Current Events > Final Fantasy VII Remake: this is NOT what we asked for

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Once again, theyve ruined a good turn based game with a lazy, flashy action rpg.

When did these developers decide that we dont want games designed the way weve always liked them?? Final Fantasy XV sucked and this game is supposed to be like that.
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did that come out already fam?
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They think Turn base games have not place here. I mean if people just cared about the store of the FFVII and not the game play as well they would have just asked for a movie.
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I didn't know the game came out already.
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Guten_Tag posted...

did that come out already fam?

Not yet, but theyre very aggressive about how this game is NOT for the original fans. What a disgrace. This new generation of designers sucks. The square-Enix merger should never have happened. It created a power vacuum that caused the best minds at square to leave. Now we have these dipshit kids making poorly done action games.
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southcoast09 posted...

Guten_Tag posted...

did that come out already fam?

Not yet, but theyre very aggressive about how this game is NOT for the original fans. What a disgrace. This new generation of designers sucks. The square-Enix merger should never have happened. It created a power vacuum that caused the best minds at square to leave. Now we have these dipshit kids making poorly done action games.

tr13 was fun. Ive never actually played ff tho
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I agree with TC
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Action > turn based

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Action > turn based

Dude, action rpg is the easiest one to make and look how they executed FFXV. That was just embarrassing, ESPECIALLY with the update.

Now, as for good action RPGs, The Witcher 3 really hit the mark. FFXV wanted to go for the same mixture of open-world and action RPG and came up short in every category.

That was, to be honest, one of the laziest action RPG systems Ive played. Third party companies have made games with more depth and evolution of combat than ffxv. Kingdom Hearts (the original) which is like 15 or 20 years old had a better combat system than ffxv. I was waiting for it to evolve for the whole game. Ability Points were uninspired.

With that said, it was a masterpiece compared to 12.
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southcoast09 posted...

Guten_Tag posted...

did that come out already fam?

Not yet, but theyre very aggressive about how this game is NOT for the original fans. What a disgrace. This new generation of designers sucks. The square-Enix merger should never have happened. It created a power vacuum that caused the best minds at square to leave. Now we have these dipshit kids making poorly done action games.

Well on the bright side they were also nearly bought out by Microsoft. I guess Square was just destined to change.
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They already got a port of the PC version for the people that dont want any changes.
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While we are discussing various changes in final fantasy games, I wanna ask about these patches people talk about that basically create entire new stories/characters on final fantasy tactics. Are those something legal, or is it not something we can discuss?
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I asked for a FFV remake in the visual style of the FFIV remake on DS but more refined

heck, I'd even be cool with going action for that if they approached it right, give each party member their own basic attacks for each weapon, jobs dictate specials, and being able to hotswap between several jobs with each character in battle, could do some cancels with Job Change, that'd be pretty cool I think

I've played every main FF game, and even a few of the spin-offs, and I disagree with you completely. Turn-based is outdated and not fun.
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southcoast09 posted...

While we are discussing various changes in final fantasy games, I wanna ask about these patches people talk about that basically create entire new stories/characters on final fantasy tactics. Are those something legal, or is it not something we can discuss?

Half of the old FFT board was a guy promoting his own difficulty hack (Not that it was bad) so I assume it's fair game.
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fuck the remake
piece of shit
#notmyff7
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So basically you guys just wanted the exact same game with better graphics?
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Aeriis posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

So basically you guys just wanted the exact same game with better graphics?

And voice acting.

Thatd be my dream game.

This. Maybe some new materia or enemies. New prizes at the chocobo races, etc. If it aint broke, dont fix it.
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Nice time machine bro.
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As much as I loved Squares turn-based RPGs on the SNES and PS1, the fact is its largely an archaic and uninteresting way to present a battle system in the present day.

To justify the remake, they have to reasonably expect to be able to make money on it. If they kept the same battle system from the original, theres no way theyd even come close to breaking even. Theres little to no mainstream appeal in turn-based RPGs these days, and the FF7 Remake is shaping up to be a very expensive game.

