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AlBundy33 03/04/18 7:51:23 AM #1:	No one knows if god is real There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief --- I need Samuel L. Jackson to narrate my life, because my life requires multiple uses of the word MotherF***er. <cite>AlBundy33 posted [p:897149674] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>No one knows if god is real There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 03/04/18 7:52:17 AM #2:	Black n white thinking there. I'll still keep saying "Dunno, maybe?" Kthx. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:897149697] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>Black n white thinking there. I'll still keep saying "Dunno, maybe?" Kthx.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/04/18 7:59:28 AM #3:	Also with respect to most religions, being agnostic is the same as being atheist because the supposed deity doesn't care if you're on the fence. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897149814] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>Also with respect to most religions, being agnostic is the same as being atheist because the supposed deity doesn't care if you're on the fence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PhlogPyro 03/04/18 8:02:22 AM #4:	Gnosticism is about knowledge. Theism is about belief. You can be an agnostic theist - you believe God exists but don't know for sure. You can be an agnostic atheist - you don't believe God exists but you still accept there's a possibility. You can't just be an agnostic, because either you believe or you don't. --- Join my awful Monster Hunter Discord https://discord.gg/fHzPRMS <cite>PhlogPyro posted [p:897149872] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>Gnosticism is about knowledge. Theism is about belief. You can be an agnostic theist - you believe God exists but don't know for sure. You can be an agnostic atheist - you don't believe God exists but you still accept there's a possibility. You can't just be an agnostic, because either you believe or you don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 03/04/18 8:06:19 AM #5:	AlBundy33 posted... No one knows if god is real There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief Yep there is, and there is a very sensible position. When you're investigating a crime scene, you are looking for clues as to who the killer is. You can't be in a state of belief or disbelief. You're in a state where you don't know, but you're trying to understand. --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:897149963] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>No one knows if god is real There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief</quote> Yep there is, and there is a very sensible position. When you're investigating a crime scene, you are looking for clues as to who the killer is. You can't be in a state of belief or disbelief. You're in a state where you don't know, but you're trying to understand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/04/18 8:58:16 AM #6:	frozenshock posted... AlBundy33 posted... No one knows if god is real There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief Yep there is, and there is a very sensible position. When you're investigating a crime scene, you are looking for clues as to who the killer is. You can't be in a state of belief or disbelief. You're in a state where you don't know, but you're trying to understand. Except when you present your stance as an attorney, your stance is either guilty, or not guilty. No sensible attorney would try and make a case for "I don't know". If you're an agnostic, then you shouldn't participate in debates until you have a stance and staunch defenders of "we don't know/we can't know, my position is better than both because of that" is garbage. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897151170] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>No one knows if god is real There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief</quote> Yep there is, and there is a very sensible position. When you're investigating a crime scene, you are looking for clues as to who the killer is. You can't be in a state of belief or disbelief. You're in a state where you don't know, but you're trying to understand.</quote> Except when you present your stance as an attorney, your stance is either guilty, or not guilty. No sensible attorney would try and make a case for "I don't know". If you're an agnostic, then you shouldn't participate in debates until you have a stance and staunch defenders of "we don't know/we can't know, my position is better than both because of that" is garbage.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 03/04/18 9:06:24 AM #7:	PhlogPyro posted... Gnosticism is about knowledge. Theism is about belief. You can be an agnostic theist - you believe God exists but don't know for sure. You can be an agnostic atheist - you don't believe God exists but you still accept there's a possibility. You can't just be an agnostic, because either you believe or you don't. This. TC comes of as hellah pretentious. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:897151361] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>PhlogPyro posted...</cite> <quote>Gnosticism is about knowledge. Theism is about belief. You can be an agnostic theist - you believe God exists but don't know for sure. You can be an agnostic atheist - you don't believe God exists but you still accept there's a possibility. You can't just be an agnostic, because either you believe or you don't.</quote> This. TC comes of as hellah pretentious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 03/04/18 9:19:54 AM #8:	Hexagon posted... Except when you present your stance as an attorney, your stance is either guilty, or not guilty. No sensible attorney would try and make a case for "I don't know". If you're an agnostic, then you shouldn't participate in debates until you have a stance and staunch defenders of "we don't know/we can't know, my position is better than both because of that" is garbage. But being an attorney is like being a mercenary. You are literally being paid to take a stance. --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:897151727] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote>Except when you present your stance as an attorney, your stance is either guilty, or not guilty. No sensible attorney would try and make a case for "I don't know". If you're an agnostic, then you shouldn't participate in debates until you have a stance and staunch defenders of "we don't know/we can't know, my position is better than both because of that" is garbage.</quote> But being an attorney is like being a mercenary. You are literally being paid to take a stance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
