Current Events > Here we go again. Stars blame sexism on Ocean's 8 lukewarm reviews

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xBloodBrotherx posted...

(well remake, I've never seen the actual original)

Apparently it's kinda crap. It's a Rat Pack vehicle and they made stealing from casinos look like the easiest thing in the world.
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CookieMarvin posted...

KainFourteh posted...

CookieMarvin posted...

^^look, theres one now!!!

You're a cuck?

hey, thatd probably be better than resenting women because they wont have sex w you

You seem to be making up a lot of shit, though I shouldn't expect anything less from someone defending SJW labels, lol.

Honestly, it probably got more positive reviews than it should have simply because of the narrative.
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scar the 1 posted...

Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?

Meh maybe. If it's such a problem though people should try to get some women into critiquing instead of always using ''white men critics' as one of their fall-back excuses when a movie doesn't get good reviews.
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Esrac posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?

Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant.

Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews.

Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate. Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.
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stoltenberg11 posted...

If it's such a problem though people should try to get some women into critiquing instead of always using ''white men critics' as one of their fall-back excuses when a movie doesn't get good reviews.

Well yeah, we should do that.

The critic base becomes more diverse.

And y'all don't have to hear the "white male critics" angle that so annoys you.

Win win.
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Mindy recently accused all the men at a graduation ceremony of being possible sexual predators and then told the men not to listen to part of her speech because they will make more money in life over their female counterparts.

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CyricZ posted...

xBloodBrotherx posted...

(well remake, I've never seen the actual original)

Apparently it's kinda crap. It's a Rat Pack vehicle and they made stealing from casinos look like the easiest thing in the world.

Yeah, when I figured out it even existed that's basically all I expected it to be and never bothered to watch it.
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Meme movie for women living a life of memes.

No wonder it's terrible.
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Ive never seen not been interested in any Oceans film
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Its like people deliberately make terrible movies just to cry sexism.
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scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?

Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant.

Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews.

Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate.Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.

Because all white men think the same and all have the same experiences right?
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Hollywood:
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YourDrunkFather posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?

Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant.

Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews.

Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate.Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.

Because all white men think the same and all have the same experiences right?

I'm sorry, it was a clumsy wording from my side. Let's try and rephrase:
But when the critics are dominated by white men, several perspectives will be underrepresented/missing. Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.
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@scar_the_1
@CyricZ

How many white men should be allowed to be critics? At what lower percentage of white men does the body of critics become diverse?
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I never saw any marketing for this film and only once saw a poster in the theaters, how the hell can they expect a film to be a hit without there being previews shown and stronger marketing.

Ghostbusters 2016 had a lot of marketing and people knew about it, Oceans 8 is practically an unknown, no one even knows it was coming out.
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scar the 1 posted...

Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?

No because if that is your excuse then all movies with white male leads would always have positive ratings from white male reviewers. Which of course is not true.

Highwind07 posted...

I don't even know that it existed. Barely any advertisements for it anywhere and I usually am on.top of movies.

Bit it has been a long ass time since the original Oceans 11 that I didn't ask for this anyway.

And this. No marketing whatsoever of Ocean 8.
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HiddenLurker posted...

No because if that is your excuse then all movies with white male leads would always have positive ratings from white male reviewers. Which of course is not true.

No, because I'm not saying that while male reviewers will always prefer movies movies with white male leads. Generally, one could try and make a similar case, along the lines of "movies are made by men, rated by men, so they will perpetuate norms and structures". But I don't think it's necessary to even go that far. It's enough to acknowledge that a diverse set of critics would offer more perspectives than a set of critics dominated by one demographic.
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I liked it but that's because I'm a fan of the Oceans movies.

I understand why it's not doing so well though, gender swaps are extremely lazy in terms of innovation.
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any of them racist like that black girl from the ghostbusters remake that some liberals pretended should be ignored because i want to laugh today
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

@scar_the_1
@CyricZ

How many white men should be allowed to be critics? At what lower percentage of white men does the body of critics become diverse?

@scar_the_1
@CyricZ

how many white men should we allow to be employed in any given sector???
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NurseRedHeart posted...

I liked it but that's because I'm a fan of the Oceans movies.

I understand why it's not doing so well though, gender swaps are extremely lazy in terms of innovation.

I'm curious as someone who hasn't seen it: is it in your mind any way distinct from the previous movies other than the gender swap?
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YourDrunkFather posted...

