantly sleeping with him when she didnt really want to
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Mead posted...

She mostly just describes him as being a controlling jerk of a boyfriend sometimes and her reluctantly sleeping with him when she didnt really want to

That's it? Seriously? Then what the fuck are people getting their tits all bent out of shape over? Career ruined for kind of being a jerk?

I figured she had to have at least claimed thay he popped her a few times for him to lose his show and all that other shit.
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^ And Hardwick has shown texts from her months later wondering if they could somehow work it out. So she must not have been too upset back then.
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So suspiciously Chloe changed her story in her article and thought nobody would notice

http://arseniclullabies.com/wordpress/?p=16391

And before someone says its a small change, no big deal you are right but then why change it to begin with?
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Mead posted...

and her reluctantly sleeping with him when she didnt really want to

Every spouse fakes one or more orgasm in their marriage.
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Chris Hardwick
has a Hardick

Not anymore, but that has more to do with my discontent regarding AMC and the Walking Dead.

I don't give a fuck about his personal life.

ZackMorris posted...

Mead posted...

and her reluctantly sleeping with him when she didnt really want to

Every spouse fakes one or more orgasm in their marriage.

Yeah, that's a ridiculous complaint. Both spouses in a healthy, loving marriage are gonna "just go with it" at some points when they're not really in the mood for the sake of their partner, who is.

That's not anything remotely even in the same category as being assaulted or against your will.

this shit is legitimately terrifying.
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Zeus posted...

...but the same is true of Chris Hardwick, making it an insincere criticism.

A fair argument... though he's easily had more of a career than her, and has achieved more across multiple media. He's hosted multiple shows across multiple decades, has one of the most popular podcasts on iTunes, and created The Nerdist. He's also written and produced content that he didn't necessarily star in, and has generally been successful in content production for nearly 25 years.

Meanwhile, she's a would-be model and actress who is mostly known for cosplay and online videos (many of which were made for her former boyfriend's company), whose majority of early roles seem to have come directly due to her relationship with Hardwick (ie, she's guesting on shows with his friends). And in spite of her claims that she was blacklisted from the industry after breaking up with him, there is very little pause in her listed roles post-breakup, while she has almost no career prior to them meeting. It's not that difficult to argue that literally the only reason anyone knows who she is at all outside of dedicated con-goers or cosplay fans is solely because of Chris Hardwick.

I knew who he was 20 years ago via mainstream media. I only know who she is because she played board games on Tabletop and was a background character in There Will Be Brawl - both of which she only did because Hardwick was friends with Wil Wheaton and Matt Mercer. Sooo...


Basically, even if you assume Chris Hardwick is somewhat of a nobody to mainstream audiences, she's still way more of a nobody than he is, so I'd say "She is a nobody that's mad he is successful and left her cheating ass behind" is a perfect valid argument, because he's easily more successful than her, and he DID leave her after she cheated on him (which also ties into the other earlier comment that she's "the bitter ex that literally begged to come back to him after he dumped her", since we've seen actual proof of that via phone messages).


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OneTimeBen posted...

^ And Hardwick has shown texts from her months later wondering if they could somehow work it out. So she must not have been too upset back then.

Stockholm Syndrome. Abused women have also repeatedly gone back to their abuser who, in many cases, later kills them. But hey, by your same logic, putting somebody in a hospital couldn't really be *that* bad if they want to go back, right?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Basically, even if you assume Chris Hardwick is somewhat of a nobody to mainstream audiences, she's still way more of a nobody than he is, so I'd say "She is a nobody that's mad he is successful and left her cheating ass behind" is a perfect valid argument, because he's easily more successful than her, and he DID leave her after she cheated on him (which also ties into the other earlier comment that she's "the bitter ex that literally begged to come back to him after he dumped her", since we've seen actual proof of that via phone messages).

Either way you're arguing, "Who's the bigger e-list celebrity aspiring to someday be a d-list celebrity?"

As for wanting to get back together, keep in mind Rihanna went back to Chris Brown. The idea that an abused partner wants to be with their abuser doesn't magically dismiss alleged abuse. And keep in mind that Rihanna was also the lesser name when that abuse was exposed.
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He was good at hosting Singled Out.
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The guy is a rapist, of course not.

Zeus posted...

Either way you're arguing, "Who's the bigger e-list celebrity aspiring to someday be a d-list celebrity?"

Not really. I'd argue that they're absolutely on different tiers of "fame" - if she's an e-list celebrity aspiring to someday be on the d-list, he's already on the d-list and has occasionally skirted within arms' reach of the bottom of the c-list.

