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Kid_Buu 04/09/18 9:45:37 AM #52:	Tyranthraxus posted... Fantastic. Charles Manson is not a murderer but this kid is. What a great legal system we have. Tbh --- anime girls either need a dick or thicc for me to want to have relations with them im kaname btw <cite>Kid_Buu posted [p:899332138] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Fantastic. Charles Manson is not a murderer but this kid is. What a great legal system we have.</quote> Tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 04/09/18 9:57:32 AM #53:	Tyranthraxus posted... Fantastic. Charles Manson is not a murderer but this kid is. What a great legal system we have. In 1971 he was convicted of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of seven people, all of which were carried out at his instruction by members of the group. Manson was also convicted of first-degree murder for two other deaths. Um. What? --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:899332582] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Fantastic. Charles Manson is not a murderer but this kid is. What a great legal system we have.</quote> In 1971 he was convicted of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of seven people, all of which were carried out at his instruction by members of the group. Manson was also convicted of first-degree murder for two other deaths. Um. What?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 04/09/18 9:58:29 AM #54:	Darksaber310 posted... Since they deigned not to give any info about the case other than the sentencing I'm gonna guess there was some provable intent previous to the car being lent. The way they gloss over the reason he's being charged (the shootout, breaking and entering, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon) lends them little credence to their factual acumen. Was just about to say this. Like, if he loaned them the car knowing they were intending to commit a crime with it, I could understand charging him with something, if not the same crime. It would be like loaning someone a gun knowing they were intending to go shoot someone...wouldn't the gun loaner be charged if it could be proven? --- https://i.imgur.com/PHWbltB.gifv <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:899332632] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darksaber310 posted...</cite> <quote>Since they deigned not to give any info about the case other than the sentencing I'm gonna guess there was some provable intent previous to the car being lent. The way they gloss over the reason he's being charged (the shootout, breaking and entering, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon) lends them little credence to their factual acumen. </quote> Was just about to say this. Like, if he loaned them the car knowing they were intending to commit a crime with it, I could understand charging him with something, if not the same crime. It would be like loaning someone a gun knowing they were intending to go shoot someone...wouldn't the gun loaner be charged if it could be proven?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 04/09/18 10:01:34 AM #55:	The Admiral posted... Darksaber310 posted... WilliamPorygon posted... One of the most famous examples involved a man convicted of murder for loaning his car to friends who went on to murder an 18-year-old girl. According to prosecutors, it didn't matter that he was 30 minutes away. ...what the flying fuck. Since they deigned not to give any info about the case other than the sentencing I'm gonna guess there was some provable intent previous to the car being lent. The way they gloss over the reason he's being charged (the shootout, breaking and entering, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon) lends them little credence to their factual acumen. This kind of law exists in many states. I remember the last time I heard about it cops shot a guy outside a club and a bystander got tagged and they dropped that right on his charges. I believe this is the case they're referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html I don't think that's the same case. In that link, it says the car loaner was a mile and half away. In the referenced story, it says 30 minutes away. Unless there was some serious traffic, I doubt it's the same story. --- https://i.imgur.com/PHWbltB.gifv <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:899332752] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darksaber310 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WilliamPorygon posted...</cite> <quote><quote>One of the most famous examples involved a man convicted of murder for loaning his car to friends who went on to murder an 18-year-old girl. According to prosecutors, it didn't matter that he was 30 minutes away.</quote> ...what the flying fuck.</quote> Since they deigned not to give any info about the case other than the sentencing I'm gonna guess there was some provable intent previous to the car being lent. The way they gloss over the reason he's being charged (the shootout, breaking and entering, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon) lends them little credence to their factual acumen. This kind of law exists in many states. I remember the last time I heard about it cops shot a guy outside a club and a bystander got tagged and they dropped that right on his charges.</quote> I believe this is the case they're referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html</quote> I don't think that's the same case. In that link, it says the car loaner was a mile and half away. In the referenced story, it says 30 minutes away. Unless there was some serious traffic, I doubt it's the same story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 04/09/18 10:05:37 AM #56:	St0rmFury posted... So cops can just simply discharge their weapons and pin any collateral damage / casualties on the perps? That seems fair. After all, said perpetrators created a situation in which a firearm was to be discharged. --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:899332894] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>St0rmFury posted...</cite> <quote>So cops can just simply discharge their weapons and pin any collateral damage / casualties on the perps?</quote> That seems fair. After all, said perpetrators created a situation in which a firearm was to be discharged.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 04/09/18 10:13:34 AM #57:	Kineth posted... DifferentialEquation posted... StucklnMyPants posted... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ That article also glosses over the fact that the teens fired shots at the officers. The accomplice charge in this case is because they were armed, shot at officers while committing a felony, which resulted in the death of a teen. Several armed robbers who aren't reluctant to use their weapons. To me, that sounds like a scenario where a homeowner might like to have an AR-15 with a standard capacity magazine (30 rounds) Maybe they should have invested in an alarm system. I own a split level home with approximately 3200 sq ft. I also own an alarm. My son was having a life threatening seizure last week that almost took his life. We had to call 911. It took paramedics 4 minutes to arrive to our home. My alarm has gone off when we first got it because my wife was carrying something in the house and didnt disarm it in time. It took about 2 minutes for ADT to call my house. Lets assume that the sum of these times, 6 minutes, is all that it takes for the police to arrive. I can reach any location in my house from the front door in less than 30 seconds. In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead. --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:899333241] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StucklnMyPants posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ That article also glosses over the fact that the teens fired shots at the officers. The accomplice charge in this case is because they were armed, shot at officers while committing a felony, which resulted in the death of a teen.</quote> Several armed robbers who aren't reluctant to use their weapons. To me, that sounds like a scenario where a homeowner might like to have an AR-15 with a standard capacity magazine (30 rounds)</quote> Maybe they should have invested in an alarm system.</quote> I own a split level home with approximately 3200 sq ft. I also own an alarm. My son was having a life threatening seizure last week that almost took his life. We had to call 911. It took paramedics 4 minutes to arrive to our home. My alarm has gone off when we first got it because my wife was carrying something in the house and didnt disarm it in time. It took about 2 minutes for ADT to call my house. Lets assume that the sum of these times, 6 minutes, is all that it takes for the police to arrive. I can reach any location in my house from the front door in less than 30 seconds. In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 04/09/18 10:17:44 AM #58:	C7D posted... In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead. investment in a steel door for any walk in closet creates a panic room you and your family can easily retreat into without having to risk your own life confronting armed robbers offenders are likely to be in your home for longer than 6 minutes and the police can handle the rest if your child's room is separate from your own, there are added complications, ofc. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:899333391] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead.</quote> investment in a steel door for any walk in closet creates a panic room you and your family can easily retreat into without having to risk your own life confronting armed robbers offenders are likely to be in your home for longer than 6 minutes and the police can handle the rest if your child's room is separate from your own, there are added complications, ofc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hyperpowder 04/09/18 10:18:10 AM #59:	I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense --- Whoever beats my score I will give them a $10 PSN or Live card: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpiorAx40GY <cite>hyperpowder posted [p:899333403] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 04/09/18 10:22:32 AM #60:	hyperpowder posted... I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense In most cases, this is a disincentive for the commission of a crime with a weapon. --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:899333596] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>hyperpowder posted...</cite> <quote>I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense</quote> In most cases, this is a disincentive for the commission of a crime with a weapon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 04/09/18 10:24:25 AM #61:	Darkman124 posted... C7D posted... In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead. investment in a steel door for any walk in closet creates a panic room you and your family can easily retreat into without having to risk your own life confronting armed robbers offenders are likely to be in your home for longer than 6 minutes and the police can handle the rest if your child's room is separate from your own, there are added complications, ofc. We have five bedrooms. The kids are downstairs. If someone came to our home, they would see me first. I am trained in the proper use of firearms and would defend my family with deadly force if necessary. --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:899333675] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote>In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead.</quote> investment in a steel door for any walk in closet creates a panic room you and your family can easily retreat into without having to risk your own life confronting armed robbers offenders are likely to be in your home for longer than 6 minutes and the police can handle the rest if your child's room is separate from your own, there are added complications, ofc.</quote> We have five bedrooms. The kids are downstairs. If someone came to our home, they would see me first. I am trained in the proper use of firearms and would defend my family with deadly force if necessary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 04/09/18 10:29:17 AM #62:	Twin3Turbo posted... The Admiral posted... Darksaber310 posted... WilliamPorygon posted... One of the most famous examples involved a man convicted of murder for loaning his car to friends who went on to murder an 18-year-old girl. According to prosecutors, it didn't matter that he was 30 minutes away. ...what the flying fuck. Since they deigned not to give any info about the case other than the sentencing I'm gonna guess there was some provable intent previous to the car being lent. The way they gloss over the reason he's being charged (the shootout, breaking and entering, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon) lends them little credence to their factual acumen. This kind of law exists in many states. I remember the last time I heard about it cops shot a guy outside a club and a bystander got tagged and they dropped that right on his charges. I believe this is the case they're referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html I don't think that's the same case. In that link, it says the car loaner was a mile and half away. In the referenced story, it says 30 minutes away. Unless there was some serious traffic, I doubt it's the same story. In both cases it was an 18 year-old that was killed, and the man who loaned the car out and was charged. I get the feeling the "30 minutes" was the walking time, since BBC is playing fast-and-loose with the details all throughout that article. Which is unfortunate, because this is egregious enough without the exaggerations. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:899333866] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darksaber310 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WilliamPorygon posted...</cite> <quote><quote>One of the most famous examples involved a man convicted of murder for loaning his car to friends who went on to murder an 18-year-old girl. According to prosecutors, it didn't matter that he was 30 minutes away.</quote> ...what the flying fuck.</quote> Since they deigned not to give any info about the case other than the sentencing I'm gonna guess there was some provable intent previous to the car being lent. The way they gloss over the reason he's being charged (the shootout, breaking and entering, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon) lends them little credence to their factual acumen. This kind of law exists in many states. I remember the last time I heard about it cops shot a guy outside a club and a bystander got tagged and they dropped that right on his charges.</quote> I believe this is the case they're referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html</quote> I don't think that's the same case. In that link, it says the car loaner was a mile and half away. In the referenced story, it says 30 minutes away. Unless there was some serious traffic, I doubt it's the same story.</quote> In both cases it was an 18 year-old that was killed, and the man who loaned the car out and was charged. I get the feeling the "30 minutes" was the walking time, since BBC is playing fast-and-loose with the details all throughout that article. Which is unfortunate, because this is egregious enough without the exaggerations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 04/09/18 10:29:24 AM #63:	i'm not a fan of putting my life at unneeded risk, but i don't have any loved ones sleeping in other bedrooms aside from the master. in my house, if someone breaks in, dogs will go nuts and wake us up. they're in the room with us and we would all go into my closet, close and bolt the steel door, and await arrival of the police. that's where the real valuables are kept, anyway. worst case scenario, someone steals my TV and I file an insurance personal property claim to get a new one. i definitely recognize that being unable to protect children in this manner can push someone towards a more high-risk home defense approach. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:899333873] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>i'm not a fan of putting my life at unneeded risk, but i don't have any loved ones sleeping in other bedrooms aside from the master. in my house, if someone breaks in, dogs will go nuts and wake us up. they're in the room with us and we would all go into my closet, close and bolt the steel door, and await arrival of the police. that's where the real valuables are kept, anyway. worst case scenario, someone steals my TV and I file an insurance personal property claim to get a new one. i definitely recognize that being unable to protect children in this manner can push someone towards a more high-risk home defense approach.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 04/09/18 10:30:03 AM #64:	I prefer to face my enemies head on rather than hide in a cage. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:899333899] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>I prefer to face my enemies head on rather than hide in a cage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 04/09/18 10:30:32 AM #65:	Remember when IIRC 3 people tried to rob a house, but the owner shot and killed 2 of them and the get away driver was charged for the deaths? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:899333911] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>Remember when IIRC 3 people tried to rob a house, but the owner shot and killed 2 of them and the get away driver was charged for the deaths?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 04/09/18 10:31:31 AM #66:	Yeah, thats felony murder. Its been a thing for decades. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:899333952] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, thats felony murder. Its been a thing for decades.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twin3Turbo 04/09/18 10:36:25 AM #67:	The Admiral posted... Twin3Turbo posted... The Admiral posted... Darksaber310 posted... WilliamPorygon posted... One of the most famous examples involved a man convicted of murder for loaning his car to friends who went on to murder an 18-year-old girl. According to prosecutors, it didn't matter that he was 30 minutes away. ...what the flying fuck. Since they deigned not to give any info about the case other than the sentencing I'm gonna guess there was some provable intent previous to the car being lent. The way they gloss over the reason he's being charged (the shootout, breaking and entering, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon) lends them little credence to their factual acumen. This kind of law exists in many states. I remember the last time I heard about it cops shot a guy outside a club and a bystander got tagged and they dropped that right on his charges. I believe this is the case they're referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html I don't think that's the same case. In that link, it says the car loaner was a mile and half away. In the referenced story, it says 30 minutes away. Unless there was some serious traffic, I doubt it's the same story. In both cases it was an 18 year-old that was killed, and the man who loaned the car out and was charged. I get the feeling the "30 minutes" was the walking time, since BBC is playing fast-and-loose with the details all throughout that article. Which is unfortunate, because this is egregious enough without the exaggerations. Eh, fair enough --- https://i.imgur.com/PHWbltB.gifv <cite>Twin3Turbo posted [p:899334148] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Twin3Turbo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Darksaber310 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WilliamPorygon posted...