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Caution999 04/16/18 9:58:51 AM #1:	First: Hang up your emotions on the coat-rack right here. The cops did nothing wrong. They did everything by the book. The only people that may be sued are the Starbucks managers or execs. Yes, I know the media did a good job of getting you all emotional, but I'm here to tell you, the cops did nothing wrong. A police officer's job isn't to be a Judge. He is there to escort an individual or individuals away from private property. The cops don't go "wait, before we head in, we should read Starbucks' policy first". That doesn't happen. IF there were conflicting Starbucks policies, then it MAY be up to the manager to decide which one supersedes which. I don't know. If not, then hire a lawyer and go after Starbucks. That's what this comes down to. Find out what policies that specific Starbucks location had, and if necessary, hire a lawyer and go after them. Leave the cops alone. If the police get a call asking someone to escort someone out from private property, that's what they'll do. It's not their job to go "but but but...your policy!" There is no context to this case, and it seems silly that everyone lovesssss to jump the gun. Facts. Gotta wait for them to come out. Patience is a virtue. Now that I've gotten that out of my system, 20 years ago, if I brought this story to a journalist, they would've laughed their ass off. This wouldn't have even made LOCAL news - let alone, national news. Me: "Hey boss, I picked up a scoop 2 guys got arrested at Starbucks after refusing to leave." Boss: "So...? Stop wasting my time. Get to a REAL news story before I have your ass fired, kid." 2018 Me: "Hey boss, I picked up a scoop 2 guys got arrested at Starbucks after refusing to leave." Boss: "So?? That's a nothingbur....wait, What race were they?" Me: "African American" Boss: "Now we got a story!!! FRONT PAGE NEWS!!! THIS WILL MAKE NATIONAL HEADLINES!" --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899744467] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>First: Hang up your emotions on the coat-rack right here. The cops did nothing wrong. They did everything by the book. The only people that may be sued are the Starbucks managers or execs. Yes, I know the media did a good job of getting you all emotional, but I'm here to tell you, the cops did nothing wrong. A police officer's job isn't to be a Judge. He is there to escort an individual or individuals away from private property. The cops don't go "wait, before we head in, we should read Starbucks' policy first". That doesn't happen. IF there were conflicting Starbucks policies, then it MAY be up to the manager to decide which one supersedes which. I don't know. If not, then hire a lawyer and go after Starbucks. That's what this comes down to. Find out what policies that specific Starbucks location had, and if necessary, hire a lawyer and go after them. Leave the cops alone. If the police get a call asking someone to escort someone out from private property, that's what they'll do. It's not their job to go "but but but...your policy!" There is no context to this case, and it seems silly that everyone lovesssss to jump the gun. Facts. Gotta wait for them to come out. Patience is a virtue. Now that I've gotten that out of my system, 20 years ago, if I brought this story to a journalist, they would've laughed their ass off. This wouldn't have even made LOCAL news - let alone, national news. Me: "Hey boss, I picked up a scoop 2 guys got arrested at Starbucks after refusing to leave." Boss: "So...? Stop wasting my time. Get to a REAL news story before I have your ass fired, kid." 2018 Me: "Hey boss, I picked up a scoop 2 guys got arrested at Starbucks after refusing to leave." Boss: "So?? That's a nothingbur....wait, What race were they?" Me: "African American" Boss: "Now we got a story!!! FRONT PAGE NEWS!!! THIS WILL MAKE NATIONAL HEADLINES!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 04/16/18 9:59:59 AM #2:	I think most people are saying Starbucks were being asshats. At some point they could have said they just wanted the individuals to leave their property. Going along with having them arrested was dickish. --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:899744514] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>I think most people are saying Starbucks were being asshats. At some point they could have said they just wanted the individuals to leave their property. Going along with having them arrested was dickish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Error1355 04/16/18 10:01:57 AM #3:	beep bep --- This life is just a game we play, that we can never win. But don't give up, no don't give up. <cite>Error1355 posted [p:899744587] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>beep bep</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 04/16/18 10:02:43 AM #4:	The Admiral posted... Axiom posted... Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout Just happened last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZtmEunkWs" data-time=" Difference between this man and those black guys is that he complied when kicked out for loitering. Same thing would have happened to this guy if he chose not to comply with the cops. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:899744615] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine if they started doing this to everyone and not just certain people. So many cheap hipsters would lose a hangout</quote> Just happened last month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEZtmEunkWs" data-time=" Difference between this man and those black guys is that he complied when kicked out for loitering.