Board 8 > I saw Avengers...*spoilers*

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And I mean Infinity Wars. The new one in theaters

because apparently theres room for confusion according to Rock here

anyways

All I can say is I was speechless afterwards

Sure, theres analysis, critiques, nitpicks, remembering your favorite scenes\lines, mentioning what you liked

etc

I couldn't even do THAT

I was just sitting there in the theater with my mouth open

I cannot believe what I saw. I can't even process if the movie was good

okay it was. but still.

what the FUCK man!

I even slept on it and I still can't come up with much to talk about. Its an experience

Spoilers from here on out


Spiderman dying absolutely broke my heart. Tom Holland really did a good job portraying a scared kid
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The first one? Took you like 6 years.
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also what the hell was up with Red Skull?

its like someone randomly remembered "Oh yea, that guy, we gotta tie that up"

I'm aware he just "disappeared" and the light may or may not have been similar to the bifrost light

but still, how did this happen?

Did the stone have sentience? Who made him the stone's bitch?

I don't get it. He should've just teleported there and starved to death
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Punnyz posted...

Spiderman dying absolutely broke my heart. Tom Holland really did a good job portraying a scared kid

Yeah I swear to god. Those absolute bastards.

Your reaction was similar to mine. Hands were shaking for an hour afterwards and didn't trust myself to drive.
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Punnyz posted...

also what the hell was up with Red Skull?

its like someone randomly remembered "Oh yea, that guy, we gotta tie that up"

I'm aware he just "disappeared" and the light may or may not have been similar to the bifrost light

but still, how did this happen?

Did the stone have sentience? Who made him the stone's bitch?

I don't get it. He should've just teleported there and starved to death

From what he said it seemed like the Tesseract sent him there and imparted the knowledge of how to get to the Soul Stone knowing he couldn't ever get it himself as punishment for being a dick. Might be semi sentient like the one in Vision's head.

Not sure how he's still alive and all floaty though.
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Also Making Peter Dinklage a giant midget

I can't help but feel hey didn't tell him that and did it in post
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Also at my work

we received a funko pop of Hulk breaking out of a Hulkbuster

so I was pissed that I got spoiled from a toy

but the only thing that got spoiled was Bruce being in one

Hulk didn't emerge from it at all
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Punnyz posted...

Also at my work

we received a funko pop of Hulk breaking out of a Hulkbuster

so I was pissed that I got spoiled from a toy

but the only thing that got spoiled was Bruce being in one

Hulk didn't emerge from it at all

He did originally...

For whatever reason they cut out an entire fight in the forest...

If you watch the first 2 trailers you see this AWESOME shot with Hulk, Thor, Captain, Scarlet, BP and a few others running at towards the screen, and then War Machine flying behind them rapidly catching up and as he arrives and all are on screen simultaneously it goes to the Avengers theme and the Big A. That part of the forest fight wasn't in the movie at all.
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There's a ton of things in the trailers that wasn't in the movie. And other things that were in the movie were deliberately edited. I get the feeling they probably shot some stuff just for the trailers to keep people surprised.

That might explain why Sebastian Stan was running so weirdly in that one shot.
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Well they've been shooting and reshooting for years for this movie. It's no surprise that there was a lot left on the cutting room floor.

Anyhow, aside from a couple of scenes, the movie was pretty thoroughly mediocre.
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This movie has the Metal Gear 4 thing going on

its so crazy and epic, I feel like its blinding me because of whats going on

I'd have to rewatch it...maybe a few more time s>_>

but with that said, I don't think i'd ever call it Mediocre
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Punnyz posted...

This movie has the Metal Gear 4 thing going on

its so crazy and epic, I feel like its blinding me because of whats going on

I'd have to rewatch it...maybe a few more time s>_>

but with that said, I don't think i'd ever call it Mediocre

Well put
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It was certainly a tour de force. I absolutely adored the juggling act of not only handling so, so many characters, but doing them all so supremely well. A lot of pop culture comparisons run through my mind: Empire Strikes Back, The Leftovers, The Two Towers, Doctor Who, specifically that one David Tennant scene ... but the one that I'm throwing forward is Lost for my point of reference topic.