</cite> <quote><quote>One of the most famous examples involved a man convicted of murder for loaning his car to friends who went on to murder an 18-year-old girl. According to prosecutors, it didn't matter that he was 30 minutes away.</quote> ...what the flying fuck.</quote> Since they deigned not to give any info about the case other than the sentencing I'm gonna guess there was some provable intent previous to the car being lent. The way they gloss over the reason he's being charged (the shootout, breaking and entering, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon) lends them little credence to their factual acumen. This kind of law exists in many states. I remember the last time I heard about it cops shot a guy outside a club and a bystander got tagged and they dropped that right on his charges.</quote> I believe this is the case they're referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html</quote> I don't think that's the same case. In that link, it says the car loaner was a mile and half away. In the referenced story, it says 30 minutes away. Unless there was some serious traffic, I doubt it's the same story.</quote> In both cases it was an 18 year-old that was killed, and the man who loaned the car out and was charged. I get the feeling the "30 minutes" was the walking time, since BBC is playing fast-and-loose with the details all throughout that article. Which is unfortunate, because this is egregious enough without the exaggerations.</quote> Eh, fair enough</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 04/09/18 10:58:25 AM #68:	C7D posted... Kineth posted... DifferentialEquation posted... StucklnMyPants posted... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ That article also glosses over the fact that the teens fired shots at the officers. The accomplice charge in this case is because they were armed, shot at officers while committing a felony, which resulted in the death of a teen. Several armed robbers who aren't reluctant to use their weapons. To me, that sounds like a scenario where a homeowner might like to have an AR-15 with a standard capacity magazine (30 rounds) Maybe they should have invested in an alarm system. I own a split level home with approximately 3200 sq ft. I also own an alarm. My son was having a life threatening seizure last week that almost took his life. We had to call 911. It took paramedics 4 minutes to arrive to our home. My alarm has gone off when we first got it because my wife was carrying something in the house and didnt disarm it in time. It took about 2 minutes for ADT to call my house. Lets assume that the sum of these times, 6 minutes, is all that it takes for the police to arrive. I can reach any location in my house from the front door in less than 30 seconds. In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead. Or the offender runs because there is a loud alarm going off. --- F.C. Stokalona http://i.imgur.com/CJ0dPBq.jpg <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:899335059] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StucklnMyPants posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ That article also glosses over the fact that the teens fired shots at the officers. The accomplice charge in this case is because they were armed, shot at officers while committing a felony, which resulted in the death of a teen.</quote> Several armed robbers who aren't reluctant to use their weapons. To me, that sounds like a scenario where a homeowner might like to have an AR-15 with a standard capacity magazine (30 rounds)</quote> Maybe they should have invested in an alarm system.</quote> I own a split level home with approximately 3200 sq ft. I also own an alarm. My son was having a life threatening seizure last week that almost took his life. We had to call 911. It took paramedics 4 minutes to arrive to our home. My alarm has gone off when we first got it because my wife was carrying something in the house and didnt disarm it in time. It took about 2 minutes for ADT to call my house. Lets assume that the sum of these times, 6 minutes, is all that it takes for the police to arrive. I can reach any location in my house from the front door in less than 30 seconds. In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead.</quote> Or the offender runs because there is a loud alarm going off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 04/09/18 11:00:06 AM #69:	i am glad that we had a black president and racism is over --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:899335148] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>i am glad that we had a black president and racism is over</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 04/09/18 11:02:09 AM #70:	mario2000 posted... i am glad that we had a black president and racism is over What are you talking about? White people are convicted of felony murder all the time. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:899335247] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>i am glad that we had a black president and racism is over</quote> What are you talking about? White people are convicted of felony murder all the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 04/09/18 11:03:12 AM #71:	Oatcakes posted... C7D posted... Kineth posted... DifferentialEquation posted... StucklnMyPants posted... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ That article also glosses over the fact that the teens fired shots at the officers. The accomplice charge in this case is because they were armed, shot at officers while committing a felony, which resulted in the death of a teen. Several armed robbers who aren't reluctant to use their weapons. To me, that sounds like a scenario where a homeowner might like to have an AR-15 with a standard capacity magazine (30 rounds) Maybe they should have invested in an alarm system. I own a split level home with approximately 3200 sq ft. I also own an alarm. My son was having a life threatening seizure last week that almost took his life. We had to call 911. It took paramedics 4 minutes to arrive to our home. My alarm has gone off when we first got it because my wife was carrying something in the house and didnt disarm it in time. It took about 2 minutes for ADT to call my house. Lets assume that the sum of these times, 6 minutes, is all that it takes for the police to arrive. I can reach any location in my house from the front door in less than 30 seconds. In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead. Or the offender runs because there is a loud alarm going off. Worked when my house got broken into a decade ago. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:899335292] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Oatcakes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>C7D posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StucklnMyPants posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/04/05/teen-accomplice-sentenced-65-years/492001002/ That article also glosses over the fact that the teens fired shots at the officers. The accomplice charge in this case is because they were armed, shot at officers while committing a felony, which resulted in the death of a teen.</quote> Several armed robbers who aren't reluctant to use their weapons. To me, that sounds like a scenario where a homeowner might like to have an AR-15 with a standard capacity magazine (30 rounds)</quote> Maybe they should have invested in an alarm system.</quote> I own a split level home with approximately 3200 sq ft. I also own an alarm. My son was having a life threatening seizure last week that almost took his life. We had to call 911. It took paramedics 4 minutes to arrive to our home. My alarm has gone off when we first got it because my wife was carrying something in the house and didnt disarm it in time. It took about 2 minutes for ADT to call my house. Lets assume that the sum of these times, 6 minutes, is all that it takes for the police to arrive. I can reach any location in my house from the front door in less than 30 seconds. In your example, if a violent offender comes in with a weapon, I can either retrieve my own weapon and shoot him or be dead.</quote> Or the offender runs because there is a loud alarm going off.</quote> Worked when my house got broken into a decade ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 04/09/18 11:18:41 AM #72:	mario2000 posted... i am glad that we had a black president and racism is over Wut Where is the racism in this? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:899336021] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>i am glad that we had a black president and racism is over</quote> Wut Where is the racism in this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gdaddy 04/09/18 11:21:44 AM #73:	The Admiral posted... I believe this is the case they're referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html Mr. Holle, who had given the police a series of statements in which he seemed to admit knowing about the burglary, was convicted of first-degree murder. So he knew he was loaning his car to people about to commit a burglary? fair, next --- hunt your treasure, treasure the hunt http://i.imgur.com/CUVmCXn.jpg <cite>gdaddy posted [p:899336184] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>I believe this is the case they're referencing: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html</quote> Mr. Holle, who had given the police a series of statements in which he seemed to admit knowing about the burglary, was convicted of first-degree murder. So he knew he was loaning his car to people about to commit a burglary? fair, next</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 04/09/18 11:51:12 AM #74:	CableZL posted... This has been a thing for a while, actually My uncle had a heart attack and died after chasing a guy that just robbed a KFC. The guy got charged with 2nd degree murder and never even touched my uncle. My uncle was rich though. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:899337573] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>This has been a thing for a while, actually</quote> My uncle had a heart attack and died after chasing a guy that just robbed a KFC. The guy got charged with 2nd degree murder and never even touched my uncle. My uncle was rich though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 04/09/18 12:07:18 PM #76:	Isn't that from Mississippi or Alabama? Shit states anyway. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899338375] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>Isn't that from Mississippi or Alabama? Shit states anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MangaFan462 04/09/18 12:08:56 PM #77:	Group of worthless thugs break into homes while armed and start a shoot out with the police. The cops ice one of the thugs fortunately. They all get charged with the murder because they were all responsible. One of the idiots refuses the plee deal LOL wtf --- Posted using GameFlux https://i.imgur.com/Il34cSX.jpg / https://i.redd.it/zwfbqetu2b8y.jpg <cite>MangaFan462 posted [p:899338451] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>Group of worthless thugs break into homes while armed and start a shoot out with the police. The cops ice one of the thugs fortunately. They all get charged with the murder because they were all responsible. One of the idiots refuses the plee deal LOL wtf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C7D 04/09/18 12:20:20 PM #78:	MangaFan462 posted... Group of worthless thugs break into homes while armed and start a shoot out with the police. The cops ice one of the thugs fortunately. They all get charged with the murder because they were all responsible. One of the idiots refuses the plee deal LOL wtf I would like to have been a fly on the wall when this dummy was talking to legal aid. Here is what they are charging you with. Here is what you did. According to this law, you are dead to rights. Nah, that cant be right. Im going to take my chances at trial. Oops! --- Polite fiction is still fictitious even when no one is offended. <cite>C7D posted [p:899339049] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>MangaFan462 posted...</cite> <quote>Group of worthless thugs break into homes while armed and start a shoot out with the police. The cops ice one of the thugs fortunately. They all get charged with the murder because they were all responsible. One of the idiots refuses the plee deal LOL wtf</quote> I would like to have been a fly on the wall when this dummy was talking to legal aid. Here is what they are charging you with. Here is what you did. According to this law, you are dead to rights. Nah, that cant be right. Im going to take my chances at trial. Oops!