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St_Kevin
05/03/18 6:07:15 AM
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He's getting subpoenaed for something
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BlackScythe0
05/03/18 6:10:22 AM
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Well his lawyer who was in charge of dealing with the investigation is out and he just got a lawyer who represented Clinton in his impeachment...

Seems like there might be a reason for that.
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gguirao
05/03/18 1:37:51 PM
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I hope so, but realistically, no. After all the stupid things he's been defended for, I don't think this will stop him.
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Ogurisama
05/03/18 1:42:04 PM
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If anything he wont win the 2020 election, thats it.

But then again, everyone said he wouldn't even get the primary originally
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Andromicus
05/03/18 1:45:10 PM
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Cheating media wants you to think that, they want you to forget about his tremendous achievements and incredible performance!
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SushiSquid
05/03/18 3:06:33 PM
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I kind of hope the doesn't get impeached, at least not unless there's evidence that his whole campaign was corrupt. It's been bad with Trump as President, but Pence would be worse. Trump is just crazy, but Pence is evil.
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blorfenburger
05/03/18 3:08:14 PM
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Honestly I was assured he would be president when that grab em by the pussy thing came out. And how he still kept going.
He could probably do anything and he's still going to get his 2 terms
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Foppe
05/03/18 3:12:59 PM
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I have been fighting fake news and traitors since I became President, and yet I managed to make America better. Now I know how to get things done while still fighting fake news, so think how much better I can make America if I get another term.
Let's make America great again!

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Mead
05/03/18 3:20:29 PM
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Itll all be determined by this midterm election

If Democrats take majority theyll throw him out. If Republicans hold on to enough seats theyll say that theyre very troubled by allegations/conclusions, or say that they take the president at his word, and pretend to be looking at something in another room for a few years.
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ForteEXE3850
05/03/18 4:23:47 PM
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They've been trying to get Trump impeached since day 1.

Besides, actually impeaching him would be terrible, even if you hate Trump, this means the establishment won't allow anyone out of there choosing to be President even after they screwed up the extremely biased election themselves by being far too obvious about how manipulative the process was.

I'd be a clear "vote for who we tell you to vote for or well just impeach the other person anyway if you don't".
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streamofthesky
05/03/18 5:33:30 PM
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SushiSquid posted...
I kind of hope the doesn't get impeached, at least not unless there's evidence that his whole campaign was corrupt. It's been bad with Trump as President, but Pence would be worse. Trump is just crazy, but Pence is evil.

Agreed.

I'd also rather it not happen just yet. Rewarding the Republicans for screwing over the country by handing them their choice pick of president (would have been Ayn Rand Dystopian Hellhole Enthusiast Paul Ryan; now it'll be some even further-right nutjob they're picking knowing full well he could end up being president quite easily) since Speaker of the House is next in line is also rather distasteful.
If Democrats win the House this year, then one of them would at least be next in line.

"Don't reward traitors."
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shadowsword87
05/03/18 5:37:56 PM
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Y'all know that the justice system isn't the same thing as the political system, right?
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streamofthesky
05/03/18 5:40:48 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Y'all know that the justice system isn't the same thing as the political system, right?

Unfortunately, impeachment very much is political.

I doubt someone as rich and powerful as Trump would ever actually go to prison, doing anything short of literal murder or r-word (rhymes with tape; merely using the word draws a moderation on this forum, no matter what).
And even then, he'd probably not.
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shadowsword87
05/03/18 5:48:25 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Unfortunately, impeachment very much is political.

I doubt someone as rich and powerful as Trump would ever actually go to prison, doing anything short of literal murder or r-word (rhymes with tape; merely using the word draws a moderation on this forum, no matter what).
And even then, he'd probably not.


It is political, but it's not as if it's decided by having more Republicans or Democrats around, it just makes things more tense. If the investigation uses the wrong data, uses the wrong language, or uses the wrong filing, everything could be just sort of scrapped by sloppy work on either side (which is assuming there is something wrong).

Also, if you have a tape of Trump murdering someone, and you can prove that it was Trump, you really should contact the department of justice so they can make another case.