Im fine with that, though. I can always revisit the PS1 original for a nice nostalgia trip, and Im cautiously optimistic that theyll come up with a serviceable action-based system.
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I just feel like why dont we get to control our PARTY anymore??
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southcoast09 posted...

If it aint broke, dont fix it

Just play the original then
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In the trailer they show the player controlling both Cloud and Barrett, so it looks like there will be a way to use all your party members during a battle
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southcoast09 posted...

While we are discussing various changes in final fantasy games, I wanna ask about these patches people talk about that basically create entire new stories/characters on final fantasy tactics. Are those something legal, or is it not something we can discuss?

Perfectly legal. You just need to have your own game disc and ISO ripped from it to use with the patches (namely 1.3 hardtype or easytype - note that hard means insanely difficult and easy means very hard compared to the base game).
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

turn-based suck, lack of depth.

Lol what depth are you getting in action RPGs? The majority are smashing the same button/combo against a thousand mooks.

So much depth.
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southcoast09 posted...

If it aint broke, dont fix it.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/39140/FINAL_FANTASY_VII/
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On topic of what we could have had added onto a turn based remake.

More history with Yuffie.
More with Zack and expand on most of that part.

If they really wanna connect it with the whole collection they tried doing they could add in any number of things to remake ff7 as a turnbased just way more expanded on.

I'm fine with the action rpg change but I'll reserve my opinion until I play it. If it's anything like 15 it will be trash.
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The company that makes Tails of Cold Steel knows whats up. I really hope hey hurry up and release the third one. I was actually under the impression it was already out, until recently.

That game was why I got the ps4, moreso than ffxv or ffvii remake. Bastards wont even give us a release date! Ive finished FFXV and Fallout. Now Im playing The Witcher and I dont really see anything on this level of greatness to play afterwards.
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People hating this game are out of their fucking minds.

You want a modern retelling of FF7 and yet you want it to use archaic gameplay?

Heres the keys to a brand new house, new appliances, hard wood floors but the electrical, plumbing, heating, insulation is from 1920.
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you know how they remade Adventures of Mana? y'know how they're remaking Secret of Mana?

that's what i want, but with FF7. as in, don't change everything just for the sake of changing it.
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SwayM posted...

People hating this game are out of their fucking minds.

You want a modern retelling of FF7 and yet you want it to use archaic gameplay?

Heres the keys to a brand new house, new appliances, hard wood floors but the electrical, plumbing, heating, insulation is from 1920.

SquareEnix called. They said you can pick up your check.
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southcoast09 posted...

The company that makes Tails of Cold Steel knows whats up. I really hope hey hurry up and release the third one. I was actually under the impression it was already out, until recently.

That game was why I got the ps4, moreso than ffxv or ffvii remake. Bastards wont even give us a release date! Ive finished FFXV and Fallout. Now Im playing The Witcher and I dont really see anything on this level of greatness to play afterwards.

Tails of Cold Steel 3 is out in Japan.

southcoast09 posted...

Aeriis posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

So basically you guys just wanted the exact same game with better graphics?

And voice acting.

Thatd be my dream game.

This. Maybe some new materia or enemies. New prizes at the chocobo races, etc. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

Was just wondering.

I'm not entirely against the idea since I've bought SOTC on PS4 after having the PS3 HD port.
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Yeah, so much depth having to using combinations in different situations with party members with different synergy and timings and all that stuff, you know, like an MMO.

But fuck that! No depth! No sir! Button mashing is all that is!

Tbh what you described is why I love the Xenoblade games so much. It feels a lot more strategy-involved and reaction-based, yet it's not button-mashy.
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Guerrilla Soldier posted...

you know how they remade Adventures of Mana? y'know how they're remaking Secret of Mana?

that's what i want, but with FF7. as in, don't change everything just for the sake of changing it.

