Current Events > GOP Rep: 'How many Jews were put in the ovens because they were unarmed?'

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/375965-gop-lawmaker-how-many-jews-were-put-in-the-ovens-because-they-were-unarmed


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He's got a point.
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knew it. a republican made that statement.
seems they love to give a low blow to the jewish.
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SK8T3R215 posted...

He's got a point.

NO

NO HE DOESN'T

stop IT
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Fifty million in Russia

What?
I mean, I don't care about using historical events to push a political agenda but come correct.
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Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.
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Where the fuck do you even begin with a statement like that?
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JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.
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JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

Stop repeating this soyboy sentiment.

Does he even know what happened in Warsaw? Does he know that many of them had no idea what they were being led to?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Imagine thinking that could ever happen on a remotely effective scale.
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

Stop repeating this soyboy sentiment.

Stop being dumb and making people tell you the obvious.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Half the US budget goes to the military and you think citizens have a chance?
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What an idiot, the Jews had armored suits and all kinds of weaponry, they just didn't use them.
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_BlueMonk posted...

SK8T3R215 posted...

He's got a point.

NO

NO HE DOESN'T

stop IT

20/20 hindsight, absolutely they should have fought the Nazis with lethal force at every turn. If we have something resembling a Night of Glass here, absolutely the victims should arm themselves and escalate and response in the most viscous possible way.

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

The Nazis hid the Holocaust even from the German citizens and relied heavily on local officials, local policy and community leaders. The military didn't just show up with tanks and cart people away day one. What do you think the best course of action for the Jews relegated to the ghettos was?
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El_Lingo posted...

What an idiot, the Jews had armored suits and all kinds of weaponry, they just didn't use them.

Only if they built more golems.
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CanuckCowboy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Imagine thinking that could ever happen on a remotely effective scale.

It has happened effectively in Vietnam, the Middle East, etc. Throughout history.
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UrCa1988 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Half the US budget goes to the military and you think citizens have a chance?

Absolutely, especially when you consider the fact that some in the military would unite with the resistance to create a bigger resistance.

Without weapons, citizens just get mowed down / raped / rounded up in extermination camps. History shows this.
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Even if the Jewish people targeted by the Nazis turned it out fighting back, they were going to lose. That's no different from those idiots who fantasize about taking on the army with their aks.

Except the part where it's appallingly tone deaf with a hint of Holocaust trivialization.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

CanuckCowboy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Imagine thinking that could ever happen on a remotely effective scale.

It has happened effectively in Vietnam, the Middle East, etc. Throughout history.

Imagine thinking the Vietnam war is remotely comparable to nazi Germany. Or to a scenario where the US turns its military might on its citizens.
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if the Jews were armed...then wouldn't the native fascists who were trying to genocide them out be armed as well?

not a smart talking point.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

It has happened effectively in Vietnam, the Middle East, etc. Throughout history.

Yeah, but they were actually willing to fight.

They're probably right, most people of fighting age are not even close to being able to fight from a physical or mental standpoint.

We're talking about a generation that gets PTSD from being yelled at by their parents.

hollow_shrine posted...

Even if the Jewish people targeted by the Nazis turned it out fighting back, they were going to lose. That's no different from those idiots who fantasize about taking on the army with their aks.

Except the part where it's appallingly tone deaf with a hint of Holocaust trivialization.

The Jewish people would've had a chance at self defense and would've fractured Nazi Germany, tbqh. Civil war and guerrilla warfare are deadly.
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Where is the decency? The shame? This is embarrassing. Is literally nothing sacred?
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CanuckCowboy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

CanuckCowboy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Imagine thinking that could ever happen on a remotely effective scale.

It has happened effectively in Vietnam, the Middle East, etc. Throughout history.

Imagine thinking the Vietnam war is remotely comparable to nazi Germany. Or to a scenario where the US turns its military might on its citizens.

It is one of many examples of how effective guerilla warfare is at destabilizing entrenched powers and invaders.
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Youngster_Joey_ posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

It has happened effectively in Vietnam, the Middle East, etc. Throughout history.

Yeah, but they were actually willing to fight.

They're probably right, most people of fighting age are not even close to being able to fight from a physical or mental standpoint.

We're talking about a generation that gets PTSD from being yelled at by their parents.

This.

And that's only one of a number of significant problems with the logic.
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guns certainly save lives every day just look at the brave policemen and women who have to protect themselves from drivers of unregistered vehicles, sometimes they just have to shoot you know?

I am really confused where 50 million Russians comes from though.
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CanuckCowboy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

CanuckCowboy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Imagine thinking that could ever happen on a remotely effective scale.

It has happened effectively in Vietnam, the Middle East, etc. Throughout history.

Imagine thinking the Vietnam war is remotely comparable to nazi Germany. Or to a scenario where the US turns its military might on its citizens.

It's an example sure, but it's a wholly irrelevant one compared to either nazi Germany or a potential clash between us military and citizenry.
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Is he saying we should give all our guns to George Soros?
I thought Republicans didn't like Soros but hey he said it.
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CanuckCowboy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Imagine thinking that could ever happen on a remotely effective scale.

Is this guy fucking serious?

Ancient
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lol

You guys are too dishonest if you really want to argue that it'd make no difference in America or in any other civilized country.

Don't underestimate the placating effect an armed population has on fascists and tyrants and invaders.

You would never succeed in executing people the way Nazi Germany did if gun ownership was a right.
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Annihilated posted...

CanuckCowboy posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Imagine thinking that could ever happen on a remotely effective scale.

Is this guy fucking serious?

Ancient
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lol

Yep.

You must be really really really dumb to be making a post like that. That's ok though.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

You guys are too dishonest if you really want to argue that it'd make no difference in America or in any other civilized country.

