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creativerealms 06/25/18 12:00:04 PM #51:	John_Galt posted... clearaflagrantj posted... modest increase in taxes Highest sales tax in the entire country "Modest" Good on the Koch brothers. Find alternative ways to get these projects done without fleecing your citizens Only the Koch brothers are allowed to fleece the sheeple. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:903929582] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>modest increase in taxes</quote> Highest sales tax in the entire country "Modest" Good on the Koch brothers. Find alternative ways to get these projects done without fleecing your citizens</quote> Only the Koch brothers are allowed to fleece the sheeple.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/25/18 12:00:12 PM #52:	The democratic socialists of America were also against that project --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:903929591] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 12:03:06 PM #53:	Balrog0 posted... The democratic socialists of America were also against that project hold on, what? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903929717] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> hold on, what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 06/25/18 12:03:27 PM #54:	good transit should be privatized imo --- https://imgtc.com/i/C6jP02v.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UAGNJFv.gif https://imgtc.com/i/cBTnWgf.png https://imgtc.com/i/wdjM3F8.png <cite>FL81 posted [p:903929739] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>good transit should be privatized imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 12:05:19 PM #55:	FL81 posted... transit should be privatized imo Lets start with Amtrak. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903929826] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>FL81 posted...</cite> <quote>transit should be privatized imo</quote> Lets start with Amtrak.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/25/18 12:05:23 PM #56:	Balrog0 posted... The democratic socialists of America were also against that project damn, there must've been something horribly wrong with it if even the commies were against it --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:903929828] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> damn, there must've been something horribly wrong with it if even the commies were against it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
John_Galt 06/25/18 12:05:47 PM #57:	Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... The democratic socialists of America were also against that project hold on, what? They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf --- Who is John Galt? <cite>John_Galt posted [p:903929841] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> hold on, what?</quote> They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/25/18 12:05:55 PM #58:	Questionmarktarius posted... FL81 posted... transit should be privatized imo Lets start with Amtrak. What if there's no profit in running Amtrak? It would cease to exist, and we'd lose something that despite being imperfect is still a good thing for America. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:903929848] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FL81 posted...</cite> <quote>transit should be privatized imo</quote> Lets start with Amtrak.</quote> What if there's no profit in running Amtrak? It would cease to exist, and we'd lose something that despite being imperfect is still a good thing for America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/25/18 12:06:28 PM #59:	John_Galt posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... The democratic socialists of America were also against that project hold on, what? They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf Source? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:903929881] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> hold on, what?</quote> They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf</quote> Source?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
John_Galt 06/25/18 12:07:05 PM #60:	FLUFFYGERM posted... John_Galt posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... The democratic socialists of America were also against that project hold on, what? They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf Source? https://m.facebook.com/MiddleTNDSA/posts/2056003118011386 --- Who is John Galt? <cite>John_Galt posted [p:903929924] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> hold on, what?</quote> They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf</quote> Source?</quote> https://m.facebook.com/MiddleTNDSA/posts/2056003118011386</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/25/18 12:09:47 PM #61:	John_Galt posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... John_Galt posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... The democratic socialists of America were also against that project hold on, what? They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf Source? https://m.facebook.com/MiddleTNDSA/posts/2056003118011386 I can't decide if what they're saying is fair or if they're delusional. On the one hand, I understand the need for affordable housing, more bus routes, more jobs. But on the other hand, I also understand that affordable housing isn't something that you can just snap your fingers and get. Someone needs to build that shit. How can they demand well-paying construction jobs and then also demand affordable housing? If the state is using tax dollars to pay construction workers a good wage, then the cost of the house they produce will necessarily have to be at least the cost of the labor+materials. Which could still be expensive. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:903930076] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> hold on, what?</quote> They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf</quote> Source?