Without spoiling anything, Lost was a show with lots of dangling plot threads and mysteries and a giant, giant cast of characters. The biggest failings of Lost were not knowing when to corral itself and solve things as they set more things up, keep focus on characters and characterization, and let the plot happen instead of forcing things.

Infinity War took ten years worth of movies, characters, relationships, tones, and plots and juggled them masterfully. Every single character had an establishing scene where we knew who they were and what they were about without an info dump so even those who hadn't watched before could follow at least 70% of what was going on.

Every single character had something that showed why you cared about them and their character worth to the universe, and how devastating the final minutes were.

I also really, really want to praise that opening scene for establishing so much and setting the tone so perfectly. You have call backs to the first Avengers with Thor, Loki, and Hulk and we just see how out of depth these once most powerful characters were against Thanos, and see how much of a force Thands is what impossible odds they're in for. Loki, the big bad of the Avengers, is tossed aside with such utter ease.

Gosh, this movie is just amazing. I may be blinded a bit by how much thee was offered up and I'm still digesting, but it just had everything done so well. It feels like an even more impossible movie than the first Avengers.
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I felt Loki acted a bit uncharacteristically

They probably did that so he wouldn't have a prolonged role because he probably could've aided the heroes pretty well

but I imagined under normal circumstances he would've joined Thanos and tried to bring him down from the inside (if he was truly aligned with Thor)

or Truly joined Thanos

him straight up trying to assault Thanos is...just odd
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They probably wanted to kick things off with a major death, wanted Thor and Hulk to live, and correctly thought that Heimdall wasn't important enough for his death to matter to the audience.
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Yeah, I was hoping Loki was going to fulfill the role of Mephisto from the comics...

Also I guess a lot of people don't read as many comics as I do, because a lot of people were throw off by the deaths or called it a tonal shift or something. >_> Not a value judgement, it was probably more surprising that way, but to me it was like "Yeah, these things happen in big event series" and it wasn't particularly shocking at all.. I was kind of thinking the "snap" was during a bit of a crowded shot tbh; he was still wrestling with Thor and it was sort of off to the bottom left of the screen. Would have liked more of a focus on it; just one slow, big evil grin on a Thanos standing there..and a closeup.
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Loki's probably still alive. He had a million years to come up with an illusion at that point
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FakeAccount3000 posted...

Yeah, I was hoping Loki was going to fulfill the role of Mephisto from the comics...

Also I guess a lot of people don't read as many comics as I do, because a lot of people were throw off by the deaths or called it a tonal shift or something. >_> Not a value judgement, it was probably more surprising that way, but to me it was like "Yeah, these things happen in big event series" and it wasn't particularly shocking at all.. I was kind of thinking the "snap" was during a bit of a crowded shot tbh; he was still wrestling with Thor and it was sort of off to the bottom left of the screen. Would have liked more of a focus on it; just one slow, big evil grin on a Thanos standing there..and a closeup.

I mean, in fairness, we've had multiple Avengers movies and big event movies before. The biggest death so far is... Yondu? Odin? Has there been a real main character who wasn't a mentor/parent/villain to die before this movie? Discounting all of Captain America's WWII friends who presumably died off-screen.
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No, I mean, I agree, in retrospect I can understand this from a moviegoer non comic reader kind of person. This isn't how Marvel movies have gone before. I just, as a massive comic reader I guess I always kind of knew they could have gone this way at any time. Especially during this story. >_>

I've seen people rip each other literally in half in a two page spread in a Marvel comic though, I mean, I guess I'm jaded.
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Just watched it again with some friends

children were crying when the credits started
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So I'm not familiar with Ms Marvel

Good ol Nicky Jackson saw that there was an even BIGGER invasion coming, then saw people being vaporized, and PROBABLY assumed the Avengers failed

and desperately tried calling her for help before dying

but my question is

what the hell can she do?

Is she omnipotent?

Can she warp reality?

I mean, All I know is Rogue stole her powers, and Rogue is pretty strong and can fly, but I don't feel like shes much more different than any of the other heroes that are in the MCU
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Rogue stole her old powers. She got new ones, which are her current set. She's one of the stronger Marvel superheroes. As well as flight and super strength, she has a sixth sense and can breath in space. Her main power is that she can absorb energy infinitely and fire it back. If she absorbs too much energy, she goes 'Binary' which puts her powers on a cosmic level.