545x39 03/04/18 9:21:14 AM #9:	Agnostics are just atheists without the balls. --- Freya weeps upon her golden throne. https://i.imgtc.com/dD8IIcQ.jpg <cite>545x39 posted [p:897151761] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>Agnostics are just atheists without the balls.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 9:22:55 AM #10:	xD @ TC --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897151800] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>xD @ TC</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Annihilated 03/04/18 9:27:50 AM #12:	$200 says TC is a liberal <cite>Annihilated posted [p:897151952] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>$200 says TC is a liberal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 03/04/18 9:31:16 AM #13:	First, just think about the question. Does god exist? How can you even answer that without a precise definition of "god"? You need to have a clear definition of exactly what something is or is not before you decide whether or not it exists. Is god alive? In what sense? Is god a carbon-based lifeform? No? Then another kind of life? Is god just the personification of the laws of physics? Then yeah, the laws of physics do exist. But you could just go in circles forever and at the end it's just semantics, really. --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:897152060] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>First, just think about the question. Does god exist? How can you even answer that without a precise definition of "god"? You need to have a clear definition of exactly what something is or is not before you decide whether or not it exists. Is god alive? In what sense? Is god a carbon-based lifeform? No? Then another kind of life? Is god just the personification of the laws of physics? Then yeah, the laws of physics do exist. But you could just go in circles forever and at the end it's just semantics, really.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JustMonika 03/04/18 9:40:01 AM #14:	Annihilated posted... $200 says TC is a liberal Where did liberals hurt you? --- https://i.imgtc.com/qJzeN65.png <cite>JustMonika posted [p:897152309] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote>$200 says TC is a liberal</quote> Where did liberals hurt you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/04/18 9:59:16 AM #15:	frozenshock posted... First, just think about the question. Does god exist? How can you even answer that without a precise definition of "god"? You need to have a clear definition of exactly what something is or is not before you decide whether or not it exists. Is god alive? In what sense? Is god a carbon-based lifeform? No? Then another kind of life? Is god just the personification of the laws of physics? Then yeah, the laws of physics do exist. But you could just go in circles forever and at the end it's just semantics, really. How about the creator as described in holy book "X"? If someone believes in the existence of a being that is described through a book (you know, contemporary religions), and claims attributed to that being can be shown to be false, then who cares if this being is carbon-based or alive, or another kind of life? <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897152912] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>frozenshock posted...</cite> <quote>First, just think about the question. Does god exist? How can you even answer that without a precise definition of "god"? You need to have a clear definition of exactly what something is or is not before you decide whether or not it exists. Is god alive? In what sense? Is god a carbon-based lifeform? No? Then another kind of life? Is god just the personification of the laws of physics? Then yeah, the laws of physics do exist. But you could just go in circles forever and at the end it's just semantics, really.</quote> How about the creator as described in holy book "X"? If someone believes in the existence of a being that is described through a book (you know, contemporary religions), and claims attributed to that being can be shown to be false, then who cares if this being is carbon-based or alive, or another kind of life?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dustin1280 03/04/18 10:02:22 AM #17:	It's quite simple really TC. I don't believe in any of the gods of various religions. But since it is also impossible to know how we came to be in the first place, I won't discount that a higher being MIGHT have been responsible for us. If said higher being DID create us, I doubt he cares about worship and has probably moved on to his next experiment... --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897152997] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>It's quite simple really TC. I don't believe in any of the gods of various religions. But since it is also impossible to know how we came to be in the first place, I won't discount that a higher being MIGHT have been responsible for us. If said higher being DID create us, I doubt he cares about worship and has probably moved on to his next experiment...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
