Current Events > Fun fact: Toryama originally just wanted 19 and 20 as the villains after Frieza

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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 5:17:50 PM
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Originally it was supposed to be just Android 19 and 20. But the editor was like "so the villains are an old man and some fat fuck? Get the fuck back in there and fix that shit!"

So then he made Android 17 and 18. Then the editor was like "so now the villains are just 2 normal peeps? Nah brah. Ain't happening."

So then he made Cell and then the editor was like "that's better, but that locust monster is kinda gross. Can you make him handsomer? >_>" Yes, that's the real reason lol

So then finally he made Perfect Cell. And all was right in the world.
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 5:18:58 PM
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Also, during Dragonball, one of the artists got tired of redrawing those detailed statues during the World Tournament every frame, so Toryama just had Goku destroy the statue so he wouldn't have to draw it anymore lol
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DK9292
02/07/18 5:19:14 PM
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We know this.
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Zikten
02/07/18 5:19:59 PM
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I'm having trouble picturing how the final battle would go if it was just those 2. They don't come off as being capable of inspiring an epic climactic struggle
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 5:20:29 PM
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DK9292
02/07/18 5:20:42 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
DK9292 posted...
We know this.

Well I didn't so shut the fuck up

fuck you
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Awesome
02/07/18 5:20:46 PM
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Kaname_Madoka
02/07/18 5:22:33 PM
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shoulda kept Imperfect Cell

why the fuck do we need a green bishounen bug robot
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 5:23:05 PM
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Kaname_Madoka posted...
shoulda kept Imperfect Cell

why the fuck do we need a green bishounen bug robot

Cuz a n i m e
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Trigg3rH4ppy
02/07/18 5:23:36 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm having trouble picturing how the final battle would go if it was just those 2. They don't come off as being capable of inspiring an epic climactic struggle

OnOy8t1
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Smashingpmkns
02/07/18 5:23:43 PM
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Cell before his transformation creeped me the fuck out when I was a kid
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02/07/18 5:24:33 PM
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Link HT
02/07/18 5:24:35 PM
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good editor, cell is intimidating and awesome
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jblrulez
02/07/18 5:25:10 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
DK9292 posted...
We know this.

Well I didn't so shut the fuck up


Me neither. Keep em coming TC.
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Twin3Turbo
02/07/18 5:25:47 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Originally it was supposed to be just Android 19 and 20. But the editor was like "so the villains are an old man and some fat fuck? Get the fuck back in there and fix that shit!"

So then he made Android 17 and 18. Then the editor was like "so now the villains are just 2 normal peeps? Nah brah. Ain't happening."

So then he made Cell and then the editor was like "that's better, but that locust monster is kinda gross. Can you make him handsomer? >_>" Yes, that's the real reason lol

So then finally he made Perfect Cell. And all was right in the world.

I knew this

NeonOctopus posted...
Also, during Dragonball, one of the artists got tired of redrawing those detailed statues during the World Tournament every frame, so Toryama just had Goku destroy the statue so he wouldn't have to draw it anymore lol

But I didn't know this
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DemonBuffet
02/07/18 5:25:48 PM
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@Seaman_Prime
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UnfairRepresent
02/07/18 5:27:48 PM
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He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 5:29:30 PM
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jblrulez posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
DK9292 posted...
We know this.

Well I didn't so shut the fuck up


Me neither. Keep em coming TC.

The only other one I know is that they made Goku's Super Saiyan hair blonde just so they wouldn't have to color in his hair anymore lol
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 5:29:53 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.

Is this real lol. Proof? >_>
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Pepys Monster
02/07/18 5:31:24 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.

Whoa.
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Saquon--Barkley
02/07/18 5:31:33 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm having trouble picturing how the final battle would go if it was just those 2. They don't come off as being capable of inspiring an epic climactic struggle

Goku likely would have been killed
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DemonBuffet
02/07/18 5:33:13 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.

Is this real lol. Proof? >_>

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Yomi
02/07/18 5:34:29 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
DK9292 posted...
We know this.

Well I didn't so shut the fuck up
This is why I love NeonOctopus tbh
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DK9292
02/07/18 5:34:53 PM
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Fun fact: Goku and Vegeta were supposed to use the Fusion Dance and become Gogeta to defeat Super Buu, but Toei approached AT regarding the new movie they were making and asked to use the concept. Toriyama gave them his notes and design sketches for Gogeta, and he made up the Potara earrings and Vegito to fill the gap.
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smoke_break
02/07/18 5:36:40 PM
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I'm going to need a reputable source for every story posted ITT.
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Weezy_Tha_Don
02/07/18 5:36:52 PM
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DK9292 posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
DK9292 posted...
We know this.

Well I didn't so shut the fuck up

fuck you


lol
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Garioshi
02/07/18 5:37:49 PM
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Twin3Turbo posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
Originally it was supposed to be just Android 19 and 20. But the editor was like "so the villains are an old man and some fat fuck? Get the fuck back in there and fix that shit!"

So then he made Android 17 and 18. Then the editor was like "so now the villains are just 2 normal peeps? Nah brah. Ain't happening."

So then he made Cell and then the editor was like "that's better, but that locust monster is kinda gross. Can you make him handsomer? >_>" Yes, that's the real reason lol

So then finally he made Perfect Cell. And all was right in the world.