So, yeah, she's who you want to punch Thanos, basically.
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Captain Marvel should be pretty rad just because they want to go full 90s action movie with it and that sounds awesome.

Plus 90s Nick Fury (with both eyes so he's totally losing his eye in CM) and my dude Coulson.
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Murphiroth posted...

Captain Marvel should be pretty rad just because they want to go full 90s action movie with it and that sounds awesome.

Plus 90s Nick Fury (with both eyes so he's totally losing his eye in CM) and my dude Coulson.

Coulson is one of the (few) highlights in the current SHIELD season so I'm so hype to see him back in the movies.
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Current SHIELD season is fantastic overall though!
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The question is if they are going to retcon a lot of stuff in AoS because of that movie. Like, Coulson shouldn't know anything about the Kree right? But they are going to be a big part of the plot
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Oh hey I just realized something

that one redneck guy was absent in the Guardians

Yondu's righthand man?
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Kraglin. I assume he's back with the Ravagers/that was an easy way to just not have him show up. I could see him potentially being involved in 4 in some way since Nebula/Rocket are still around and probably need help.
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Grand Kirby posted...

The question is if they are going to retcon a lot of stuff in AoS because of that movie. Like, Coulson shouldn't know anything about the Kree right? But they are going to be a big part of the plot

They've known about the Kree since the late 1940s when Peggy and the Howling Commandos retrieved a Kree body from Whitehall. Not necessarily what they were but that there were aliens. So I don't necessarily think it would need a retcon. Although I don't recall if Coulson knew it was specifically a Kree until later. If so yeah that might cause a conflict. Gotta go watch the stuff with his resurrection again.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see someone revived or healed with Kree blood in the film leading to Fury starting TAHITI.
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They ended GotG volume 2 with Kraglin on a big ravager ship, but they were just on Starlords ship heading to the distress beacon in Infinity War. Either they've parted ways with Kraglin or they just left him and the big ship behind on the way to the distress beacon.
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Wasn't there a time skip after the end of GotG 2? It's probably been a few years since they left him.
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Anagram posted...

They probably wanted to kick things off with a major death, wanted Thor and Hulk to live, and correctly thought that Heimdall wasn't important enough for his death to matter to the audience.

HashtagSEP posted...

Kraglin. I assume he's back with the Ravagers/that was an easy way to just not have him show up. I could see him potentially being involved in 4 in some way since Nebula/Rocket are still around and probably need help.

It's weird though because I distinctly remember Sean Gunn's name in the credits, and blinking trying to figure out when Kirk showed up in some form. Maybe a deleted scene?
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Mega Mana posted...

Anagram posted...

They probably wanted to kick things off with a major death, wanted Thor and Hulk to live, and correctly thought that Heimdall wasn't important enough for his death to matter to the audience.

HashtagSEP posted...

Kraglin. I assume he's back with the Ravagers/that was an easy way to just not have him show up. I could see him potentially being involved in 4 in some way since Nebula/Rocket are still around and probably need help.

It's weird though because I distinctly remember Sean Gunn's name in the credits, and blinking trying to figure out when Kirk showed up in some form. Maybe a deleted scene?

He does the mocap for Rocket.

IIRC GotG2 was in 2014 so it's been four years since then. Who knows what Kraglin's up to, although I'd hope he's at least somewhat proficient with Yondu's arrow now!
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As an aside, this is probably the most anyone has ever talked about Kraglin.
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Murphiroth posted...

Mega Mana posted...

Anagram posted...

They probably wanted to kick things off with a major death, wanted Thor and Hulk to live, and correctly thought that Heimdall wasn't important enough for his death to matter to the audience.

HashtagSEP posted...

Kraglin. I assume he's back with the Ravagers/that was an easy way to just not have him show up. I could see him potentially being involved in 4 in some way since Nebula/Rocket are still around and probably need help.

It's weird though because I distinctly remember Sean Gunn's name in the credits, and blinking trying to figure out when Kirk showed up in some form. Maybe a deleted scene?

He does the mocap for Rocket.

Ah, yes, I forgot Sean Gunn was still doing all the jobs in Star-Lord's Hollow.

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...Rewatching that in the context of remembering his mocap as Rocket... I now want to see Rocket Raccoon doing that entire dance.
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IW takes place 4 years after GotG2, so there's enough time to have ways for Kraglin to be off somewhere else.