k debonair 03/04/18 10:05:52 AM #18:	AlBundy33 posted... There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief False: there is also the "I don't think about this and therefore have no opinion" position. For some of us, whether there is or isn't a god it not a matter of any concern, so we don't bother thinking about it. It simply isn't relevant in our lives. --- From: CJayC \| Posted: 6/3/2003 GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. <cite>k debonair posted [p:897153106] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief</quote> False: there is also the "I don't think about this and therefore have no opinion" position. For some of us, whether there is or isn't a god it not a matter of any concern, so we don't bother thinking about it. It simply isn't relevant in our lives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 03/04/18 10:08:50 AM #19:	k debonair posted... AlBundy33 posted... There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief False: there is also the "I don't think about this and therefore have no opinion" position. For some of us, whether there is or isn't a god it not a matter of any concern, so we don't bother thinking about it. It simply isn't relevant in our lives. That is the most unlikely thing I've ever read. --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:897153186] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>k debonair posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief</quote> False: there is also the "I don't think about this and therefore have no opinion" position. For some of us, whether there is or isn't a god it not a matter of any concern, so we don't bother thinking about it. It simply isn't relevant in our lives.</quote> That is the most unlikely thing I've ever read.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
k debonair 03/04/18 10:10:40 AM #20:	MorbidFaithless posted... That is the most unlikely thing I've ever read. What is your opinion on the upcoming Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition? What? you don't have one? Don't you have an opinion on which team is going to win? I find that highly unlikely. --- From: CJayC \| Posted: 6/3/2003 GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. <cite>k debonair posted [p:897153235] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>That is the most unlikely thing I've ever read.</quote> What is your opinion on the upcoming Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition? What? you don't have one? Don't you have an opinion on which team is going to win? I find that highly unlikely.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/04/18 10:20:39 AM #21:	k debonair posted... MorbidFaithless posted... That is the most unlikely thing I've ever read. What is your opinion on the upcoming Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition? What? you don't have one? Don't you have an opinion on which team is going to win? I find that highly unlikely. Ask me if I believe there is a Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897153602] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>k debonair posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>That is the most unlikely thing I've ever read.</quote> What is your opinion on the upcoming Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition? What? you don't have one? Don't you have an opinion on which team is going to win? I find that highly unlikely.</quote> Ask me if I believe there is a Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bkkorps 03/04/18 10:28:40 AM #22:	k debonair posted... AlBundy33 posted... There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief False: there is also the "I don't think about this and therefore have no opinion" position. For some of us, whether there is or isn't a god it not a matter of any concern, so we don't bother thinking about it. It simply isn't relevant in our lives. so you are an atheist. A and Not A are the only two options. if you arent A, you are Not A. --- Minnesota is like having sex in The Boundary Waters. ****ing close to Canada. <cite>bkkorps posted [p:897153863] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>k debonair posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlBundy33 posted...</cite> <quote>There is only TWO states you can possibly exist in, either you believe, or you dont, there is no idk lol when it comes to belief</quote> False: there is also the "I don't think about this and therefore have no opinion" position. For some of us, whether there is or isn't a god it not a matter of any concern, so we don't bother thinking about it. It simply isn't relevant in our lives.</quote> so you are an atheist. A and Not A are the only two options. if you arent A, you are Not A.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 03/04/18 10:30:08 AM #23:	Hexagon posted... k debonair posted... MorbidFaithless posted... That is the most unlikely thing I've ever read. What is your opinion on the upcoming Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition? What? you don't have one? Don't you have an opinion on which team is going to win? I find that highly unlikely. Ask me if I believe there is a Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition. Exactly. Do you believe in a giant floating eyeball that controls the universe from the center of stone henge? No? Why not? --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:897153906] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>k debonair posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote>That is the most unlikely thing I've ever read.</quote> What is your opinion on the upcoming Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition? What? you don't have one? Don't you have an opinion on which team is going to win? I find that highly unlikely.</quote> Ask me if I believe there is a Zimbabwean speed crocheting competition.</quote> Exactly. Do you believe in a giant floating eyeball that controls the universe from the center of stone henge? No? Why not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 03/04/18 10:34:12 AM #24:	There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:897154052] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