</quote> Same thing would have happened to this guy if he chose not to comply with the cops.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 04/16/18 10:17:37 AM #5:	Starbucks was dumb. Cops were dumb. I'm glad everyone there seemed to stick up for the guys getting arrested. Stand up to the bs. --- #FeelTheBernieSanders <cite>lilORANG posted [p:899745142] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Starbucks was dumb. Cops were dumb. I'm glad everyone there seemed to stick up for the guys getting arrested. Stand up to the bs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DifferentialEquation 04/16/18 10:21:41 AM #7:	Tag. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:899745276] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Tag.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuyCarlPeterson 04/16/18 10:22:09 AM #8:	Why doesn't Starbucks just ask people to leave? --- Father's dream; devour the twin. Sisters scream "for our sins." They'll cut their flesh to make amends, and grasp for ghosts that savior sends. <cite>GuyCarlPeterson posted [p:899745294] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Why doesn't Starbucks just ask people to leave?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 04/16/18 10:23:40 AM #9:	Not really a hot take, this is a fair and levelheaded assessment. Everyone was dumb. --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) 2018 NFLB Summersim (1-3): https://i.imgur.com/7cjNtgQ.png <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:899745353] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Not really a hot take, this is a fair and levelheaded assessment. Everyone was dumb.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 04/16/18 10:23:51 AM #10:	Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:899745363] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thelovefist 04/16/18 10:24:00 AM #12:	This "story" is a great example of the current outrage culture that exists. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899745368] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>This "story" is a great example of the current outrage culture that exists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuyCarlPeterson 04/16/18 10:25:36 AM #13:	tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Cops let people slide with stuff all the time. --- Father's dream; devour the twin. Sisters scream "for our sins." They'll cut their flesh to make amends, and grasp for ghosts that savior sends. <cite>GuyCarlPeterson posted [p:899745429] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Cops let people slide with stuff all the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 04/16/18 10:25:58 AM #14:	Funny how Starbucks across the country are taking heat for this, when it was just employees at one location. I feel sorry for any managers and employees at other locations who have to deal with this shit. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:899745438] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Funny how Starbucks across the country are taking heat for this, when it was just employees at one location. I feel sorry for any managers and employees at other locations who have to deal with this shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/16/18 10:26:41 AM #15:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Funny how Starbucks across the country are taking heat for this, when it was just employees at one location If by funny you mean pathetic and sad then I agree. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899745477] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how Starbucks across the country are taking heat for this, when it was just employees at one location</quote> If by funny you mean pathetic and sad then I agree.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 04/16/18 10:27:10 AM #16:	tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. --- Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. <cite>lilORANG posted [p:899745496] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 04/16/18 10:27:47 AM #17:	Enforcing the rules for some people and not others is the literal definition of discrimination. Whether you want to argue it was racially motivated is one thing, but it IS discrimination. That is fact. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:899745519] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Enforcing the rules for some people and not others is the literal definition of discrimination. Whether you want to argue it was racially motivated is one thing, but it IS discrimination. That is fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 04/16/18 10:27:58 AM #18:	EndOfDiscOne posted... Funny how Starbucks across the country are taking heat for this, when it was just employees at one location. I feel sorry for any managers and employees at other locations who have to deal with this shit. It's ridiculous how the alleged actions of 1-2 people are bringing down a nationwide chain of business. It's almost like chains won't even exist in the future. Sooner or later one sour employee will ruin their image. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899745532] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how Starbucks across the country are taking heat for this, when it was just employees at one location. I feel sorry for any managers and employees at other locations who have to deal with this shit.</quote> It's ridiculous how the alleged actions of 1-2 people are bringing down a nationwide chain of business. It's almost like chains won't even exist in the future. Sooner or later one sour employee will ruin their image.