Current Events > so ppl literally hate battlefield 5 just cuz FEEEEEMALES right

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The meltdown on /v/ was funny
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RebelElite791 posted...

https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/999426392239390721

Lmfao
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Realism is probably the wrong word, atmosphere works better. It doesn't feel like WW2.

The beach scene in Saving Private Ryan was absolutely unrealistic but it provoked the right emotions. Similarly, Battlefield 1 wasn't realistic but it invoked the the spirit of WW1.
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Touch posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/999426392239390721

LMFAO

And we are done here
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giantblimpN7 posted...

For real, when was Battlefield ever realistic?

It's a fanboy excuse to bash CoD alongside taking 30 shots and being able to run away to heal
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Realism is probably the wrong word, atmosphere works better. It doesn't feel like WW2.

The beach scene in Saving Private Ryan was absolutely unrealistic but it provoked the right emotions. Similarly, Battlefield 1 wasn't realistic but it invoked the the spirit of WW1.

The fuck do you know how WW2 felt?
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Turbam posted...

The meltdown on /v/ was funny

hoo boy

do i even wanna know

tho the san andreas melty has yet to be topped imo
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They already mentioned one of the playable characters from the War Stories campaign was from the Norwegian resistance, which is historically accurate

The teaser trailer showed real British and German accurate armies

Tbh people are getting worked up for no reason
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Touch posted...

giantblimpN7 posted...

For real, when was Battlefield ever realistic?

It's a fanboy excuse to bash CoD alongside taking 30 shots and being able to run away to heal

Yeah. I'm not even hating on the series, I've loved every Battlefield up until 4 and even then I just fell off, I didn't dislike it or anything. Just seems really dumb.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Realism is probably the wrong word, atmosphere works better. It doesn't feel like WW2.

The beach scene in Saving Private Ryan was absolutely unrealistic but it provoked the right emotions. Similarly, Battlefield 1 wasn't realistic but it invoked the the spirit of WW1.

The fuck do you know how WW2 felt?

xD
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Ultimately I hate it because the battlefield formula has gotten so stale, I don't trust EA/Dice to save my life and there are better shooters to play, especially on PC, for realism/tactics.

I wouldn't be bothered by a realistic, gritty, barren and brutal eastern front game with women soldiers. It happened, some famous snipers were ladies. I don't give a fuck about that. I am offput by the prosthetic wielding, cricket bat swinging lionization of fiction in order to appeal to a demographic. They may as well have just made it modern times with a fantasy story/setting, hell steampunk. I'd pick that up in a heartbeat.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

The fuck do you know how WW2 felt?

Time machine. I was one of the British commandos that helped secure beach Juno.

Or years of reading and watching historical documents and accounts, immersing myself in the history of it. Obviously I can't come from a perspective of literal was-there but it's not like I'm wrong in the idea that again, a FUCKING ALLIED SOLDIER ISN'T GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO WEAR A GOD DAMN JAPANESE SWORD.
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can't believe this interactive escapist medium is so unrealistic
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the outrage is great though

https://i.redditmedia.com/w7x3pmeGEHpdGWY4jKv1L3SxRp3GUIeiJp4kU7ZokQw.png?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=816b4afdde781e3facea3c6451c9296b

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mario2000 posted...

can't believe this interactive escapist medium is so unrealistic

So realism is always, without exception an invalid criticism of an artistic work?
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no i'm saying people need to quit being dorks and just have fun
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RebelElite791 posted...

https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/999426392239390721

@Anarchy_Juiblex
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

The fuck do you know how WW2 felt?

Time machine. I was one of the British commandos that helped secure beach Juno.

Or years of reading and watching historical documents and accounts, immersing myself in the history of it. Obviously I can't come from a perspective of literal was-there but it's not like I'm wrong in the idea that again, a FUCKING ALLIED SOLDIER ISN'T GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO WEAR A GOD DAMN JAPANESE SWORD.

You're right, you're just emotional that a literal video game is taking historical liberties
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None if it will mater if they pull a Battlefront again.

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

mario2000 posted...

can't believe this interactive escapist medium is so unrealistic

So realism is always, without exception an invalid criticism of an artistic work?

Not always, just in situations like this
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FrisbeeDude posted...

You're right, you're just emotional that a literal video game is taking historical liberties

Eh, my only real gripe with the historical stuff is the sword. The rest is . . .
Read post 15 and 22 again.
"It looks like generic 2018 crap. It's too busy and I hate the shaky camera."

