Poll of the Day > AFL clears transgender footballer to play in state women's league.

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Troll_Police_
02/14/18 9:04:29 PM
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like, jfc, youd think people would have gotten the idea when they gave bruce jenner the "woman of the year" award.

its like, guess what ladies, men are better at you than everything including being women. this total dirtbag just trumped your entire gender. better luck next year.
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Nichtcrawler X
02/14/18 9:05:04 PM
#53:


Doctor Foxx posted...
Why is your wife mad that one Australian sports league allowed a trans woman to play with cis women?

She has been allowed to participate in other women's leagues before this


Probably because, sexist as you may deem it, many sports have separate male and female leagues for biological reasons. One's gender should have little to no effect on one's physical capabilities, but their sex might, as such it is obvious we would divide such things based on sex, not gender.
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Troll_Police_
02/14/18 9:05:22 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Troll_Police_ posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
So many of these arguments hinge on people asserting that trans women aren't real women. That's just wrong. This isn't letting a man play with women. This is giving a trans woman the go ahead to play in a league that has been cis. And good for her.


and it will just be pure coincidence that the women who join, and then collectively dominate this league, will all be trans. it will have nothing to do with them being biologically male and therefore having an absurd advantage over the actual women they compete against.

Here you go saying actual women. They're all women.

You men seem to care a lot more than women do.


actually, my wife is pretty steamed over it.

also, youre begging the question. not everyone agrees that the best way to treat a mental disorder is to feed into it, and so not everyone believes that its accurate to call this person a woman.

Why is your wife mad that one Australian sports league allowed a trans woman to play with cis women?

She has been allowed to participate in other women's leagues before this


it sets a pretty shitty precedent since, as you said, he started out playing in other leagues. no doubt smaller, less reputable ones, which also set precedents to get him into a larger, more notable league.

and because my wife has a brain, and therefore can see the advantage a man would have playing a sport (particularly a heavy contact one) against women.

She. She started in other leagues yes. She is not a man.


again, youre gonna keep begging that question, and again im gonna tell you that i do not believe it is healthy for him to have people around him feeding into his disorder.
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Doctor Foxx
02/14/18 9:08:42 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Why is your wife mad that one Australian sports league allowed a trans woman to play with cis women?

She has been allowed to participate in other women's leagues before this


Probably because, sexist as you may deem it, many sports have separate male and female leagues for biological reasons. One's gender should have little to no effect on one's physical capabilities, but their sex might, as such it is obvious we would divide such things based on sex, not gender.

There's not even two sexes so that's just... Wrong.
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TheWorstPoster
02/14/18 9:09:00 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...

She. She started in other leagues yes. She is not a man.


He is a man. Just because he (presumably) had surgery to mutilate his genitals, and dress in women's clothing, and generally acts like one, does not change his biological makeup. He has XY chromosomes, and naturally produced testosterone. It is also impossible for him to get impregnated.

Just because you call yourself something, doesn't even make it remotely true.
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likehelly
02/14/18 9:09:58 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
There's not even two sexes so that's just... Wrong.

what?

there's only two sexes. gender is a different story.
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Troll_Police_
02/14/18 9:12:58 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Nichtcrawler X posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
Why is your wife mad that one Australian sports league allowed a trans woman to play with cis women?

She has been allowed to participate in other women's leagues before this


Probably because, sexist as you may deem it, many sports have separate male and female leagues for biological reasons. One's gender should have little to no effect on one's physical capabilities, but their sex might, as such it is obvious we would divide such things based on sex, not gender.

There's not even two sexes so that's just... Wrong.


jesus fucking christ, i did not know that we actually had this level of tumblr class lunacy here.

potd manages to disappoint me in a new way every day. its like a car crash. i just cant look away.
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Doctor Foxx
02/14/18 9:16:19 PM
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likehelly posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...
There's not even two sexes so that's just... Wrong.

what?

there's only two sexes. gender is a different story.

Aside from there being intersex (hermaphrodite) individuals more commonly than people realize, there are 6 sexes

X Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turners )
XX Most common form of female
XXY Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY Most common form of male
XYY Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births

Look at that from the perspective of a population of over 7 billion people and there are tens of millions of individuals that are not XX or XY

You may not even be the sex you think you are

https://www.newsmax.com/t/health/article/507978
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Nichtcrawler X
02/14/18 9:17:11 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
There's not even two sexes so that's just... Wrong.


I agree that if we define sex based on chromosomes, Turner, Klinefelter etc could all count as separate sexes, but historically speaking it would be weird for such leagues to have existed in the past.

TheWorstPoster posted...
It is also impossible for him to get impregnated.


Do not go down that slippery slope. You'll get a lot of people angry at you.
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TheWorstPoster
02/14/18 9:17:27 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...

X Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turners )
XX Most common form of female
XXY Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
XY Most common form of male
XYY Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
XXXY Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births


Anything other than XX or XY are genetic diseases. NOT sexes.
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Doctor Foxx
02/14/18 9:18:30 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
I agree that if we define sex based on chromosomes, Turner, Klinefelter etc could all count as separate sexes, but historically speaking it would be weird for such leagues to have existed in the past.

Whether or not it would be weird for the leagues to exist (the potential players pool is small and genetic testing is relatively recent), these karyotype sexes do exist.
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TheWorstPoster
02/14/18 9:20:12 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
Whether or not it would be weird for the leagues to exist (the potential players pool is small and genetic testing is relatively recent), these karyotype sexes do exist.


Those are not sexes.

