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Smallville
06/03/18 7:16:54 PM
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How does darth maul even survive what happened in the other star wars movie? And why was he talking to emilia clarke in the first place? is clarke a villian in the next movie or something?
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:18:33 PM
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yeah, the movie takes place after the Empire is formed but Darth Maul is still alive?

wtf
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marthsheretoo
06/03/18 7:18:50 PM
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Blame Dave Filoni
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billcom6
06/03/18 7:19:13 PM
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Even though it seemed like he should have died in Episode 1 he did not, and went on to have a character arc in the animated TV shows that take place after Episode 1 so at the time of SOLO he is still alive.

He is the head of the crime syndicate Crimson Dawn who Qi'ra works for. Instead of running away with Han she decides to keep working for Crimson Dawn.
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Darmik
06/03/18 7:19:15 PM
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Darth Maul survived, got robot legs and he now runs a criminal empire.
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Vertania
06/03/18 7:19:29 PM
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because cartoons
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Smallville
06/03/18 7:20:21 PM
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how was maul able to survive though or how was he healed? was that ever said?
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juicebox4
06/03/18 7:20:29 PM
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hates obi wan so much that he sustains his life, falls into some garbage place where he builds himself spider legs, then savage opress brings him to his witch mother who gives him back his sanity and hooks him up w better legs

and idk i havent seen solo but sounds like thats the way theyre going w her
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:20:33 PM
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*clone wars spoilers*

he survived the fall and somehow ended up on a junkyard planet where he lost his mind and lived as a raving lunatic for several years until his long lost brother Savage Oppress found him and gave him new legs with their help of their mother who is a witch. then he took control of a bunch of criminal syndicates and took control of the planet Mandalore

i swear i'm telling the truth
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:20:49 PM
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billcom6 posted...
and went on to have a character arc in the animated TV shows that take place after Episode 1 so at the time of SOLO he is still alive.

Vertania posted...
because cartoons

jesus christ this is getting even more convoluted than the MCU
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CyricZ
06/03/18 7:21:23 PM
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marthsheretoo posted...
Blame Dave Filoni

I've wondered, was it really him who made the call, though? Lucas liked Maul and was still in charge at that point.
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:22:40 PM
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Convoluted and stupid backstory aside, EU Maul is a great character
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:23:13 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
EU Maul is a great character

but the EU isn't canon anymore
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:23:56 PM
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SBAndross posted...
Doom_Art posted...
EU Maul is a great character

but the EU isn't canon anymore

I mean Disney EU
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DarthAragorn
06/03/18 7:23:57 PM
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CyricZ posted...
marthsheretoo posted...
Blame Dave Filoni

I've wondered, was it really him who made the call, though? Lucas liked Maul and was still in charge at that point.

Savage Oppress is absolutely a Lucas name too
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Darmik
06/03/18 7:24:54 PM
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SBAndross posted...
Doom_Art posted...
EU Maul is a great character

but the EU isn't canon anymore


The old EU isn't canon.

Everything EU related since the Disney purchase (outside of The Old Republic MMO) is canon. I think the Clone Wars cartoon was the only thing that carried over.
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:24:59 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Savage Oppress is absolutely a Lucas name too

"Darth Insanius"
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:25:30 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
I mean Disney EU

ugh, may just quit at this point.

OT, PT, ST, EU, cartoons, comics, novels, video games, and now the Disney EU

how the fuck am I supposed to keep this all straight
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Shadowplay
06/03/18 7:27:33 PM
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Trying to shoehorn Darth Maul into everything is just awful storytelling,
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:29:05 PM
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Shadowplay posted...
Trying to shoehorn Darth Maul into everything is just awful storytelling,

really should have been Black Sun instead of Crimson Dawn and Prince Xizor instead of Darth Maul...

but nooooooooooooooooooooo
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CyricZ
06/03/18 7:29:17 PM
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What I'm saying is that Lucas was calling a lot of shots when Clone Wars was made. Filoni wanted a ragtag group of nobodies (which is what Rebels ended up being) but Lucas was insistent that they use the established characters as main characters, which frankly I feel worked against that show.

Anyway, I feel that Maul was used kinda poorly in TCW because they were just throwing another villain into a villain saturated show, and Maul wasn't really anything in that show apart from being a spiky red revenge-boner.

