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Darmik 05/06/18 6:59:50 PM #1:	Considering the power levels and scale of Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok this excuse surely can't hold up to scrutiny anymore. The only reason people think this about Superman is because we haven't seen a truly great Superman movie in a really long time. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900907014] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Considering the power levels and scale of Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok this excuse surely can't hold up to scrutiny anymore. The only reason people think this about Superman is because we haven't seen a truly great Superman movie in a really long time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 05/06/18 7:00:50 PM #2:	I don't understand the correlation or the point you're trying to make Are you saying Thor is as powerful as Superman? Or Thanos? --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) 2018 NFLB Summersim (1-3): https://i.imgur.com/7cjNtgQ.png <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:900907061] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand the correlation or the point you're trying to make Are you saying Thor is as powerful as Superman? Or Thanos?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 7:00:52 PM #3:	Its pretty strange how people say he's not relatable because he's Superman but can relate to Thor >_> <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900907064] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Its pretty strange how people say he's not relatable because he's Superman but can relate to Thor >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/06/18 7:00:52 PM #4:	Relatable to what? --- Is this the Krusty Krab? No this is Patrick!! <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:900907065] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Relatable to what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 7:01:47 PM #5:	It never held up. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900907115] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>It never held up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 7:02:05 PM #6:	Muffinz0rz posted... I don't understand the correlation A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900907136] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand the correlation</quote> A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 05/06/18 7:02:57 PM #7:	JE19426 posted... It never held up. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:900907184] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>It never held up.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slip-N-Slide 05/06/18 7:03:27 PM #8:	There's never been a truly great Superman movie. There hasn't ever been a The Dark Knight, a Logan, an Iron Man of Superman movies, or anywhere close. The argument still holds up that he's simply too overpowered and only having 1 primary weakness ever explored deeper in the movies with only 2 others I can think of and all 3 of them are completely impractical. --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:900907214] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>There's never been a truly great Superman movie. There hasn't ever been a The Dark Knight, a Logan, an Iron Man of Superman movies, or anywhere close. The argument still holds up that he's simply too overpowered and only having 1 primary weakness ever explored deeper in the movies with only 2 others I can think of and all 3 of them are completely impractical.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 05/06/18 7:04:02 PM #9:	Who the hell tries to relate to a fictional superhero --- Is this the Krusty Krab? No this is Patrick!! <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:900907241] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Who the hell tries to relate to a fictional superhero</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/06/18 7:04:03 PM #10:	Darmik posted... Muffinz0rz posted... I don't understand the correlation A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either. Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:900907242] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand the correlation</quote> A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either.</quote> Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ninja-Yatsu 05/06/18 7:04:32 PM #11:	It's not that he isn't relatable... It's that he's kind of bland character-wise. --- Leleportation: Teleporting away while your laughter breaks physics by lingering when you've already teleported away. <cite>Ninja-Yatsu posted [p:900907265] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>It's not that he isn't relatable... It's that he's kind of bland character-wise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 7:07:00 PM #12:	Slip-N-Slide posted... There's never been a truly great Superman movie. There hasn't ever been a The Dark Knight, a Logan, an Iron Man of Superman movies, or anywhere close. The argument still holds up that he's simply too overpowered and only having 1 primary weakness ever explored deeper in the movies with only 2 others I can think of and all 3 of them are completely impractical. Superman has plenty of villains who are on the same scale as him and can put him down. He also has plenty or villains that oppose him in other ways outside of his power. But this is generally what the movies have been relying on. darkjedilink posted... Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good. Like every superhero? You can do a lot with that concept anyway. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900907386] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote>There's never been a truly great Superman movie. There hasn't ever been a The Dark Knight, a Logan, an Iron Man of Superman movies, or anywhere close. The argument still holds up that he's simply too overpowered and only having 1 primary weakness ever explored deeper in the movies with only 2 others I can think of and all 3 of them are completely impractical.</quote> Superman has plenty of villains who are on the same scale as him and can put him down. He also has plenty or villains that oppose him in other ways outside of his power. But this is generally what the movies have been relying on. <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good.</quote> Like every superhero? You can do a lot with that concept anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 05/06/18 7:07:04 PM #13:	darkjedilink posted... Darmik posted... Muffinz0rz posted... I don't understand the correlation A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either. Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good. He can still be incredibly compelling, even as a powerful, all-good individual because he's just that: one man. Superman's best stories are those revolving around the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. See this one page from a Hitman comic: --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:900907391] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand the correlation</quote> A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either.</quote> Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good.</quote> He can still be incredibly compelling, even as a powerful, all-good individual because he's just that: one man. Superman's best stories are those revolving around the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. See this one page from a Hitman comic: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 7:08:54 PM #14:	Darmik posted... Like every superhero? No, plenty of superheroes aren't all good. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900907480] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Like every superhero? </quote> No, plenty of superheroes aren't all good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Serious Cat 05/06/18 7:10:41 PM #15:	Darmik posted... Considering the power levels and scale of Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok this excuse surely can't hold up to scrutiny anymore. Nothing Marvel does has any bearing whatsoever on my opinion about Superman. --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread <cite>Serious Cat posted [p:900907552] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Considering the power levels and scale of Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok this excuse surely can't hold up to scrutiny anymore. </quote> Nothing Marvel does has any bearing whatsoever on my opinion about Superman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ASithLord7 05/06/18 7:11:46 PM #16:	I was under the impression that that argument was less about his powers and more about his personality. Thor is 100% a related character/person (at least post-Ragnarok) --- http://i.imgur.com/VZeCB.gif RebelElite791 <cite>ASithLord7 posted [p:900907600] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>I was under the impression that that argument was less about his powers and more about his personality. Thor is 100% a related character/person (at least post-Ragnarok)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 7:15:08 PM #17:	JE19426 posted... Darmik posted... Like every superhero? No, plenty of superheroes aren't all good. Most of them are. Serious Cat posted... Darmik posted... Considering the power levels and scale of Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok this excuse surely can't hold up to scrutiny anymore. Nothing Marvel does has any bearing whatsoever on my opinion about Superman. Entirely depends on what the argument is. ASithLord7 posted... I was under the impression that that argument was less about his powers and more about his personality. Thor is 100% a related character/person (at least post-Ragnarok) Because the movies did a good job with him. He's a Norse God and they made him relatable. It would be much more difficult to accomplish this with Thor than Superman. Superman when done right is incredibly relatable. He's a optimistic farm boy who has the weight of the world on his shoulders. He's not anymore perfect than Captain America is. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900907780] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Like every superhero? </quote> No, plenty of superheroes aren't all good.</quote> Most of them are. <cite>Serious Cat posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Considering the power levels and scale of Infinity War and Thor Ragnarok this excuse surely can't hold up to scrutiny anymore. </quote> Nothing Marvel does has any bearing whatsoever on my opinion about Superman.</quote> Entirely depends on what the argument is. <cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>I was under the impression that that argument was less about his powers and more about his personality. Thor is 100% a related character/person (at least post-Ragnarok)</quote> Because the movies did a good job with him. He's a Norse God and they made him relatable. It would be much more difficult to accomplish this with Thor than Superman. Superman when done right is incredibly relatable. He's a optimistic farm boy who has the weight of the world on his shoulders. He's not anymore perfect than Captain America is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 05/06/18 7:20:19 PM #18:	Superman 1978 is incredible. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:900908015] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Superman 1978 is incredible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 7:21:38 PM #19:	Darmik posted... Most of them are. I can't think of that many that are all good. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900908072] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Most of them are. </quote> I can't think of that many that are all good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonStar 05/06/18 7:24:07 PM #20:	Superman is incredibly relatable when put in the right hands. The best Superman stories are often the ones where he struggles with problems that tend to be very human. He does strive to do "the right thing" but the questions he faces in doing so are usually fascinating. <cite>CommonStar posted [p:900908168] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Superman is incredibly relatable when put in the right hands. The best Superman stories are often the ones where he struggles with problems that tend to be very human. He does strive to do "the right thing" but the questions he faces in doing so are usually fascinating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Frosted_Midna 05/06/18 7:24:35 PM #21:	Just Superman is too boring. If he wasn't a character with the crappy powers he has, I would probably like him. --- It's more than good, it's alive! Warning: May contain stone hat pieces http://i.imgur.com/N6v5qZx.jpg <cite>Frosted_Midna posted [p:900908182] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Just Superman is too boring. If he wasn't a character with the crappy powers he has, I would probably like him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 7:26:57 PM #22:	ASithLord7 posted... I was under the impression that that argument was less about his powers and more about his personality. Thor is 100% a related character/person (at least post-Ragnarok) I don't know...I relate to Superman. I want to be that hero and I try to be that person who people can rely on. I will go through hell and back just to be someone who someone needs. I've read plenty of Superman comics and its not that bland if you read them. You say post Ragnarok like there's much to that? He's more of a person in ONE movie he's in out of ALL the movies he was in? Like...that's your comparison? Superman's personality shines in the source material and while its not at its best on the screen, its good where its at. Its why Superman was the most popular comic in DC for years. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900908307] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>I was under the impression that that argument was less about his powers and more about his personality. Thor is 100% a related character/person (at least post-Ragnarok)</quote> I don't know...I relate to Superman. I want to be that hero and I try to be that person who people can rely on. I will go through hell and back just to be someone who someone needs. I've read plenty of Superman comics and its not that bland if you read them. You say post Ragnarok like there's much to that? He's more of a person in ONE movie he's in out of ALL the movies he was in? Like...that's your comparison? Superman's personality shines in the source material and while its not at its best on the screen, its good where its at. Its why Superman was the most popular comic in DC for years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 7:28:43 PM #23:	JE19426 posted... Darmik posted... Most of them are. I can't think of that many that are all good. Spider-man Captain America Thor Vision Wonder Woman Cyclops Professor Xavier The Flash Then of course you have characters like Batman, Iron Man etc. that overall do not use their abilities to do bad things even if they are sometimes self-centered. Even then you do also have stories where Superman gets corrupted and is evil. The story. You also have stories like What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?/Superman vs the Elite that is all about the concept of Superman living in a world that wants him to be a more gritty hero. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900908382] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Most of them are. </quote> I can't think of that many that are all good.</quote> Spider-man Captain America Thor Vision Wonder Woman Cyclops Professor Xavier The Flash Then of course you have characters like Batman, Iron Man etc. that overall do not use their abilities to do bad things even if they are sometimes self-centered. Even then you do also have stories where Superman gets corrupted and is evil. The story. You also have stories like What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?/Superman vs the Elite that is all about the concept of Superman living in a world that wants him to be a more gritty hero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 7:28:58 PM #24:	Frosted_Midna posted... Just Superman is too boring. If he wasn't a character with the crappy powers he has, I would probably like him. Honestly, its not really about his powers too much when its in motion. I read a story called Men of Steel recently where Lex Luthor is captured by a man who claims he will take Darkseid's throne and Superman's powers are hardly even a speck in these issues. Fact that he was on a planet with a red sun and having to rely on his wit, that's Superman. He's not only strong and fast but he's highly intelligent, even if its not something they exploit outside his comics. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900908398] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Frosted_Midna posted...</cite> <quote>Just Superman is too boring. If he wasn't a character with the crappy powers he has, I would probably like him.</quote> Honestly, its not really about his powers too much when its in motion. I read a story called Men of Steel recently where Lex Luthor is captured by a man who claims he will take Darkseid's throne and Superman's powers are hardly even a speck in these issues. Fact that he was on a planet with a red sun and having to rely on his wit, that's Superman. He's not only strong and fast but he's highly intelligent, even if its not something they exploit outside his comics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 7:36:02 PM #25:	Darmik posted... Spider-man Standing by while a criminal runs past you is not all-good. Captain America Thor Vision Wonder Woman The Flash Those are among the few I can think of. Cyclops Professor Xavier Have you paid much attention to the X-Men series at all? Xavier's constantly altering people's minds. Cyclops pretty much started up a army of teenagers. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900908740] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Spider-man </quote> Standing by while a criminal runs past you is not all-good. <quote>Captain America Thor Vision Wonder Woman The Flash </quote> Those are among the few I can think of. <quote>Cyclops Professor Xavier </quote> Have you paid much attention to the X-Men series at all? Xavier's constantly altering people's minds. Cyclops pretty much started up a army of teenagers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonStar 05/06/18 7:37:14 PM #26:	People who call Superman boring rarely ever look at the character beyond his powers and that's a shame because he's a really great character when you actually do. <cite>CommonStar posted [p:900908792] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>People who call Superman boring rarely ever look at the character beyond his powers and that's a shame because he's a really great character when you actually do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 7:38:57 PM #27:	CommonStar posted... People who call Superman boring rarely ever look at the character beyond his powers and that's a shame because he's a really great character when you actually do. Man, word for word. I was a kid when I used to watch the cartoon and even Lois and Clark but when I got my hands on a comic book, that was where the magic happened. His villains, his relationships, the struggle to protect everyone and everything as just one man. It was all for me. Superman is my hero. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900908875] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>CommonStar posted...</cite> <quote>People who call Superman boring rarely ever look at the character beyond his powers and that's a shame because he's a really great character when you actually do.</quote> Man, word for word. I was a kid when I used to watch the cartoon and even Lois and Clark but when I got my hands on a comic book, that was where the magic happened. His villains, his relationships, the struggle to protect everyone and everything as just one man. It was all for me. Superman is my hero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 7:45:08 PM #28:	JE19426 posted... Standing by while a criminal runs past you is not all-good. That's his origin story. He wasn't even a hero at that point. Even the best superheroes have personal failings. Superman included. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900909175] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>Standing by while a criminal runs past you is not all-good.</quote> That's his origin story. He wasn't even a hero at that point. Even the best superheroes have personal failings. Superman included.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 7:47:47 PM #29:	Darmik posted... That's his origin story. He wasn't even a hero at that point. I'm not sure why you think that changes the fact he isn't all-good. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900909305] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>That's his origin story. He wasn't even a hero at that point. </quote> I'm not sure why you think that changes the fact he isn't all-good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 7:50:39 PM #30:	JE19426 posted... Darmik posted... That's his origin story. He wasn't even a hero at that point. I'm not sure why you think that changes the fact he isn't all-good. Because since then he has strived to be better and it has defined him as a character. He just fought for money at that point. He was a kid. He's not a bad person because he made one mistake that cost him dearly. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900909442] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>That's his origin story. He wasn't even a hero at that point. </quote> I'm not sure why you think that changes the fact he isn't all-good.</quote> Because since then he has strived to be better and it has defined him as a character. He just fought for money at that point. He was a kid. He's not a bad person because he made one mistake that cost him dearly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 7:53:00 PM #31:	Darmik posted... Because since then he has strived to be better and it has defined him as a character. He just fought for money at that point. He was a kid. I'm still not sure why you think that means he is all-good. He's not a bad person because he made one mistake that cost him dearly. Are you trolling? No one's claimed he's a bad person. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900909540] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Because since then he has strived to be better and it has defined him as a character. He just fought for money at that point. He was a kid. </quote> I'm still not sure why you think that means he is all-good. <quote>He's not a bad person because he made one mistake that cost him dearly. </quote> Are you trolling? No one's claimed he's a bad person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 7:54:53 PM #32:	JE19426 posted... Darmik posted... Because since then he has strived to be better and it has defined him as a character. He just fought for money at that point. He was a kid. I'm still not sure why you think that means he is all-good. He's not a bad person because he made one mistake that cost him dearly. Are you trolling? No one's claimed he's a bad person. You're claiming that he's not all-good because he made one mistake in his origin story. Parker is about as wholesome as a hero can get. If he isn't all-good neither is Superman. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900909665] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Because since then he has strived to be better and it has defined him as a character. He just fought for money at that point. He was a kid. </quote> I'm still not sure why you think that means he is all-good. <quote>He's not a bad person because he made one mistake that cost him dearly. </quote> Are you trolling? No one's claimed he's a bad person.</quote> You're claiming that he's not all-good because he made one mistake in his origin story. Parker is about as wholesome as a hero can get. If he isn't all-good neither is Superman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 7:56:43 PM #33:	Darmik posted... You're claiming that he's not all-good because he made one mistake in his origin story. Not being all-good and being a bad person aren't the same. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900909740] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>You're claiming that he's not all-good because he made one mistake in his origin story. </quote> Not being all-good and being a bad person aren't the same.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 8:01:34 PM #34:	Parker is actually pretty wholesome, over all. The recent Slott run I read seems to kinda prove it over all. In comparison, Octavius as Spider-Man was a whole different thing. In fact, it was scary how a change of pace would do... sorta like how Superboy is but honestly, I don't really like Superboy >_> <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900909975] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Parker is actually pretty wholesome, over all. The recent Slott run I read seems to kinda prove it over all. In comparison, Octavius as Spider-Man was a whole different thing. In fact, it was scary how a change of pace would do... sorta like how Superboy is but honestly, I don't really like Superboy >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rob Cesternino 05/06/18 9:17:38 PM #35:	Batman beat Superman. Actually, Batman has beat the Justice League when they went rogue on him. --- Stop asking me if I'm Jessica Simpson. Jewish girls Survivor is the greatest show EVER. are hawt <cite>Rob Cesternino posted [p:900914187] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Batman beat Superman. Actually, Batman has beat the Justice League when they went rogue on him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 05/06/18 9:20:33 PM #36:	s0nicfan posted... darkjedilink posted... Darmik posted... Muffinz0rz posted... I don't understand the correlation A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either. Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good. He can still be incredibly compelling, even as a powerful, all-good individual because he's just that: one man. Superman's best stories are those revolving around the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. See this one page from a Hitman comic: I'm not saying he doesn't have great stories - only an idiot Marvel fanboy would suggest that. I'm suggesting he isn't a very relatable character to the average comic book reader. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:900914348] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand the correlation</quote> A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either.</quote> Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good.</quote> He can still be incredibly compelling, even as a powerful, all-good individual because he's just that: one man. Superman's best stories are those revolving around the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. See this one page from a Hitman comic: </quote> I'm not saying he doesn't have great stories - only an idiot Marvel fanboy would suggest that. I'm suggesting he isn't a very relatable character to the average comic book reader.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 05/06/18 9:55:17 PM #37:	darkjedilink posted... s0nicfan posted... darkjedilink posted... Darmik posted... Muffinz0rz posted... I don't understand the correlation A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either. Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good. He can still be incredibly compelling, even as a powerful, all-good individual because he's just that: one man. Superman's best stories are those revolving around the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. See this one page from a Hitman comic: I'm not saying he doesn't have great stories - only an idiot Marvel fanboy would suggest that. I'm suggesting he isn't a very relatable character to the average comic book reader. Helping people. Wow so distant and unknowable --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:900916391] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand the correlation</quote> A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either.</quote> Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good.</quote> He can still be incredibly compelling, even as a powerful, all-good individual because he's just that: one man. Superman's best stories are those revolving around the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. See this one page from a Hitman comic: </quote> I'm not saying he doesn't have great stories - only an idiot Marvel fanboy would suggest that. I'm suggesting he isn't a very relatable character to the average comic book reader.</quote> Helping people. Wow so distant and unknowable</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 9:56:13 PM #38:	ledbowman posted... darkjedilink posted... s0nicfan posted... darkjedilink posted... Darmik posted... Muffinz0rz posted... I don't understand the correlation A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either. Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good. He can still be incredibly compelling, even as a powerful, all-good individual because he's just that: one man. Superman's best stories are those revolving around the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. See this one page from a Hitman comic: I'm not saying he doesn't have great stories - only an idiot Marvel fanboy would suggest that. I'm suggesting he isn't a very relatable character to the average comic book reader. Helping people. Wow so distant and unknowable Feeling left out. Trying to find where you belong. Man, I could never see how anyone would ever feel like an outcast. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900916442] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>ledbowman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand the correlation</quote> A lot of people argue that they can't relate to Superman because he's too powerful. People relate to characters like Thor and Thanos fine. I don't think anyone is worried this will be an issue in Captain Marvel either.</quote> Superman is more powerful than them. Also, it's not that he's unrelatable due to power. He's unrelatable because he has all that power, and is still all-good.</quote> He can still be incredibly compelling, even as a powerful, all-good individual because he's just that: one man. Superman's best stories are those revolving around the fact that he can't be everywhere at once. See this one page from a Hitman comic: </quote> I'm not saying he doesn't have great stories - only an idiot Marvel fanboy would suggest that. I'm suggesting he isn't a very relatable character to the average comic book reader.</quote> Helping people. Wow so distant and unknowable</quote> Feeling left out. Trying to find where you belong. Man, I could never see how anyone would ever feel like an outcast.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 10:27:05 PM #39:	Considering the current political climate a character like Superman is incredibly relatable and relevant today. He's an alien refugee who made a life for himself in America. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900918209] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Considering the current political climate a character like Superman is incredibly relatable and relevant today. He's an alien refugee who made a life for himself in America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Youngster_Joey_ 05/06/18 10:30:14 PM #40:	He isn't "relatable" because his movies suck ass. Thor wasn't "relatable" either until Ragnarok came out. <cite>Youngster_Joey_ posted [p:900918366] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>He isn't "relatable" because his movies suck ass. Thor wasn't "relatable" either until Ragnarok came out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kelystic 05/06/18 10:33:46 PM #41:	a wise amn once said superman is unrelatable because he can just punch all his problems away --- http://i.imgur.com/xNf1K9h.jpg <cite>Kelystic posted [p:900918590] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>a wise amn once said superman is unrelatable because he can just punch all his problems away</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 05/06/18 10:35:05 PM #42:	Kelystic posted... a wise amn once said superman is unrelatable because he can just punch all his problems away He couldn't punch ~~Turpin~~ back to life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0pcChyV6o4" data-time=" --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:900918671] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kelystic posted...</cite> <quote>a wise amn once said superman is unrelatable because he can just punch all his problems away</quote> He couldn't punch Turpin back to life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0pcChyV6o4" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 05/06/18 10:36:30 PM #43:	Goobies need to read American Alien. --- Story Lovers Welcome! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1443-writers-cafe http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:900918756] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>Goobies need to read American Alien.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BJ-blazkowics 05/06/18 10:40:17 PM #44:	ASithLord7 posted... I was under the impression that that argument was less about his powers and more about his personality. Thor is 100% a related character/person (at least post-Ragnarok) Aren't both related though? A guy with superman's attitude but not his powers would be LMAO'd to hell and back. Thor is powerful now (post Rangarok), but he's been vulnerable and gotten the shit kicked out of him before. He even lost an eye. To a girl. <cite>BJ-blazkowics posted [p:900919028] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>ASithLord7 posted...</cite> <quote>I was under the impression that that argument was less about his powers and more about his personality. Thor is 100% a related character/person (at least post-Ragnarok)</quote> Aren't both related though? A guy with superman's attitude but not his powers would be LMAO'd to hell and back. Thor is powerful now (post Rangarok), but he's been vulnerable and gotten the shit kicked out of him before. He even lost an eye. To a girl.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BJ-blazkowics 05/06/18 10:42:25 PM #45:	Darmik posted... He's a Norse God and they made him relatable He is not really a god though. Marvel uses the term god very loosely, it basically means a super human species, not unlike nameks or saiyans in dragon ball Z. <cite>BJ-blazkowics posted [p:900919151] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> He's a Norse God and they made him relatable</quote> He is not really a god though. Marvel uses the term god very loosely, it basically means a super human species, not unlike nameks or saiyans in dragon ball Z.