Don't underestimate the placating effect an armed population has on fascists and tyrants and invaders.

You would never succeed in executing people the way Nazi Germany did if gun ownership was a right.

I'm not saying it'd make absolutely zero difference I'm saying that in the end it wouldn't change a fucking thing and only a dimwit would believe otherwise. I'm saying it would *not make a significant difference.

If you can't understand why it's not a discussion worth having with you.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Especially when you outnumber them greatly.

The only problem is that society also plays a part in this.

The people who were in the camps could've taken on the guards with minimal casualties... the problem is that no one wants to stand out. This happens in almost every situation where a massive amount of people are controlled by a few. It is very hard to stand up to authority.

...but honestly, many of the Jewish people who were 'taken' knew it was a death sentence... thats why many 'hid' in attics, basements, etc. If they were able to defend themselves at that point, maybe things would've changed.
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> Can't win the war on drugs.
> Could/would immediately under absolute loyal fascist regime squelch a guerilla movement ran by patriots.
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MaverickXeo posted...

The people who were in the camps could've taken on the guards with minimal casualties... the problem is that no one wants to stand out. This happens in almost every situation where a massive amount of people are controlled by a few. It is very hard to stand up to authority.

It's even more difficult when your cultural reforms are actually popular with people because you're promising to restore their cultural pride.
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JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

Ever seen the movie Defiance?
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MaverickXeo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Especially when you outnumber them greatly.

The only problem is that society also plays a part in this.

The people who were in the camps could've taken on the guards with minimal casualties... the problem is that no one wants to stand out. This happens in almost every situation where a massive amount of people are controlled by a few. It is very hard to stand up to authority.

I actually watched a fascinating video on that that recreated Milgrams experiments with different circumstances. In every one, no one stood up, but when they had one (control) person who they thought was with them stand up, a whole bunch stood with him.

So it only takes one to go against the grain for the ripple effect to bring change. Granted, these people weren't fearing for their lives, I just thought it was interesting.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

> Can't win the war on drugs.
> Could/would immediately under absolute loyal fascist regime squelch a guerilla movement ran by patriots.

Talk about a non equivalence argument...
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Yeah instead of ovens and gas chambers they just would have been killed with guns. They would have taken some nazis with them but ultimately still would have been wiped out probably to the same number. Them being armed wouldnt have prevented the horrors that happened.

Now yes the Nazi disarming of Jews was the first step, as was taking away their businesses, forcing them to move and many other steps that lead to the horrors they faced.

Thing is this is fear mongering, this it taking the worst possible scenario and saying This might happen if we lose our guns. Even if the chance of that happening is nearly zero.
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SomeonesAlt posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

JuanCarlos1 posted...

Same thing that would happen here. No gun or militia will save you from a whole army.

it makes a huge difference. an armed population has a chance to create resistance groups.

Especially when you outnumber them greatly.

The only problem is that society also plays a part in this.

The people who were in the camps could've taken on the guards with minimal casualties... the problem is that no one wants to stand out. This happens in almost every situation where a massive amount of people are controlled by a few. It is very hard to stand up to authority.

I actually watched a fascinating video on that that recreated Milgrams experiments with different circumstances. In every one, no one stood up, but when they had one (control) person who they thought was with them stand up, a whole bunch stood with him.

So it only takes one to go against the grain for the ripple effect to bring change. Granted, these people weren't fearing for their lives, I just thought it was interesting.

That was the experiment I was thinking of. I can never remember Milgram... but I always remember the experiment, haha!
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What a stupid fucking thing to say. What's with people and comparing things to Hitler or the Holocaust? Gun Control is not gunna lead to a fucking holocaust FFS

when a citizens of a nation have no weapons they are sitting ducks, most recent example is syria. they banned automatic weapons but had shotguns, revolvers and hunting rifles legal. if they had a certain type of weapon then bashar would be dead or his genocide would have been stopped.

does that sound familiar?
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Balnazarr posted...

What a stupid fucking thing to say. What's with people and comparing things to Hitler or the Holocaust? Gun Control is not gunna lead to a fucking holocaust FFS

Have you seen the future or are you assuming? That is exactly what the other party you are insulting is doing...

Basically, we don't know, but it is a good idea to have discussions.
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MaverickXeo posted...

Balnazarr posted...

What a stupid fucking thing to say. What's with people and comparing things to Hitler or the Holocaust? Gun Control is not gunna lead to a fucking holocaust FFS

Have you seen the future or are you assuming? That is exactly what the other party you are insulting is doing...

Basically, we don't know, but it is a good idea to have discussions.

I find it a deplorable tactic when liberals use it. I'm not a two faced hypocrite. When my party shits the bed I speak out.

Balnazarr posted...

MaverickXeo posted...

Balnazarr posted...

What a stupid fucking thing to say. What's with people and comparing things to Hitler or the Holocaust? Gun Control is not gunna lead to a fucking holocaust FFS

Have you seen the future or are you assuming? That is exactly what the other party you are insulting is doing...

Basically, we don't know, but it is a good idea to have discussions.

I find it a deplorable tactic when liberals use it. I'm not a two faced hypocrite. When my party shits the bed I speak out.

Your last statement in the original post seems like fortune-telling to me...
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

You guys are too dishonest if you really want to argue that it'd make no difference in America or in any other civilized country.

Don't underestimate the placating effect an armed population has on fascists and tyrants and invaders.

You would never succeed in executing people the way Nazi Germany did if gun ownership was a right.

It really makes no difference if you're armed or not, the police can basically get away with 90% of the shit they do and the government basically would never allow for any militia group to reach such a point where it would be a viable, credible threat to the integrity of the country.
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