Here's the thing, Trump's lawyers office was raided, that's not a fucking small deal. Despite what people think about lawyers, they do take lawyer-client confidentiality very seriously, if the confidentiality is there (if it's not, well, you're shit out of luck). It's similar to a doctor violating HIPAA.
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Zeus
05/03/18 6:17:30 PM
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St_Kevin posted...
He's getting subpoenaed for something


Probably irrelevant. A subpoena doesn't mean that you're the subject of the investigation, it more likely is to get information about Cohen.

BlackScythe0 posted...
Well his lawyer who was in charge of dealing with the investigation is out and he just got a lawyer who represented Clinton in his impeachment...

Seems like there might be a reason for that.


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Mead posted...
Itll all be determined by this midterm election

If Democrats take majority theyll throw him out. If Republicans hold on to enough seats theyll say that theyre very troubled by allegations/conclusions, or say that they take the president at his word, and pretend to be looking at something in another room for a few years.


You need more than the majority. It requires a 2/3s vote to convict. You're just never going to get enough people unless a president is guilty beyond all doubt of an egregious crime. Clinton gave any number of women a #MeToo moment and, even after being caught lying under oath (the same crime that some Trump campaigners have been convicted of), was still able to serve out his term. Honestly, even Nixon probably could have coasted by.

ForteEXE3850 posted...
They've been trying to get Trump impeached since day 1.


Pretty much, especially since they couldn't stop him from winning.

shadowsword87 posted...
Here's the thing, Trump's lawyers office was raided, that's not a fucking small deal. Despite what people think about lawyers, they do take lawyer-client confidentiality very seriously, if the confidentiality is there (if it's not, well, you're shit out of luck). It's similar to a doctor violating HIPAA.


It's not the kind of deal that you think, considering that the investigation is going after Cohen. And specifically the raid is mostly possibly because they're claiming that attorney-client privilege doesn't protect Cohen's activities which are the issues at hand.
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Bacon_Pancakes
05/03/18 6:19:34 PM
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Nah. Done what? Eating dinner? Context.
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Revelation34
05/03/18 7:01:52 PM
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Nothing will happen. You also wouldn't want him to be out since Pence would replace him.
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BADoglick
05/03/18 7:19:33 PM
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Trump will be ousted the same day Hillary is locked up.
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waterdeepchu
05/03/18 7:19:54 PM
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It does seem that Trump may have committed some very serious crimes. And if its proven he did so knowingly, the Republicans would have no choice but to remove him from office in order to maintain any credibility.
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Zeus
05/03/18 8:50:06 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Nothing will happen. You also wouldn't want him to be out since Pence would replace him.


Drama!

waterdeepchu posted...
It does seem that Trump may have committed some very serious crimes.


Based on...?
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Revelation34
05/03/18 8:56:05 PM
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waterdeepchu posted...
It does seem that Trump may have committed some very serious crimes. And if its proven he did so knowingly, the Republicans would have no choice but to remove him from office in order to maintain any credibility.


Having adulterous sex isn't a serious crime. It isn't even a crime in most places now.
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shadowsword87
05/03/18 8:57:16 PM
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Zeus posted...
It's not the kind of deal that you think, considering that the investigation is going after Cohen. And specifically the raid is mostly possibly because they're claiming that attorney-client privilege doesn't protect Cohen's activities which are the issues at hand.


Listen to an actual lawyer about how often this right is wavered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1CKjXloxXo" data-time="
((Also, this video is just great))

This isn't some minor thing you can just throw under the rug, this had to be accepted by a federal judge.

Revelation34 posted...
Having adulterous sex isn't a serious crime.


You are 100% right, having adulterous sex isn't a crime.
Lying about it is though.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/03/18 8:58:14 PM
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I kind of wanted him to win then get impeached, so this is sort of amusing to me. America needs a mulligan. Bad.
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Xialoh
05/03/18 8:59:30 PM
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I'm actually going to vote for him this time around just because this whole Stormy Daniels shit pisses me off.

I give not one fuck about whether or not he slept with some pornstar over a fucking decade ago. Nor do I care if the billionaire paid her to be quiet.
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Revelation34
05/03/18 9:01:50 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
You are 100% right, having adulterous sex isn't a crime.
Lying about it is though.


