Current Events > U.S. birth rate hit an all-time low, fueling fears of a demographic time bomb

(+) Yeah! (+)

Lots of blowhards brainwashed by baby boomers itt.
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MasterGakke posted...

Very few people of the age to have kids have money, what a surprise. America is such a shithole country. Can the economy please fucking explode already so we can violently murder all the rich fuckers and start over already.

Or, maybe people could actually go out and work instead of just sitting at home waiting for some imaginary money to show up. But instead theyd rather just put the blame on other people.

Not surprised. Millineals have like, no game whatsoever

Y2J_os_HBK_Blue posted...

Not surprised. Millineals have like, no game whatsoever

I've heard of people named Neal, but not necessarily thousands of them...
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good more jobs for everyone else

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Hey BJ what is plox and why is it whites only?

Plox = please

I am making fun of people obsessed by race who pretty much think that.

BJ-blazkowics posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Hey BJ what is plox and why is it whites only?

Plox = please

I am making fun of people obsessed by race who pretty much think that.

Ah okay, weird plox sound like a weird video game. I wouldn't have expected it to mean please.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

BJ-blazkowics posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Hey BJ what is plox and why is it whites only?

Plox = please

I am making fun of people obsessed by race who pretty much think that.

Ah okay, weird plox sound like a weird video game. I wouldn't have expected it to mean please.

I didn't understand it at first too... then it sort of became a meme

Plox is pretty old. I've seen it used on these message boards since the early 2000s
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Didn't read topic but I just had a kid

Would highly recommend. Greatest thing ever

furb posted...

Plox is pretty old. I've seen it used on these message boards since the early 2000s

It predates this site.
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Good. I can't stand kids in general. Plus, just look at our world. The cost of living, the chances any kid born today will grow up in a better and more affordable world. It feels like a crime to bring more human beings into the world.
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This is why we must not build the wall.

Oh good. We have too many people on this earth. The only ones bitching about this are religious control freaks.
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ElatedVenusaur posted...

Is it any wonder? It's never been more expensive to have a child, and real wages have been declining for nearly 40 years now. Plus, a lot of the typical blue-collar fields(manufacturing, mining, etc.) have shed jobs due to automation and off-shoring. You need a (ludicrously expensive) bachelor's degree to even get your foot in the door to most decent-paying jobs.
A large portion of my (small) income goes to paying off student loans. I can't afford to buy a house, and I certainly can't afford to raise a child, let alone afford to send that kid to college. I'd like to have kids, but it's economically unfeasible, even if I was with some one.

Exactly this. Our grandparents could afford raising 4 children cause the basic pay back then was enough and everything was proportionately cheaper. I have a child and would actually like another one, but health insurance and medical expenses are reason enough to scare me out of it. Which is quite sad.

All this is also creating a generation of man children that dont care for leaving their parents house and spend all their money on pop culture.
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This is a really good thing
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Well no duh. No one can afford to actually have a children. You want more kids, then give their parents wages where they can actually afford food, school, toys, clothes, etc for said kids. Oh and better yet, give them enough money that one of the parents can stay home and raise the children too. Because right now both parents are working just to pay rent, thus no one is actually raising the children.
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Not a bad thing really.
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I'll take travel, music festivals, and general freedom over having kids. The past few years of my life have been amazing and couldn't have been possible if we had kids. The world is overpopulated and fuck societal traditions.

nicklebro posted...

I hope now people will stop thinking overpopulation is a problem, or ever will be one.

Phwew..

Never again will it be a problem. Thanks!

Y2J_os_HBK_Blue posted...

