Current Events > why doesn't america do anything about its gun violence issues?

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the sheer amount of school and mass shooting news that come out of that country are staggering, not to mention the posts here where some people mention hearing gunshots being an everyday thing if they live in x area

i understand that it's a complex issue, but you'd think there'd at least be an attempt to change something, but instead it's one side screaming "ban guns!" and one side screaming "my rights!" and the rest offering thoughts and prayers while the government seemingly does absolutely nothing about the issues they face

i'm a complete outsider, but living in the middle of all that seems like it'd be unbelievably frustrating

Because gun violence is part-and-parcel of living in the USA. Love it or leave it MAGA!
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murica
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Because I enjoy inserting guns into my anus.
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Population control.
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Western countries in Europe could use a few million more guns.
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Because DONT YOU TAKE MY GUNS
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uhhh..TC we send out several thoughts and prayers...what else is there that could possibly be done?
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It's actually fucking amazing how we've done absolutely nothing about this.
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Because gun violence creates fear which increases sales in guns and gun companies get more money to buy-lobby politicians who then continue with fear mongering. And whenever there's discussion of gun contol, said politicians would also misinform the gun toting population that gun control is all about taking their guns away which also leads to fear of losing their guns so they buy more guns and so on.

Honestly if you take the effort it'd be to change the law and put it towards other issues, a lot more lives would be save. Its a lot scarier and disturbing than it is dire
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Oh SO YOU WANT TO BAN ALL GUNS HUH?????
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If an elementary school shooting didn't change anything, nothing will.
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St0rmFury posted...

If an elementary school shooting didn't change anything, nothing will.

what's even sadder is when Obama literally shed tears for the children lost in that tragedy pro-gun idiots made fun of him for crying to deflect from the issue...nothing will ever fuckin change. these people are heartless morons.
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America has just lost it's way. Not just in gun culture.
But in its extreme corporate culture, putting profit above people.
This housing boom bubble is an example. Houses are homes, not commodities.
People are family, not just workers.
Guns are an item, not a way of life.

Our Prison system is out of control.

We stick are elderly in senior living homes, and wait for them to die.

Americans who wave the flag thinking they are the greatest are basically pigs rolling in shit.

This county has everything it needs to be amazing, and we're throwing it way, largely for the profit of a few.
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It's a basic right as an American. I carry. You cry about guns but schools have done hardly anything to keep the kids safe. No guards. Teachers can't carry. A lot are without metal detectors.

Also, we as a country don't really give a **** about treating the mental health of our citizens. So that's another thing.

HolierThanMao posted...

not to mention the posts here where some people mention hearing gunshots being an everyday thing if they live in x area

As a counterpoint to this, I'm pretty sure there are areas in EVERY city you don't walk alone in at night. Ever. The difference is you can hear what happens in them in America.
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SiO4 posted...

America has just lost it's way. Not just in gun culture.
But in its extreme corporate culture, putting profit above people.
This housing boom bubble is an example. Houses are homes, not commodities.
People are family, not just workers.
Guns are an item, not a way of life.

Our Prison system is out of control.

We stick are elderly in senior living homes, and wait for them to die.

Americans who wave the flag thinking they are the greatest are basically pigs rolling in shit.

This county has everything it needs to be amazing, and we're throwing it way, largely for the profit of a few.

I think that legalizing drugs would go a long ways in fixing a lot of this country's issues. I would like to go a little farther than that and would like to see a constitutional amendment which, at a minimum, protects the individual's right to possess or consume whatever substances they choose.
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we r 2 dum
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

It's a basic right as an American. I carry. You cry about guns but schools have done hardly anything to keep the kids safe. No guards. Teachers can't carry. A lot are without metal detectors.

Is that the new normal now? Schools are just expected to be filled with guards and metal detectors? Like school operates like a prison now?

Not to mention our education system barely gets the money it needs, so how are these even going to be implemented disregarding the ridiculousness of it.

