Current Events > McDonald's: People order more from kiosks, giant rollout ahead

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voldothegr8 posted...

Not a fuck you to poor people, a fuck you to people who refuse to better themselves in a country where it's pretty easy for self betterment.

That's called sociopathy. Get some help. People who make bad choices don't deserve to suffer and starve and die over them.
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Southernfatman posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

Not a fuck you to poor people, a fuck you to people who refuse to better themselves in a country where it's pretty easy for self betterment.

That's called sociopathy. Get some help. People who make bad choices don't deserve to starve and die over them.

Who said they deserve to die? I for one hope they go better themselves using the "fuck you" as motivation.
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Yeah because people are born into circumstances out of their control.

A lot of inner city schools don't offer AP courses. Those students are already at a disadvantage.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

DevsBro posted...

Why do you think I didn't notice?

They're increasing prices because they're following the change in the equilibrium price. Charging seventeen cents more is exceeding equilibrium price and decreasing revenue.

And they're still raising prices. They're charging you more for a chicken sandwich today than they did in 2015 and it doesn't line up with the cost of production for that chicken. You're so worried about "if they raise wages they have to raise prices and that'll affect me!"....But they're already doing it to you.

I think you're a little confused here.

I'm not talking about any of those things, and I definitely do think minimum wage needs to increase.

It's just that "just charge more, then we can pay our employees more" is like nails on a chalkboard to anyone who has taken a 101 economics class.
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based McD
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

voldothegr8 posted...

they'd create a massive inflation problem.

No. Just no. The price of fast people would go up a few cents but that's not a massive inflation problem.

Here's the thing though. If no skill workers are all getting paid $15 an hour, then every skilled position under the sun will demand raises as well. Now we're back to square one because everything is inflated and the people making $15 an hour aren't in any better of a spot.
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Leftists: The environment that people live in is to blame for their bad decisions.

Also leftists: We refuse to acknowledge the perverse economic incentives that come from paying people to not work and/or to have kids that they cant afford.

Please pick a lane.
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Those McDonalds kiosk are awesome. I found out the other day that you can put fudge on an oreo McFlurry.
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AlephZero posted...

"contributing to society"

can be replaced by a robot

Robots don't pay taxes
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Because they use shit low cost IPS panels, i cant order when i am wearing my sunglasses (they tilt them sideways). I look really dumb staring 4 inches from the screen with my sunglasses off.

Naysaspace posted...

Because they use shit low cost IPS panels, i cant order when i am wearing my sunglasses (they tilt them sideways). I look really dumb staring 4 inches from the screen with my sunglasses off.

So stop wearing sunglasses indoors like an asshole.
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Naysaspace posted...

i cant order when i am wearing my sunglasses

OH NO NO NO NO
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Southernfatman posted...

What is wrong with some people? Why do you worry more for big corporations than your fellow common person?

I give precicesly zero fucks about corporations or my "fellow common person".

I give many many fucks to paying $10 for a fast food burger, which is the reality we will face if they have to pay people $15ph to make a fucking sandwich.

2018 and people still eat at McDonald's.. wtf man
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Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Southernfatman posted...

What is wrong with some people? Why do you worry more for big corporations than your fellow common person?

I give precicesly zero fucks about corporations or my "fellow common person".

I give many many fucks to paying $10 for a fast food burger, which is the reality we will face if they have to pay people $15ph to make a fucking sandwich.

How would less than doubling their pay, quadruple the product price?
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HylianFox posted...

2018 and people still eat at McDonald's.. wtf man

They brought the chicken selects back and improved them. Also all day breakfast. 2018 McDs is best version of McDs.
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one near me (uk) is getting this conversion right now
its not going to effect me as i dont eat there (or any fast food for that matter)
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Southernfatman posted...

What is wrong with some people? Why do you worry more for big corporations than your fellow common person?

I give precicesly zero fucks about corporations or my "fellow common person".