Not surprised. Millineals have like, no game whatsoever

I can...relate
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Now who's going to prop up social security when it's time for me to retire?
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Didn't we already see this topic within the past 2 weeks or so?
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the population needs to drop. low birth rates are the most humane way possible of doing so
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The less kids we have the less they would have to deal with this bullshit. An unborn person doesn't have any problems and will never have to experience death. We need to solve our own problems instead of just throwing more people at it hoping it will solve itself. It obviously isn't working.
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Plus you have to be really stupid to think that having a ton more people would reduce the quality of life on the planet when there's literally no evidence of that being true nor does it match up with human history. Quality of life around the globe has been increasing as time passes and the world's population grows. Plus implying that were so close to making out our resources that if we have a larger population, there wouldn't be enough to maintain our lifestyle is patently absurd when you see how much food we throw away and how we pay Farmers to literally not grow food.

Overpopulation is 100% a myth, any credible source will tell you the same thing. I
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Kazi1212 posted...

Women are too busy fucking Chads on birth control than rearing kids

yeah , sorry that I stole all the girls so that you can't have sex with any girls

Omega Hunter posted...

RetsuZaiZen posted...

Why is this being met with praise?

Because people are morons. We're not even having enough children to replace ourselves.

Hypergamy intensifies.

Ya brah. The 450million people in this country are def on THE VERGE of dying out over this.
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nicklebro posted...

Plus you have to be really stupid to think that having a ton more people would reduce the quality of life on the planet when there's literally no evidence of that being true nor does it match up with human history. Quality of life around the globe has been increasing as time passes and the world's population grows. Plus implying that were so close to making out our resources that if we have a larger population, there wouldn't be enough to maintain our lifestyle is patently absurd when you see how much food we throw away and how we pay Farmers to literally not grow food.

Overpopulation is 100% a myth, any credible source will tell you the same thing. I

Yeah man. Destroying ecosystems and cutting down what little rainforests we have to build cities and scrape up more wood is total bs. Driving animals to extinction to expand our living areas is some made up mumbo jumbo. We need billions more kids. Lets kill all the lions and start building on the Serengeti
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ToothpicksfDOOM posted...

nicklebro posted...

Plus you have to be really stupid to think that having a ton more people would reduce the quality of life on the planet when there's literally no evidence of that being true nor does it match up with human history. Quality of life around the globe has been increasing as time passes and the world's population grows. Plus implying that were so close to making out our resources that if we have a larger population, there wouldn't be enough to maintain our lifestyle is patently absurd when you see how much food we throw away and how we pay Farmers to literally not grow food.

Overpopulation is 100% a myth, any credible source will tell you the same thing. I

Yeah man. Destroying ecosystems and cutting down what little rainforests we have to build cities and scrape up more wood is total bs. Driving animals to extinction to expand our living areas is some made up mumbo jumbo. We need billions more kids. Lets kill all the lions and start building on the Serengeti

You seem to think we need to do those things if the population increases at all. You also seem to think that those things won't happen if the population doesn't increase or hell, even decreases. This is what we call a non sequitur and it's when your argument against something does not logically follow what is being discussed.
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nicklebro posted...

Plus you have to be really stupid to think that having a ton more people would reduce the quality of life on the planet when there's literally no evidence of that being true nor does it match up with human history. Quality of life around the globe has been increasing as time passes and the world's population grows. Plus implying that were so close to making out our resources that if we have a larger population, there wouldn't be enough to maintain our lifestyle is patently absurd when you see how much food we throw away and how we pay Farmers to literally not grow food.

Overpopulation is 100% a myth, any credible source will tell you the same thing. I

Here are the top 15 most populated countries
1 China
2 India
3 United States
4 Indonesia
5 Pakistan
6 Brazil
7 Nigeria
8 Bangladesh
9 Russia
10 Japan
11 Mexico
12 Philippines
13 Egypt
14 Ethiopia
15 Vietnam

Great quality of life countries we got there.
In fact, in the top 20 only 3 are developed.

And the population rises because quality of life improved, not the other way around. That's just logic. If or when the exponential technology growth starts hitting a ceiling the average quality would definitely dip the more people there are.
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SubtletyRefuge posted...

nicklebro posted...