k debonair 03/04/18 10:38:34 AM #25:	bkkorps posted... so you are an atheist. A and Not A are the only two options. if you arent A, you are Not A. I guess, in the same same sense that newborn babies are atheist, or aliens from another dimension and foreign to human beliefs are also atheist. --- From: CJayC \| Posted: 6/3/2003 GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. <cite>k debonair posted [p:897154209] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>bkkorps posted...</cite> <quote>so you are an atheist. A and Not A are the only two options. if you arent A, you are Not A.</quote> I guess, in the same same sense that newborn babies are atheist, or aliens from another dimension and foreign to human beliefs are also atheist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheGrindery 03/04/18 10:40:40 AM #26:	The "You gotta pick a side or stay out of it!" crowd just likes to argue. That's all it boils down to. <cite>TheGrindery posted [p:897154295] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>The "You gotta pick a side or stay out of it!" crowd just likes to argue. That's all it boils down to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HypnoCoosh 03/04/18 10:42:32 AM #27:	Religion is not equal to God from an agnostic point of view. The concept of "God" is vastly greater than religion. This is a horrible topic. --- We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis <cite>HypnoCoosh posted [p:897154351] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>Religion is not equal to God from an agnostic point of view. The concept of "God" is vastly greater than religion. This is a horrible topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/04/18 10:52:44 AM #28:	TheGrindery posted... The "You gotta pick a side or stay out of it!" crowd just likes to argue. That's all it boils down to. You make it sound like arguing is a bad thing. Do you know what it means to argue or to use an argument? <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897154689] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheGrindery posted...</cite> <quote>The "You gotta pick a side or stay out of it!" crowd just likes to argue. That's all it boils down to.</quote> You make it sound like arguing is a bad thing. Do you know what it means to argue or to use an argument?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dragonblade01 03/04/18 10:58:52 AM #30:	RedWhiteBlue posted... Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s) As an atheist, this is not what I believe. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:897154913] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s)</quote> As an atheist, this is not what I believe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 11:01:55 AM #31:	Dragonblade01 posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s) As an atheist, this is not what I believe. You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897155030] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s)</quote> As an atheist, this is not what I believe.</quote> You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 03/04/18 11:26:33 AM #32:	Dragonblade01 posted... There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown except 3) is true for everyone because we're in the same boat. everyone is agnostic, so I always found it a pointless thing to say. it just comes down to whether you believe in a god (or gods or spiritual forces or whatever) or not. It's ok to say you do or don't. none of us know if any of it is true --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:897156024] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown</quote> except 3) is true for everyone because we're in the same boat. everyone is agnostic, so I always found it a pointless thing to say. it just comes down to whether you believe in a god (or gods or spiritual forces or whatever) or not. It's ok to say you do or don't. none of us know if any of it is true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 11:33:10 AM #33:	ThyCorndog posted... Dragonblade01 posted... There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown except 3) is true for everyone because we're in the same boat. everyone is agnostic, so I always found it a pointless thing to say. it just comes down to whether you believe in a god (or gods or spiritual forces or whatever) or not. It's ok to say you do or don't. none of us know if any of it is true Atheists KNOW 100% god/gods aren't real for whatever reason. Theists KNOW 100% their god/gods ARE real for whatever reason. Agnostic can lean either direction but doesn't go so far as to stay such a thing does or doesn't exist. They are open to the possibility that whatever way they lean might actually be wrong. The Atheists/Theists are not. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897156309] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown</quote> except 3) is true for everyone because we're in the same boat. everyone is agnostic, so I always found it a pointless thing to say. it just comes down to whether you believe in a god (or gods or spiritual forces or whatever) or not. It's ok to say you do or don't. none of us know if any of it is true</quote> Atheists KNOW 100% god/gods aren't real for whatever reason. Theists KNOW 100% their god/gods ARE real for whatever reason. Agnostic can lean either direction but doesn't go so far as to stay such a thing does or doesn't exist. They are open to the possibility that whatever way they lean might actually be wrong. The Atheists/Theists are not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 03/04/18 11:33:22 AM #34:	Dustin1280 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s) As an atheist, this is not what I believe. You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. That definition (which is my actual stance) and what the user I quoted said are two extremely different things. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:897156321] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s)</quote> As an atheist, this is not what I believe.</quote> You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.</quote> That definition (which is my actual stance) and what the user I quoted said are two extremely different things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 11:35:13 AM #35:	Dragonblade01 posted... Dustin1280 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s) As an atheist, this is not what I believe. You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. That definition (which is my actual stance) and what the user I quoted said are two extremely different things. If you believe there is even a chance that gods or a higher being exist, then you are not atheist. You are agnostic atheist if you want to get specific... Atheism is one extreme while THEISM is the other EDIT: Deism was the wrong word for comparison, updated to theism. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897156386] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s)</quote> As an atheist, this is not what I believe.</quote> You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.</quote> That definition (which is my actual stance) and what the user I quoted said are two extremely different things.</quote> If you believe there is even a chance that gods or a higher being exist, then you are not atheist. You are agnostic atheist if you want to get specific... Atheism is one extreme while THEISM is the other EDIT: Deism was the wrong word for comparison, updated to theism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 03/04/18 11:38:13 AM #36:	ThyCorndog posted... Dragonblade01 posted... There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown except 3) is true for everyone because we're in the same boat. everyone is agnostic, so I always found it a pointless thing to say. it just comes down to whether you believe in a god (or gods or spiritual forces or whatever) or not. It's ok to say you do or don't. none of us know if any of it is true I was talking about the stances one could take, not dealing with the issue of whether or not we truly know something. A person could say they don't know or they could say it is not true. An atheist could take either stance. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:897156491] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown</quote> except 3) is true for everyone because we're in the same boat. everyone is agnostic, so I always found it a pointless thing to say. it just comes down to whether you believe in a god (or gods or spiritual forces or whatever) or not. It's ok to say you do or don't. none of us know if any of it is true</quote> I was talking about the stances one could take, not dealing with the issue of whether or not we truly know something. A person could say they don't know or they could say it is not true. An atheist could take either stance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 03/04/18 11:43:29 AM #37:	Dustin1280 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Dustin1280 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s) As an atheist, this is not what I believe. You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. That definition (which is my actual stance) and what the user I quoted said are two extremely different things. If you believe there is even a chance that gods or a higher being exist, then you are not atheist. You are agnostic atheist if you want to get specific... Atheism is one extreme while Deism is the other You said I wasn't an atheist and then said I was a kind of atheist. I'm not sure you've properly considered the definitions you use. And theism is typically the counterpart to atheism. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:897156706] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s)</quote> As an atheist, this is not what I believe.</quote> You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.</quote> That definition (which is my actual stance) and what the user I quoted said are two extremely different things.</quote> If you believe there is even a chance that gods or a higher being exist, then you are not atheist. You are agnostic atheist if you want to get specific... Atheism is one extreme while Deism is the other</quote> You said I wasn't an atheist and then said I was a kind of atheist. I'm not sure you've properly considered the definitions you use. And theism is typically the counterpart to atheism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 11:46:47 AM #38:	Dragonblade01 posted... Dustin1280 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Dustin1280 posted... Dragonblade01 posted... RedWhiteBlue posted... Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s) As an atheist, this is not what I believe. You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods. That definition (which is my actual stance) and what the user I quoted said are two extremely different things. If you believe there is even a chance that gods or a higher being exist, then you are not atheist. You are agnostic atheist if you want to get specific... Atheism is one extreme while Deism is the other You said I wasn't an atheist and then said I was a kind of atheist. I'm not sure you've properly considered the definitions you use. And theism is typically the counterpart to atheism. No I didn't say you were "kind of atheist." Atheists do not believe in any gods whatsoever and do not believe there is a chance they are wrong. Someone who holds the belief that they do not believe in gods but don't outright dismiss them as not a possibility is agnostic atheist. You are right deism was the wrong word, theism is proper in this case apologies on that. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897156853] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RedWhiteBlue posted...</cite> <quote>Atheism is that you firmly believe there is no god(s)</quote> As an atheist, this is not what I believe.</quote> You probably aren't an atheist then, by definition that is what an atheist is. atheism noun disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.</quote> That definition (which is my actual stance) and what the user I quoted said are two extremely different things.</quote> If you believe there is even a chance that gods or a higher being exist, then you are not atheist. You are agnostic atheist if you want to get specific... Atheism is one extreme while Deism is the other</quote> You said I wasn't an atheist and then said I was a kind of atheist. I'm not sure you've properly considered the definitions you use. And theism is typically the counterpart to atheism.