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuyCarlPeterson 04/16/18 10:28:14 AM #19:	lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Trespassing is illegal. --- Father's dream; devour the twin. Sisters scream "for our sins." They'll cut their flesh to make amends, and grasp for ghosts that savior sends. <cite>GuyCarlPeterson posted [p:899745547] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Trespassing is illegal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tremain07 04/16/18 10:28:44 AM #21:	lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:899745561] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ushiromiya 04/16/18 10:28:57 AM #22:	Caution999 posted... First: Hang up your emotions on the coat-rack right here. strokes chin --- http://i.imgur.com/11wM01O.gif http://i.imgur.com/2IO7osX.png <cite>Ushiromiya posted [p:899745577] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>First: Hang up your emotions on the coat-rack right here.</quote> strokes chin</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 04/16/18 10:35:28 AM #23:	tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist. It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in. --- Mars ain't the kind of place to raise your kids. <cite>lilORANG posted [p:899745806] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist.</quote> It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 04/16/18 10:37:35 AM #24:	lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist. It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in. You can if their on a privately owned business's property. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:899745897] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist.</quote> It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in.</quote> You can if their on a privately owned business's property.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Punctus_Pilot 04/16/18 10:38:25 AM #25:	Caution999 posted... Hey boss, I picked up a scoop 2 guys got arrested at Starbucks after refusing to leave." That's not what happened <cite>Punctus_Pilot posted [p:899745941] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>Hey boss, I picked up a scoop 2 guys got arrested at Starbucks after refusing to leave."</quote> That's not what happened</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 04/16/18 10:38:31 AM #26:	lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist. It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in. Well, in that regard it could have been a lawful order but the report makes it sound as if the police didnt take a step back and try to defuse the matter on both sides. Mediate rather than react to what the proprietor wanted. Legally, at some point, they have to comply with the propertys owners as peace officers to forcibly remove but it should be treated a measure of last resort in good police practice. --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:899745945] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist.</quote> It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in.</quote> Well, in that regard it could have been a lawful order but the report makes it sound as if the police didnt take a step back and try to defuse the matter on both sides. Mediate rather than react to what the proprietor wanted. Legally, at some point, they have to comply with the propertys owners as peace officers to forcibly remove but it should be treated a measure of last resort in good police practice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 04/16/18 10:38:35 AM #27:	tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist. It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in. You can if their on a privately owned business's property. Not when that private property is open to the public and wants to arbitrarily exclude you because of your race. --- #FeelTheBernieSanders <cite>lilORANG posted [p:899745949] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist.</quote> It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in.</quote> You can if their on a privately owned business's property.</quote> Not when that private property is open to the public and wants to arbitrarily exclude you because of your race.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 04/16/18 10:39:33 AM #28:	lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist. It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in. You can if their on a privately owned business's property. Not when that private property is open to the public and wants to arbitrarily exclude you because of your race. But proof of that is a civil matter. In that moment the officer has to accede if the proprietor is declaring someone as trespassing. The law isnt gray on that: if you own the business and someone is loitering there without your consent, removal by law enforcement is permissible. --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:899745981] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist.</quote> It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in.</quote> You can if their on a privately owned business's property.</quote> Not when that private property is open to the public and wants to arbitrarily exclude you because of your race.</quote> But proof of that is a civil matter. In that moment the officer has to accede if the proprietor is declaring someone as trespassing. The law isnt gray on that: if you own the business and someone is loitering there without your consent, removal by law enforcement is permissible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 04/16/18 10:39:39 AM #29:	lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist. It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in. Literally private property. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899745986] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist.</quote> It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in.</quote> Literally private property.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrenchCrunch 04/16/18 10:40:48 AM #30:	Caution999 posted... EndOfDiscOne posted... Funny how Starbucks across the country are taking heat for this, when it was just employees at one location. I feel sorry for any managers and employees at other locations who have to deal with this shit. It's ridiculous how the alleged actions of 1-2 people are bringing down a nationwide chain of business. It's almost like chains won't even exist in the future. Sooner or later one sour employee will ruin their image. are we just gonna ignore this fresh batch of stupid <cite>FrenchCrunch posted [p:899746034] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>Funny how Starbucks across the country are taking heat for this, when it was just employees at one location. I feel sorry for any managers and employees at other locations who have to deal with this shit.</quote> It's ridiculous how the alleged actions of 1-2 people are bringing down a nationwide chain of business. It's almost like chains won't even exist in the future. Sooner or later one sour employee will ruin their image.</quote> are we just gonna ignore this fresh batch of stupid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution999 04/16/18 10:41:32 AM #31:	With the way the Alt-Left is becoming, it's not too far off to think that every little thing will be blown up to be nationwide news. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899746058] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>With the way the Alt-Left is becoming, it's not too far off to think that every little thing will be blown up to be nationwide news.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Caution999 04/16/18 10:42:46 AM #33:	Bullet_Wing posted... Seems like the manager is gone from what I've read. Good riddance to possibly racist garbage. In a fair world, it should be over now, but for some reason people are going to boycott Starbucks. So you admit you're not even sure if the manager is racist, yet, are happy they got fired. Ok. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899746111] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like the manager is gone from what I've read. Good riddance to possibly racist garbage. In a fair world, it should be over now, but for some reason people are going to boycott Starbucks.</quote> So you admit you're not even sure if the manager is racist, yet, are happy they got fired. Ok.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 04/16/18 10:43:11 AM #34:	Caution999 posted... Bullet_Wing posted... Seems like the manager is gone from what I've read. Good riddance to possibly racist garbage. In a fair world, it should be over now, but for some reason people are going to boycott Starbucks. So you admit you're not even sure if the manager is racist, yet, are happy they got fired. Ok. Okay, whats with the hostility? --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:899746131] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bullet_Wing posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like the manager is gone from what I've read. Good riddance to possibly racist garbage. In a fair world, it should be over now, but for some reason people are going to boycott Starbucks.</quote> So you admit you're not even sure if the manager is racist, yet, are happy they got fired. Ok.</quote> Okay, whats with the hostility?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Caution999 04/16/18 10:45:35 AM #36:	Fair enough. --- "Impossible is just a word to let people feel good about themselves when they quit." - Vyse, Skies of Arcadia <cite>Caution999 posted [p:899746229] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Fair enough.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 04/16/18 10:45:44 AM #37:	Solid Sonic posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... lilORANG posted... tremain07 posted... Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged. Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone. Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist. It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in. You can if their on a privately owned business's property. Not when that private property is open to the public and wants to arbitrarily exclude you because of your race. But proof of that is a civil matter. In that moment the officer has to accede if the proprietor is declaring someone as trespassing. The law isn?t gray on that: if you own the business and someone is loitering there without your consent, removal by law enforcement is permissible. An officer is not beholden to a business owner. They are obligated to serve the public. That entails basic investigation before they act, and not illegally ordering someone to leave an area they have a right to be. --- #FeelTheBernieSanders <cite>lilORANG posted [p:899746238] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Why the hell weren't they charged with resisting arrest if they said "No" and refused to comply? Even just saying no is considered resisting arrest yet they weren't charged.</quote> Saying "no" is not a crime, especially when there's no legal basis to arrest someone.</quote> Yes the fuck it is a crime to refuse an officer's commands. They commanded they leave, they said no, thus cuffs, thus they should have been fucking charged with resisting arrest, yet they weren't because the cops were scared of looking racist.