</quote> https://m.facebook.com/MiddleTNDSA/posts/2056003118011386</quote> I can't decide if what they're saying is fair or if they're delusional. On the one hand, I understand the need for affordable housing, more bus routes, more jobs. But on the other hand, I also understand that affordable housing isn't something that you can just snap your fingers and get. Someone needs to build that shit. How can they demand well-paying construction jobs and then also demand affordable housing? If the state is using tax dollars to pay construction workers a good wage, then the cost of the house they produce will necessarily have to be at least the cost of the labor+materials. Which could still be expensive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 12:11:36 PM #62:	John_Galt posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... John_Galt posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... The democratic socialists of America were also against that project hold on, what? They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf Source? https://m.facebook.com/MiddleTNDSA/posts/2056003118011386 And this is why these things end up costing five billion dollars. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903930165] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> hold on, what?</quote> They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf</quote> Source?</quote> https://m.facebook.com/MiddleTNDSA/posts/2056003118011386</quote> And this is why these things end up costing five billion dollars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/25/18 12:13:37 PM #63:	Questionmarktarius posted... John_Galt posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... John_Galt posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Balrog0 posted... The democratic socialists of America were also against that project hold on, what? They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf Source? https://m.facebook.com/MiddleTNDSA/posts/2056003118011386 And this is why these things end up costing five billion dollars. Yeah, it's a shame that they refuse to rally behind investment into infrastructure unless it's implemented as a wealth redistribution measure that benefits solely the poorest of the poor. Imagine being so against pragmatism that you bite the hand that feeds and force everyone to be worse off. Basically demonstrating why communism could never work. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:903930268] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>The democratic socialists of America were also against that project</quote> hold on, what?</quote> They want a transit plan that includes 31,000 new houses Lol wtf</quote> Source?</quote> https://m.facebook.com/MiddleTNDSA/posts/2056003118011386</quote> And this is why these things end up costing five billion dollars.</quote> Yeah, it's a shame that they refuse to rally behind investment into infrastructure unless it's implemented as a wealth redistribution measure that benefits solely the poorest of the poor. Imagine being so against pragmatism that you bite the hand that feeds and force everyone to be worse off. Basically demonstrating why communism could never work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 06/25/18 12:16:44 PM #64:	John_Galt posted... clearaflagrantj posted... modest increase in taxes Highest sales tax in the entire country "Modest" Good on the Koch brothers. Find alternative ways to get these projects done without fleecing your citizens It was a 0.5% increase to sales tax that increased to 1.0% in 5 years. Which would have been about $75-$150 annually. The average taxpayer would have saved more than that in reduced fuel costs from traffic. <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:903930419] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>modest increase in taxes</quote> Highest sales tax in the entire country "Modest" Good on the Koch brothers. Find alternative ways to get these projects done without fleecing your citizens</quote> It was a 0.5% increase to sales tax that increased to 1.0% in 5 years. Which would have been about $75-$150 annually. The average taxpayer would have saved more than that in reduced fuel costs from traffic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaWarrior455 06/25/18 12:17:36 PM #65:	LightHawKnight posted... So our trains will never be as good as Japan's? Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. --- Super Bowl 52 Champions!!!! http://myanimelist.net/animelist/NinjaWarrior457 <cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted [p:903930477] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So our trains will never be as good as Japan's?</quote> Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/25/18 12:17:52 PM #66:	clearaflagrantj posted... John_Galt posted... clearaflagrantj posted... modest increase in taxes Highest sales tax in the entire country "Modest" Good on the Koch brothers. Find alternative ways to get these projects done without fleecing your citizens It was a 0.5% increase to sales tax that increased to 1.0% in 5 years. Which would have been about $75-$150 annually. The average taxpayer would have saved more than that in reduced fuel costs from traffic. And this is exactly why we need to treat these projects as investments into our society. It's one of the best investments we can make, actually, because it immediately increases the efficiency with which products and services and people make their way around town...and it also provides employment opportunities with the state. All around a good thing, for very little cost to the individual taxpayer. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:903930499] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>modest increase in taxes</quote> Highest sales tax in the entire country "Modest" Good on the Koch brothers. Find alternative ways to get these projects done without fleecing your citizens</quote> It was a 0.5% increase to sales tax that increased to 1.0% in 5 years. Which would have been about $75-$150 annually. The average taxpayer would have saved more than that in reduced fuel costs from traffic.