He's definitely more famous than her, without question. So if someone is arguing that she's jealous of his fame, I can accept that argument. Especially when you consider most of the success she DOES have in that field is almost entirely due to him in the first place.



Zeus posted...

As for wanting to get back together, keep in mind Rihanna went back to Chris Brown. The idea that an abused partner wants to be with their abuser doesn't magically dismiss alleged abuse.

Oh, I agree. But that wasn't really the point I was making.

I was more pointing out the "she begged him to take her back and he didn't, thus potentially engendering ill-will and vindictiveness on her part" aspect. Not so much the idea that he couldn't be abusive because she wanted to go back, more that her accusations may be tinged with bitterness and a touch of revenge because he didn't take her back when she was begging him to.

I've already said I have no real opinion or guess at whether actual abuse occurred or if she's exaggerating/lying, as much as I have absolutely no interest or real motivation to care. I'm mostly just pointing out that the argument that she might be trying to fuck with him because she's mad at him for leaving her is entirely plausible. But plausible doesn't necessarily mean probable, or even definite.

Though to be fair, because of my own attitude towards cheating in relationships, and what I've seen of her personality in the past, I can absolutely believe she's a vindictive c*** who would absolutely be willing to destroy someone's life solely out of petty spite. On the other hand, from what I've seen of his personality, I can also believe that he's a controlling asshole who pressured her into things and emotionally belittled her, so we're kind of back to square one.

Though apparently every other woman he's ever known coming out to defend him or otherwise say he's not even remotely that sort of person does tend to sway reasonable doubt back to his corner, so if push came to shove I'd probably say she's lying and he's not.



Zeus posted...

And keep in mind that Rihanna was also the lesser name when that abuse was exposed.

I'd disagree with this. I knew who she was long before I knew who he was, and by that point I'd kind of stopped paying attention to modern music or the personalities in it. She'd already released multiple albums, topped multiple global charts, had a best-selling single in the world, and won a Grammy before the allegations came out. She was even supposed to perform on the Grammys - her cancelling is what led to the story coming out in the first place.

He might have been more famous than her in certain circles, or among certain demographics, but I'd be inclined to say she was far more notable to a mainstream audience than he was. Which is why most of those stories were couched in terms of "Rihanna was abused by her boyfriend" and not "Chris Brown abused his girlfriend".

Their relationship bordered more on a Bobby Brown/Whitney Houston sort of situation, than it did one where the woman was an almost total unknown while the male was more well-known.


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Ok, zeus never makes sense anymore, but the fact these posts were within hours of each other and both on the same topic is just especially bizarre:

Zeus posted...

Stockholm Syndrome. Abused women have also repeatedly gone back to their abuser who, in many cases, later kills them. But hey, by your same logic, putting somebody in a hospital couldn't really be *that* bad if they want to go back, right?

As for wanting to get back together, keep in mind Rihanna went back to Chris Brown. The idea that an abused partner wants to be with their abuser doesn't magically dismiss alleged abuse.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76786459/904673678

Zeus posted...

And, I should mention, I dislike Rihanna even more than Chris Brown for her complete hypocrisy in talking about ending violence when she refused to press charges against Chris Brown and has come out defending him (possibly because she feels guilty for starting the physical altercation although he *completely* went overboard and well beyond what any reasonable person would do to defend himself). If she actually wanted to do something to end violence in America -- including violence against blacks -- all she had to do was set a fucking example by pressing charges. Instead, she tacitly encouraged black women everywhere to take back abusers.

So, is Rihanna an innocent victim of Stockholm Syndrome to be given sympathy, or do you blame her for making the conscious decision to go back to her abuser and not press charges against him?
And why are you so obsessed w/ Rihanna?

streamofthesky posted...

And why are you so obsessed w/ Rihanna?

They used to date, but she refused to take him back when he begged her to over the phone.


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Zeus posted...

OneTimeBen posted...

^ And Hardwick has shown texts from her months later wondering if they could somehow work it out. So she must not have been too upset back then.

Stockholm Syndrome. Abused women have also repeatedly gone back to their abuser who, in many cases, later kills them. But hey, by your same logic, putting somebody in a hospital couldn't really be *that* bad if they want to go back, right?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Basically, even if you assume Chris Hardwick is somewhat of a nobody to mainstream audiences, she's still way more of a nobody than he is, so I'd say "She is a nobody that's mad he is successful and left her cheating ass behind" is a perfect valid argument, because he's easily more successful than her, and he DID leave her after she cheated on him (which also ties into the other earlier comment that she's "the bitter ex that literally begged to come back to him after he dumped her", since we've seen actual proof of that via phone messages).