</quote> It has to be a lawful order. You can't tell someone to leave an area they have a right to be in.</quote> You can if their on a privately owned business's property.</quote> Not when that private property is open to the public and wants to arbitrarily exclude you because of your race.</quote> But proof of that is a civil matter. In that moment the officer has to accede if the proprietor is declaring someone as trespassing. The law isn?t gray on that: if you own the business and someone is loitering there without your consent, removal by law enforcement is permissible.</quote> An officer is not beholden to a business owner. They are obligated to serve the public. That entails basic investigation before they act, and not illegally ordering someone to leave an area they have a right to be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 04/16/18 10:49:38 AM #38:	lilORANG posted... An officer is not beholden to a business owner. They are obligated to serve the public. That entails basic investigation before they act, and not illegally ordering someone to leave an area they have a right to be. Which I acknowledge in my earlier post. --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:899746398] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote>An officer is not beholden to a business owner. They are obligated to serve the public. That entails basic investigation before they act, and not illegally ordering someone to leave an area they have a right to be.</quote> Which I acknowledge in my earlier post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giant_Aspirin 04/16/18 11:05:58 AM #39:	since i wasn't sure what this was about, i looked it up. source including video for the curious https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/04/15/two-black-men-were-arrested-waiting-at-a-starbucks-now- the-company-police-are-on-the-defensive --- Playing: Songs of the Deep (PC) *(~);} - It seems like all this life was just a dream - {;(~)* <cite>Giant_Aspirin posted [p:899747137] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>since i wasn't sure what this was about, i looked it up. source including video for the curious https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/04/15/two-black-men-were-arrested-waiting-at-a-starbucks-now- the-company-police-are-on-the-defensive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
siccy 04/16/18 11:07:23 AM #40:	"First: Hang up your emotions on the coat-rack right here." emotional rant <cite>siccy posted [p:899747208] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>"First: Hang up your emotions on the coat-rack right here." emotional rant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/16/18 11:09:41 AM #41:	lilORANG posted... An officer is not beholden to a business owner. They are obligated to serve the public. That entails basic investigation before they act, and not illegally ordering someone to leave an area they have a right to be. You seem to have a shockingly poor grasp of simple terms like legal or right. --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899747310] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote>An officer is not beholden to a business owner. They are obligated to serve the public. That entails basic investigation before they act, and not illegally ordering someone to leave an area they have a right to be.</quote> You seem to have a shockingly poor grasp of simple terms like legal or right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 04/16/18 11:10:01 AM #42:	lilORANG posted... They are obligated to serve the public. Actually police officers are not legally obligated to service the public, Protect and Serve is just a slogan to drum up good will propaganda between the police and the community at large. --- I got nothing <cite>tremain07 posted [p:899747330] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote>They are obligated to serve the public. </quote> Actually police officers are not legally obligated to service the public, Protect and Serve is just a slogan to drum up good will propaganda between the police and the community at large.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 04/16/18 11:10:29 AM #43:	Aren't cops supposed to assess a situation before they act on anything? If I called the cops right now and said some dude inside a restaurant was causing issues when he's not will he get arrested immediately? Sounds like an easy way to fuck someone's life up real quick --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:899747343] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>Aren't cops supposed to assess a situation before they act on anything? If I called the cops right now and said some dude inside a restaurant was causing issues when he's not will he get arrested immediately? Sounds like an easy way to fuck someone's life up real quick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thelovefist 04/16/18 11:12:10 AM #44:	Smashingpmkns posted... Aren't cops supposed to assess a situation before they act on anything? If I called the cops right now and said some dude inside a restaurant was causing issues when he's not will he get arrested immediately? Sounds like an easy way to fuck someone's life up real quick I don't know but if you are a restaurant employee, ask a patron to leave, they don't and then call the police explaining them this... --- N/A <cite>thelovefist posted [p:899747415] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Aren't cops supposed to assess a situation before they act on anything? If I called the cops right now and said some dude inside a restaurant was causing issues when he's not will he get arrested immediately? Sounds like an easy way to fuck someone's life up real quick</quote> I don't know but if you are a restaurant employee, ask a patron to leave, they don't and then call the police explaining them this...