</quote> No I didn't say you were "kind of atheist." Atheists do not believe in any gods whatsoever and do not believe there is a chance they are wrong. Someone who holds the belief that they do not believe in gods but don't outright dismiss them as not a possibility is agnostic atheist. You are right deism was the wrong word, theism is proper in this case apologies on that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 03/04/18 11:51:10 AM #39:	Dustin1280 posted... ThyCorndog posted... Dragonblade01 posted... There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown except 3) is true for everyone because we're in the same boat. everyone is agnostic, so I always found it a pointless thing to say. it just comes down to whether you believe in a god (or gods or spiritual forces or whatever) or not. It's ok to say you do or don't. none of us know if any of it is true Atheists KNOW 100% god/gods aren't real for whatever reason. Theists KNOW 100% their god/gods ARE real for whatever reason. Agnostic can lean either direction but doesn't go so far as to stay such a thing does or doesn't exist. They are open to the possibility that whatever way they lean might actually be wrong. The Atheists/Theists are not. You can actually be an agnostic or gnostic atheist. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:897157041] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ThyCorndog posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>There are only three positions someone can take on any claim "x." 1) X is true 2) X is not true 3) X's truth value is unknown</quote> except 3) is true for everyone because we're in the same boat. everyone is agnostic, so I always found it a pointless thing to say. it just comes down to whether you believe in a god (or gods or spiritual forces or whatever) or not. It's ok to say you do or don't. none of us know if any of it is true</quote> Atheists KNOW 100% god/gods aren't real for whatever reason. Theists KNOW 100% their god/gods ARE real for whatever reason. Agnostic can lean either direction but doesn't go so far as to stay such a thing does or doesn't exist. They are open to the possibility that whatever way they lean might actually be wrong. The Atheists/Theists are not.</quote> You can actually be an agnostic or gnostic atheist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorbidFaithless 03/04/18 11:51:36 AM #40:	Dustin1280 posted... Atheists do not believe in any gods whatsoever and do not believe there is a chance they are wrong. I don't think anyone has ever said that Because they're functionally the same thing Even if there was a possibility, I still don't believe it, because I have no reason to. I don't think I'm wrong but if evidence was presented to the contrary, I'm sure most atheists would change their position. --- walk like thunder <cite>MorbidFaithless posted [p:897157050] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Atheists do not believe in any gods whatsoever and do not believe there is a chance they are wrong.</quote> I don't think anyone has ever said that Because they're functionally the same thing Even if there was a possibility, I still don't believe it, because I have no reason to. I don't think I'm wrong but if evidence was presented to the contrary, I'm sure most atheists would change their position.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 12:01:09 PM #41:	MorbidFaithless posted... Dustin1280 posted... Atheists do not believe in any gods whatsoever and do not believe there is a chance they are wrong. I don't think anyone has ever said that Because they're functionally the same thing Even if there was a possibility, I still don't believe it, because I have no reason to. I don't think I'm wrong but if evidence was presented to the contrary, I'm sure most atheists would change their position. Simply put if you are open to the chance that gods exist at all, then you are agnostic atheist, not purely atheist. On the other hand if you believe that gods don't exist and that it is possible to know this then Gnostic Atheist is more apt which really is just plain atheist. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897157479] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>MorbidFaithless posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Atheists do not believe in any gods whatsoever and do not believe there is a chance they are wrong.</quote> I don't think anyone has ever said that Because they're functionally the same thing Even if there was a possibility, I still don't believe it, because I have no reason to. I don't think I'm wrong but if evidence was presented to the contrary, I'm sure most atheists would change their position.</quote> Simply put if you are open to the chance that gods exist at all, then you are agnostic atheist, not purely atheist. On the other hand if you believe that gods don't exist and that it is possible to know this then Gnostic Atheist is more apt which really is just plain atheist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/04/18 12:12:01 PM #42:	Dustin1280 posted... Atheists KNOW 100% god/gods aren't real for whatever reason. Theists KNOW 100% their god/gods ARE real for whatever reason. Agnostic can lean either direction but doesn't go so far as to stay such a thing does or doesn't exist. They are open to the possibility that whatever way they lean might actually be wrong. The Atheists/Theists are not. That's not an accurate way to describe atheism. I can say that I know for sure that there is currently no cure for all cancers. But in the future I can be proved wrong and my knowledge will reflect that. You make atheists come off as written in stone and unwilling to change belief and agnostics as the rational people capable of open thought. "Knowing" is malleable and can be changed, its not immutable and eternal. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897157932] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote> Atheists KNOW 100% god/gods aren't real for whatever reason. Theists KNOW 100% their god/gods ARE real for whatever reason. Agnostic can lean either direction but doesn't go so far as to stay such a thing does or doesn't exist. They are open to the possibility that whatever way they lean might actually be wrong. The Atheists/Theists are not.