</quote> And this is exactly why we need to treat these projects as investments into our society. It's one of the best investments we can make, actually, because it immediately increases the efficiency with which products and services and people make their way around town...and it also provides employment opportunities with the state. All around a good thing, for very little cost to the individual taxpayer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 12:18:06 PM #67:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... LightHawKnight posted... So our trains will never be as good as Japan's? Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. Increase the gas tax. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903930511] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So our trains will never be as good as Japan's?</quote> Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote> Increase the gas tax.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/25/18 12:19:42 PM #68:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Go look at the legendary googlebus: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/technology/10google.html This proves my point, I think. That shuttle is reserved for the workers because it's the avenue that most benefits Google's bottom line. You wouldn't see Google expand that to random cities/people, would you? Because they wouldn't make any money off of it. relevant: https://marketurbanism.com/2017/11/21/curb-rights-at-20-a-summary-and-review/ --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:903930616] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Go look at the legendary googlebus: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/10/technology/10google.html</quote> This proves my point, I think. That shuttle is reserved for the workers because it's the avenue that most benefits Google's bottom line. You wouldn't see Google expand that to random cities/people, would you? Because they wouldn't make any money off of it.</quote> relevant: https://marketurbanism.com/2017/11/21/curb-rights-at-20-a-summary-and-review/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 06/25/18 12:20:35 PM #69:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... LightHawKnight posted... So our trains will never be as good as Japan's? Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. I don't need the entire nation to be covered by trains, all I need are the current ones to be as fast as Japan's. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:903930661] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So our trains will never be as good as Japan's?</quote> Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote> I don't need the entire nation to be covered by trains, all I need are the current ones to be as fast as Japan's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 06/25/18 12:20:37 PM #70:	@Kineth posted... Tropicalwood posted... Kineth posted... Tropicalwood posted... Kineth posted... John_Galt posted... spudger posted... a colossal waste of taxpayers money Correct I doubt you have any clue on how to spend tax dollars. California has some if not the highest taxes in the States, do you know why that is. Are you seriously trying to defend John_Galt? I figured I'd ask since we're asking irrelevant questions. Doesn't matter what you think of the man, it's a waste of tax payer money that ultimately falls onto citizens that don't in any way benefit from it. So what was the point of asking about California? Your mind was already made up and you were just looking to defend your homeboy. Also you apparently don't understand how taxes work either. Yeah you clearly don't understand how California acquired the highest sales and income tax in the country if you think wasting money on all sorts of crap that doesn't really benefit citizens isn't going to require a raise in taxes to pay for all of it. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:903930664] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>a colossal waste of taxpayers money</quote> Correct</quote> I doubt you have any clue on how to spend tax dollars.</quote> California has some if not the highest taxes in the States, do you know why that is.</quote> Are you seriously trying to defend John_Galt? I figured I'd ask since we're asking irrelevant questions.</quote> Doesn't matter what you think of the man, it's a waste of tax payer money that ultimately falls onto citizens that don't in any way benefit from it.</quote> So what was the point of asking about California? Your mind was already made up and you were just looking to defend your homeboy. Also you apparently don't understand how taxes work either.</quote> Yeah you clearly don't understand how California acquired the highest sales and income tax in the country if you think wasting money on all sorts of crap that doesn't really benefit citizens isn't going to require a raise in taxes to pay for all of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/25/18 12:21:18 PM #71:	Questionmarktarius posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... LightHawKnight posted... So our trains will never be as good as Japan's? Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. Increase the gas tax. The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:903930698] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So our trains will never be as good as Japan's?</quote> Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote> Increase the gas tax.</quote> The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