No it isn't.
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Red_Frog
05/03/18 9:08:13 PM
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Zeus posted...
waterdeepchu posted...
It does seem that Trump may have committed some very serious crimes.

Based on...?

Crucified phalanges.
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Zeus
05/03/18 9:26:55 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Zeus posted...
It's not the kind of deal that you think, considering that the investigation is going after Cohen. And specifically the raid is mostly possibly because they're claiming that attorney-client privilege doesn't protect Cohen's activities which are the issues at hand.


Listen to an actual lawyer about how often this right is wavered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1CKjXloxXo" data-time="
((Also, this video is just great))

This isn't some minor thing you can just throw under the rug, this had to be accepted by a federal judge.


Again, Cohen is the subject of the investigation, not Trump. If Trump was the subject of the investigation and they raided Cohen's offices to pursue that investigation, that would be a fundamental violation of attorney-client and absolutely illegal. The sign of guilt there would be that the government agency was wholly corrupt because that's some third-world shit. Instead, this is about Cohen and the fact that you're a lawyer with clients doesn't mean that you yourself are going to be immune to laws (and, in fact, one of the biggest points of contention being used to justify this is that Cohen wasn't acting in a legal capacity)

As for your 15 minute video featuring just some lawyer who has a youtube channel, you really need to present shorter, more to the point sources

shadowsword87 posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Having adulterous sex isn't a serious crime.


You are 100% right, having adulterous sex isn't a crime.
Lying about it is though.


...except it isn't either, with the possible exception of lying under oath which, as we saw with Clinton, has no real ramifications.
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Bulbasaur
05/03/18 9:47:07 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
No it isn't.

you should probably read up on how clinton was almost impeached
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Zeus
05/04/18 1:03:02 AM
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Bulbasaur posted...
Revelation34 posted...
No it isn't.

you should probably read up on how clinton was almost impeached


Damnit, Muffinz. Did you grab that name?
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TsC_PoLiTiKz
05/04/18 1:12:30 AM
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Zeus posted...
shadowsword87 posted...
Zeus posted...
It's not the kind of deal that you think, considering that the investigation is going after Cohen. And specifically the raid is mostly possibly because they're claiming that attorney-client privilege doesn't protect Cohen's activities which are the issues at hand.


Listen to an actual lawyer about how often this right is wavered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1CKjXloxXo" data-time="
((Also, this video is just great))

This isn't some minor thing you can just throw under the rug, this had to be accepted by a federal judge.


Again, Cohen is the subject of the investigation, not Trump. If Trump was the subject of the investigation and they raided Cohen's offices to pursue that investigation, that would be a fundamental violation of attorney-client and absolutely illegal. The sign of guilt there would be that the government agency was wholly corrupt because that's some third-world shit. Instead, this is about Cohen and the fact that you're a lawyer with clients doesn't mean that you yourself are going to be immune to laws (and, in fact, one of the biggest points of contention being used to justify this is that Cohen wasn't acting in a legal capacity)

As for your 15 minute video featuring just some lawyer who has a youtube channel, you really need to present shorter, more to the point sources

shadowsword87 posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Having adulterous sex isn't a serious crime.


You are 100% right, having adulterous sex isn't a crime.
Lying about it is though.


...except it isn't either, with the possible exception of lying under oath which, as we saw with Clinton, has no real ramifications.



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Zeus
05/05/18 2:23:43 PM
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TsC_PoLiTiKz posted...
Zeus posted...
shadowsword87 posted...
Zeus posted...
It's not the kind of deal that you think, considering that the investigation is going after Cohen. And specifically the raid is mostly possibly because they're claiming that attorney-client privilege doesn't protect Cohen's activities which are the issues at hand.


Listen to an actual lawyer about how often this right is wavered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1CKjXloxXo" data-time="
((Also, this video is just great))

This isn't some minor thing you can just throw under the rug, this had to be accepted by a federal judge.


Again, Cohen is the subject of the investigation, not Trump. If Trump was the subject of the investigation and they raided Cohen's offices to pursue that investigation, that would be a fundamental violation of attorney-client and absolutely illegal. The sign of guilt there would be that the government agency was wholly corrupt because that's some third-world shit. Instead, this is about Cohen and the fact that you're a lawyer with clients doesn't mean that you yourself are going to be immune to laws (and, in fact, one of the biggest points of contention being used to justify this is that Cohen wasn't acting in a legal capacity)

As for your 15 minute video featuring just some lawyer who has a youtube channel, you really need to present shorter, more to the point sources

shadowsword87 posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Having adulterous sex isn't a serious crime.