Plus you have to be really stupid to think that having a ton more people would reduce the quality of life on the planet when there's literally no evidence of that being true nor does it match up with human history. Quality of life around the globe has been increasing as time passes and the world's population grows. Plus implying that were so close to making out our resources that if we have a larger population, there wouldn't be enough to maintain our lifestyle is patently absurd when you see how much food we throw away and how we pay Farmers to literally not grow food.

Overpopulation is 100% a myth, any credible source will tell you the same thing. I

Here are the top 15 most populated countries
1 China
2 India
3 United States
4 Indonesia
5 Pakistan
6 Brazil
7 Nigeria
8 Bangladesh
9 Russia
10 Japan
11 Mexico
12 Philippines
13 Egypt
14 Ethiopia
15 Vietnam

Great quality of life countries we got there.
In fact, in the top 20 only 3 are developed.

And the population rises because quality of life improved, not the other way around. That's just logic. If or when the exponential technology growth starts hitting a ceiling the average quality would definitely dip the more people there are.

Exactly, so the population won't keep increasing if quality of life starts to decrease. So worrying about overpopulation is just plain ignorant.

Lol but if you're seriously going to argue that a countries population is the only thing that determines quality of life then idk if I have the patience to go over all the reasons that's wrong. Plus you're literally just looking at overall population and not how it's relative to landmass or anything else. In fact looking at your list of countries and one thing becomes clear, there's literally no pattern or rhyme nor reason to them at all, so it basically proves that population size and quality of life are unrelated. I mean China has probably the fastest growing economy in the world and theyve been pulling millions of their citizens out of poverty as their population grows.

Anyways even if we ignore all of that, I need an actual reason to believe overpopulation has ever done any of the things you say it will do, and I need a reputable source saying that it's about issue we need to be worried about.
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SubtletyRefuge posted...

In fact, in the top 20 only 3 are developed.

Just saw this.... You only count 3 developed countries on that list? I'd love to hear which three they are so I can laugh at you
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nicklebro posted...
SubtletyRefuge posted...

nicklebro posted...

Plus you have to be really stupid to think that having a ton more people would reduce the quality of life on the planet when there's literally no evidence of that being true nor does it match up with human history. Quality of life around the globe has been increasing as time passes and the world's population grows. Plus implying that were so close to making out our resources that if we have a larger population, there wouldn't be enough to maintain our lifestyle is patently absurd when you see how much food we throw away and how we pay Farmers to literally not grow food.

Overpopulation is 100% a myth, any credible source will tell you the same thing. I

Here are the top 15 most populated countries
1 China
2 India
3 United States
4 Indonesia
5 Pakistan
6 Brazil
7 Nigeria
8 Bangladesh
9 Russia
10 Japan
11 Mexico
12 Philippines
13 Egypt
14 Ethiopia
15 Vietnam

Great quality of life countries we got there.
In fact, in the top 20 only 3 are developed.

And the population rises because quality of life improved, not the other way around. That's just logic. If or when the exponential technology growth starts hitting a ceiling the average quality would definitely dip the more people there are.

Exactly, so the population won't keep increasing if quality of life starts to decrease. So worrying about overpopulation is just plain ignorant.

The population is decreasing right now while quality of life is increasing. Who's to say it won't switch?

Lol but if you're seriously going to argue that a countries population is the only thing that determines quality of life then idk if I have the patience to go over all the reasons that's wrong. Plus you're literally just looking at overall population and not how it's relative to landmass or anything else. In fact looking at your list of countries and one thing becomes clear, there's literally no pattern or rhyme nor reason to them at all, so it basically proves that population size and quality of life are unrelated. I mean China has probably the fastest growing economy in the world and theyve been pulling millions of their citizens out of poverty as their population grows.

Anyways even if we ignore all of that, I need an actual reason to believe overpopulation has ever done any of the things you say it will do, and I need a reputable source saying that it's about issue we need to be worried about.