Actually, it's kind of funny to think that apparently nothing interesting happened to the Guardians in those years. They had two great big adventures and then just kind of chilled out until Thanos started getting to work.
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My general assumption is that theyve been up to all kinds of crazy shit in those years. We just don't need to see it happening. Like that giant monster they fight in the GotG Vol 2 opening, that's just a Tuesday for them. They do that stuff all the time.
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Just finished watching it and.... wow.

I... don't even know what to say. The sheer hopelessness of that ending. Seeing everyone's best efforts mean absolutely nothing, seeing all those people die and there being absolutely nothing to stop it all.
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saw it yesterday

theories for avengers 4

this is all part of strange's "one" successful future

he bargains for stark's life because stark has to invent some time travel tech

the surviving avengers (cap, hulk, black widow, iron man, scarlet witch (?) and thor) go back in time to grab the infinity stones

each one holds one infinity stone, and they beat thanos that way, showing that a team united is better than one person with all the power

they still all die, but the timeline gets fixed so everyone is also alive

gamora lives because she's "inside" the soul stone

loki, vision, heimdall are dead for good. also cap dies for good.

Vision is absolutely coming back early/towards the middle-ish of the next movie. They specifically set up a rationale for him to survive without the gem in this movie.
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I suspect the bargain for Tony's life is because Tony will need to sacrifice himself to save the day and because RDJ wants out.
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Anagram posted...

I suspect the bargain for Tony's life is because Tony will need to sacrifice himself to save the day and because RDJ wants out.

yeah maybe but

I honestly think avengers 4 ends with tony and pepper getting married. I feel like cap or tony will die, and it makes more sense for cap to die. tony and pepper go off to (for real) live peacefully retired from superheroing. the truly happy ending of avengers 4 is the counterbalance to IW's direness. book it

Punnyz posted...

Just watched it again with some friends

children were crying when the credits started

Hell I was crying

Avengers 4 theories:
This is clearly Doctor Strange's one successful future. My guess is, they needed to let Thanos have the stone because the only one who could stop him was Captain Marvel, so they needed to let Thanos do the finger snap so Nick Fury would summon her. Bargaining for Tony's life must be part of it (because Strange specifically said he WOULDN'T do that earlier and I don't think he just fell in love with Tony since then), but I don't know how. Either Tony, or possibly Nebula, still have some important role to play, or it could just simply be that they needed to not have anyone get killed fighting Thanos because that way "half the people in the universe" remaining alive was a slightly larger number and if it were any lower, Captain Marvel would have been one of the ones to vanish.

I also think it seems likely that Tony will work with Eitri in Avengers 4 to make the Iron Destroyer armor from the Fear Itself event. His IW armor is based on the design that got upgraded to the Iron Destroyer in the comics, and we've introduced Eitri and Nidavellir. Plus Thor said that regular people weren't strong enough to wield the Asgardian weapons and survive so it'd give Tony a chance to go out in a blaze of glory since RDJ's contract is up. And it'd be a good callback to the Destroyer in the first Thor movie and the Destroyer-based weapons in the first Avengers movie.
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I wonder if they'll do something interesting with Wakanda having a leadership crisis, or if they'll just say "Black Panther's sister took over until everyone got revived."
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Anagram posted...

I wonder if they'll do something interesting with Wakanda having a leadership crisis, or if they'll just say "Black Panther's sister took over until everyone got revived."

She'll be busy getting Vision back up and running. M'Baku should lead.
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Just saw, it was entertaining but felt way too shallow

Main things that I'll elaborate on later
1. Thanos was the only real character
2. Doctor Strange's 1 chance vision is so lazy
3. Why the FUCK did they let Ironman live
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Punnyz posted...

I don't think i'd ever call it Mediocre

Definitely my thought leaving the theater. But not in a bad way, it's just another superhero movie. Doesn't match the hype at all though unless you're super into Marvel or something.

Actually it feels like the Uncharted 4 of movies. So much gloss that it all kinda blends together into mush. Though Thanos did make it way better.
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foolm0r0n posted...

3. Why the FUCK did they let Ironman live

Because literally it was prophesied to happen starting in Avengers 1.
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