The NRA.
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It always boils down to the same process.

After a shooting, leftys say "ban all guns!", rightys say "we need more guns!"

Both sides become so extreme that no progress gets made..aside from the anti gun and pro gun lobbies getting tons of money
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CommonStar posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

It's a basic right as an American. I carry. You cry about guns but schools have done hardly anything to keep the kids safe. No guards. Teachers can't carry. A lot are without metal detectors.

Is that the new normal now? Schools are just expected to be filled with guards and metal detectors? Like school operates like a prison now?

Not to mention our education system barely gets the money it needs, so how are these even going to be implemented disregarding the ridiculousness of it.

But banning guns and disarming millions of law abiding citizens is the answer.

rabbi_baby posted...

leftys say "ban all guns!",

no we don't. why is this the narrative? the vast majority on the left don't even think its POSSIBLE to ban guns so they aren't trying to ban guns.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

But banning guns and disarming millions of law abiding citizens is the answer.

again, the vast majority aren't trying to ban guns. politicians aren't attempting to ban guns. stop making shit up.
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rabbi_baby posted...

It always boils down to the same process.

After a shooting, leftys say "ban all guns!", rightys say "we need more guns!"

Both sides become so extreme that no progress gets made..aside from the anti gun and pro gun lobbies getting tons of money

Except more than half the country wants gun control. Sure, there are some extremes on both sides, but there's also a huge portion of Americans that are in the middle that want stricter gun control.

rabbi_baby posted...

After a shooting, leftys say "ban all guns!"

I must've missed this
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At this point we might as well just accept monthly shootings as a normal. No one is willing to compromise on a solution so nothing will ever get done.

Maybe people should start betting when the next one will happen.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

But banning guns and disarming millions of law abiding citizens is the answer.

again, the vast majority aren't trying to ban guns. politicians aren't attempting to ban guns. stop making shit up.

Don't pretend that isn't the end game Vipa.

DifferentialEquation posted...

SiO4 posted...

America has just lost it's way. Not just in gun culture.
But in its extreme corporate culture, putting profit above people.
This housing boom bubble is an example. Houses are homes, not commodities.
People are family, not just workers.
Guns are an item, not a way of life.

Our Prison system is out of control.

We stick are elderly in senior living homes, and wait for them to die.

Americans who wave the flag thinking they are the greatest are basically pigs rolling in shit.

This county has everything it needs to be amazing, and we're throwing it way, largely for the profit of a few.

I think that legalizing drugs would go a long ways in fixing a lot of this country's issues. I would like to go a little farther than that and would like to see a constitutional amendment which, at a minimum, protects the individual's right to possess or consume whatever substances they choose.

I agree with that. And it should happen tomorrow.
But we are so far gone, that that is a borderline sub issue. Which is amazing because it is a huge issue.
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Because admitting you have a problem is the first step.

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

But banning guns and disarming millions of law abiding citizens is the answer.

again, the vast majority aren't trying to ban guns. politicians aren't attempting to ban guns. stop making shit up.

Don't pretend that isn't the end game Vipa.

its not the reality. just because you say its something that might happen sometime down the line years from now doesn't make it true. its dishonest and disingenuous. no one is advocating to ban guns. stop spreading that bull shit.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

TheVipaGTS posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

But banning guns and disarming millions of law abiding citizens is the answer.

again, the vast majority aren't trying to ban guns. politicians aren't attempting to ban guns. stop making shit up.

Don't pretend that isn't the end game Vipa.

So why, specifically, do they need to take people's guns away?

CommonStar posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

It's a basic right as an American. I carry. You cry about guns but schools have done hardly anything to keep the kids safe. No guards. Teachers can't carry. A lot are without metal detectors.

Is that the new normal now? Schools are just expected to be filled with guards and metal detectors? Like school operates like a prison now?

Not to mention our education system barely gets the money it needs, so how are these even going to be implemented disregarding the ridiculousness of it.

