Current Events > This year's EVO could be the final year for Smash Bros. Melee.

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://twitter.com/MrWiz/status/1006594331308724224?s=19

In fact, it sounds like both Melee and Smash 4 will be removed, and replaced with just Ultimate going forward.

I would welcome this, and I'm sure that the other FGC fans who complained about Smash getting two games for a few years now would be happy with this as well.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

In fact, it sounds like both Melee and Smash 4 will be removed, and replaced with just Ultimate going forward.

Yesyesyesyesyesyes
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Sounds good to me.
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In a perfect world all smash games would be relegated to the sideshows

Good! Fuck the Melee community
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The FGC does not officially recognize smash as it is not a fighting game

Smash is a fighting game like musical chairs is a sport.
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Well Smash 4 being replaced with Ultimate is pretty obvious.

And remember, this is about the main stage, not at EVO at all. There's a whole bunch of tourneys at EVO that don't make the main stage. Melee will never truly die as long as the stink-warriors are there to support it. :-P

That said, the main stage is usually the "prestige" spot.
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soulunison2 posted...

The FGC does not officially recognize smash as it is not a fighting game

What is it then?
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Some of the butthurt on the Smash subreddits about this is hilarious:
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/8qlmjh/mrwiz_this_could_possibly_be_melees_last_year_at/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SSBM/comments/8qlm7h/potentially_melees_last_year_at_evo/
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

soulunison2 posted...

The FGC does not officially recognize smash as it is not a fighting game

What is it then?

Casual party platformer

Reminders why the Melee community is the worst community:

Smash players smell like literal shit
https://i.redd.it/678vhsjck4j01.jpg

Melee player refuses to partake in a tournament because his controller isn't broken in a specific way that lets him do impossible inputs
https://compete.kotaku.com/smash-god-drops-out-of-tournament-because-his-controlle-1794769487

Melee commentators trying to literally unionize
https://www.dbltap.com/posts/5086256-report-smash-commentators-forming-a-union
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NeonOctopus posted...

Reminders why the Melee community is the worst community:

Smash players smell like literal shit
https://i.redd.it/678vhsjck4j01.jpg

Melee player refuses to partake in a tournament because his controller isn't broken in a specific way that lets him do impossible inputs
https://compete.kotaku.com/smash-god-drops-out-of-tournament-because-his-controlle-1794769487

Melee commentators trying to literally unionize
https://www.dbltap.com/posts/5086256-report-smash-commentators-forming-a-union

Smash player base = joke confirmed

it won't happen lol

Melee's playerbase won't jump to Ultimate and that's a lot of money McRibs would be giving up even if the Ultimate playerbase will be big

Ultimate over Smash 4 is super obvious to anybody familiar with the scene. GENESIS 6 dropped Smash 4 upon announcement of Ultimate.
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NeonOctopus posted...

Melee player refuses to partake in a tournament because his controller isn't broken in a specific way that lets him do impossible inputs
https://compete.kotaku.com/smash-god-drops-out-of-tournament-because-his-controlle-1794769487

Don't blame Armada for that; blame the community collectively not deciding on Smash Boxes as the obvious replacement to GCNs. Armada has no reason to compete with an improperly configured controller because it places him at a disadvantage to his competitors.

There's still a community problem here involving Melee, but it isn't one specific to this player since he's doing what anybody in his position would do.

soulunison2 posted...

Smash player base = joke confirmed

melee is not the collective smash player base
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Imagine going to a baseball game and quitting cuz your bat isn't rigged to let you hit the ball farther than a normal bat.

That's why the community is trash >_> Why do tournaments allow this?
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NeonOctopus posted...

Imagine going to a baseball game and quitting cuz your bat isn't rigged to let you hit the ball farther than a normal bat.

Imagine.

Mayweather has done shit like this in the past.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Melee player refuses to partake in a tournament because his controller isn't broken in a specific way that lets him do impossible inputs
https://compete.kotaku.com/smash-god-drops-out-of-tournament-because-his-controlle-1794769487

Don't blame Armada for that; blame the community collectively not deciding on Smash Boxes as the obvious replacement to GCNs. Armada has no reason to compete with an improperly configured controller because it places him at a disadvantage to his competitors.

There's still a community problem here involving Melee, but it isn't one specific to this player since he's doing what anybody in his position would do.

soulunison2 posted...

Smash player base = joke confirmed

melee is not the collective smash player base

Imagine quitting because your boxing glove doesnt have brass knuckles in it lmaooo

NeonOctopus posted...

Imagine going to a baseball game and quitting cuz your bat isn't rigged to let you hit the ball farther than a normal bat.