Once again, there is next to no mainstream appeal for turn-based RPGs any more. The FF7 Remake is going to be an enormously expensive project, and theyre going to need to sell a lot to turn a profit. That would be unrealistic with a battle system thats considered archaic these days.

Itd be nice if they gave you the option to choose whether the battles were presented to you in the original format or the new one, but thats just a pipe dream.
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

turn-based suck, lack of depth.

Lol what depth are you getting in action RPGs? The majority are smashing the same button/combo against a thousand mooks.

So much depth.

Yeah, so much depth having to using combinations in different situations with party members with different synergy and timings and all that stuff, you know, like an MMO.

But fuck that! No depth! No sir! Button mashing is all that is!

Action RPGs are button mashing. You assign attacks and spells to various buttons and then mash them. 95% of action RPGs heavily favor physical attacks over magic and some fans like diversity in our battle systems.
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southcoast09 posted...

SwayM posted...

People hating this game are out of their fucking minds.

You want a modern retelling of FF7 and yet you want it to use archaic gameplay?

Heres the keys to a brand new house, new appliances, hard wood floors but the electrical, plumbing, heating, insulation is from 1920.

SquareEnix called. They said you can pick up your check.

1997 said to move the fuck on.
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RedWhiteBlue posted...

turn-based suck, lack of depth.

Please play XCom and then come back here and try to post that again.
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SwayM posted...

southcoast09 posted...

SwayM posted...

People hating this game are out of their fucking minds.

You want a modern retelling of FF7 and yet you want it to use archaic gameplay?

Heres the keys to a brand new house, new appliances, hard wood floors but the electrical, plumbing, heating, insulation is from 1920.

SquareEnix called. They said you can pick up your check.

1997 said to move the fuck on.

The lukewarm-at-best reception to your beloved nu-final fantasy games called and said my games are still better than yours.
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Nazanir posted...

RedWhiteBlue posted...

turn-based suck, lack of depth.

Please play XCom and then come back here and try to post that again.

Were obviously not talking about tactical/SRPGs in this topic, so this post is worthless.
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southcoast09 posted...

SwayM posted...

southcoast09 posted...

SwayM posted...

People hating this game are out of their fucking minds.

You want a modern retelling of FF7 and yet you want it to use archaic gameplay?

Heres the keys to a brand new house, new appliances, hard wood floors but the electrical, plumbing, heating, insulation is from 1920.

SquareEnix called. They said you can pick up your check.

1997 said to move the fuck on.

The lukewarm-at-best reception to your beloved nu-final fantasy games called and said my games are still better than yours.

You have no idea how I feel about the new final fantasys. They arent the only example of action RPGs btw.
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cjsdowg posted...

They think Turn base games have not place here. I mean if people just cared about the store of the FFVII and not the game play as well they would have just asked for a movie.

Only the final fantasy team thinks that. Square has like three development teams that make turn based RPGs.
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We didn't ask for lootboxes, but you can bet your house it will.
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Enix in here destroying childhoods like square destroyed Enix.

Hope this remake flops hard. Fuck action battle systems and fuck square Enix. FFXV battle system was so bad holy shit
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Spooking posted...

I think the problem with FF7 is that the battles are too fast to make use out of the Materia. You can just spam attack and get the job done on regular enemies. Not to mention debuffs like Slow were pointless on regular battles and bosses were immune. Lower the encounter rate while making enemies stronger is something I would do with the turn-based system.

The FF4 remake basically did this and it honestly got so tedious after a while. At a certain point in the game, most of the regular enemies had specific strategies intended against them or you'd end up getting your ass-kicked. Repeating what is basically several mini-boss fights 30 times throughout the course of a dungeon is exhausting.

Even though most mooks in FF7 were easy, at least the majority of your attack options were viable for each enemy that wasn't a boss. With the FF4 remake as a comparison, even hitting level 99 was no guarantee of victory because you still had to fall back on specific strategies or die.

EDIT: Even worse on a blind playthrough because instead of just boss fights, regular fights were complete trial and error until you worked out the right way to fight them.
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