John_Galt 06/25/18 12:21:46 PM #72:	clearaflagrantj posted... John_Galt posted... clearaflagrantj posted... modest increase in taxes Highest sales tax in the entire country "Modest" Good on the Koch brothers. Find alternative ways to get these projects done without fleecing your citizens It was a 0.5% increase to sales tax that increased to 1.0% in 5 years. Which would have been about $75-$150 annually. The average taxpayer would have saved more than that in reduced fuel costs from traffic. I can never tell with liberals In one topic they'll tell me how regressive a sales tax is and how poor people bear the brunt of it Now in another topic they are saying it should be raised to build 5 billion dollar transit projects --- Who is John Galt? <cite>John_Galt posted [p:903930720] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>clearaflagrantj posted...</cite> <quote>modest increase in taxes</quote> Highest sales tax in the entire country "Modest" Good on the Koch brothers. Find alternative ways to get these projects done without fleecing your citizens</quote> It was a 0.5% increase to sales tax that increased to 1.0% in 5 years. Which would have been about $75-$150 annually. The average taxpayer would have saved more than that in reduced fuel costs from traffic.</quote> I can never tell with liberals In one topic they'll tell me how regressive a sales tax is and how poor people bear the brunt of it Now in another topic they are saying it should be raised to build 5 billion dollar transit projects</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
John_Galt 06/25/18 12:22:09 PM #73:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Questionmarktarius posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... LightHawKnight posted... So our trains will never be as good as Japan's? Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. Increase the gas tax. The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up. Mileage tax --- Who is John Galt? <cite>John_Galt posted [p:903930740] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So our trains will never be as good as Japan's?</quote> Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote> Increase the gas tax.</quote> The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up.</quote> Mileage tax</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 06/25/18 12:23:26 PM #74:	John_Galt posted... I can never tell with liberals In one topic they'll tell me how regressive a sales tax is and how poor people bear the brunt of it Now in another topic they are saying it should be raised to build 5 billion dollar transit projects I'm not a liberal, I'm just not a stupid troll like you which is why you don't understand. <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:903930812] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote>I can never tell with liberals In one topic they'll tell me how regressive a sales tax is and how poor people bear the brunt of it Now in another topic they are saying it should be raised to build 5 billion dollar transit projects</quote> I'm not a liberal, I'm just not a stupid troll like you which is why you don't understand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 12:24:38 PM #75:	John_Galt posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Questionmarktarius posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... LightHawKnight posted... So our trains will never be as good as Japan's? Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. Increase the gas tax. The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up. Mileage tax Tire tax, or you know, stop subsiding electric cars. Alternately, increase the registration fees, possibly even based on mileage. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903930871] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So our trains will never be as good as Japan's?</quote> Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote> Increase the gas tax.</quote> The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up.</quote> Mileage tax</quote> Tire tax, or you know, stop subsiding electric cars. Alternately, increase the registration fees, possibly even based on mileage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jiek_Fafn 06/25/18 12:25:37 PM #76:	Cleveland oddly has a really awesome public transportation system. You can get anywhere in the city proper in a reasonable amount of time and getting to downtown has multiple bus/train options. Busses are generally clean and trains are well patrolled by the transit police. I love it. Because of that, those that choose to drive don't have to sit in gridlock. Even during peak time traffic never actually stops. It's pretty great in that regard. I've been to other cities where this was not the case. Things never ran on time and were dirty. I think a lot of people's preconceptions with it are built on bad experiences. It can actually be nice. --- PSN: Jiek FFRK: Tyro God Wall KZcv <cite>Jiek_Fafn posted [p:903930922] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>Cleveland oddly has a really awesome public transportation system. You can get anywhere in the city proper in a reasonable amount of time and getting to downtown has multiple bus/train options. Busses are generally clean and trains are well patrolled by the transit police. I love it. Because of that, those that choose to drive don't have to sit in gridlock. Even during peak time traffic never actually stops. It's pretty great in that regard. I've been to other cities where this was not the case. Things never ran on time and were dirty. I think a lot of people's preconceptions with it are built on bad experiences. It can actually be nice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 06/25/18 12:29:47 PM #77:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Questionmarktarius posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... LightHawKnight posted... So our trains will never be as good as Japan's? Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. Increase the gas tax. The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up. Sun tax, a nice steep increase in tax on electricity. You and I both know the Government will always find a way to tax the living hell out of you. --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:903931131] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So our trains will never be as good as Japan's?