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/09/18 1:33:02 PM #79:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... Tyranthraxus posted... Fantastic. Charles Manson is not a murderer but this kid is. What a great legal system we have. In 1971 he was convicted of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of seven people, all of which were carried out at his instruction by members of the group. Manson was also convicted of first-degree murder for two other deaths. Um. What? Hmm I thought he was only charged with conspiracy. Ah well. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:899343078] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote>Fantastic. Charles Manson is not a murderer but this kid is. What a great legal system we have.</quote> In 1971 he was convicted of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of seven people, all of which were carried out at his instruction by members of the group. Manson was also convicted of first-degree murder for two other deaths. Um. What?</quote> Hmm I thought he was only charged with conspiracy. Ah well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninjarobot_22 04/09/18 1:49:43 PM #80:	Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. <cite>ninjarobot_22 posted [p:899343965] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/09/18 1:59:25 PM #81:	"Charles Manson isn't guilty of murder because he never personally killed anyone" - CEmen logic --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899344546] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>"Charles Manson isn't guilty of murder because he never personally killed anyone" - CEmen logic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 04/09/18 2:01:22 PM #82:	voldothegr8 posted... Under Alabama's accomplice liability law, Smith is considered just as culpable in Washington's death as if he had pulled the trigger himself. Don't equate the whole US to this garbage state. As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule, under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states, it is a capital offense Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Florida Georgia Hawaii (abolished) Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky (abolished) Louisiana Maine Maryland[27] Massachusetts[28] Michigan (abolished) Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio (abolished) Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming District of Columbia Federal --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:899344650] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Under Alabama's accomplice liability law, Smith is considered just as culpable in Washington's death as if he had pulled the trigger himself. </quote> Don't equate the whole US to this garbage state.</quote> <quote>As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule, under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states, it is a capital offense Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Florida Georgia Hawaii (abolished) Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky (abolished) Louisiana Maine Maryland[27] Massachusetts[28] Michigan (abolished) Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio (abolished) Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming District of Columbia Federal </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edededdy 04/09/18 2:05:18 PM #83:	sounds like a fair law. dont do the crime if youre not prepared for the consequences. you couldve stopped the bloodshed by not being a shitstain on society --- Voted best user on CE 2017 hahahahah lmfao <cite>edededdy posted [p:899344859] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>sounds like a fair law. dont do the crime if youre not prepared for the consequences. you couldve stopped the bloodshed by not being a shitstain on society</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 04/09/18 2:07:36 PM #84:	Cheater87 posted... Why did he laugh at the sentence he was given? because hes an idiot and has no remorse fully deserves to rot in jail --- http://i.imgur.com/hEL2qQYh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lbSi0U3.png http://i.imgur.com/FA2GxDS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xaRYKZM.png http://i.imgur.com/ZngbqJn.jpg <cite>ModLogic posted [p:899344994] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cheater87 posted...</cite> <quote>Why did he laugh at the sentence he was given?</quote> because hes an idiot and has no remorse fully deserves to rot in jail</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/09/18 2:27:50 PM #85:	Sephiroth1288 posted... "Charles Manson isn't guilty of murder because he never personally killed anyone" - CEmen logic Why are you comparing this case to Charles Manson? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899346118] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>"Charles Manson isn't guilty of murder because he never personally killed anyone" - CEmen logic</quote> Why are you comparing this case to Charles Manson?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/09/18 4:36:05 PM #86:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... "Charles Manson isn't guilty of murder because he never personally killed anyone" - CEmen logic Why are you comparing this case to Charles Manson? I'm countering the "if you personally didn't kill someone then you shouldn't be charged with murder" logic. Obviously there are cases where it makes perfect sense. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899353233] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>"Charles Manson isn't guilty of murder because he never personally killed anyone" - CEmen logic</quote> Why are you comparing this case to Charles Manson?</quote> I'm countering the "if you personally didn't kill someone then you shouldn't be charged with murder" logic. Obviously there are cases where it makes perfect sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/09/18 4:45:09 PM #87:	Sephiroth1288 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Sephiroth1288 posted... "Charles Manson isn't guilty of murder because he never personally killed anyone" - CEmen logic Why are you comparing this case to Charles Manson? I'm countering the "if you personally didn't kill someone then you shouldn't be charged with murder" logic. Obviously there are cases where it makes perfect sense. Well yeah, no one thinks forming a cult and brainwashing followers into committing multiple murders to try and start a race war is something one should get away with just because he didn't kill them himself >_> This case is nothing like that. I think it's stupid as fuck but I have no sympathy for the kid whatsoever. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899353770] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote>"Charles Manson isn't guilty of murder because he never personally killed anyone" - CEmen logic</quote> Why are you comparing this case to Charles Manson?</quote> I'm countering the "if you personally didn't kill someone then you shouldn't be charged with murder" logic. Obviously there are cases where it makes perfect sense.</quote> Well yeah, no one thinks forming a cult and brainwashing followers into committing multiple murders to try and start a race war is something one should get away with just because he didn't kill them himself >_> This case is nothing like that. I think it's stupid as fuck but I have no sympathy for the kid whatsoever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 04/09/18 4:58:13 PM #88:	StucklnMyPants posted... That article also glosses over the fact that the teens fired shots at the officers. The accomplice charge in this case is because they were armed, shot at officers while committing a felony, which resulted in the death of a teen. If the teens shot at people, they should of been charged with attempted murder, not the murder of Washington. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:899354541] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>StucklnMyPants posted...</cite> <quote>That article also glosses over the fact that the teens fired shots at the officers. The accomplice charge in this case is because they were armed, shot at officers while committing a felony, which resulted in the death of a teen.</quote> If the teens shot at people, they should of been charged with attempted murder, not the murder of Washington.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Medz1286 04/09/18 5:02:22 PM #89:	The look out can be charged for murder if a fellow thug is shot by the homeowner. I never heard about a cop however. --- Hi <cite>Medz1286 posted [p:899354776] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>The look out can be charged for murder if a fellow thug is shot by the homeowner. I never heard about a cop however.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sephiroth1288 04/09/18 5:34:12 PM #90:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Well yeah, no one thinks forming a cult and brainwashing followers into committing multiple murders to try and start a race war is something one should get away with just because he didn't kill them himself >_> This case is nothing like that. I think it's stupid as f* but I have no sympathy for the kid whatsoever. If you commit multiple armed robberies with someone and someone dies because of your actions, then yes you are responsible in a direct way for it. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 <cite>Sephiroth1288 posted [p:899356645] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Well yeah, no one thinks forming a cult and brainwashing followers into committing multiple murders to try and start a race war is something one should get away with just because he didn't kill them himself >_> This case is nothing like that. I think it's stupid as f* but I have no sympathy for the kid whatsoever.</quote> If you commit multiple armed robberies with someone and someone dies because of your actions, then yes you are responsible in a direct way for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FreedomEtrtment 04/09/18 5:43:16 PM #91:	There was already a topic on this https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76493637 @stone @KingCrabCake <cite>FreedomEtrtment posted [p:899357160] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>There was already a topic on this https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76493637 @stone @KingCrabCake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 04/09/18 6:02:14 PM #92:	chill02 posted... voldothegr8 posted... Under Alabama's accomplice liability law, Smith is considered just as culpable in Washington's death as if he had pulled the trigger himself. Don't equate the whole US to this garbage state. As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule, under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states, it is a capital offense Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Florida Georgia Hawaii (abolished) Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky (abolished) Louisiana Maine Maryland[27] Massachusetts[28] Michigan (abolished) Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio (abolished) Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming District of Columbia Federal This is misleading, as not all function under the proximate cause theory of felony murder in which a defendant is responsible for any deaths period over the commission of a felony to which he is a party. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:899358318] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>chill02 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Under Alabama's accomplice liability law, Smith is considered just as culpable in Washington's death as if he had pulled the trigger himself. </quote> Don't equate the whole US to this garbage state.</quote> <quote>As of August 2008, 46 states in the United States have a felony murder rule, under which felony murder is generally first-degree murder. In 24 of those states, it is a capital offense Alabama Alaska Arizona Arkansas California Colorado Connecticut Delaware Florida Georgia Hawaii (abolished) Idaho Illinois Indiana Iowa Kansas Kentucky (abolished) Louisiana Maine Maryland[27] Massachusetts[28] Michigan (abolished) Minnesota Mississippi Missouri Montana Nebraska Nevada New Hampshire New Jersey New Mexico New York North Carolina North Dakota Ohio (abolished) Oklahoma Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Tennessee Texas Utah Vermont Virginia Washington West Virginia Wisconsin Wyoming District of Columbia Federal </quote></quote> This is misleading, as not all function under the proximate cause theory of felony murder in which a defendant is responsible for any deaths period over the commission of a felony to which he is a party.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 04/09/18 6:08:02 PM #93:	Sephiroth1288 posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Well yeah, no one thinks forming a cult and brainwashing followers into committing multiple murders to try and start a race war is something one should get away with just because he didn't kill them himself >_> This case is nothing like that. I think it's stupid as f*** but I have no sympathy for the kid whatsoever. If you commit multiple armed robberies with someone and someone dies because of your actions, then yes you are responsible in a direct way for it. an indirect --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:899358669] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sephiroth1288 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Well yeah, no one thinks forming a cult and brainwashing followers into committing multiple murders to try and start a race war is something one should get away with just because he didn't kill them himself >_> This case is nothing like that. I think it's stupid as f** but I have no sympathy for the kid whatsoever.</quote> If you commit multiple armed robberies with someone and someone dies because of your actions, then yes you are responsible in a direct way for it.</quote> *an indirect</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