I give many many fucks to paying $10 for a fast food burger, which is the reality we will face if they have to pay people $15ph to make a fucking sandwich.

How would less than doubling their pay, quadruple the product price?

Wages are only about a quarter of their operating cost.
https://marketrealist.com/2014/07/must-know-mcdonalds-major-operation-costs

The better question is where TF are you getting a burger for $2.50?

AlephZero posted...

"contributing to society"

can be replaced by a robot

Yep, it's a good time to start being pro-UBI or anti-automation because machines are after nearly every job in existence, nothing is safe. We can't have nice things because of them.
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Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Southernfatman posted...

What is wrong with some people? Why do you worry more for big corporations than your fellow common person?

I give precicesly zero fucks about corporations or my "fellow common person".

I give many many fucks to paying $10 for a fast food burger, which is the reality we will face if they have to pay people $15ph to make a fucking sandwich.

How would less than doubling their pay, quadruple the product price?

Wages are only about a quarter of their operating cost.
https://marketrealist.com/2014/07/must-know-mcdonalds-major-operation-costs

The better question is where TF are you getting a burger for $2.50?

McDonalds.
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DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Southernfatman posted...

What is wrong with some people? Why do you worry more for big corporations than your fellow common person?

I give precicesly zero fucks about corporations or my "fellow common person".

I give many many fucks to paying $10 for a fast food burger, which is the reality we will face if they have to pay people $15ph to make a fucking sandwich.

How would less than doubling their pay, quadruple the product price?

Wages are only about a quarter of their operating cost.
https://marketrealist.com/2014/07/must-know-mcdonalds-major-operation-costs

The better question is where TF are you getting a burger for $2.50?

McDonalds.

A mcdouble sure, but I'm not talking about value menu items. Shouldn't need to be pointed out. The average price of a burger anywhere is about $5.

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Southernfatman posted...

What is wrong with some people? Why do you worry more for big corporations than your fellow common person?

I give precicesly zero fucks about corporations or my "fellow common person".

I give many many fucks to paying $10 for a fast food burger, which is the reality we will face if they have to pay people $15ph to make a fucking sandwich.

How would less than doubling their pay, quadruple the product price?

Wages are only about a quarter of their operating cost.
https://marketrealist.com/2014/07/must-know-mcdonalds-major-operation-costs

The better question is where TF are you getting a burger for $2.50?

McDonalds.

A mcdouble sure, but I'm not talking about value menu items. Shouldn't need to be pointed out. The average price of a burger anywhere is about $5.

You asked the question and I answered. This topic is about McDonalds.
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Thank God I'm not afraid to talk to people.
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Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Southernfatman posted...

What is wrong with some people? Why do you worry more for big corporations than your fellow common person?

I give precicesly zero fucks about corporations or my "fellow common person".

I give many many fucks to paying $10 for a fast food burger, which is the reality we will face if they have to pay people $15ph to make a fucking sandwich.

How would less than doubling their pay, quadruple the product price?

Wages are only about a quarter of their operating cost.
https://marketrealist.com/2014/07/must-know-mcdonalds-major-operation-costs

The better question is where TF are you getting a burger for $2.50?

https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/full-menu/123dollarmenu.html

But my point still stands even if your deflection was true. The worst we'd see assuming everyone's wage under McDs is minimum, is a 25% increase.
So your $2 burger goes to $2.50
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Ya'll know this probably won't cost all that many jobs, right?

Everything I've seen about it says that they still have to have a cashier because (a) some people don't want to use the kiosks and (b) you still have to go to the register if you want to pay cash. If anything, it might add a role to the McDonald's staff because you have to have someone to help dumbass people order through the kiosks.
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Umm its been like this Canada for a while 6 or kiosks and one person on till. Much easier order and quicker too. No need to worry about some holding up line. Cashier jobs are on way out , but the writing been on wall for a while now.

I went to one the other day and they have a guy there handing out cops.