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/06/18 10:46:42 PM #46:	dameon_reaper posted... Its pretty strange how people say he's not relatable because he's Superman but can relate to Thor >_> thor has a personality and has lost fights before. supermans entire gimmick is that he can "overcome anything" --- http://www.imgur.com/oQHLBrx.jpg http://www.imgur.com/ah5IE8D.jpg http://www.imgur.com/USV84z9.jpg http://www.imgur.com/PSjlohO.jpg <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:900919415] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>dameon_reaper posted...</cite> <quote>Its pretty strange how people say he's not relatable because he's Superman but can relate to Thor >_></quote> thor has a personality and has lost fights before. supermans entire gimmick is that he can "overcome anything"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 05/06/18 10:50:14 PM #47:	He's never going to be relatable though. Superman is basically a living, breathing plot device. He's always exactly as strong as he needs to be to tell the story and has few if any legitimate character flaws so they can use someone trying to create one in him as drama. Note that I'm not saying this is bad, it's just very obvious your average person isn't going to go "Yeah, I know how supes felt there" in most stories. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:900919594] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote>He's never going to be relatable though. Superman is basically a living, breathing plot device. He's always exactly as strong as he needs to be to tell the story and has few if any legitimate character flaws so they can use someone trying to create one in him as drama. Note that I'm not saying this is bad, it's just very obvious your average person isn't going to go "Yeah, I know how supes felt there" in most stories.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 05/06/18 11:03:03 PM #48:	Rika_Furude posted... dameon_reaper posted... Its pretty strange how people say he's not relatable because he's Superman but can relate to Thor >_> thor has a personality and has lost fights before. supermans entire gimmick is that he can "overcome anything" Superman has lost fights before R_Jackal posted... He's never going to be relatable though. Superman is basically a living, breathing plot device. He's always exactly as strong as he needs to be to tell the story and has few if any legitimate character flaws so they can use someone trying to create one in him as drama. Note that I'm not saying this is bad, it's just very obvious your average person isn't going to go "Yeah, I know how supes felt there" in most stories. This is kind of an issue with most superheroes and they're fine. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:900920264] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rika_Furude posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dameon_reaper posted...</cite> <quote>Its pretty strange how people say he's not relatable because he's Superman but can relate to Thor >_></quote> thor has a personality and has lost fights before. supermans entire gimmick is that he can "overcome anything"</quote> Superman has lost fights before <cite>R_Jackal posted...</cite> <quote>He's never going to be relatable though. Superman is basically a living, breathing plot device. He's always exactly as strong as he needs to be to tell the story and has few if any legitimate character flaws so they can use someone trying to create one in him as drama. Note that I'm not saying this is bad, it's just very obvious your average person isn't going to go "Yeah, I know how supes felt there" in most stories.</quote> This is kind of an issue with most superheroes and they're fine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
R_Jackal 05/06/18 11:10:03 PM #49:	Darmik posted... This is kind of an issue with most superheroes and they're fine. Eh, many "superheroes", primarily the street level ones, tend to have flaws or conflicts of morality to spur on their stories. Superman is more or less the "point A to B" kind of storytelling, and his true moments of weakness usually result in his "death" in some way, or retreat to come back super OP. I will say though, I like Superman because of that. Sometimes it's refreshing to not have all the drama. Superman is fine honestly, he's just easy to hate on. <cite>R_Jackal posted [p:900920606] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote> This is kind of an issue with most superheroes and they're fine.</quote> Eh, many "superheroes", primarily the street level ones, tend to have flaws or conflicts of morality to spur on their stories. Superman is more or less the "point A to B" kind of storytelling, and his true moments of weakness usually result in his "death" in some way, or retreat to come back super OP. I will say though, I like Superman because of that. Sometimes it's refreshing to not have all the drama. Superman is fine honestly, he's just easy to hate on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dampproof 05/06/18 11:29:26 PM #50:	Darmik posted... Parker is about as wholesome as a hero can get. If he isn't all-good neither is Superman. The dude who literally made a deal with the Devil to escape responsibilities for his own actions which not only affected his own life but countless others. --- "Cyberspace is - or can be - a good, friendly and egalitarian place to meet." - Douglas Adams <cite>Dampproof posted [p:900921640] in The whole ... [t:76584377]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>Parker is about as wholesome as a hero can get. If he isn't all-good neither is Superman.</quote> The dude who literally made a deal with the Devil to escape responsibilities for his own actions which not only affected his own life but countless others.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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