Not that you'll believe me but both the woman and black guy could be replaced with straight white christian males *gasps and clutches pearls* and I would still think it looks like crap.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

You're right, you're just emotional that a literal video game is taking historical liberties

Eh, my only real gripe with the historical stuff is the sword. The rest is . . .
Read post 15 and 22 again.
"It looks like generic 2018 crap. It's too busy and I hate the shaky camera."

Not that you'll believe me but both the woman and black guy could be replaced with straight white christian males *gasps and clutches pearls* and I would still think it looks like crap.

For the record, I dont think your unreasonable reaction comes from a place of misogyny or racism (though your defensiveness is interesting), but rather from a place of rabid fandom
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

They already mentioned one of the playable characters from the War Stories campaign was from the Norwegian resistance, which is historically accurate

The teaser trailer showed real British and German accurate armies

Tbh people are getting worked up for no reason

"Accurate"

I do remember British soldiers being out of uniform with katanas and prosthetics.

And the woman in the demo beating Germans with her cricket bat is very clearly British she's literally going "ello mates" during it.
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Look, if the game developers aren't trying to make a serious, accurate portrayal of WW2 (gameplay liberties aside), then don't shit on their game for not being something it isn't trying to be.

I just hope that the sides here are consistent on other topics in games. Like sexy, busty female characters. If you're in here saying "So what if they have a female character with a cyborg arm? Just have fun.", I don't want to hear you complaining about how impractical Ivy Valentines big boobs and bdsm gear are. Vice versa for the other side complaining about how unrealistic it is.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

I dont think your unreasonable reaction

What exactly is unreasonable about my reaction, what exactly do you think my reaction is?

Not every iteration of a game is going to be a winner, and wouldn't rabid fandom ultimately make someone defend the franchise, seems like a more valid criticism against proponents.
Maybe I have rabid "fandom" of WW2, but not BF.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

I dont think your unreasonable reaction

Maybe I have rabid "fandom" of WW2, but not BF.

And expecting a video game (a military FPS no less) to adhere to historical accuracy in terms of how it felt to be there and getting upset when they dont is unreasonable.

Did this game sell itself as some super authentic retelling of the war?
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RebelElite791 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

https://twitter.com/DaveMilbo/status/999426392239390721

@Anarchy_Juiblex

Did a bit more reading about this so called "WWII". Turns out the Allies were massive SJWs. I'm pretty shaken.

And here's the exact problem with this, the danger here.

The US had a segregated military, threw people into camps based on their ethnicity.

People are starting to forget that and it's important to remember that it wasn't too long ago, it's not impossible to show the segregated military during a war video game.
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FrisbeeDude posted...

And expecting a video game (a military FPS no less) to adhere to historical accuracy in terms of how it felt to be there

I get to have whatever standard I want for the media I consume, if I don't think it looks provocative and interesting, that's the case for me and there's nothing wrong with that. I haven't attacked anyone, I haven't said the game *is* bad, I said it doesn't look good, it doesn't appeal to me. I don't get to have an opinion because it's negative?

and getting upset when they dont is unreasonable.

I'm not upset, more upset that you and the white knight brigade are trying to James Rolf me ala Ghostbusters.
And like him, I'm saying I'm not interested and instead of taking that as a valid position, you guys are fucking attacking, trying to paint any detraction as unreasonable.
Who's more upset, those not interested or the agenda driven defense force?

Did this game sell itself as some super authentic retelling of the war?

This is just a red herring.
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l Dudeboy l posted...

Lol @ people who thought that was a robot arm.

Read a book sometime.

What does Clifford the Big Red Dog have to do with prosthetic limbs and women in World War 2?
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Goats posted...

"If you don't like this game you are clearly anti-feminism!!"
Yeah that kind of strawman has worked so well for other franchises.

It totally worked for Ghostbusters, remember how AVGN took down his channel in shame and Paul Feig won best director?
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Esrac posted...

Look, if the game developers aren't trying to make a serious, accurate portrayal of WW2 (gameplay liberties aside), then don't shit on their game for not being something it isn't trying to be.

I just hope that the sides here are consistent on other topics in games. Like sexy, busty female characters. If you're in here saying "So what if they have a female character with a cyborg arm? Just have fun.", I don't want to hear you complaining about how impractical Ivy Valentines big boobs and bdsm gear are. Vice versa for the other side complaining about how unrealistic it is.

Devs literally compared it to Saving Private Ryan during the preview.

They keep mentioning authentic, and that's what I want.

Game physics and mechanics are a different thing, that's an acceptable break. I know we have to have health bars, but we don't need British soldiers with pink camo running around with Katanas.

I hated Battlefield 1 too, and what a waste when you look at stuff like their marketing on the Harlem Hellfighters who actually were a cool unit with history that approached how the US discriminated.