Literally in the lobby handing out cups. Its weird
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The real thing to learn here is that if a machine can do your job better than you, you need to step up your game. People okay with this are probably like me, tired of dealing with cashiers that can't get basic orders right, make change without the computer telling them what to pay, and act like they're stoned on the job treating customers like inconveniences to the conversation they're having.

Culturally we've been idiots for a long time. We been automating out jobs, while at the same time showing the less than ideal education standards or a direction that takes this into account. I'm not surprised. Even now the responses critical seem to assume that UBI or low skill jobs need to exist as the only possible avenue for people because there's no way they could be made better employees.
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lightwarrior78 posted...

The real thing to learn here is that if a machine can do your job better than you, you need to step up your game. People okay with this are probably like me, tired of dealing with cashiers that can't get basic orders right, make change without the computer telling them what to pay, and act like they're stoned on the job treating customers like inconveniences to the conversation they're having.

Culturally we've been idiots for a long time. We been automating out jobs, while at the same time showing the less than ideal education standards or a direction that takes this into account. I'm not surprised. Even now the responses critical seem to assume that UBI or low skill jobs need to exist as the only possible avenue for people because there's no way they could be made better employees.

Its not about the machine doing the job better.

Its more efficient
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lightwarrior78 posted...

Culturally we've been idiots for a long time. We been automating out jobs, while at the same time showing the less than ideal education standards

lol what are you smoking you could have a degree and be capable of a skilled job and not be hired due to the current oversupply of labor

Honestly I don't see Chick Fil A swapping anytime soon.

The one near my work had 5 people in the car lanes* with ipads writing up orders n shit. They always have insanely good service. Yeah it costs a bit more but I would pay for the quality service. I probably don't represent the norm on that though.

Honestly, I think the same thing that happened with Walmart and Kroger is going to happen. They'll convert, people will bitch because the machines go down, then they'll put more cashiers out.

edit: Also still, a lot of places have online ordering now which is effectively the same thing.
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Looks like those "We demand a $15 minimum wage an unionization" dopes are going to get a quick economics lesson. Can't wait.
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The McDonalds near my work has had them for a few months now and I love it. I also hate how many people just refuse to use it. I see so many people go to it, look at it for a second, and then go to the counter. The person behind the counter then walks them back to it and goes through it with them. They technically can ring them up at the counter, but they're trying to get everyone used to the kiosks.

One lady went to the counter with the excuse "I don't want to touch that screen, it's probably really dirty", and the lady behind the counter (nicest fast food worker I've ever seen in my life) said with a smile and a laugh "well your about to touch money, and you touched the handle to open the door to the building."
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SideshowBob311 posted...

Looks like those "We demand a $15 minimum wage an unionization" dopes are going to get a quick economics lesson. Can't wait.

Oh shut up. First off fast food isnt the only minimum wage job. 2nd off stop trying to combine the two. This was happening with $7 minimum or $15 minimum. Automation is constantly replacing jobs. Has been for decades. Weve had self checkout and self ordering machines at restaurants for years now. None of this is new. None of this is a direct result of raised wages. Stop trying to play that false narrative.
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

The real thing to learn here is that if a machine can do your job better than you, you need to step up your game. People okay with this are probably like me, tired of dealing with cashiers that can't get basic orders right, make change without the computer telling them what to pay, and act like they're stoned on the job treating customers like inconveniences to the conversation they're having.

Culturally we've been idiots for a long time. We been automating out jobs, while at the same time showing the less than ideal education standards or a direction that takes this into account. I'm not surprised. Even now the responses critical seem to assume that UBI or low skill jobs need to exist as the only possible avenue for people because there's no way they could be made better employees.

Its not about the machine doing the job better.

Its more efficient

Those are pretty synonymous in business terms. People that haven't been automated out had to show they were better than the machine trying to replace them at producing results. Even if there wasn't a wage savings, it would still be better to use a machine that can handle 20 orders in the time a live person can do 10, or 5, so the person needs to try and do 20 or offer some value the machine doesn't.
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Turbam posted...