Either way you're arguing, "Who's the bigger e-list celebrity aspiring to someday be a d-list celebrity?"

As for wanting to get back together, keep in mind Rihanna went back to Chris Brown. The idea that an abused partner wants to be with their abuser doesn't magically dismiss alleged abuse. And keep in mind that Rihanna was also the lesser name when that abuse was exposed.

Im not an expert but Stockholm Syndrome doesnt apply six months after.
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Hard to imagine someone being angrier at the abused for the way they react to being abused than the actual abuser.

Bad victim! Look what you did!
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Mead posted...

Hard to imagine someone being angrier at the abused for the way they react to being abused than the actual abuser.

Bad victim! Look what you did!

On the other hand, if Dykstra actually IS lying about the abuse, and Hardwick is being persecuted for it in spite of being innocent, then technically she is the abuser while he is both the abused and the victim in this situation.

One could also argue that in that case the real victim might be the entirety of womankind, since if she did make false accusations and that comes out for sure, then she's effectively made it harder for legitimate victims to come forward and be believed in the future. If valid accusations against people like Harvey Weinstein helped allow other victims to come forward and gain justice for their own abuse, false accusations only help slam that door shut again.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Mead posted...

Hard to imagine someone being angrier at the abused for the way they react to being abused than the actual abuser.

Bad victim! Look what you did!

On the other hand, if Dykstra actually IS lying about the abuse, and Hardwick is being persecuted for it in spite of being innocent, then technically she is the abuser while he is both the abused and the victim in this situation.

One could also argue that in that case the real victim might be the entirety of womankind, since if she did make false accusations and that comes out for sure, then she's effectively made it harder for legitimate victims to come forward and be believed in the future. If valid accusations against people like Harvey Weinstein helped allow other victims to come forward and gain justice for their own abuse, false accusations only help slam that door shut again.

Should have clarified that I was referring more to the Chris Brown/Rihanna situation that some users were talking about
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OneTimeBen posted...

Zeus posted...

OneTimeBen posted...

^ And Hardwick has shown texts from her months later wondering if they could somehow work it out. So she must not have been too upset back then.

Stockholm Syndrome. Abused women have also repeatedly gone back to their abuser who, in many cases, later kills them. But hey, by your same logic, putting somebody in a hospital couldn't really be *that* bad if they want to go back, right?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Basically, even if you assume Chris Hardwick is somewhat of a nobody to mainstream audiences, she's still way more of a nobody than he is, so I'd say "She is a nobody that's mad he is successful and left her cheating ass behind" is a perfect valid argument, because he's easily more successful than her, and he DID leave her after she cheated on him (which also ties into the other earlier comment that she's "the bitter ex that literally begged to come back to him after he dumped her", since we've seen actual proof of that via phone messages).

Either way you're arguing, "Who's the bigger e-list celebrity aspiring to someday be a d-list celebrity?"

As for wanting to get back together, keep in mind Rihanna went back to Chris Brown. The idea that an abused partner wants to be with their abuser doesn't magically dismiss alleged abuse. And keep in mind that Rihanna was also the lesser name when that abuse was exposed.

Im not an expert but Stockholm Syndrome doesnt apply six months after.

Zeus knows everything. P much why he's unemployed an single.
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Mead posted...

Should have clarified that I was referring more to the Chris Brown/Rihanna situation that some users were talking about

In that case, I'd be more inclined to agree with you.

Though in that case, the impression I got was that most people who shat on Rihanna /supported Chris Brown for it were mostly female fans who wished they could be in a relationship with Chris Brown, abuse and all. At least that was the impression I sort of got at the time.


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OneTimeBen posted...

Zeus posted...

OneTimeBen posted...

^ And Hardwick has shown texts from her months later wondering if they could somehow work it out. So she must not have been too upset back then.

Stockholm Syndrome. Abused women have also repeatedly gone back to their abuser who, in many cases, later kills them. But hey, by your same logic, putting somebody in a hospital couldn't really be *that* bad if they want to go back, right?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Basically, even if you assume Chris Hardwick is somewhat of a nobody to mainstream audiences, she's still way more of a nobody than he is, so I'd say "She is a nobody that's mad he is successful and left her cheating ass behind" is a perfect valid argument, because he's easily more successful than her, and he DID leave her after she cheated on him (which also ties into the other earlier comment that she's "the bitter ex that literally begged to come back to him after he dumped her", since we've seen actual proof of that via phone messages).