No one said that. Man, what is with you and moronic hyperbole. Is that all your mind can comprehend?
Is China really your best example of quality of life? Plus, their birth rates aren't rising either. They literally had a ban on having more than 1 children which they recently upped to two which they need government permission for.
nicklebro posted...

Just saw this.... You only count 3 developed countries on that list? I'd love to hear which three they are so I can laugh at you

United States, Japan, and Germany (which isn't on that list, it's #16). List the other ones so I can laugh at you.
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Rika_Furude posted...

the population needs to drop. low birth rates are the most humane way possible of doing so

I agree with your sentiment... partially.

Population needs to decrease.. globally. Decreasing it only in developed nations and increasing it in 3rd world ones is a recipe for a shit future.

SubtletyRefuge posted...

nicklebro posted...

Plus you have to be really stupid to think that having a ton more people would reduce the quality of life on the planet when there's literally no evidence of that being true nor does it match up with human history. Quality of life around the globe has been increasing as time passes and the world's population grows. Plus implying that were so close to making out our resources that if we have a larger population, there wouldn't be enough to maintain our lifestyle is patently absurd when you see how much food we throw away and how we pay Farmers to literally not grow food.

Overpopulation is 100% a myth, any credible source will tell you the same thing. I

Here are the top 15 most populated countries
1 China
2 India
3 United States
4 Indonesia
5 Pakistan
6 Brazil
7 Nigeria
8 Bangladesh
9 Russia
10 Japan
11 Mexico
12 Philippines
13 Egypt
14 Ethiopia
15 Vietnam

Great quality of life countries we got there.
In fact, in the top 20 only 3 are developed.

And the population rises because quality of life improved, not the other way around. That's just logic. If or when the exponential technology growth starts hitting a ceiling the average quality would definitely dip the more people there are.

3? I see 2. US and Japan. Who else?

SubtletyRefuge posted...

nicklebro posted...
SubtletyRefuge posted...

nicklebro posted...

Plus you have to be really stupid to think that having a ton more people would reduce the quality of life on the planet when there's literally no evidence of that being true nor does it match up with human history. Quality of life around the globe has been increasing as time passes and the world's population grows. Plus implying that were so close to making out our resources that if we have a larger population, there wouldn't be enough to maintain our lifestyle is patently absurd when you see how much food we throw away and how we pay Farmers to literally not grow food.

Overpopulation is 100% a myth, any credible source will tell you the same thing. I

Here are the top 15 most populated countries
1 China
2 India
3 United States
4 Indonesia
5 Pakistan
6 Brazil
7 Nigeria
8 Bangladesh
9 Russia
10 Japan
11 Mexico
12 Philippines
13 Egypt
14 Ethiopia
15 Vietnam

Great quality of life countries we got there.
In fact, in the top 20 only 3 are developed.

And the population rises because quality of life improved, not the other way around. That's just logic. If or when the exponential technology growth starts hitting a ceiling the average quality would definitely dip the more people there are.

Exactly, so the population won't keep increasing if quality of life starts to decrease. So worrying about overpopulation is just plain ignorant.

The population is decreasing right now while quality of life is increasing. Who's to say it won't switch?

Lol but if you're seriously going to argue that a countries population is the only thing that determines quality of life then idk if I have the patience to go over all the reasons that's wrong. Plus you're literally just looking at overall population and not how it's relative to landmass or anything else. In fact looking at your list of countries and one thing becomes clear, there's literally no pattern or rhyme nor reason to them at all, so it basically proves that population size and quality of life are unrelated. I mean China has probably the fastest growing economy in the world and theyve been pulling millions of their citizens out of poverty as their population grows.

Anyways even if we ignore all of that, I need an actual reason to believe overpopulation has ever done any of the things you say it will do, and I need a reputable source saying that it's about issue we need to be worried about.