As I said, those are genetic disorders.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_abnormality
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Nichtcrawler X
02/14/18 9:20:41 PM
#64:


Doctor Foxx posted...
these karyotype sexes do exist.


I was more referring to historic stigmas, I'm not arguing they do not exist.
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Nightengale
02/14/18 10:38:21 PM
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Troll_Police_ posted...
jfc kana, you really are just a self serving monster arent you?

I am not an athlete (nor Australian, for that matter), so I do not benefit from this personally, no.

However trans acceptance in general is not going away, so if you consider that self-serving, then sure. These things are going to keep happening, you can keep getting angry about it, and the world will keep on turning.
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dioxxys
02/14/18 10:40:09 PM
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Accept this isnt about acceptance, its about fairness, which this is not.
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Nightengale
02/14/18 10:44:09 PM
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dioxxys posted...
Accept this isnt about acceptance, its about fairness, which this is not.

There's no way to say that for sure. Mouncey was only okayed to enter the draft and is currently a free agent. The earliest she will able to play is at the 2019 draft.

I mean she could be a lousy player for all you know. You're applying rules to certain players and not others.
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Lobomoon
02/14/18 10:52:24 PM
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Would you be OK with transsexual boxer fighting against women boxers?
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DrPrimemaster
02/14/18 10:55:06 PM
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I thought the rule was they could only compete if their testosterone levels were below that of a normal female?
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Lobomoon
02/14/18 10:56:37 PM
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DrPrimemaster posted...
I thought the rule was they could only compete if their testosterone levels were below that of a normal female?


Are you suggesting they should take illegal substances to alter their testosterone levels!?
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Nightengale
02/14/18 11:10:59 PM
#71:


Lobomoon posted...
Would you be OK with transsexual boxer fighting against women boxers?

If they qualify and are in the proper weight division, then sure.
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WhiskeyDisk
02/14/18 11:26:19 PM
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Nightengale posted...
Lobomoon posted...
Would you be OK with transsexual boxer fighting against women boxers?

If they qualify and are in the proper weight division, then sure.


The funny part is that you have no idea of how ridiculous that is when it comes to combat sports.
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Nightengale
02/15/18 1:19:18 AM
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How ridiculous what is?
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WhiskeyDisk
02/15/18 1:05:02 PM
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Because in something like MMA, you're not talking about theoretical tumblrina shit anymore. Someone who has spent 75/80/90% of their life as a man, training most of that time as a man pound for pound will decimate any biologically born female in the same weight class regardless of hormones, regardless of assertions of "I'm a girl now".

The same would be true flipped 180. A woman transitioning to a man is going to get curbstomped in an octagon. From a purely physical standpoint, men and women are not the same and there comes a point where all the theoretical nonsense about equality of opportunities vs equality of outcomes has to collide, and the octagon is such a place.
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Quol
02/15/18 2:10:12 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
Because in something like MMA, you're not talking about theoretical tumblrina shit anymore. Someone who has spent 75/80/90% of their life as a man, training most of that time as a man pound for pound will decimate any biologically born female in the same weight class regardless of hormones, regardless of assertions of "I'm a girl now".

Ikr? This is why this story makes me happy. Just imagine that in 10 years an all buff male team in skirts becomes officially accepted into a national women's league and begins to decimate, just imagine the american football games.
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Noop_Noop
02/15/18 2:17:34 PM
#76:


Quol posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Because in something like MMA, you're not talking about theoretical tumblrina shit anymore. Someone who has spent 75/80/90% of their life as a man, training most of that time as a man pound for pound will decimate any biologically born female in the same weight class regardless of hormones, regardless of assertions of "I'm a girl now".

Ikr? This is why this story makes me happy. Just imagine that in 10 years an all buff male team in skirts becomes officially accepted into a national women's league and begins to decimate, just imagine the american football games.


Careful, you're gonna trigger Foxx. Those aren't men, they are women, and they have every right to play sports with actual women and dominate them. Yay for women's rights. Men get to be better than them at being women too.
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Lobomoon
02/15/18 6:16:13 PM
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Troll_Police_
02/15/18 7:33:13 PM
#78:


Lobomoon posted...
Something to think about:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3609949/Matildas-lose-7-0-Newcastle-Jets-15s-Rio-Olympics-warm-up.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4389760/USA-women-s-team-suffer-5-2-loss-FC-Dallas-U-15-boys.html


sorry ladies, i know you wanted rights and empowerment, but these other women* are gonna be bigger and stronger than you because they were not born women, and they have Y chromosomes, and we are a sexually dimorphic species.
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Jen0125
02/15/18 8:00:36 PM
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I'm not transphobic or anti trans at all. Literally don't care what people do with their bodies. But I really have a hard time understanding how someone can play in an all female league when it's clear they've benefitted physically from having testosterone their whole life until now. The women can't do steroids, which is usually testeroterone, but this person can come in having had he benefit of testosterone for years and compete again women who haven't? There's a disconnect there for me. It doesn't seem equal.
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Quol
02/15/18 8:43:24 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
But I really have a hard time understanding how someone can play in an all female league when it's clear they've benefitted physically from having testosterone their whole life until now.

Because thats what they have been fighting for all these years. LGBT and whatever other societies exist want equality for trannies, women, ect and boom. They got equality. Shockingly though it turns out getting equality is not all puppies and sunshine, who knew?
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thor333
02/15/18 11:29:37 PM
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Troll_Police_
02/16/18 12:32:16 AM
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thor333 posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSbTRm4OBYU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK7P0Gb1daE


disgraceful. they cant hack in the league they belong in, so they step down to one where they have a completely unfair advantage. these women* have serious problems
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