</quote> Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote> Increase the gas tax.</quote> The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up.</quote> Sun tax, a nice steep increase in tax on electricity. You and I both know the Government will always find a way to tax the living hell out of you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 06/25/18 12:39:33 PM #78:	John_Galt posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Questionmarktarius posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... LightHawKnight posted... So our trains will never be as good as Japan's? Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. Increase the gas tax. The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up. Mileage tax Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:903931681] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>So our trains will never be as good as Japan's?</quote> Nope. America is just simply too massive to reasonably cover the entire nation with trains, plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote> Increase the gas tax.</quote> The problem here is that you are getting the funding from what will soon be a deprecated form of revenue. What will we do once electric vehicles and solar panels are everywhere? The gas tax revenue will dry up.</quote> Mileage tax</quote> Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 12:43:04 PM #79:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. ...which a gas tax already does anyway. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903931865] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living.</quote> ...which a gas tax already does anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 06/25/18 12:48:20 PM #80:	Questionmarktarius posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. ...which a gas tax already does anyway. plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move <cite>treewojima posted [p:903932174] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living.</quote> ...which a gas tax already does anyway.</quote> plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 12:56:35 PM #81:	treewojima posted... Questionmarktarius posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. ...which a gas tax already does anyway. plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move Worrying about "what about?" is how bloat and loopholes happen. If you want to be "equitable" about a mileage tax, add gross vehicle weight and number of wheels into the formula. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903932649] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living.</quote> ...which a gas tax already does anyway.</quote> plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move</quote> Worrying about "what about?" is how bloat and loopholes happen. If you want to be "equitable" about a mileage tax, add gross vehicle weight and number of wheels into the formula.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/25/18 12:57:37 PM #82:	Questionmarktarius posted... treewojima posted... Questionmarktarius posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. ...which a gas tax already does anyway. plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move Worrying about "what about?" is how bloat and loopholes happen. If you want to be "equitable" about a mileage tax, add gross vehicle weight and number of wheels into the formula. I like it --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:903932703] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living.</quote> ...which a gas tax already does anyway.</quote> plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move</quote> Worrying about "what about?" is how bloat and loopholes happen. If you want to be "equitable" about a mileage tax, add gross vehicle weight and number of wheels into the formula.</quote> I like it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
deupd_u 06/25/18 12:58:48 PM #83:	Don't blame me; I voted for Heckler. --- Snipers don't shoot at paper, they shoot watermelons. https://imgur.com/jo511lG <cite>deupd_u posted [p:903932771] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>Don't blame me; I voted for Heckler.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XImperialDragon 06/25/18 1:10:25 PM #84:	Questionmarktarius posted... XImperialDragon posted... Some areas just can't have that many cars driving or traffic congestion would reach quintupling your commute, if not more. The greater part of this problem is everyone trying to get into or out of town all at the same time. Gridlock at 8AM, tumbleweeds at 10. Repeat again at 5PM. Well, yeah, but it's not like we have a choice in that matter- if you have to work at 9AM, you're going to be on the road at 8AM. If (most) every employer wants business to start between 7 and 10AM, then everyone is going to be on the roads from 6:30 to 9:30 for 3 hours of impressive congestion and accidents (I swear to God accidents happens on I-376W every fucking day). That's just how it is- the commuters don't exactly set the time table for this, the reasons for the commute (employers) do. I suppose we could also just leave our residences 1-2 hours early and just wait around until it's time for work to start, but at that point, I'd rather just do the forty minute trip on the train instead of playing my Switch or something in my car in a parking lot until it's time to go to work. Meh. I thought we were supposed to have teleportation modules and jetpacks and shit come the 2000s- the fuck ever happened to that. Edit: I do remember the water jetpacks, and apparently there's this dude running around calling himself Iron Man now. So that's pretty neat. --- Sony bought Konami and will release a DDR game for the Nintendo 3DS. In this game, you set your 3DS on the floor and stomp on it till it no longer functions. <cite>XImperialDragon posted [p:903933456] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>XImperialDragon posted...