No one said that. Man, what is with you and moronic hyperbole. Is that all your mind can comprehend?
Is China really your best example of quality of life? Plus, their birth rates aren't rising either. They literally had a ban on having more than 1 children which they recently upped to two which they need government permission for.
nicklebro posted...

Just saw this.... You only count 3 developed countries on that list? I'd love to hear which three they are so I can laugh at you

United States, Japan, and Germany (which isn't on that list, it's #16). List the other ones so I can laugh at you.

I mean almost all of them are, but to actually believe China and Russia are not developed nation's despite being super powers in the world and China especially having a massive economy? Their middle class is the size of our entire country.... But they're not even considered a developed nation? Lol.nevwr knew undeveloped nation's could have such successful nuclear programs.
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SubtletyRefuge posted...

No one said that. Man, what is with you and moronic hyperbole. Is that all your mind can comprehend?

That's exactlynwhat you said by posting that list and saying "Great quality of life countries we got there". Lol now you're having trouble comprehending your own posts....
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nicklebro posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

nicklebro posted...
SubtletyRefuge posted...

Here are the top 15 most populated countries
1 China
2 India
3 United States
4 Indonesia
5 Pakistan
6 Brazil
7 Nigeria
8 Bangladesh
9 Russia
10 Japan
11 Mexico
12 Philippines
13 Egypt
14 Ethiopia
15 Vietnam

Great quality of life countries we got there.
In fact, in the top 20 only 3 are developed.

And the population rises because quality of life improved, not the other way around. That's just logic. If or when the exponential technology growth starts hitting a ceiling the average quality would definitely dip the more people there are.

Exactly, so the population won't keep increasing if quality of life starts to decrease. So worrying about overpopulation is just plain ignorant.

The population is decreasing right now while quality of life is increasing. Who's to say it won't switch?

No one said that. Man, what is with you and moronic hyperbole. Is that all your mind can comprehend?
Is China really your best example of quality of life? Plus, their birth rates aren't rising either. They literally had a ban on having more than 1 children which they recently upped to two which they need government permission for.
nicklebro posted...

Just saw this.... You only count 3 developed countries on that list? I'd love to hear which three they are so I can laugh at you

United States, Japan, and Germany (which isn't on that list, it's #16). List the other ones so I can laugh at you.

I mean almost all of them are, but to actually believe China and Russia are not developed nation's despite being super powers in the world and China especially having a massive economy? Their middle class is the size of our entire country.... But they're not even considered a developed nation? Lol.nevwr knew undeveloped nation's could have such successful nuclear programs.

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/top-developing-countries/
https://www.quora.com/Is-Russia-considered-a-developing-or-developed-country
https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/developing-china.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country

Holy shit you really do have no idea what you're talking about do you?

nicklebro posted...

SubtletyRefuge posted...

No one said that. Man, what is with you and moronic hyperbole. Is that all your mind can comprehend?

That's exactlynwhat you said by posting that list and saying "Great quality of life countries we got there". Lol now you're having trouble comprehending your own posts....

Saying the most populated countries's quality of life aren't good isn't saying that the only factor in determining quality of life is population. It takes a special kind of person like you to make such mental gymnastics.
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Extremely low birth rates are bad because you need a working class to support the old ass people. I dont see it being a problem in the US but In China I thought it was a pretty big deal

Also it's pretty big problem in Japan
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SubtletyRefuge posted...

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/top-developing-countries/
https://www.quora.com/Is-Russia-considered-a-developing-or-developed-country
https://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/developing-china.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country

Holy shit you really do have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Lol oh I see, you're relying on some nonsensical definition that completely ignores a countries actual standing in the world. This is like the ultimate semantics. The 2nd and third most powerful countries aren't considered "developed", that's hilarious. And also useless.

SubtletyRefuge posted...

Saying the most populated countries's quality of life aren't good isn't saying that the only factor in determining quality of life is population. It takes a special kind of person like you to make such mental gymnastics.