</quote> That's not an accurate way to describe atheism. I can say that I know for sure that there is currently no cure for all cancers. But in the future I can be proved wrong and my knowledge will reflect that. You make atheists come off as written in stone and unwilling to change belief and agnostics as the rational people capable of open thought. "Knowing" is malleable and can be changed, its not immutable and eternal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 12:15:13 PM #43:	Perhaps it's better to describe it this way. Atheist/Theist/Deist = Belief Agnostic/Gnostic = Knowledge If one is a agnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods, but they admit they might be wrong and do not claim that with 100% certainty. If one is a gnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods and they claim that with 100% certainty because they KNOW that to be true (for whatever reason) --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897158038] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>Perhaps it's better to describe it this way. Atheist/Theist/Deist = Belief Agnostic/Gnostic = Knowledge If one is a agnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods, but they admit they might be wrong and do not claim that with 100% certainty. If one is a gnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods and they claim that with 100% certainty because they KNOW that to be true (for whatever reason)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 03/04/18 12:19:14 PM #44:	Dustin1280 posted... Perhaps it's better to describe it this way. Atheist/Theist/Deist = Belief Agnostic/Gnostic = Knowledge If one is a agnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods, but they admit they might be wrong and do not claim that with 100% certainty. If one is a gnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods and they claim that with 100% certainty because they KNOW that to be true (for whatever reason) That's total horseshit. Atheist is based on philosophy, in particular arguments. There is no sound argument for the existence of God. Do you know what the word philosophy means? I'll give you hint, its not love of beliefs. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:897158225] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Perhaps it's better to describe it this way. Atheist/Theist/Deist = Belief Agnostic/Gnostic = Knowledge If one is a agnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods, but they admit they might be wrong and do not claim that with 100% certainty. If one is a gnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods and they claim that with 100% certainty because they KNOW that to be true (for whatever reason)</quote> That's total horseshit. Atheist is based on philosophy, in particular arguments. There is no sound argument for the existence of God. Do you know what the word philosophy means? I'll give you hint, its not love of beliefs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 12:27:07 PM #45:	Hexagon posted... Dustin1280 posted... Perhaps it's better to describe it this way. Atheist/Theist/Deist = Belief Agnostic/Gnostic = Knowledge If one is a agnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods, but they admit they might be wrong and do not claim that with 100% certainty. If one is a gnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods and they claim that with 100% certainty because they KNOW that to be true (for whatever reason) That's total horseshit. Atheist is based on philosophy, in particular arguments. There is no sound argument for the existence of God. Do you know what the word philosophy means? I'll give you hint, its not love of beliefs. No matter how you look at it an atheist believes that gods do not exist, regardless of what such a belief or lack of belief is based on or where it came from. Further an agnostic person would say they cannot be 100% sure of whatever said belief is. While a gnostic person would say they are 100% sure in their belief (for whatever reason that may be) --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897158548] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote>Perhaps it's better to describe it this way. Atheist/Theist/Deist = Belief Agnostic/Gnostic = Knowledge If one is a agnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods, but they admit they might be wrong and do not claim that with 100% certainty. If one is a gnostic atheist than they do not belief in gods and they claim that with 100% certainty because they KNOW that to be true (for whatever reason)</quote> That's total horseshit. Atheist is based on philosophy, in particular arguments. There is no sound argument for the existence of God. Do you know what the word philosophy means? I'll give you hint, its not love of beliefs.</quote> No matter how you look at it an atheist believes that gods do not exist, regardless of what such a belief or lack of belief is based on or where it came from. Further an agnostic person would say they cannot be 100% sure of whatever said belief is. While a gnostic person would say they are 100% sure in their belief (for whatever reason that may be)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/04/18 12:47:13 PM #46:	Am I wrong in thinking that believing something doesn't exist=/=lack of belief? A lack of belief isnt necessarily a belief in itself. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:897159454] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>Am I wrong in thinking that believing something doesn't exist=/=lack of belief? A lack of belief isnt necessarily a belief in itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 12:56:35 PM #47:	Smashingpmkns posted... Am I wrong in thinking that believing something doesn't exist=/=lack of belief? A lack of belief isnt necessarily a belief in itself. A lack of belief would infer that they are assuming the default position, where said default position is that gods don't exist. Since there is not enough proof one way or the other, that assumption and default position is objectively wrong. They are actively taking a side in that they do not BELIEVE god exists. @Asherlee10 I am interested in your take on this topic. --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897159914] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Am I wrong in thinking that believing something doesn't exist=/=lack of belief? A lack of belief isnt necessarily a belief in itself.