On the other hand, I own all the Wolfenstein games and enjoy those, those are clearly not real and goofy. But that's the difference it's not trying to be something with any authentic feel, but they still approach topics with more care than Battlefield which is hilarious.

If you are going to break, go all the way. Do a Inglorious Basterds style and market it that way if they want.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

They already mentioned one of the playable characters from the War Stories campaign was from the Norwegian resistance, which is historically accurate

The teaser trailer showed real British and German accurate armies

Tbh people are getting worked up for no reason

"Accurate"

I do remember British soldiers being out of uniform with katanas and prosthetics.

And the woman in the demo beating Germans with her cricket bat is very clearly British she's literally going "ello mates" during it.

Nothing you've just said contradicted what you quoted.
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

They already mentioned one of the playable characters from the War Stories campaign was from the Norwegian resistance, which is historically accurate

The teaser trailer showed real British and German accurate armies

Tbh people are getting worked up for no reason

"Accurate"

I do remember British soldiers being out of uniform with katanas and prosthetics.

And the woman in the demo beating Germans with her cricket bat is very clearly British she's literally going "ello mates" during it.

Nothing you've just said contradicted what you quoted.

Really?

That was authentic British army?

Out of uniform soldiers using cricket bats and katanas?

You and I have bery different ideas of authentic then.
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Its fake WW2

There were no women fighting in wars. They were at home cooking and cleaning and having babies
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knuxnole posted...

Its fake WW2

There were no women fighting in wars. They were at home cooking and cleaning and having babies

That is false though.

They were >1% but there were women in the Soviet Union and in other countries as they also got desperate.

Look at Pavilchenko, 309 kills.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko

They should be done like Finest Hour did or older games, shown but portrayed somewhat authentically.
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Cyborgs and katanas might make Battlefield actually fun.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

Esrac posted...

Look, if the game developers aren't trying to make a serious, accurate portrayal of WW2 (gameplay liberties aside), then don't shit on their game for not being something it isn't trying to be.

I just hope that the sides here are consistent on other topics in games. Like sexy, busty female characters. If you're in here saying "So what if they have a female character with a cyborg arm? Just have fun.", I don't want to hear you complaining about how impractical Ivy Valentines big boobs and bdsm gear are. Vice versa for the other side complaining about how unrealistic it is.

Devs literally compared it to Saving Private Ryan during the preview.

They keep mentioning authentic, and that's what I want.

Game physics and mechanics are a different thing, that's an acceptable break. I know we have to have health bars, but we don't need British soldiers with pink camo running around with Katanas.

I hated Battlefield 1 too, and what a waste when you look at stuff like their marketing on the Harlem Hellfighters who actually were a cool unit with history that approached how the US discriminated.

On the other hand, I own all the Wolfenstein games and enjoy those, those are clearly not real and goofy. But that's the difference it's not trying to be something with any authentic feel, but they still approach topics with more care than Battlefield which is hilarious.

If you are going to break, go all the way. Do a Inglorious Basterds style and market it that way if they want.

See, if they are actually trying to market it as authentic, then the criticism and confusion is justified.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

They already mentioned one of the playable characters from the War Stories campaign was from the Norwegian resistance, which is historically accurate

The teaser trailer showed real British and German accurate armies

Tbh people are getting worked up for no reason

"Accurate"

I do remember British soldiers being out of uniform with katanas and prosthetics.

And the woman in the demo beating Germans with her cricket bat is very clearly British she's literally going "ello mates" during it.

Nothing you've just said contradicted what you quoted.

Really?

That was authentic British army?

Out of uniform soldiers using cricket bats and katanas?

You and I have bery different ideas of authentic then.

You're getting all worked up about a non-canon co-op mode.

I'm referring to this

https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/44540/content/small_battlefield_v.jpg

That's the actual British and German insignias for teams. The HUD looks like an even cleaner version of BF1, as they hinted. A white guy wearing goggles, totally out there too.

They already said Tides of War is over the top on purpose and will feature hypothetical scenarios, such as your dear British Kahana wielding grandma.

And wielding enemy weapons is weird? Did you not watch Letters From Iwo Jima?

And AGAIN with the Harlem Hellfighters. They're mentioned in-game by the enemy as being scary as shit and one of them narrates the campaign. Would you prefer a campaign full of white people calling them the N-word because hey, that's probably more historically accurate?
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AvantgardeAClue posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

AvantgardeAClue posted...

They already mentioned one of the playable characters from the War Stories campaign was from the Norwegian resistance, which is historically accurate

The teaser trailer showed real British and German accurate armies

Tbh people are getting worked up for no reason

"Accurate"

I do remember British soldiers being out of uniform with katanas and prosthetics.