Imagine.

baseball is not videogames

The point is that certain controllers give you better movement, and the game is largely based on the efficiency of that movement. People modded controllers for that movement until it became the standard, meaning the at-the-time #1 had no reason to compete unless he had the adequate equipment. He would objectively be at a disadvantage.

That's a community problem they've tried to fix with Universal Controller Fix (a mod that prevents things like this by making controllers not random) but they can't use it at Nintendo-sponsored events to due legality issues, meaning the best option is to collectively agree to move to boxes - something they have yet to do.
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soulunison2 posted...

Imagine quitting because your boxing glove doesnt have brass knuckles in it lmaooo

Except in this analogy everybody has brass knuckles (except the guy who didn't get his, who promptly did not compete in that one event)

It's not the one player doing this. It's everybody at the top level.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Imagine going to a baseball game and quitting cuz your bat isn't rigged to let you hit the ball farther than a normal bat.

Imagine.

baseball is not videogames

The point is that certain controllers give you better movement, and the game is largely based on the efficiency of that movement. People modded controllers for that movement until it became the standard, meaning the at-the-time #1 had no reason to compete unless he had the adequate equipment. He would objectively be at a disadvantage.

That's a community problem they've tried to fix with Universal Controller Fix (a mod that prevents things like this by making controllers not random) but they can't use it at Nintendo-sponsored events to due legality issues, meaning the best option is to collectively agree to move to boxes - something they have yet to do.

You are literally defending this

Holy shit

You are defending using modded controllers

Holy shit

Im crying

Smash = joke confirmed

soulunison2 posted...

You are literally defending this

Holy shit

You are defending using modded controllers

Holy shit

Im crying

Smash = joke confirmed

I'm not, actually. I think they should use Boxes for a large number of reasons and have refused to compete in Melee largely due to its archaic controller situation that forces mods to compete at a high level. (Also, GCN controllers literally destroying hands.) I'm saying the problem isn't Armada not competing, the problem is that it got to that point to start with.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

soulunison2 posted...

You are literally defending this

Holy shit

You are defending using modded controllers

Holy shit

Im crying

Smash = joke confirmed

I'm not, actually. I think they should use Boxes for a large number of reasons and have refused to compete in Melee largely due to its archaic controller situation that forces mods to compete at a high level. The problem isn't Armada not competing, the problem is that it got to that point to start with.

If your game needs a shitty controller or a mod to be competitive then Im pretty sure it wasnt intended to be anything other than a party platformer

Yeah, we get it, a number of people on CE are still incensed that both Melee and Smash 4 are gonna be in EVO this year. Yawn.
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masticatingman posted...

Yeah, we get it, a number of people on CE are still incensed that both Melee and Smash 4 are gonna be in EVO this year. Yawn.

Taking spots from actual fighting games that do not require broken controllers to be competitive

soulunison2 posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

NeonOctopus posted...

Imagine going to a baseball game and quitting cuz your bat isn't rigged to let you hit the ball farther than a normal bat.

Imagine.

baseball is not videogames

The point is that certain controllers give you better movement, and the game is largely based on the efficiency of that movement. People modded controllers for that movement until it became the standard, meaning the at-the-time #1 had no reason to compete unless he had the adequate equipment. He would objectively be at a disadvantage.

That's a community problem they've tried to fix with Universal Controller Fix (a mod that prevents things like this by making controllers not random) but they can't use it at Nintendo-sponsored events to due legality issues, meaning the best option is to collectively agree to move to boxes - something they have yet to do.

You are literally defending this

Holy shit

You are defending using modded controllers

Holy shit

Im crying

Smash = joke confirmed

Why shouldn't everyone use the best tool possible to get the job done right?

soulunison2 posted...

If your game needs a shitty controller or a mod to be competitive then Im pretty sure it wasnt intended to be anything other than a party platformer

We're far past the point of arguing as to whether or not Melee "should" be a competitive game. After nearly 2 decades of history, it is a competitive game with a well-established upper echelon and skill hierarchy.

The problem is that its tech is outdated and its movement-centered metagame has resulted in issues relating to its controls that would very easily be fixed by using alternative controllers.

I don't think the Melee community is innocent in this regard. It should have moved to Smash Boxes a while ago since that negates nearly every controller-related problem that's cropped up in the current Melee era. The problem is that those near-2 decades of existence have resulted in a stubbornness to actually change things.
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soulunison2 posted...