</cite> <quote>Some areas just can't have that many cars driving or traffic congestion would reach quintupling your commute, if not more.</quote> The greater part of this problem is everyone trying to get into or out of town all at the same time. Gridlock at 8AM, tumbleweeds at 10. Repeat again at 5PM.</quote> Well, yeah, but it's not like we have a choice in that matter- if you have to work at 9AM, you're going to be on the road at 8AM. If (most) every employer wants business to start between 7 and 10AM, then everyone is going to be on the roads from 6:30 to 9:30 for 3 hours of impressive congestion and accidents (I swear to God accidents happens on I-376W every fucking day). That's just how it is- the commuters don't exactly set the time table for this, the reasons for the commute (employers) do. I suppose we could also just leave our residences 1-2 hours early and just wait around until it's time for work to start, but at that point, I'd rather just do the forty minute trip on the train instead of playing my Switch or something in my car in a parking lot until it's time to go to work. Meh. I thought we were supposed to have teleportation modules and jetpacks and shit come the 2000s- the fuck ever happened to that. Edit: I do remember the water jetpacks, and apparently there's this dude running around calling himself Iron Man now. So that's pretty neat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 06/25/18 1:14:07 PM #85:	Balrog0 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... treewojima posted... Questionmarktarius posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. ...which a gas tax already does anyway. plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move Worrying about "what about?" is how bloat and loopholes happen. If you want to be "equitable" about a mileage tax, add gross vehicle weight and number of wheels into the formula. I like it it would certainly help offset the wear and tear on public roads caused by larger vehicles <cite>treewojima posted [p:903933665] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. </quote> ...which a gas tax already does anyway. </quote> plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move </quote> Worrying about "what about?" is how bloat and loopholes happen. If you want to be "equitable" about a mileage tax, add gross vehicle weight and number of wheels into the formula.</quote> I like it</quote> it would certainly help offset the wear and tear on public roads caused by larger vehicles</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 1:22:34 PM #86:	treewojima posted... Balrog0 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... treewojima posted... Questionmarktarius posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. ...which a gas tax already does anyway. plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move Worrying about "what about?" is how bloat and loopholes happen. If you want to be "equitable" about a mileage tax, add gross vehicle weight and number of wheels into the formula. I like it it would certainly help offset the wear and tear on public roads caused by larger vehicles May even resurrect the Reliant Robin. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903934167] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>treewojima posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> Then you overly penalize people who have to drive a lot for a living. </quote> ...which a gas tax already does anyway. </quote> plus there are plenty of ways for the market to adjust to a fuel tax - distances never change. the only way to get around a mileage tax would be to move </quote> Worrying about "what about?" is how bloat and loopholes happen. If you want to be "equitable" about a mileage tax, add gross vehicle weight and number of wheels into the formula.</quote> I like it</quote> it would certainly help offset the wear and tear on public roads caused by larger vehicles</quote> May even resurrect the Reliant Robin.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 06/25/18 1:33:34 PM #87:	The problem is that Tennessee doesn't have an income tax, so they have to get their tax revenue from somewhere else, like a sales tax. And people don't like paying taxes. Why can't they use the current tax revenue to build do this project? It would probably take longer, but it would still get done. --- Shenmue II = best game of all time Shenmue = 2nd best game of all time <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:903934820] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>The problem is that Tennessee doesn't have an income tax, so they have to get their tax revenue from somewhere else, like a sales tax. And people don't like paying taxes. Why can't they use the current tax revenue to build do this project? It would probably take longer, but it would still get done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/25/18 1:33:44 PM #88:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads. There's also the fact that Big Rigs / Over Weight Trucks that are over the legal Federal weight limits for Multi-Axle Trucks are damaging roads at an exponential rate. And Governors of certain states allow that to happen because they get kick backs / bribes from those shipping companies which passes the damage onto the citizenry for a little bit cheaper shipping cost. It's complete and utter corruption / cronyism at it's finest! We the tax payer pay the burden for a minor decrease in product shipping costs while paying more for road repairs. Then they complain about the road damage and how we have no money for it. https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2017/06/22/murphys-law-how-trucks-destroy-our-roads/ https://www.justia.com/injury/motor-vehicle-accidents/truck-accidents/overweight-overloaded-improperly-loaded-trucks/ https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/sw/permit_report/index.htm The solution is to ENFORCE the Federal limit. Swap all "Dual Tires" to single Fat Double Wide Tires that increases Contact Patch surface area and reduces rolling mass of the wheels / tires. Maybe certify add-on treads like the ones from Right Track Systems https://www.youtube.com/user/righttracksystems/videos That are add-on units that allows Trucks to cross over virtually any terrain, even on the Highway, and acts as a extra layer for Tire Protection for Trucks at the expense of road noise. But it would spread out the weight to much larger surface area dramatically and lower Road Damage significantly. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:903934829] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote> plus we already lack the proper funding to fix our roads.</quote>There's also the fact that Big Rigs / Over Weight Trucks that are over the legal Federal weight limits for Multi-Axle Trucks are damaging roads at an exponential rate. And Governors of certain states allow that to happen because they get kick backs / bribes from those shipping companies which passes the damage onto the citizenry for a little bit cheaper shipping cost. It's complete and utter corruption / cronyism at it's finest! We the tax payer pay the burden for a minor decrease in product shipping costs while paying more for road repairs. Then they complain about the road damage and how we have no money for it. https://urbanmilwaukee.com/2017/06/22/murphys-law-how-trucks-destroy-our-roads/ https://www.justia.com/injury/motor-vehicle-accidents/truck-accidents/overweight-overloaded-improperly-loaded-trucks/ https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/sw/permit_report/index.htm The solution is to ENFORCE the Federal limit. Swap all "Dual Tires" to single Fat Double Wide Tires that increases Contact Patch surface area and reduces rolling mass of the wheels / tires. Maybe certify add-on treads like the ones from Right Track Systems https://www.youtube.com/user/righttracksystems/videos That are add-on units that allows Trucks to cross over virtually any terrain, even on the Highway, and acts as a extra layer for Tire Protection for Trucks at the expense of road noise. But it would spread out the weight to much larger surface area dramatically and lower Road Damage significantly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 1:35:14 PM #89:	Damn_Underscore posted... The problem is that Tennessee doesn't have an income tax, so they have to get their tax revenue from somewhere else, like a sales tax. And people don't like paying taxes. Why should the entire state be expected to pay for Nashville's transit system anyway? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903934924] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Damn_Underscore posted...</cite> <quote>The problem is that Tennessee doesn't have an income tax, so they have to get their tax revenue from somewhere else, like a sales tax. And people don't like paying taxes.</quote> Why should the entire state be expected to pay for Nashville's transit system anyway?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/25/18 1:35:28 PM #90:	I also like that post --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:903934936] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>I also like that post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 06/25/18 1:43:33 PM #91:	one of the first papers I wrote in grad school was about the relative costs of private trash collection vs public I couldn't find any evidence there was a difference in overall costs, either on the production side or the costs that get passed on to consumers but one big difference between services that were contracted out vs services that were done in-house is that private contractors were much MUCH more likely to invest in capital than in labor. and the opposite was true for public. on those terms, even though the costs are nominally the same, I would prefer private collection since a capital investment is more likely to result in better services than hiring more people IMO edit - lol wrong topic, I'm gonna leave it though --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:903935409] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>one of the first papers I wrote in grad school was about the relative costs of private trash collection vs public I couldn't find any evidence there was a difference in overall costs, either on the production side or the costs that get passed on to consumers but one big difference between services that were contracted out vs services that were done in-house is that private contractors were much MUCH more likely to invest in capital than in labor. and the opposite was true for public. on those terms, even though the costs are nominally the same, I would prefer private collection since a capital investment is more likely to result in better services than hiring more people IMO edit - lol wrong topic, I'm gonna leave it though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 1:54:08 PM #92:	Balrog0 posted... edit - lol wrong topic, I'm gonna leave it though Replace "trash collection" with "bus line" and the end result is pretty much the same. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903935995] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>edit - lol wrong topic, I'm gonna leave it though</quote> Replace "trash collection" with "bus line" and the end result is pretty much the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 06/25/18 1:58:50 PM #93:	My city switched from public to private collection and of course they went with the lowest bidders so they were fucking trash (pun intended) --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:903936233] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>My city switched from public to private collection and of course they went with the lowest bidders so they were fucking trash (pun intended)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 06/25/18 7:10:13 PM #94:	Tropicalwood posted... Kineth posted... John_Galt posted... spudger posted... a colossal waste of taxpayers money Correct I doubt you have any clue on how to spend tax dollars. California has some if not the highest taxes in the States, do you know why that is. i live here. and we would be better off with high speed public transport we would have if it wasn't for standard oil in the 30s and 40s and now the satanic Koch brothers who should be up for treason --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:903954555] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tropicalwood posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>John_Galt posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spudger posted...