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Muffinz0rz
02/12/18 11:34:21 AM
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8o/8o


Is it really 100%-worthy, or are people just hyping it up because they'll be called racist if they say anything bad about it?
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DifferentialEquation
02/12/18 11:35:09 AM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
or are people just hyping it up because they'll be called racist if they say anything bad about it?


This.
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Makeveli_lives
02/12/18 11:35:10 AM
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Only people politicizing it are white people as if black panther wasn't for black people his entire existence
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boxington
02/12/18 11:37:19 AM
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I wonder if the flooding of negative user reviews will turn anyone away
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Makeveli_lives
02/12/18 11:41:42 AM
#5:


DifferentialEquation posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
or are people just hyping it up because they'll be called racist if they say anything bad about it?


This.

Why can't a black movie or tv show or album ever just be legitimately good? Why does it always have to be pandering?
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Dustin1280
02/12/18 11:44:36 AM
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It is a Marvel Universe Movie, it will likely be just as good as most MU movies. This is ridiculous though:

"Black Panther is Marvel's First Shakespearean Epic"

https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-panther-is-marvels-first-shakespearean-epic-1822779133

someone literally compared it to shakespeare
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prettyprincess
02/12/18 11:44:40 AM
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it's just a movie
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Muffinz0rz
02/12/18 11:46:57 AM
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Dustin1280 posted...
It is a Marvel Universe Movie, it will likely be just as good as most MU movies. This is ridiculous though:

"Black Panther is Marvel's First Shakespearean Epic"

https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-panther-is-marvels-first-shakespearean-epic-1822779133

someone literally compared it to shakespeare

thank you for this
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Kitt
02/12/18 11:48:36 AM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
or are people just hyping it up because they'll be called racist if they say anything bad about it?


This.

Why can't a black movie or tv show or album ever just be legitimately good? Why does it always have to be pandering?

Don't be silly. Sure Marvel has been on a roll with their films getting critical acclaim back to back and sure the director's last two films were also highly critically acclaimed, but I'll have you know, the only reason this movie, the combination of those two positive things, is only getting it's acclain because people are afriad to criticize this movie. Duh.
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FrisbeeDude
02/12/18 11:50:03 AM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
Only people politicizing it are white people as if black panther wasn't for black people his entire existence


Mostly this.
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FrisbeeDude
02/12/18 11:50:39 AM
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Kitt posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
or are people just hyping it up because they'll be called racist if they say anything bad about it?


This.

Why can't a black movie or tv show or album ever just be legitimately good? Why does it always have to be pandering?

Don't be silly. Sure Marvel has been on a roll with their films getting critical acclaim back to back and sure the director's last two films were also highly critically acclaimed, but I'll have you know, the only reason this movie, the combination of those two positive things, is only getting it's acclain because people are afriad to criticize this movie. Duh.

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D-Lo_BrownTown
02/12/18 11:50:49 AM
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No

Most people see it as just another Marvel movie.

The people who are hyping it up as some black culture phenomenon and the people who hate it because it stars a black cast are both not part of the main demographic of moviegoers, I'm pretty sure.
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s0nicfan
02/12/18 11:51:15 AM
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There's no way it's literal "100%" good, but I doubt it'll be a big letdown either.
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Romulox28
02/12/18 11:51:45 AM
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people do this with every stupid fuckin marvel movie
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babyeatermax
02/12/18 11:52:02 AM
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New and original topic
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s0nicfan
02/12/18 11:53:14 AM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
Why can't a black movie or tv show or album ever just be legitimately good? Why does it always have to be pandering?