I feel they used him better in Rebels because ended up being a dark mentor to Ezra, which shaped his character a bit. Not to mention that awesome final duel with Kenobi. Of course, this begs the question of what they intend to do with Maul since we know exactly how he ended up.
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Polycosm
06/03/18 7:30:22 PM
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It's kinda hokey how he survived, but I'm willing to accept it just this once. I better not see any more death retcons in SW.
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CyricZ
06/03/18 7:30:51 PM
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SBAndross posted...
Doom_Art posted...
I mean Disney EU

ugh, may just quit at this point.

OT, PT, ST, EU, cartoons, comics, novels, video games, and now the Disney EU

how the fuck am I supposed to keep this all straight

It's actually a lot easier than it used to be.
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:30:57 PM
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SBAndross posted...
really should have been Black Sun instead of Crimson Dawn and Prince Xizor instead of Darth Maul...

that'd have been fucking badass

CyricZ posted...
What I'm saying is that Lucas was calling a lot of shots when Clone Wars was made. Filoni wanted a ragtag group of nobodies (which is what Rebels ended up being) but Lucas was insistent that they use the established characters as main characters, which frankly I feel worked against that show.

The plus side to this is we get the awesome Anakin and Obi-Wan bromance that was lacking in the films
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DarthAragorn
06/03/18 7:31:23 PM
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Polycosm posted...
It's kinda hokey how he survived, but I'm willing to accept it just this once. I better not see any more death retcons in SW.

There's one more I want to see though
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CyricZ
06/03/18 7:31:24 PM
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Polycosm posted...
It's kinda hokey how he survived, but I'm willing to accept it just this once. I better not see any more death retcons in SW.

>_>

*kicks Dooku's head in a jar under the table out of sight*
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:31:38 PM
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Polycosm posted...
I better not see any more death retcons in SW.

You know that Ewok that got zapped by an AT-St and then was mourned over by his buddy? Totally is revived as a Sith Lord
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:32:19 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
There's one more I want to see though

Who dat?
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DarthAragorn
06/03/18 7:33:22 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
There's one more I want to see though

Who dat?

TLJ spoilers Luke Skywalker obviously

Though honestly Snoke too kinda, fuck just retcon all of TLJ

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s0nicfan
06/03/18 7:34:25 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Polycosm posted...
It's kinda hokey how he survived, but I'm willing to accept it just this once. I better not see any more death retcons in SW.

There's one more I want to see though


Two, depending on what "abruptly cut short" TFA plot lines you prefer to see fixed after TLJ
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DarthAragorn
06/03/18 7:35:02 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
Polycosm posted...
It's kinda hokey how he survived, but I'm willing to accept it just this once. I better not see any more death retcons in SW.

There's one more I want to see though


Two, depending on what "abruptly cut short" TFA plot lines you prefer to see fixed after TLJ

Yeah I actually just edited my last post to say two, lol.
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:35:19 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Two, depending on what "abruptly cut short" TFA plot lines you prefer to see fixed after TLJ

One was quite literally cut short >_>
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:36:15 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
TLJ spoilers Luke Skywalker obviously


He'll almost certainly be back as a force ghost though


DarthAragorn posted...
Though honestly Snoke too kinda, fuck just retcon all of TLJ


I'm of the group that never really cared for them to begin with. Kylo makes a much better main threat/antagonist imo
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marthsheretoo
06/03/18 7:36:48 PM
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CyricZ posted...
marthsheretoo posted...
Blame Dave Filoni

I've wondered, was it really him who made the call, though? Lucas liked Maul and was still in charge at that point.


No, you're right. Lucas gave the order.
I still want to blame Filoni, though.

DarthAragorn posted...
Savage Oppress is absolutely a Lucas name too


Savage Oppress is the worst name in the history of Star Wars.

CyricZ posted...
I feel they used him better in Rebels because ended up being a dark mentor to Ezra, which shaped his character a bit.Not to mention that awesome final duel with Kenobi. Of course, this begs the question of what they intend to do with Maul since we know exactly how he ended up.


The "dark mentor" thing barely happened and didn't really impact anything and turned into Maul just whining "why won't you be my apprentice?" over and over.