And the woman in the demo beating Germans with her cricket bat is very clearly British she's literally going "ello mates" during it.

Nothing you've just said contradicted what you quoted.

Really?

That was authentic British army?

Out of uniform soldiers using cricket bats and katanas?

You and I have bery different ideas of authentic then.

You're getting all worked up about a non-canon co-op mode.

I'm referring to this

https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/44540/content/small_battlefield_v.jpg

That's the actual British and German insignias for teams. The HUD looks like an even cleaner version of BF1, as they hinted. A white guy wearing goggles, totally out there too.

They already said Tides of War is over the top on purpose and will feature hypothetical scenarios, such as your dear British Kahana wielding grandma.

And wielding enemy weapons is weird? Did you not watch Letters From Iwo Jima?

And AGAIN with the Harlem Hellfighters. They're mentioned in-game by the enemy as being scary as shit and one of them narrates the campaign. Would you prefer a campaign full of white people calling them the N-word because hey, that's probably more historically accurate?

Oh so, no you have no evidence about them being authentic other than an insignia?

The stuff shown in that demo the screen cap is from isn't authentic though..... Huh isn't that weird.

Yes, I did liked the film actually. But um.... Real quick here, where were the soldiers getting the weapons from? From their enemies right?

So uhh, where exactly did that British soldier fight the Japanese only a few thousand miles away from the Pacific?

Really fucking authentic there.

And you know what is hilarious, there actually was a British commando who used a broadsword and a bow and arrow during the war. Except get this, it was what he actually had and not a weapon thousands of miles away.

I don't want a campaign of a white guy screaming racial slurs at a black guy, but I would have preferred a campaign showcasing them and showing the discrimination that was present at the time, then showing how much they did during the war, and with their territory gains it would have been fun.

You know an interesting delving into a subject in history that would be authentic and teach someone something. Not "lol look at this American dude pew pew planes yeeee the Allies did nothing wrong ever!"

If that's what you want fine, but it's not something I or many people want, and history and authentic stories are far more interesting.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

I don't want a campaign of a white guy screaming racial slurs at a black guy, but I would have preferred a campaign showcasing them and showing the discrimination that was present at the time, then showing how much they did during the war, and with their territory gains it would have been fun.

Dude SJWs will never be happy. If you don't show the racism, it's white washing history. If you do, it's racist itself. There is no winning.

edit, here's my prediction, "omg they had a white guy kill a Japanese soldier and appropriate his sword? What, is he better at using it than him? This is the Last Samurai all over again!!!"
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Foppe posted...

Females with cyborg arms fighting in WWII.
Not even Metal Gear was that crazy.

In Metal Gear, World War 2 was canonically won in large part due to a man who spits bees, an invisible spider man, an ancient dryad tree sniper, and a cosmonaut that turns into a flaming version of that sand face from the mummy
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

I don't want a campaign of a white guy screaming racial slurs at a black guy, but I would have preferred a campaign showcasing them and showing the discrimination that was present at the time, then showing how much they did during the war, and with their territory gains it would have been fun.

Dude SJWs will never be happy. If you don't show the racism, it's white washing history. If you do, it's racist itself. There is no winning.

That's basically what that guy is doing.

He's basically saying only two options are

1. A 8 hour campaign of a white guy screaming racial slurs not stop at a black guy while both do chores.

2. A campaign where everything is white washed and segregation never existed and white and black soldiers happily work together to fight their also racially accepting enemies.
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Feeeeee!
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

The_Ivory_Man posted...

I don't want a campaign of a white guy screaming racial slurs at a black guy, but I would have preferred a campaign showcasing them and showing the discrimination that was present at the time, then showing how much they did during the war, and with their territory gains it would have been fun.

Dude SJWs will never be happy. If you don't show the racism, it's white washing history. If you do, it's racist itself. There is no winning.

edit, here's my prediction, "omg they had a white guy kill a Japanese soldier and appropriate his sword? What, is he better at using it than him? This is the Last Samurai all over again!!!"

Ok so you are just a reactionary dudebro who happens to have read up on the war.
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https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/999427230857072640
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alphagamble posted...

https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/999427230857072640

Love this post below it

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-rxyoVwAET25-?format=jpg
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A woman with a prosthetic arm fighting on the front lines.

Sorry that some people might have a problem with that when you're supposed to be an authentic WW2 game.
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Why are you so ablist StarReaper?

alphagamble posted...

https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/999427230857072640

LMAO.
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I would be 100% okay with this if they didn't say authentic, but I don't like being lied to.
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