There are lots of black movies that are legitimately good. None of them claim to be a "moment in history". People are only calling it pandering because its "blackness" is overshadowing the character and the plot.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertainment-arts-42996895/black-panther-why-this-film-is-a-moment

EDIT: Also the fact that people keep calling this a first for black superheoes, as if blade, spawn, steel, Hancock, Meteor Man, and Catwoman didn't exist
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medzz
02/12/18 11:53:29 AM
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Dustin1280 posted...
It is a Marvel Universe Movie, it will likely be just as good as most MU movies. This is ridiculous though:

"Black Panther is Marvel's First Shakespearean Epic"

https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-panther-is-marvels-first-shakespearean-epic-1822779133

someone literally compared it to shakespeare

Ha
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FrisbeeDude
02/12/18 11:55:26 AM
#18:


s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
Why can't a black movie or tv show or album ever just be legitimately good? Why does it always have to be pandering?


There are lots of black movies that are legitimately good. None of them claim to be a "moment in history". People are only calling it pandering because its "blackness" is overshadowing the character and the plot.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertainment-arts-42996895/black-panther-why-this-film-is-a-moment

EDIT: Also the fact that people keep calling this a first for black superheoes, as if blade, spawn, steel, Hancock, Meteor Man, and Catwoman didn't exist


Lmao
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Kitt
02/12/18 11:59:02 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
Why can't a black movie or tv show or album ever just be legitimately good? Why does it always have to be pandering?


There are lots of black movies that are legitimately good. None of them claim to be a "moment in history". People are only calling it pandering because its "blackness" is overshadowing the character and the plot.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/entertainment-arts-42996895/black-panther-why-this-film-is-a-moment

EDIT: Also the fact that people keep calling this a first for black superheoes, as if blade, spawn, steel, Hancock, Meteor Man, and Catwoman didn't exist

To be fair, Black Panther itself never claimed to be this big moment in history for film. It's outlets and media claiming it as such.
Me, personally, I'm going to see it as a Marvel movie that just so happen to be directed by a director I really like. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised with what they do with the formula.

And when people say it's the "first black superhero" movie, I'm pretty sure they're saying it's the first MCU film with a black hero in the lead role.
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s0nicfan
02/12/18 12:00:57 PM
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Kitt posted...
To be fair, Black Panther itself never claimed to be this big moment in history for film. It's outlets and media claiming it as such.


Oh sure, I don't think it's necessarily some sort of move by Disney, but it'll still hurt the movie in the long run.
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Unsugarized_Foo
02/12/18 12:01:57 PM
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Nah, not for me. If I watch entertainment, its for entertainment
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CyricZ
02/12/18 12:02:13 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Meteor Man

Ooof, now there's a film I had forgotten and wish to re-forget.
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Link HT
02/12/18 12:03:36 PM
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I'm blown away by how much racial politics is being tagged on to this movie. We're SOOOOOOO far away from a day when a movie with a black cast can be released in theaters and nobody gives a shit, that's the day racism is over.
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s0nicfan
02/12/18 12:04:18 PM
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Link HT posted...
I'm blown away by how much racial politics is being tagged on to this movie. We're SOOOOOOO far away from a day when a movie with a black cast can be released in theaters and nobody gives a shit, that's the day racism is over.


Is this a troll post? Or are you serious?
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Dustin1280
02/12/18 12:04:46 PM
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Link HT posted...
I'm blown away by how much racial politics is being tagged on to this movie. We're SOOOOOOO far away from a day when a movie with a black cast can be released in theaters and nobody gives a shit, that's the day racism is over.

That is what SHOULD have happened...

instead we have the film being compared to Shakespeare.

I plan to see it because it's a marvel movie and I like marvel movies, it's really that simple...
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CookieMarvin
02/12/18 12:08:48 PM
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white people itt feeling extremely threatened by a black superhero movie getting good reviews
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realnifty1
02/12/18 12:09:18 PM
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It's not a 100% though, it is at 97% which only slightly above the pre-release norm for a Marvel movie.
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Kitt
02/12/18 12:10:31 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
Link HT posted...
I'm blown away by how much racial politics is being tagged on to this movie. We're SOOOOOOO far away from a day when a movie with a black cast can be released in theaters and nobody gives a shit, that's the day racism is over.

That is what SHOULD have happened...

instead we have the film being compared to Shakespeare.