</quote> A lack of belief would infer that they are assuming the default position, where said default position is that gods don't exist. Since there is not enough proof one way or the other, that assumption and default position is objectively wrong. They are actively taking a side in that they do not BELIEVE god exists. @Asherlee10 I am interested in your take on this topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 03/04/18 1:24:16 PM #48:	Dustin1280 posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Am I wrong in thinking that believing something doesn't exist=/=lack of belief? A lack of belief isnt necessarily a belief in itself. A lack of belief would infer that they are assuming the default position, where said default position is that gods don't exist. Since there is not enough proof one way or the other, that assumption and default position is objectively wrong. They are actively taking a side in that they do not BELIEVE gods exists. @Asherlee10 I am interested in your take on this topic. I don't agree. The only reason why an atheist's "beliefs" are even being questioned is because something that has no basis in time/reality is being proposed. Therefore stating that an atheist is actively not believing in something is pretty disingenuous as that rhetoric is purely to aid the theist's side semantically. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:897161245] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dustin1280 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Am I wrong in thinking that believing something doesn't exist=/=lack of belief? A lack of belief isnt necessarily a belief in itself.</quote> A lack of belief would infer that they are assuming the default position, where said default position is that gods don't exist. Since there is not enough proof one way or the other, that assumption and default position is objectively wrong. They are actively taking a side in that they do not BELIEVE gods exists. @Asherlee10 I am interested in your take on this topic.</quote> I don't agree. The only reason why an atheist's "beliefs" are even being questioned is because something that has no basis in time/reality is being proposed. Therefore stating that an atheist is actively not believing in something is pretty disingenuous as that rhetoric is purely to aid the theist's side semantically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inferno Dive Dragoon 03/04/18 1:29:30 PM #49:	I don't know and I don't care one way or the other, it also doesn't concern me what other people choose to believe in, hence my being agnostic. By the same token, I don't know why other people have ever cared about me "picking a side" when nothing changes in my life (or theirs) whether I chose to believe in gods or not. It's a literally pointless decision for me to make. --- Les aristocrates a la lanterne! Les aristocrates on les pendra! <cite>Inferno Dive Dragoon posted [p:897161507] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote>I don't know and I don't care one way or the other, it also doesn't concern me what other people choose to believe in, hence my being agnostic. By the same token, I don't know why other people have ever cared about me "picking a side" when nothing changes in my life (or theirs) whether I chose to believe in gods or not. It's a literally pointless decision for me to make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dustin1280 03/04/18 1:34:33 PM #50:	Smashingpmkns posted... I don't agree. The only reason why an atheist's "beliefs" are even being questioned is because something that has no basis in time/reality is being proposed. Therefore stating that an atheist is actively not believing in something is pretty disingenuous as that rhetoric is purely to aid the theist's side semantically. Based on what we know, it is impossible to prove that gods exist or do not exist. Somehow assuming that the "gods don't exist" is the default position based on no facts that prove such a default position is taking a side and believing that your side is correct even though there isn't anything to prove it. Atheists believe that gods don't exist (even if they want to try to sidestep such a belief with phrases like "lack of belief") is just as impossible to prove as theists who believe their gods do exist. I personally don't believe in any theist nonsense, but I am not arrogant enough to proclaim that they are all loons and 100% wrong simply because I want my "position" to be the default. You can take that a step further as well. What about a deists view? Why isn't that the default? --- RIP: Canuklehead, Karma: 1369 // RIP: Gen_Lee_Enfield, Karma: 1731 // RIP: Orlando of the Axe, Karma: 1642 // RIP nayr626 Karma: 4395 --They delivered! <cite>Dustin1280 posted [p:897161731] in Agnosticis... [t:76379394]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>I don't agree. The only reason why an atheist's "beliefs" are even being questioned is because something that has no basis in time/reality is being proposed. Therefore stating that an atheist is actively not believing in something is pretty disingenuous as that rhetoric is purely to aid the theist's side semantically.</quote> Based on what we know, it is impossible to prove that gods exist or do not exist. Somehow assuming that the "gods don't exist" is the default position based on no facts that prove such a default position is taking a side and believing that your side is correct even though there isn't anything to prove it. Atheists believe that gods don't exist (even if they want to try to sidestep such a belief with phrases like "lack of belief") is just as impossible to prove as theists who believe their gods do exist. I personally don't believe in any theist nonsense, but I am not arrogant enough to proclaim that they are all loons and 100% wrong simply because I want my "position" to be the default. You can take that a step further as well. What about a deists view? Why isn't that the default?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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