Theres really not a great solution either way. Im absolutely pro-gun, and its a constitutional right to own one. It was so important you dont even have to scroll down to see it if you look up the Bill of Rights on your phone. The Founding Fathers held this right as one of the most fundamental to the nation.

The fact that its all but carved in stone, the Second Amendment isnt going anywhere. We need to look to what other alternatives there are to help prevent instances like this. Admittedly, I really dont have a great solution. But repealing an Amendment, much less one of the original 10, is never going to happen.
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Why do people treat the constitution like an uneditable Bible, like some sacred text? Keyword: Amendment. Times change.

Metro2 posted...

Why do people treat the constitution like an uneditable Bible, like some sacred text? Keyword: Amendment. Times change.

Times didn't change. People did. We need guns more now than we did. People use them all the time to protect themselves.

Nomadic View posted...

CommonStar posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

It's a basic right as an American. I carry. You cry about guns but schools have done hardly anything to keep the kids safe. No guards. Teachers can't carry. A lot are without metal detectors.

Is that the new normal now? Schools are just expected to be filled with guards and metal detectors? Like school operates like a prison now?

Not to mention our education system barely gets the money it needs, so how are these even going to be implemented disregarding the ridiculousness of it.

Theres really not a great solution either way. Im absolutely pro-gun, and its a constitutional right to own one. It was so important you dont even have to scroll down to see it if you look up the Bill of Rights on your phone. The Founding Fathers held this right as one of the most fundamental to the nation.

The fact that its all but carved in stone, the Second Amendment isnt going anywhere. We need to look to what other alternatives there are to help prevent instances like this. Admittedly, I really dont have a great solution. But repealing an Amendment, much less one of the original 10, is never going to happen.

For fuck sake, people are NOT saying to repeal your precious Second Amendment nor are they saying to ban all guns. What most people, sane people, want is more gun control to prevent or at the very least reduce the amount of shootings happening all over the country. Gun Control =/= Banning Guns. Let's work on making it harder for these guns to get in the wrong hands.

CommonStar posted...

Nomadic View posted...

CommonStar posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

It's a basic right as an American. I carry. You cry about guns but schools have done hardly anything to keep the kids safe. No guards. Teachers can't carry. A lot are without metal detectors.

Is that the new normal now? Schools are just expected to be filled with guards and metal detectors? Like school operates like a prison now?

Not to mention our education system barely gets the money it needs, so how are these even going to be implemented disregarding the ridiculousness of it.

Theres really not a great solution either way. Im absolutely pro-gun, and its a constitutional right to own one. It was so important you dont even have to scroll down to see it if you look up the Bill of Rights on your phone. The Founding Fathers held this right as one of the most fundamental to the nation.

The fact that its all but carved in stone, the Second Amendment isnt going anywhere. We need to look to what other alternatives there are to help prevent instances like this. Admittedly, I really dont have a great solution. But repealing an Amendment, much less one of the original 10, is never going to happen.

For fuck sake, people are NOT saying to repeal your precious Second Amendment nor are they saying to ban all guns. What most people, sane people, want is more gun control to prevent or at the very least reduce the amount of shootings happening all over the country. Gun Control =/= Banning Guns. Let's work on making it harder for these guns to get in the wrong hands.

You do realize perfectly sane people can kill others

Metro2 posted...

Why do people treat the constitution like an uneditable Bible, like some sacred text? Keyword: Amendment. Times change.

Because its the foundation of our entire society. Its what all our laws and liberties are based on. If it were easy to edit away we would be living in a dictatorship.
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ToonLinkWithGun posted...

You do realize perfectly sane people can kill others

"perfectly sane people can do it so there is no reason to prevent insane people from doing it"

what kind of stupid logic is that? "you realize people with 20/20 vision can still get into car accidents why shouldn't blind people be allowed to drive?"
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TheVipaGTS posted...

ToonLinkWithGun posted...