Millennials are afraid to talk to people

Pretty much

People are probably more prone to making large orders as well since they don't have to announce their 5000 calorie feast to the rest of the people there.
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CharlesBronson posted...

lightwarrior78 posted...

Culturally we've been idiots for a long time. We been automating out jobs, while at the same time showing the less than ideal education standards

lol what are you smoking you could have a degree and be capable of a skilled job and not be hired due to the current oversupply of labor

You cut off my bit on "direction". In other words, blindly letting people strive for any career without thought to labor surpluses in certain fields is as much to blame for the need for menial labor work to live on as anything else
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My town has them and no one uses them, I guess most of you people live in bigger cities or something. I hate the fucking machines and I get pissed off every time I get asked to use one. I'm 31, by the way, so I guess I'm one of the few "millennials" that hates automation. If the person fucks up my order, I tell them and just wait for them to fix it, but they never mess up my order, so I guess my fast food workers aren't brain-dead like the ones you guys seem to deal with.

What I hate more than those kiosks, though, are the self check-outs at walmart. I refuse to scan and bag my own shit, and obviously everyone else feels the same way around here because all the check-outs that have human cashiers are always full while the self check-outs are empty.
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I like to go through the drive thru, order food, and drive away.
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Also, the only fast food i've had in the past year or so is 5 guys. I always just use the app. It's waiting for me when I arrive, and the workers are making my burger off a nice printout, so it's less likely they'll fuck it up.
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Kiosks kinda suck if you want to pay with cash. By the time you get done with your order and have to take the ticket up to pay there is a line of old people that refuse to even attempt it and you contemplate why you even went to the kiosk to begin with.

Plus they wont let you switch the sausage patty out for bacon in the big breakfast platter =/
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While not totally on topic, here's an interesting video on our future regarding the work force.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU" data-time="
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They'll get kiosks and robots to replace everyone and still manage to fuck up my order.
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People trying to blame this on higher minimum wage need to shut the fuck up. The price of technology is constantly decreasing. You could keep minimum wage at $7.25 and technology would still win out, if not now then in the near future. Meanwhile prices are increasing as wages do not keep pace. Do you think they should reduce minimum wage to compete against technology? Let's pay worker $1 an hour to compete! Don't be silly.
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kinetika_ posted...

What I hate more than those kiosks, though, are the self check-outs at walmart. I refuse to scan and bag my own shit, and obviously everyone else feels the same way around here because all the check-outs that have human cashiers are always full while the self check-outs are empty.

Well, it could also have something to do with the average IQ of a Walmart shopper, which is a legit challenge for full on automation. People are dumb and\or afraid of computers.

"If you make something idiot proof, the universe will create a better idiot"
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DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

DiegoSanchez206 posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Southernfatman posted...

What is wrong with some people? Why do you worry more for big corporations than your fellow common person?

I give precicesly zero fucks about corporations or my "fellow common person".

I give many many fucks to paying $10 for a fast food burger, which is the reality we will face if they have to pay people $15ph to make a fucking sandwich.

How would less than doubling their pay, quadruple the product price?

Wages are only about a quarter of their operating cost.
https://marketrealist.com/2014/07/must-know-mcdonalds-major-operation-costs

The better question is where TF are you getting a burger for $2.50?

McDonalds.

A mcdouble sure, but I'm not talking about value menu items. Shouldn't need to be pointed out. The average price of a burger anywhere is about $5.

You asked the question and I answered. This topic is about McDonalds.

True, I was under the assumption most adults ate adult sized burgers and it could be assumed by anyone with a reasonable level of intelligence the statement was not in reference to value menu or child sized burgers.

Im fine with this but the kitchen better be staffed and fast as shit now.
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Ever since kisosks been in Canada. Only seniors , young kids , drug attics and homeless use the the cashier. Next time at your in McDonalds take a look at people lined up at the till.