Who knows, the movie just probably did a lot for that person for them to give it such a high regard. It's opinions, man.
I still haven't seen it yet, but maybe I might like it that much. Ryan Coogler, in my opinion, is a phenomenal director, so if anyone had a chance of making a Marvel movie move me like that, I'd say he'd have a good shot.
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babyeatermax
02/12/18 12:11:00 PM
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Movies with black casts are released all the time. It's only when someone makes one with a 100+ hundred million dollar budget and it gets positive reviews that closeted racists get angry
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marc55
02/12/18 12:21:17 PM
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Dustin1280 posted...
Link HT posted...
I'm blown away by how much racial politics is being tagged on to this movie. We're SOOOOOOO far away from a day when a movie with a black cast can be released in theaters and nobody gives a shit, that's the day racism is over.

That is what SHOULD have happened...

instead we have the film being compared to Shakespeare.

I plan to see it because it's a marvel movie and I like marvel movies, it's really that simple...

wasnt BP father killed by someone who wanted the throne ?

maybe thats the plot of one of shakespeare s
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spudger
02/12/18 12:22:30 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
or are people just hyping it up because they'll be called racist if they say anything bad about it?


This.

Why can't a black movie or tv show or album ever just be legitimately good? Why does it always have to be pandering?

trumpeters
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Kitt
02/12/18 12:25:45 PM
#32:


marc55 posted...
Dustin1280 posted...
Link HT posted...
I'm blown away by how much racial politics is being tagged on to this movie. We're SOOOOOOO far away from a day when a movie with a black cast can be released in theaters and nobody gives a shit, that's the day racism is over.

That is what SHOULD have happened...

instead we have the film being compared to Shakespeare.

I plan to see it because it's a marvel movie and I like marvel movies, it's really that simple...

wasnt BP father killed by someone who wanted the throne ?

maybe thats the plot of one of shakespeare s

I the mainstream universe in the comics, he was killed by Ulysses Klaw.
In the MCU though he was assassinated in Civil War by Bucky under mind control.

But what we know of Black Panther, it's about all of these different families in Wakanda trying to take the title from T'Challa and rule over it, which is probably where that's coming from.
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CyricZ
02/12/18 12:47:23 PM
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I enjoyed Hidden Figures, even if it took a few liberties
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Iodine
02/13/18 7:35:19 AM
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Link HT posted...
I'm blown away by how much racial politics is being tagged on to this movie. We're SOOOOOOO far away from a day when a movie with a black cast can be released in theaters and nobody gives a shit, that's the day racism is over.

White people seriously believe this and that is very funny to me.
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Iodine
02/13/18 7:37:42 AM
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Though I do agree there are many black people who are being over the top about this movie.
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NaNaYeeze
02/13/18 7:37:54 AM
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Iodine posted...
Link HT posted...
I'm blown away by how much racial politics is being tagged on to this movie. We're SOOOOOOO far away from a day when a movie with a black cast can be released in theaters and nobody gives a shit, that's the day racism is over.

White people seriously believe this and that is very funny to me.


It's true.
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DezDroppedFreak
02/13/18 7:54:10 AM
#37:


CookieMarvin posted...
white people itt feeling extremely threatened by a black superhero movie getting good reviews

This lmao
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FrisbeeDude
02/13/18 7:56:14 AM
#38:


DezDroppedFreak posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
white people itt feeling extremely threatened by a black superhero movie getting good reviews

This lmao

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DifferentialEquation
02/13/18 8:13:26 AM
#39:


DezDroppedFreak posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
white people itt feeling extremely threatened by a black superhero movie getting good reviews

This lmao


More like SJWs feel extremely threatened by a black superhero movie receiving critiques on the basis of character development, plot, pacing, etc. - all the same things that every other movie is critiqued on- so anyone who doesn't declare the movie to be a flawless masterpiece is called a racist, alt-righter, white supremacists, etc.
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lilORANG
02/13/18 8:14:32 AM
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"political stuff" = black people being in the movie

lmao
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AlisLandale
02/13/18 8:15:58 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
More like SJWs feel extremely threatened by a black superhero movie receiving critiques on the basis of character development, plot, pacing, etc. - all the same things that every other movie is critiqued on- so anyone who doesn't declare the movie to be a flawless masterpiece is called a racist, alt-righter, white supremacists, etc.