I knew this

NeonOctopus posted...
Also, during Dragonball, one of the artists got tired of redrawing those detailed statues during the World Tournament every frame, so Toryama just had Goku destroy the statue so he wouldn't have to draw it anymore lol

But I didn't know this

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FreshOverlord
02/07/18 5:38:45 PM
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For the ones asking about Toriyama comic about the super heroine that became a hooker, it's called Lady Red. I'm not sure if it's against the ToS so I'm not gonna post it. But you can google it
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Kanaya413
02/07/18 5:40:49 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Also, during Dragonball, one of the artists got tired of redrawing those detailed statues during the World Tournament every frame, so Toryama just had Goku destroy the statue so he wouldn't have to draw it anymore lol

This is hilarious
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UnfairRepresent
02/07/18 5:40:56 PM
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DemonBuffet posted...
NeonOctopus posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.

Is this real lol. Proof? >_>

Yes it's real

Can't post it because it's not TOU friendly for obvious reasons.
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_MorningStar
02/07/18 5:41:38 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
He also once made a comic about a female superhero who got brutally raped every time she tried to stop crimes.

In the end the rapes made her quit being a hero and instead she became a hooker.

Toryama is a weird man.

....wut
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mcpwnia
02/07/18 5:44:49 PM
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I've always wanted to see Raditz come back and be a good guy or something >_>
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Link HT
02/07/18 6:03:19 PM
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mcpwnia posted...
I've always wanted to see Raditz come back and be a good guy or something >_>

raditz really was a throwaway character, no idea why they made him goku's brother
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UnfairRepresent
02/07/18 6:14:25 PM
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Link HT posted...
mcpwnia posted...
I've always wanted to see Raditz come back and be a good guy or something >_>

raditz really was a throwaway character, no idea why they made him goku's brother

It is crazy how little he does
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mattnd2007
02/07/18 6:27:34 PM
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Number39 posted...
i hear stories like this every couple of years

"oh cell was supposed to be the last saga"
"oh androids were supposed to be the last saga"
"oh frieza was supposed to be the last saga"

next thing you know people are gonna be saying the series was supposed to end at Vegeta


Isn't frieza saga legit though? I never really heard it after that. But that would be a logical endpoint to the series. With the mythical ssj actually being real.
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DK9292
02/07/18 6:28:30 PM
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mattnd2007 posted...
Number39 posted...
i hear stories like this every couple of years

"oh cell was supposed to be the last saga"
"oh androids were supposed to be the last saga"
"oh frieza was supposed to be the last saga"

next thing you know people are gonna be saying the series was supposed to end at Vegeta


Isn't frieza saga legit though? I never really heard it after that. But that would be a logical endpoint to the series. With the mythical ssj actually being real.

Nah, with the timing of the chapters it couldn't be.
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Mistere Man
02/07/18 6:29:46 PM
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We should thank them as they gave us android 18!
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FreshOverlord
02/07/18 6:34:43 PM
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mcpwnia posted...
I've always wanted to see Raditz come back and be a good guy or something >_>


while not exactly what you described, there's a similar scenario in one of the Budokai Tenkai chi games. I think the second one.
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Doe
02/07/18 6:38:38 PM
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I believe Cell was supposed to be last considering Goku dies again and Hogan inherits his position more or less
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 6:39:27 PM
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Number39 posted...
i hear stories like this every couple of years

"oh cell was supposed to be the last saga"
"oh androids were supposed to be the last saga"
"oh frieza was supposed to be the last saga"

next thing you know people are gonna be saying the series was supposed to end at Vegeta

The series was supposed to end after Oolong wished for Bulma's panties
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Chicken
02/07/18 6:39:48 PM
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Number39 posted...
i hear stories like this every couple of years

"oh cell was supposed to be the last saga"
"oh androids were supposed to be the last saga"
"oh frieza was supposed to be the last saga"

next thing you know people are gonna be saying the series was supposed to end at Vegeta

DBZ was supposed to end at the farmer.
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NeonOctopus
02/07/18 6:41:27 PM
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Sami1000
02/07/18 6:43:57 PM
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DK9292 posted...
We know this.


I didn't.
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charey
02/07/18 7:02:12 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm having trouble picturing how the final battle would go if it was just those 2. They don't come off as being capable of inspiring an epic climactic struggle
Well Im guessing they would have had more abilities if they lasted longer.
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Deadpool_18
02/07/18 7:08:33 PM
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DK9292 posted...
We know this.


I didnt. This is interesting. 19 and 20 were far scarier and it wouldve been better with only them, honestly.
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MrNintendo1213
02/07/18 7:13:42 PM
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Number39 posted...
i hear stories like this every couple of years

"oh cell was supposed to be the last saga"
"oh androids were supposed to be the last saga"
"oh frieza was supposed to be the last saga"

next thing you know people are gonna be saying the series was supposed to end at Vegeta


I actually heard people say that before I heard the stuff about frieza and cell. I think he planned it like that back when it was still Dragon Ball though.
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littlebro07
02/07/18 7:14:47 PM
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33
02/07/18 7:15:11 PM
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No wonder one of the most terrifying villains in the series history is just said editor made of bubble gum.
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VTBM
02/07/18 7:16:30 PM
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Doe posted...
I believe Cell was supposed to be last considering Goku dies again and Hogan inherits his position more or less


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