You are 100% right, having adulterous sex isn't a crime.
Lying about it is though.


...except it isn't either, with the possible exception of lying under oath which, as we saw with Clinton, has no real ramifications.




Because apparently TSC thinks that you can just raid lawyers' offices when they're not the subject of an investigation. That's probably why the prosecution raids law offices all the time, right?
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Mead
05/05/18 2:27:51 PM
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Mueller has already stated that Trump is a subject(not target) of the investigation

Is there any limit to what you dont know @Zeus
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Zeus
05/05/18 2:42:42 PM
#33:


Mead posted...
Mueller has already stated that Trump is a subject(not target) of the investigation

Is there any limit to what you dont know @Zeus


@Mead Is there any limit to the nonsense you try to pull over petty semantics? You knew what I meant, that Cohen was the guy actually being investigated, yet pull your patented, Mead-brand bullshit all the same.
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Mead
05/05/18 2:44:31 PM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Mueller has already stated that Trump is a subject(not target) of the investigation

Is there any limit to what you dont know @Zeus


Mead Is there any limit to the nonsense you try to pull over petty semantics? You knew what I meant, that Cohen was the guy actually being investigated, yet pull your nonsense all the same.


Trump is also being investigated, there can be more than one subject of an investigation how do you act so pretentious while not even having a basic understanding of things, to be frank in all fairness to be honest lol
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Zeus
05/05/18 2:49:58 PM
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Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Mueller has already stated that Trump is a subject(not target) of the investigation

Is there any limit to what you dont know Zeus


@Mead Is there any limit to the nonsense you try to pull over petty semantics? You knew what I meant, that Cohen was the guy actually being investigated, yet pull your nonsense all the same.


Trump is also being investigated, there can be more than one subject of an investigation how do you act so pretentious while not even having a basic understanding of things, to be frank in all fairness to be honest lol


But they're not raiding Cohen's offices because Trump is being investigated, they're raiding them because COHEN is being investigated. And any investigation into Trump (over this matter, anyway) is specifically due to the investigation into Cohen. I'm not sure if you're trying to purposefully obfuscate or if you're just that genuinely ignorant on these matters.
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Mead
05/05/18 2:52:31 PM
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Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Zeus posted...
Mead posted...
Mueller has already stated that Trump is a subject(not target) of the investigation

Is there any limit to what you dont know Zeus


@Mead Is there any limit to the nonsense you try to pull over petty semantics? You knew what I meant, that Cohen was the guy actually being investigated, yet pull your nonsense all the same.


Trump is also being investigated, there can be more than one subject of an investigation how do you act so pretentious while not even having a basic understanding of things, to be frank in all fairness to be honest lol


But they're not raiding Cohen's offices because Trump is being investigated, they're raiding them because COHEN is being investigated. And any investigation into Trump (over this matter, anyway) is specifically due to the investigation into Cohen. I'm not sure if you're trying to purposefully obfuscate or if you're just that genuinely ignorant on these matters.


Theyre part of the same investigation dude

Have you even watched Law and Order
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kobalobasileus
05/05/18 4:55:24 PM
#37:


SushiSquid posted...
I kind of hope the doesn't get impeached, at least not unless there's evidence that his whole campaign was corrupt. It's been bad with Trump as President, but Pence would be worse. Trump is just crazy, but Pence is evil.

You misspelled "evangelical," but I agree with your sentiment.
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coinstarcad
05/05/18 5:19:10 PM
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Trump is not done for. He has an uncanny ability that no recent past president had where he can get away with tons of shenanigans. His public image shows a person that sidesteps rules and fibs so often that it's no surprise to supporters and critics that he's been involved in corrupt business practices. Seems like it's expected from him, actually.
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TheCyborgNinja
05/05/18 7:16:20 PM
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Everyone considering you an unscrupulous scumbag certainly makes it easier to get away with unpopular things.
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