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 04/16/18 11:12:38 AM #45:	thelovefist posted... lilORANG posted... An officer is not beholden to a business owner. They are obligated to serve the public. That entails basic investigation before they act, and not illegally ordering someone to leave an area they have a right to be. You seem to have a shockingly poor grasp of simple terms like legal or right. Considering they werent doing anything wrong and no one asked them to leave, I believe you have the poor grasp on those terms. But Im not surprised given your past --- http://i.imgur.com/jWVrg9U.gif http://i.imgur.com/g2efUtT.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5dOwhaP.jpg http://i.imgur.com/LVdqu8J.gif Go Cougs and M's #DI4B <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:899747441] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>thelovefist posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote>An officer is not beholden to a business owner. They are obligated to serve the public. That entails basic investigation before they act, and not illegally ordering someone to leave an area they have a right to be.</quote> You seem to have a shockingly poor grasp of simple terms like legal or right.</quote> Considering they werent doing anything wrong and no one asked them to leave, I believe you have the poor grasp on those terms. But Im not surprised given your past</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
twitterfriends 04/16/18 11:35:47 AM #46:	If I was the cop called on the scene: How are folks you doing today? Good sir, were waiting here at Starbucks for our firiend. observes that no one has a problem with them Go tell Starbucks theyre just waiting for their company to arrive and to call if there happens to be a real emergency, maybe buy a donut as a god damn peace offering to these dim witted assholes. --- #NotMyPresident #JusticeDemocrats #Neblio #WolfPAC #Bitcoin #WeAre12 #12thMan #Seahawks #Belieber #DENT #UBI #PokemonGo #twitterfriends #MMA #PopularHashtags <cite>twitterfriends posted [p:899748548] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>If I was the cop called on the scene: How are folks you doing today? Good sir, were waiting here at Starbucks for our firiend. observes that no one has a problem with them Go tell Starbucks theyre just waiting for their company to arrive and to call if there happens to be a real emergency, maybe buy a donut as a god damn peace offering to these dim witted assholes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Schwarber 04/16/18 11:47:48 AM #47:	Caution999 posted... First: Hang up your emotions on the coat-rack right here. Caution999 posted... With the way the Alt-Left is becoming, it's not too far off to think that every little thing will be blown up to be nationwide news. --- http://i.imgur.com/iQXgYOx.gif http://i.imgur.com/l3frhSF.gif http://i.imgur.com/HM1Hjby.gif https://i.imgur.com/bvsFH0H.jpg - drawn by Yaridovich <cite>Schwarber posted [p:899749076] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>First: Hang up your emotions on the coat-rack right here.</quote> <cite>Caution999 posted...</cite> <quote>With the way the Alt-Left is becoming, it's not too far off to think that every little thing will be blown up to be nationwide news.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 04/16/18 11:50:59 AM #48:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... Enforcing the rules for some people and not others is the literal definition of discrimination. Whether you want to argue it was racially motivated is one thing, but it IS discrimination. That is fact. Hmm, yes, I agree with that. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:899749213] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted...</cite> <quote>Enforcing the rules for some people and not others is the literal definition of discrimination. Whether you want to argue it was racially motivated is one thing, but it IS discrimination. That is fact.</quote> Hmm, yes, I agree with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 04/16/18 11:55:52 AM #49:	The CEO of Starbucks said it shouldn't have happened <cite>Zikten posted [p:899749441] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote>The CEO of Starbucks said it shouldn't have happened</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 04/16/18 11:56:44 AM #50:	Zikten posted... The CEO of Starbucks said it shouldn't have happened Starbucks shouldn't have kicked those guys out to begin with. The problem is starbucks did something stupid that the people kicked out didn't deserve. The cops arresting them when they refused to leave at the request of starbucks and the cops is how law works though, they were just doing their job. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:899749487] in My hot tak... [t:76521933]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote>The CEO of Starbucks said it shouldn't have happened</quote> Starbucks shouldn't have kicked those guys out to begin with. The problem is starbucks did something stupid that the people kicked out didn't deserve. The cops arresting them when they refused to leave at the request of starbucks and the cops is how law works though, they were just doing their job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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