Drop the victim complex and stop being so entitled. People don't have to love your movie just because you have vaginas.

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they should be blaming writers and directors for giving them a bad movie to star in.

if it was a legitimately funny movie that was interesting and well made, they'd get better reviews.
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lmao at CyricZ ignoring legitimate questions. When did he become such a weasel for casual racism against white people?
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Feminism before: "We want to be treated equally"

Feminism now: "Either you tell me that the sun shines out my ass or you're a sexist"
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I don't know why nobody ever asks them "what if the movie wasn't good?" How would they address that?
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Its true though, if it was all male it would have better reception

#metoo
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knuxnole posted...

Its true though, if it was all male it would have better reception

#metoo

Source?
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Hilary Clinton only lost because she has a vagina
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Ivynn posted...

I don't know why nobody ever asks them "what if the movie wasn't good?" How would they address that?

same way trump addresses things
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Ivynn posted...

I don't know why nobody ever asks them "what if the movie wasn't good?" How would they address that?

They technically did by asking them "How do you address the mixed reviews". It's a silly question to ask individual actors in a movie, but they do it anyway.
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scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?

Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant.

Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews.

Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate. Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.

That's bullshit, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.
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Esrac posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

scar the 1 posted...

Regardless of the reviews, it's quite a fair point that white men make up 80% of the critics, no?

Fair in the sense that it may be factually true. But not particularly relevant.

Unless you believe white men can't fairly review a movie that stars women, for some reason. But then you would have to explain away all the times those white men gave movies starring women positive reviews.

Of course white men can fairly review things. But when the critics are dominated by white men, one perspective will dominate. Especially in criticism, I think it's important that many perspectives are heard.

That's bullshit, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.

scar really went off the deep end in the last few years. He tries hard to just skirt around it but there is basically no position that is too far left or SJW for him.
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Esrac posted...

That's bullshit, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.

Okay, so let's look at the other end, the one you're pushing.

Here in a booth we have two white men.

Here in another booth we have a white man and, let's say for simplicity, a white woman.

Are you seriously going to tell me that the differences in perspectives between the two booths are negligible?
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Esrac posted...

That's bulls***, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.

Please see my revised phrasing. My point isn't about all white men having the same perspective, it's about the perspectives of other demographics that don't get heard.
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CyricZ posted...

Esrac posted...

That's bullshit, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.

Okay, so let's look at the other end, the one you're pushing.

Here in a booth we have two white men.

Here in another booth we have a white man and, let's say for simplicity, a white woman.

Are you seriously going to tell me that the differences in perspectives between the two booths are negligible?

Yes.
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CyricZ posted...

Are you seriously going to tell me that the differences in perspectives between the two booths are negligible?

There is no reason to assume two white men will have the same perspective as one another on account of their skin color or gender. That is fucking racist and sexist.
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lmao cyric literally thinks being a white male means you're part of a hivemind
didn't he claim to be a white male too
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

CyricZ posted...

Are you seriously going to tell me that the differences in perspectives between the two booths are negligible?

There is no reason to assume two white men will have the same perspective as one another on account of their skin color or gender. That is fucking racist and sexist.

This.

Leftists, as usual, are the ones that denote people down to their immutable charistics.
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scar the 1 posted...

Esrac posted...

That's bulls***, because all white men don't all have the same perspective. You're coming very close to pushing some kind of racial and gender monolithic essentialism.

Please see my revised phrasing. My point isn't about all white men having the same perspective, it's about the perspectives of other demographics that don't get heard.

When do you stop dividing people into various labels? Is Hollywood racist/sexist since they don't have enough Romanian critics? Or Buddhist critics? Or pansexual critics?
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KingKongKnows posted...

lmao cyric literally thinks being a white male means you're part of a hivemind
didn't he claim to be a white male too

he's gotta be a joke account. there is no way this amount of cognitive dissonance could manifest inside of a real person. dude is def a parody.
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if he is a white male then he proved his own claims wrong that all white males are alike
because he has a different opinion to some of the white males in this topic thus proving that hes wrong

SAD
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

knuxnole posted...

Its true though, if it was all male it would have better reception

#metoo

Source?

The world.
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knuxnole posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

knuxnole posted...

Its true though, if it was all male it would have better reception

#metoo

Source?

The world.

So basically you have no source and need to deflect to the delusions of a far left mentality in order to try to have an argument? LMAO
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Vyrulisse posted...

"Could it be because it wasn't very good?"

Because that would be committing career suicide.
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