Either way you're arguing, "Who's the bigger e-list celebrity aspiring to someday be a d-list celebrity?"

As for wanting to get back together, keep in mind Rihanna went back to Chris Brown. The idea that an abused partner wants to be with their abuser doesn't magically dismiss alleged abuse. And keep in mind that Rihanna was also the lesser name when that abuse was exposed.

Im not an expert but Stockholm Syndrome doesnt apply six months after.

You sound like more of an expert than Zeus at least.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Not really. I'd argue that they're absolutely on different tiers of "fame" - if she's an e-list celebrity aspiring to someday be on the d-list, he's already on the d-list and has occasionally skirted within arms' reach of the bottom of the c-list.

He's definitely more famous than her, without question. So if someone is arguing that she's jealous of his fame, I can accept that argument. Especially when you consider most of the success she DOES have in that field is almost entirely due to him in the first place.

Really? Because I'd question it. I've never heard of him, at least I recognize her.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'd disagree with this. I knew who she was long before I knew who he was, and by that point I'd kind of stopped paying attention to modern music or the personalities in it. She'd already released multiple albums, topped multiple global charts, had a best-selling single in the world, and won a Grammy before the allegations came out. She was even supposed to perform on the Grammys - her cancelling is what led to the story coming out in the first place.

He might have been more famous than her in certain circles, or among certain demographics, but I'd be inclined to say she was far more notable to a mainstream audience than he was. Which is why most of those stories were couched in terms of "Rihanna was abused by her boyfriend" and not "Chris Brown abused his girlfriend".

Pretty sure that neither was referred to as just a partner in any mainstream outlet. However, the headlines tended to be more Chris Brown attacks Rihanna than Rihanna attacked by Chris Brown. And it wasn't done simply for a more active voice.

And, while I pay almost no attention to music, I knew Chris Brown's name far more than I knew Rihanna's.
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streamofthesky posted...

Ok, zeus never makes sense anymore, but the fact these posts were within hours of each other and both on the same topic is just especially bizarre:

Zeus posted...

Stockholm Syndrome. Abused women have also repeatedly gone back to their abuser who, in many cases, later kills them. But hey, by your same logic, putting somebody in a hospital couldn't really be *that* bad if they want to go back, right?

As for wanting to get back together, keep in mind Rihanna went back to Chris Brown. The idea that an abused partner wants to be with their abuser doesn't magically dismiss alleged abuse.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/76786459/904673678

Zeus posted...

And, I should mention, I dislike Rihanna even more than Chris Brown for her complete hypocrisy in talking about ending violence when she refused to press charges against Chris Brown and has come out defending him (possibly because she feels guilty for starting the physical altercation although he *completely* went overboard and well beyond what any reasonable person would do to defend himself). If she actually wanted to do something to end violence in America -- including violence against blacks -- all she had to do was set a fucking example by pressing charges. Instead, she tacitly encouraged black women everywhere to take back abusers.

So, is Rihanna an innocent victim of Stockholm Syndrome to be given sympathy, or do you blame her for making the conscious decision to go back to her abuser and not press charges against him?
And why are you so obsessed w/ Rihanna?

The fact that you can't make sense of something doesn't mean that something doesn't make sense. There's NO contradiction, other than in your insanely warped perception. You chose to read too much into the first comment regarding Rihanna, to a quite frankly weird degree.

As for your ridiculous spin, do you honestly believe that mentioning Rihanna's name in a conversation about Chris Brown is somehow out of line especially when others within the topic did the same? And, if you concede that it's understandable, your whole bullshit claim about "being obsessed with Rihanna" is literally built around one reference within a context of a high-profile domestic abuse case in a discussion of domestic abuse. Even in terms of your usual lazy-ass trolling, this is a new low.

Mead posted...

Hard to imagine someone being angrier at the abused for the way they react to being abused than the actual abuser.

Bad victim! Look what you did!

But it's easy to imagine being annoyed that somebody who repeatedly creates and/or stars in propaganda about preventing violence hypocritically failed to actually walk the walk the one time it mattered. More importantly, it's hard to imagine that somebody could ignore the fact that one partner physically attacked the other first. And, while *both* Brown & Rihanna were idiots to get back together, Rihanna clearly suffered the worse of that altercation. Which actually brings us to a *third* imagine, and that it's easy to imagine how you of all people would overlook my comments condemning Chris Brown for going overboard and ignore the context of my complaints against Rihanna.
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Days late Zeus.
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