loafy013 04/09/18 6:17:27 PM #94:	hyperpowder posted... I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense In my simplistic understanding, manslaughter is when a death occurs but no laws were being broken. Like hitting somebody with your car but you were not speeding, swerving, or otherwise impaired. Since this occurred due to a burglary, it fits the definition of murder. --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. <cite>loafy013 posted [p:899359228] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>hyperpowder posted...</cite> <quote>I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense</quote> In my simplistic understanding, manslaughter is when a death occurs but no laws were being broken. Like hitting somebody with your car but you were not speeding, swerving, or otherwise impaired. Since this occurred due to a burglary, it fits the definition of murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 04/09/18 6:38:18 PM #95:	loafy013 posted... In my simplistic understanding, manslaughter is when a death occurs but no laws were being broken. Like hitting somebody with your car but you were not speeding, swerving, or otherwise impaired. Since this occurred due to a burglary, it fits the definition of murder. Manslaughter usual means you kill someone but don't intend to do so. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:899360429] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote>In my simplistic understanding, manslaughter is when a death occurs but no laws were being broken. Like hitting somebody with your car but you were not speeding, swerving, or otherwise impaired. Since this occurred due to a burglary, it fits the definition of murder. </quote> Manslaughter usual means you kill someone but don't intend to do so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 04/10/18 10:10:35 AM #96:	loafy013 posted... hyperpowder posted... I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense In my simplistic understanding, manslaughter is when a death occurs but no laws were being broken. Like hitting somebody with your car but you were not speeding, swerving, or otherwise impaired. Since this occurred due to a burglary, it fits the definition of murder. I thought manslaughter was a killing with a lack of men's rea? --- F.C. Stokalona http://i.imgur.com/CJ0dPBq.jpg <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:899397897] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hyperpowder posted...</cite> <quote>I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense</quote> In my simplistic understanding, manslaughter is when a death occurs but no laws were being broken. Like hitting somebody with your car but you were not speeding, swerving, or otherwise impaired. Since this occurred due to a burglary, it fits the definition of murder.</quote> I thought manslaughter was a killing with a lack of men's rea?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePieReborn 04/10/18 7:36:26 PM #97:	Oatcakes posted... loafy013 posted... hyperpowder posted... I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense In my simplistic understanding, manslaughter is when a death occurs but no laws were being broken. Like hitting somebody with your car but you were not speeding, swerving, or otherwise impaired. Since this occurred due to a burglary, it fits the definition of murder. I thought manslaughter was a killing with a lack of men's rea? Voluntary manslaughter is a killing without malice aforethought and generally has some form of provocation attached (like stumbling on your spouse committing adultery and killing one/both of the parties.) The intent to kill is generally still present, but the circumstances separate it from a murder charge. Involuntary manslaughter is an unintentional killing while committing some unlawful act that doesn't meet felony threshold or while committing a lawful act with criminal negligence. --- Party leader, passive-aggressive doormat, pasta eater extraordinaire! <cite>ThePieReborn posted [p:899429136] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote><cite>Oatcakes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>loafy013 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hyperpowder posted...</cite> <quote>I don't even understand why it's considered murder and not something like manslaughter. That would at least make some sort of sense</quote> In my simplistic understanding, manslaughter is when a death occurs but no laws were being broken. Like hitting somebody with your car but you were not speeding, swerving, or otherwise impaired. Since this occurred due to a burglary, it fits the definition of murder.</quote> I thought manslaughter was a killing with a lack of men's rea?</quote> Voluntary manslaughter is a killing without malice aforethought and generally has some form of provocation attached (like stumbling on your spouse committing adultery and killing one/both of the parties.) The intent to kill is generally still present, but the circumstances separate it from a murder charge. Involuntary manslaughter is an unintentional killing while committing some unlawful act that doesn't meet felony threshold or while committing a lawful act with criminal negligence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Oatcakes 04/10/18 7:38:27 PM #98:	Fair enough, cheers for clarifying. --- F.C. Stokalona http://i.imgur.com/CJ0dPBq.jpg <cite>Oatcakes posted [p:899429255] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>Fair enough, cheers for clarifying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiggetySplicer 04/14/18 5:29:12 AM #100:	only in america <cite>GiggetySplicer posted [p:899632553] in In the USA... [t:76499719]...</cite> <quote>only in america</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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