</cite> <quote>a colossal waste of taxpayers money</quote> Correct</quote> I doubt you have any clue on how to spend tax dollars.</quote> California has some if not the highest taxes in the States, do you know why that is.</quote> i live here. and we would be better off with high speed public transport we would have if it wasn't for standard oil in the 30s and 40s and now the satanic Koch brothers who should be up for treason</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 06/25/18 7:12:46 PM #95:	Imagine claiming to be a 21st century 1st world city with no modern public transit lmfao. --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:903954709] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>Imagine claiming to be a 21st century 1st world city with no modern public transit lmfao.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/25/18 7:13:57 PM #96:	Bio1590 posted... My city switched from public to private collection and of course they went with the lowest bidders so they were fucking trash (pun intended) Instead of having the "City" decide which Garbage Collector to hire, how about giving YOU, the resident citizen a CHOICE amongst whom to hire from. Novel Idea, having options!!! Competition to decide which service to buy from. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:903954788] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>My city switched from public to private collection and of course they went with the lowest bidders so they were fucking trash (pun intended)</quote>Instead of having the "City" decide which Garbage Collector to hire, how about giving YOU, the resident citizen a CHOICE amongst whom to hire from. Novel Idea, having options!!! Competition to decide which service to buy from.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 06/25/18 7:54:25 PM #97:	KamenRiderBlade posted... Bio1590 posted... My city switched from public to private collection and of course they went with the lowest bidders so they were fucking trash (pun intended) Instead of having the "City" decide which Garbage Collector to hire, how about giving YOU, the resident citizen a CHOICE amongst whom to hire from. Novel Idea, having options!!! Competition to decide which service to buy from. I mean the entire point of electing a city council is to have people that were democratically elected make that choice for you. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:903956963] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>My city switched from public to private collection and of course they went with the lowest bidders so they were fucking trash (pun intended)</quote>Instead of having the "City" decide which Garbage Collector to hire, how about giving YOU, the resident citizen a CHOICE amongst whom to hire from. Novel Idea, having options!!! Competition to decide which service to buy from.</quote> I mean the entire point of electing a city council is to have people that were democratically elected make that choice for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 06/25/18 8:09:01 PM #98:	Bio1590 posted... I mean the entire point of electing a city council is to have people that were democratically elected make that choice for you. The city council staff should only exist to validate that the Vendors are doing their job ethically & consistently along with charging a fair price towards the residents. The residents should get to choose against a list of vendors with different benefits / price tiers. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:903957737] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean the entire point of electing a city council is to have people that were democratically elected make that choice for you.</quote>The city council staff should only exist to validate that the Vendors are doing their job ethically & consistently along with charging a fair price towards the residents. The residents should get to choose against a list of vendors with different benefits / price tiers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 06/25/18 8:27:43 PM #99:	Considering that if you put any major infrastructure project up to vote it would fail 100 times out of 100 times, there's no way you'd end up with anything other than "What's the cheapest option?" even letting "the people" decide. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:903958870] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote>Considering that if you put any major infrastructure project up to vote it would fail 100 times out of 100 times, there's no way you'd end up with anything other than "What's the cheapest option?" even letting "the people" decide.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/25/18 8:47:13 PM #100:	Bio1590 posted... My city switched from public to private collection and of course they went with the lowest bidders so they were fucking trash (pun intended) Unless you're paying the bill directly, it's still "public" - just contracted. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:903960102] in How the Ko... [t:76747516]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>My city switched from public to private collection and of course they went with the lowest bidders so they were fucking trash (pun intended)</quote> Unless you're paying the bill directly, it's still "public" - just contracted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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