Oh so youre ready admitting that your argument has holes in it, why even bring up population if you're not going to even mention the things that affect quality of life far more? And again, why are you looking at total population rather than relating it land Mass or hell, anything other than just the meaningless total population?

When are you going to post actual sources to backup your claims? You do realize you've already exposed yourself as not being near intelligent for anyone to just take this argument on your word right? Lol so find someone that actually has a clue what they're talking about that agrees with you.
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nicklebro posted...

Lol oh I see, you're relying on some nonsensical definition that completely ignores a countries actual standing in the world. This is like the ultimate semantics. The 2nd and third most powerful countries aren't considered "developed", that's hilarious. And also useless.

lmao running away from the official definition and insisting on using his made up one because it clashes with his worldview.
It's like arguing with an anti vaxxer and flat earther. China doesn't consider themselves developed. There are city divisions, the size of US states that don't have electricity. Very developed. Russia criminalizes gays and has some of the worst human rights violating prisons.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/0dd0ab91-145a-4137-bf87-28d0498c8d56
And there's the main factor- that they have very low gdp per capita. It's not a developed country to live in if only the leaders have most of the money and quality of life. I bet you think North Korea is a developed country. Since you're using made up definition I say that the word useless when used by you only refers to your account's existence.
nicklebro posted...

Oh so youre ready admitting that your argument has holes in it, why even bring up population if you're not going to even mention the things that affect quality of life far more? And again, why are you looking at total population rather than relating it land Mass or hell, anything other than just the meaningless total population?

When are you going to post actual sources to backup your claims? You do realize you've already exposed yourself as not being near intelligent for anyone to just take this argument on your word right? Lol so find someone that actually has a clue what they're talking about that agrees with you.

My argument has no holes. It's just not one extreme to another. Noting that countries with the highest quality of life have lower populations doesn't mean "herp derp let's just reduce the world's population to 100!" The fact that the majority of the highest populated countries have lower quality of life doesn't mean "wtf so you saying population is the ONLY factor in quality of life now?" These are a 5 year old's rebuttal which is about the amount kind of brainpower you can muster.
I've already shown several statistics. Let's see you pull a source for your claims. Where's your credible citation that overpopulation is a myth by an impartial peer reviewed study.
lol trying to pull in others when everyone knows you as the king of meltdowns who routinely finds himself being warned and suspended for stupid opinions.
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Did you miss the part where no one cares about your opinion? I showed sources proving you wrong, are you going to just keep talking out your ass instead? In that case youve conceded the argument and your apology is accepted.
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nicklebro posted...

Did you miss the part where no one cares about your opinion? I showed sources proving you wrong, are you going to just keep talking out your ass instead? In that case youve conceded the argument and your apology is accepted.

So is your gimmick now just posting about yourself? You've literally shown zero sources and you're talking out your ass while I've given numerous sources. And no one cares about your opinion since you're the king of meltdowns on numerous boards here. Since you're just talking about yourself I'm going to take this as you admitting that you've conceded and are apologizing for it.
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Sad_Face posted...

Overpopulation won't be a problem as society will prevent humans from ever overpopulating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM" data-time="

That was interesting to watch. It appears with humans that some countries, like Japan, might already be moving into the 'dying phase' of the population experiment. There are already signs of the 'excess males' in humans who withdraw from social life; especially with the cited statistic earlier in the thread of 60 births per 1,000 women of reproductive age.

That has lots of interesting implications for the future of the planet. On one hand it means there might be a time when human population overall shrinks, lessening the burden on the planet and allowing other species to flourish(those that have survived to that point). It also means that people from countries at earlier points of the timeline will be increasingly ushered into areas where equilibrium is giving way to the dying phase, increasing the quality of life for those that make the move. But on the other hand, there's likely to an uptick in violence and lack of adaptability to the new reality. I wonder if otakus/weebs are looked at as humanity's version of 'the beautiful ones' who withdraw from social interaction in favor some false utopian appearance/premise for life.
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