You do realize perfectly sane people can kill others

"perfectly sane people can do it so there is no reason to prevent insane people from doing it"

what kind of stupid logic is that? "you realize people with 20/20 vision can still get into car accidents why shouldn't blind people be allowed to drive?"

Sure. I like that

Nomadic View posted...

Metro2 posted...

Why do people treat the constitution like an uneditable Bible, like some sacred text? Keyword: Amendment. Times change.

Because its the foundation of our entire society. Its what all our laws and liberties are based on. If it were easy to edit away we would be living in a dictatorship.

Except it's not. Legal codes are based on British or French ones. Society was rooted much earlier, which many aspects of the US rooted in the various anti-monarchy revolutions around Europe in the 18th and 19th century and the nationalistic unification of countries like Germany and Italy. Liberties, for their part, are again, more rooted in the Tennis Cout Oath, the Magna Carte, and other rights movements/moments. Society did not suddenly begin to exist when the constitution was signed. It's a nice story, but it's categorically false.

Also worth noting is that historically dictators actually made use of inflexible legal codes. All legal codes either have to be flexible, or they cause countries to stagnate and die slowly due to their inability to adapt to changing technology and societal standards.

CommonStar posted...

For fuck sake, people are NOT saying to repeal your precious Second Amendment nor are they saying to ban all guns. What most people, sane people, want is more gun control to prevent or at the very least reduce the amount of shootings happening all over the country. Gun Control =/= Banning Guns. Let's work on making it harder for these guns to get in the wrong hands.

Explain how then. Almost every single mass shooter either passed a NICS, or killed someone that legally owned guns to start their crime.

People throw that stupid line, "We gotta do something," then go and pass some dumb feel-good law, or draconian ban that hurts the people that abide by it.

There's people in power every fucking day that make it their career goal to ban guns. Even managed to do it in the 90's. So top throwing that stupid line around too.
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@TheVipaGTS posted...

rabbi_baby posted...

leftys say "ban all guns!",

no we don't. why is this the narrative? the vast majority on the left don't even think its POSSIBLE to ban guns so they aren't trying to ban guns.

The loudest voices in your camp are the ones saying it, that's why it's considered the narrative. You have people like Clinton and Brady, and Bloomberg just waiting for tragedies to exploit. And that's the voices we think of. Not any you may feel are more rational.

In short, politics is a game of being the loudest asshole in the room. Not the smartest.
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Youre right that we certainly brought over certain ideals from England. But all of those laws that we have today are encompassed within the our Constitution. Any law that Congress passes will be invalidated if it steps outside the heartland of the Constitution or is in direct contradiction of it. The Constitution, and the Supreme Courts interpretation of it, is our only protection against an overbearing government. To allow that same government to just widdle away the parts it doesnt like just makes those protections not worth the paper theyre written on.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

"perfectly sane people can do it so there is no reason to prevent insane people from doing it"

what kind of stupid logic is that? "you realize people with 20/20 vision can still get into car accidents why shouldn't blind people be allowed to drive?"

You should stop trying to have a discussion with people when you say shit like this in the same topic.

TheVipaGTS posted...

uhhh..TC we send out several thoughts and prayers...what else is there that could possibly be done?

Pure fucking garbage.
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Nomadic View posted...

Youre right that we certainly brought over certain ideals from England. But all of those laws that we have today are encompassed within the our Constitution. Any law that Congress passes will be invalidated if it steps outside the heartland of the Constitution or is in direct contradiction of it. The Constitution, and the Supreme Courts interpretation of it, is our only protection against an overbearing government. To allow that same government to just widdle away the parts it doesnt like just makes those protections not worth the paper theyre written on.

You are speaking in really vague, flowery terms. The reality is that the legal code was not innovative, and inflexible rigid laws completely kill countries.

If the constitution was really eternal, how come we've had to create other laws to ban things like slavery or cocaine that were perfectly legal during the time the constitution was written?