This movie hasnt received any valid criticism in this thread. Everyone is just talking about politics lol.
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DifferentialEquation
02/13/18 8:19:19 AM
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AlisLandale posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
More like SJWs feel extremely threatened by a black superhero movie receiving critiques on the basis of character development, plot, pacing, etc. - all the same things that every other movie is critiqued on- so anyone who doesn't declare the movie to be a flawless masterpiece is called a racist, alt-righter, white supremacists, etc.


This movie hasnt received any valid criticism in this thread. Everyone is just talking about politics lol.


Wait til it comes out, it's going to be Ghostbusters 2016 all over again. Anyone who has any criticism of the movie is going to be branded a racist by the left.
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AlisLandale
02/13/18 8:20:59 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
Wait til it comes out, it's going Ghostbusters 2016 all over again. Anyone who has any criticism of the movie is going to be branded a racist by the left.


To be fair GB2016 was almost universally panned upon reveal and the sexist angle was a desperate attempt to drum up controversy/publicity.

If you have legitimate complaints about BP I highly doubt you'll be condemned any more harshly than TLJ haters are.

And either way the quote you were replying to was addressing this topic, which, again, has no valid criticism.
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FaultyGourry
02/13/18 8:21:37 AM
#44:


FrisbeeDude posted...
DezDroppedFreak posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
white people itt feeling extremely threatened by a black superhero movie getting good reviews

This lmao

Ya'll are kinda proving their point.
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DifferentialEquation
02/13/18 8:21:52 AM
#45:


lilORANG posted...
"political stuff" = black people being in the movie

lmao


Liberals are the ones that started trying to politicize it: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76311936

"Your movie has black characters therefore you're somehow obligated to donate 25% of the profits to black communities/causes."
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lilORANG
02/13/18 8:24:27 AM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
lilORANG posted...
"political stuff" = black people being in the movie

lmao


Liberals are the ones that started trying to politicize it: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76311936

"Your movie has black characters therefore you're somehow obligated to donate 25% of the profits to black communities/causes."

"liberals" = 3000 random people who signed a petition

lmao
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SavenForever
02/13/18 8:27:31 AM
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To an extent, yes. I think it's still going to be liked, but the movie's image will unfortunately suffer due to everyone trying to politicize it.
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NINExATExSEVEN
02/13/18 8:40:49 AM
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It's just going to be another average superhero movie, fun to watch but not some classic like Indiana Jones.
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Kitt
02/13/18 10:25:11 AM
#49:


DifferentialEquation posted...
DezDroppedFreak posted...
CookieMarvin posted...
white people itt feeling extremely threatened by a black superhero movie getting good reviews

This lmao


More like SJWs feel extremely threatened by a black superhero movie receiving critiques on the basis of character development, plot, pacing, etc. - all the same things that every other movie is critiqued on- so anyone who doesn't declare the movie to be a flawless masterpiece is called a racist, alt-righter, white supremacists, etc.

lol at people like this acting like there aren't negative reviews out there for it already. So far, it have a few reviews with people expressing dislike, so the whole 'nobody is allowed to criticize it' angle is wrong.

It's just here, the positive reviews far outweighs the negative ones. It's almost like, wait for it, the majority of people who have seen it so far liked it more than they disliked it and its always been the same way for any movie like this that ends up getting well received acclaim. Especially a Marvel movie. I wonder why it's such an issue now?...
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Solar_Crimson
02/13/18 10:58:18 AM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
Why can't a black movie or tv show or album ever just be legitimately good? Why does it always have to be pandering?

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