If your game needs a shitty controller or a mod to be competitive then Im pretty sure it wasnt intended to be anything other than a party platformer

eh

a lot of fighting games do not handle SOCD well and it's very advantageous to be able to do them. which means in theory that certain types of controllers (bad ones??) are inherently better to play with. I assume there's generally a ban/ruling put on by the organizers but if this was not the case it would soon become clear that if you wanted to play at the highest level you'd need a certain type of controller

I think it's just more difficult in smash's case since it's harder to police. two gamecube controllers with slightly different springyness on internals look identical while an arcade stick looks very different from a ps3 controller (or whatever)
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b u m p
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Using modded controllers is bad.

Also the fgc is bad, or at least getting worse

lol
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that guy says that shit a lot and doesn't like Melee. Ultimate will 100% chance replace Smash 4, but it will only replace Melee if big boys like Mango and the like leave. Melee still has its presence because people love watching Melee. Nobody wants to watch Sm4sh over Melee and they won't want to watch Sm4sh over Ultimate either.
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While I like Melee and Ultmate is looking real sweet, I'm in for at least 1 year of only 1 Smash Bros. at EVO, that being Ultimate.

Smash Melee and 4 could always be side events.
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Godnorgosh posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

soulunison2 posted...

You are literally defending this

Holy shit

You are defending using modded controllers

Holy shit

Im crying

Smash = joke confirmed

I'm not, actually. I think they should use Boxes for a large number of reasons and have refused to compete in Melee largely due to its archaic controller situation that forces mods to compete at a high level. The problem isn't Armada not competing, the problem is that it got to that point to start with.

If your game needs a shitty controller or a mod to be competitive then Im pretty sure it wasnt intended to be anything other than a party platformer

But how much does intention alone actually matter?

The "Sakurai didn't intend X" is more or less irrelevant to the actual outcome

He explicitly attempted to make Brawl noncompetitive but it retained a scene for 6 years anyway. Creator intent means nothing if the game has the tools to bypass that intent. This is something FGC elitists don't appear to grasp when they non-meme unironically parrot the "Party game" thing.
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Zero_Destroyer posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Zero_Destroyer posted...

soulunison2 posted...

You are literally defending this

Holy shit

You are defending using modded controllers

Holy shit

Im crying

Smash = joke confirmed

I'm not, actually. I think they should use Boxes for a large number of reasons and have refused to compete in Melee largely due to its archaic controller situation that forces mods to compete at a high level. The problem isn't Armada not competing, the problem is that it got to that point to start with.

If your game needs a shitty controller or a mod to be competitive then Im pretty sure it wasnt intended to be anything other than a party platformer

But how much does intention alone actually matter?

The "Sakurai didn't intend X" is more or less irrelevant to the actual outcome

He explicitly attempted to make Brawl noncompetitive but it retained a scene for 6 years anyway. Creator intent means nothing if the game has the tools to bypass that intent. This is something FGC elitists don't appear to grasp when they non-meme unironically parrot the "Party game" thing.

Fortunately Bamco seems to be putting him in his place. They are explicitly adding ATs and more competitive options.
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I'm assuming it's a combination of changing philosophy on his part after a decade, Bandai, and pressure from Nintendo seeing the success of Smash. They are explicitly touting Ultimate as competitive after the many implications Smash 4 set with its better balancing/pro-comp balance patching.

Ultimate looks great
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I don't really see the big deal. The Melee community could easily come up with another summer tournament that's as big as the other major Smash tournaments throughout the year.
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I like how melee players are all "they need us more than we need them"

Okay then go make your own fucking tournament.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I don't really see the big deal. The Melee community could easily come up with another summer tournament that's as big as the other major Smash tournaments throughout the year.

Yeah, if EVO is seriously going to only go with one Smash game going forward, Ultimate is the best bet of that. It's better for the FGC as well, since that extra space could be used for another fighting game.

Nothing's stopping Melee players from making a Melee-centric event in its place, even if it won't have the brand name recognition of EVO.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

I like how melee players are all "they need us more than we need them"

Okay then go make your own fucking tournament.

My favorite thing is how in those subreddits I posted, the top-voted comments are making the assumption that Smash 4 and Smash U will both be there. They're so used to having two Smash games at EVO (and at other FGC events) that they believe that Smash U is replacing Melee instead of Smash U taking both Melee's and Smash 4's place.
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PanzerElite posted...

Smash is a fighting game like musical chairs is a sport.

Hahaha, I love this.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

I like how melee players are all "they need us more than we need them"

Okay then go make your own fucking tournament.

i mean they do, to be fair

SSC is the same month and has an enormous attendance rate so Melee probably wouldn't be hit too hard if they were dropped from EVO
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BUMP
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