It's pretty bad writing to give Maul a plot line where he builds up a criminal empire, gets it knocked down and loses everything, then go on to build up ANOTHER criminal empire and (presumably) get it knocked down and lose everything AGAIN. We know Crimson Dawn isn't gonna last and Maul is gonna be in hiding on Malachor soon, so I don't see anywhere else for that to go
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:37:15 PM
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I like the theory that Snoke was one of the "younglings" Anakin didn't finish off
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DarthAragorn
06/03/18 7:40:11 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
DarthAragorn posted...
TLJ spoilers Luke Skywalker obviously


He'll almost certainly be back as a force ghost though


DarthAragorn posted...
Though honestly Snoke too kinda, fuck just retcon all of TLJ


I'm of the group that never really cared for them to begin with. Kylo makes a much better main threat/antagonist imo

First isn't the same

Second he wasn't great but killing him off with no explanation as to where the fuck he came from, how he managed to build/rebuild the First Order to a position about as strong as the Empire ever was, or really any details about him whatsoever, is just really lame
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:41:55 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Second he wasn't great but killing him off with no explanation as to where the f*** he came from, how he managed to build/rebuild the First Order to a position about as strong as the Empire ever was, or really any details about him whatsoever, is just really lame

Exactly. Snoke was only "lame" because we learned zilch about him
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dave_is_slick
06/03/18 7:42:43 PM
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SBAndross posted...
how the f*** am I supposed to keep this all straight

It's not hard at all though. Pretty damn simple, actually.
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:42:57 PM
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oh well, character development has never exactly been Star Wars' strong suit...
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Tyranthraxus
06/03/18 7:43:03 PM
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Smallville posted...
How does darth maul even survive what happened in the other star wars movie? And why was he talking to emilia clarke in the first place? is clarke a villian in the next movie or something?

The cartoon explains Darth Maul survived because loldisney
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SBAndross
06/03/18 7:43:42 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
It's not hard at all though. Pretty damn simple, actually.

Maybe until another 20 years when they go back and retcon everything again
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Darmik
06/03/18 7:44:00 PM
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I wonder if they intend for an upcoming Star Wars Story movie to explain Snoke. That whole period in general is wide open. Only the novel Bloodline really gives any insight into it as far as I know.

Then again after Solo's box office who knows what will happen there.
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Smallville
06/03/18 7:45:09 PM
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Darmik posted...
I wonder if they intend for an upcoming Star Wars Story movie to explain Snoke. That whole period in general is wide open. Only the novel Bloodline really gives any insight into it as far as I know.

Then again after Solo's box office who knows what will happen there.

solo's bo? I don't get it i really liked this movie but see it's not doing that well, same with term genysis, maybe emilia clarke is just bad luck
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:46:40 PM
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SBAndross posted...
Exactly. Snoke was only "lame" because we learned zilch about him

Eh, I myself disliked him from the start because he was just another raspy robed bad guy.

if he had had more presence in TFA and they gave a bit more info/reason to care about him then yeah I think he'd have been better

tbh though they should've just not had him in it at all and just made Kylo/Hux the main baddies.

Tyranthraxus posted...
The cartoon explains Darth Maul survived because loldisney

in fairness the cartoon predated the disney buyout
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dave_is_slick
06/03/18 7:47:26 PM
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Smallville posted...
solo's bo? I don't get it i really liked this movie but see it's not doing that well

I promise you it's because most people either didn't like, or outright hated TLJ.
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:48:14 PM
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Darmik posted...
I wonder if they intend for an upcoming Star Wars Story movie to explain Snoke. That whole period in general is wide open. Only the novel Bloodline really gives any insight into it as far as I know.

Bloodline had some stuff on the First Order in general but nothing on Snoke really.

In Aftermath there's some allusions to something/someone that might be Snoke but we dunno for sure.

Though I imagine Snoke's origins or whatever will be covered or explained more clearly in the Resistance tv show that's coming out whenever
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s0nicfan
06/03/18 7:48:37 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
Smallville posted...
solo's bo? I don't get it i really liked this movie but see it's not doing that well

I promise you it's because most people either didn't like, or outright hated TLJ.


I've actually heard Solo isn't that bad, but fuck Kathleen Kennedy. I'm not giving Disney another dollar as long as she's still employed.
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:49:42 PM
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dave_is_slick posted...
I promise you it's because most people either didn't like, or outright hated TLJ.

TLJ made like $1.5 billion and outside of RT had pretty favorable reception among critics and audiences

that's not to say it's without its flaws, but it was a fairly big success and most people seemed to enjoy it
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Doom_Art
06/03/18 7:50:05 PM
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@s0nicfan posted...
but fuck Kathleen Kennedy

why is this a thing?
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Darmik
06/03/18 7:50:18 PM
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Doom_Art posted...
Though I imagine Snoke's origins or whatever will be covered or explained more clearly in the Resistance tv show that's coming out whenever


Oh yeah that'll be it then.

I'm sure he'll be about as interesting as expected.
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