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AlisLandale 02/07/18 9:22:03 AM #1:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-QhdzQo66o Tl;dw: "Bathos" is a literary device that uses a sudden change from drama, to humor. The video creator explains that even if the jokes can be funny, they come at the expense of allowing an audience to get emotionally invested. Goes further and says the pervasiveness of this tool makes the movie creators seem afraid, and are using the drama-breaking quips as a crutch. I'm inclined to agree. And I feel like all too often people use arguments like "its a movie about superheroes" or "its a movie about laser swords" to defend this trope. But just because a movie can be fantastical or silly in premise doesn't mean they can't tell good stories. Star Wars as an example, for two episodes in a row now, have sacrificed the gravitas of its villains in the opening scene so Poe Dameron could make the audience laugh. Which sucks because otherwise VII couldve had, imo, the best opening scene in the franchise. I don't care if the good guys are going to win anyway. Laughing at the incomptence of Storm Troopers is something you do when you're back at home talking about the movie with your friends. When I'm watching the movie I want to be invested. And I can't care about the heroes if the movie won't at least pretend the villains are a credible threat. >_> --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895629781] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-QhdzQo66o Tl;dw: "Bathos" is a literary device that uses a sudden change from drama, to humor. The video creator explains that even if the jokes can be funny, they come at the expense of allowing an audience to get emotionally invested. Goes further and says the pervasiveness of this tool makes the movie creators seem afraid, and are using the drama-breaking quips as a crutch. I'm inclined to agree. And I feel like all too often people use arguments like "its a movie about superheroes" or "its a movie about laser swords" to defend this trope. But just because a movie can be fantastical or silly in premise doesn't mean they can't tell good stories. Star Wars as an example, for two episodes in a row now, have sacrificed the gravitas of its villains in the opening scene so Poe Dameron could make the audience laugh. Which sucks because otherwise VII couldve had, imo, the best opening scene in the franchise. I don't care if the good guys are going to win anyway. Laughing at the incomptence of Storm Troopers is something you do when you're back at home talking about the movie with your friends. When I'm watching the movie I want to be invested. And I can't care about the heroes if the movie won't at least pretend the villains are a credible threat. >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 02/07/18 9:25:39 AM #2:	Star Wars has always been full of comic relief. did you not watch the original trilogy? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:895629932] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Star Wars has always been full of comic relief. did you not watch the original trilogy?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 02/07/18 9:27:55 AM #3:	Well I don't watch these movies because I want a deep, compelling drama. I'll take Poe's jokes over George Lucas's failed attempts at making C3PO jokes --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:895630025] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Well I don't watch these movies because I want a deep, compelling drama. I'll take Poe's jokes over George Lucas's failed attempts at making C3PO jokes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/07/18 9:48:45 AM #4:	averagejoel posted... Star Wars has always been full of comic relief. did you not watch the original trilogy? You seem to have missed the point entirely. It's not the existence of comic relief that is the problem, but the timing. The Sequel Trilogy uses jokes to undercut dramatic tension. Its not all bad though. In TLJ, BB8 doing the "electric whack a mole" was great. It was humorous and complemented the tension, rather than destroying it. Mark "do you feel it" Hamill's sarcasm worked because there wasn't any tension to break, and helped criticize Rey's character to set up her growth. But then you go back and VII destroys Phasma's character just so old fans can laugh about a trash compactor. Its all over the place. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895630839] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote>Star Wars has always been full of comic relief. did you not watch the original trilogy?</quote> You seem to have missed the point entirely. It's not the existence of comic relief that is the problem, but the timing. The Sequel Trilogy uses jokes to undercut dramatic tension. Its not all bad though. In TLJ, BB8 doing the "electric whack a mole" was great. It was humorous and complemented the tension, rather than destroying it. Mark "do you feel it" Hamill's sarcasm worked because there wasn't any tension to break, and helped criticize Rey's character to set up her growth. But then you go back and VII destroys Phasma's character just so old fans can laugh about a trash compactor. Its all over the place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/07/18 9:59:52 AM #5:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Well I don't watch these movies because I want a deep, compelling drama. I'll take Poe's jokes over George Lucas's failed attempts at making C3PO jokes So what did you watch the original trilogy for, assuming you did? Because while it could be silly or poorly executed at times, serious character drama has been at the center of every major arc in the franchise. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895631278] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Well I don't watch these movies because I want a deep, compelling drama. I'll take Poe's jokes over George Lucas's failed attempts at making C3PO jokes</quote> So what did you watch the original trilogy for, assuming you did? Because while it could be silly or poorly executed at times, serious character drama has been at the center of every major arc in the franchise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/07/18 5:13:43 PM #6:	Evening bump --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895655751] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Evening bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spanky1 02/07/18 5:21:25 PM #8:	Yeah I get what you're saying. So to contrast, the original trilogy would use humor in places between points of dramatic tension, while the new trilogy uses humor during these same points of dramatic tension, at the expense of the dramatic tension. --- http://i.imgur.com/DCjoiZ0.jpg <cite>spanky1 posted [p:895656178] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I get what you're saying. So to contrast, the original trilogy would use humor in places between points of dramatic tension, while the new trilogy uses humor during these same points of dramatic tension, at the expense of the dramatic tension.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AlisLandale 02/07/18 5:26:26 PM #10:	Yeah. The OT wasn't perfect, to be fair. Most people roll their eyes at the Ewoks for similar reasons. (Its hard to take a fight between imperial soldiers and teddy bears seriously. You need to have a certain taste for kitsch) My problem with modern star wars is the severity of the switch. Like I said, VII was almost perfect in the opening. VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call Its frustrating in Marvel too, but its always been sort of like that so I can enjo a few for what they were. In Dr Stranges case (which the video mentions) I felt the times it did devote to pure drama were good enough to make up for it. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895656467] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Yeah. The OT wasn't perfect, to be fair. Most people roll their eyes at the Ewoks for similar reasons. (Its hard to take a fight between imperial soldiers and teddy bears seriously. You need to have a certain taste for kitsch) My problem with modern star wars is the severity of the switch. Like I said, VII was almost perfect in the opening. VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call Its frustrating in Marvel too, but its always been sort of like that so I can enjo a few for what they were. In Dr Stranges case (which the video mentions) I felt the times it did devote to pure drama were good enough to make up for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spanky1 02/07/18 5:29:07 PM #11:	AlisLandale posted... Yeah. The OT wasn't perfect, to be fair. Most people roll their eyes at the Ewoks for similar reasons. (Its hard to take a fight between imperial soldiers and teddy bears seriously. You need to have a certain taste for kitsch) My problem with modern star wars is the severity of the switch. Like I said, VII was almost perfect in the opening. VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call Its frustrating in Marvel too, but its always been sort of like that so I can enjo a few for what they were. In Dr Stranges case (which the video mentions) I felt the times it did devote to pure drama were good enough to make up for it. I actually enjoyed it in Thor Ragnorok because they basically went full blown comedy. When you just view the movie as a comedy it's pretty good. --- http://i.imgur.com/DCjoiZ0.jpg <cite>spanky1 posted [p:895656615] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah. The OT wasn't perfect, to be fair. Most people roll their eyes at the Ewoks for similar reasons. (Its hard to take a fight between imperial soldiers and teddy bears seriously. You need to have a certain taste for kitsch) My problem with modern star wars is the severity of the switch. Like I said, VII was almost perfect in the opening. VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call Its frustrating in Marvel too, but its always been sort of like that so I can enjo a few for what they were. In Dr Stranges case (which the video mentions) I felt the times it did devote to pure drama were good enough to make up for it.</quote> I actually enjoyed it in Thor Ragnorok because they basically went full blown comedy. When you just view the movie as a comedy it's pretty good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/07/18 5:29:40 PM #12:	No idea how people got invested in movies like Indiana Jones or Die Hard if they don't like jokes during tense scenes. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:895656649] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>No idea how people got invested in movies like Indiana Jones or Die Hard if they don't like jokes during tense scenes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/07/18 5:32:08 PM #13:	spanky1 posted... Yeah I get what you're saying. So to contrast, the original trilogy would use humor in places between points of dramatic tension, while the new trilogy uses humor during these same points of dramatic tension, at the expense of the dramatic tension. What a load of bologna. The Princess Leia rescue is full of comic relief. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:895656798] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>spanky1 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah I get what you're saying. So to contrast, the original trilogy would use humor in places between points of dramatic tension, while the new trilogy uses humor during these same points of dramatic tension, at the expense of the dramatic tension.</quote> What a load of bologna. The Princess Leia rescue is full of comic relief.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 02/07/18 5:35:16 PM #14:	Got halfway through the video. For marvel movies, it's really an argument of how the source material can be depicted on screen. Cuz in comics the characters are tossing quips back and forth during serious moments/battles and that was this guy's major gripe. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:895656980] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Got halfway through the video. For marvel movies, it's really an argument of how the source material can be depicted on screen. Cuz in comics the characters are tossing quips back and forth during serious moments/battles and that was this guy's major gripe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/07/18 5:44:25 PM #15:	Darmik posted... spanky1 posted... Yeah I get what you're saying. So to contrast, the original trilogy would use humor in places between points of dramatic tension, while the new trilogy uses humor during these same points of dramatic tension, at the expense of the dramatic tension. What a load of bologna. The Princess Leia rescue is full of comic relief. And not a single joke undercut the situation because of its timing. Lines like "That was a boring conversation anyway" and "What a wonderful smell you've discovered" came during natural lulls in the action. By contrast "Do you talk first, or do I talk first?" Happened at the climax of rising tension of an otherwise very serious scene. It treated the drama as a set-up for a punchline. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895657458] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>spanky1 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah I get what you're saying. So to contrast, the original trilogy would use humor in places between points of dramatic tension, while the new trilogy uses humor during these same points of dramatic tension, at the expense of the dramatic tension.</quote> What a load of bologna. The Princess Leia rescue is full of comic relief.</quote> And not a single joke undercut the situation because of its timing. Lines like "That was a boring conversation anyway" and "What a wonderful smell you've discovered" came during natural lulls in the action. By contrast "Do you talk first, or do I talk first?" Happened at the climax of rising tension of an otherwise very serious scene. It treated the drama as a set-up for a punchline.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/07/18 5:45:47 PM #16:	AlisLandale posted... By contrast "Do you talk first, or do I talk first?" Happened at the climax of rising tension of an otherwise very serious scene. It treated the drama as a set-up for a punchline. It was a scene where the guy was trying to distract him long enough to set up an ambush. This stuff is pretty common in action movies. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:895657527] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>By contrast "Do you talk first, or do I talk first?" Happened at the climax of rising tension of an otherwise very serious scene. It treated the drama as a set-up for a punchline.</quote> It was a scene where the guy was trying to distract him long enough to set up an ambush. This stuff is pretty common in action movies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
stoltenberg11 02/07/18 5:54:15 PM #17:	I think having the jokes come right at the beginning of the movies is the worst thing about it. It immediately kills off some of the tension for the rest of the movie for me when I see the villains being joked around with in the first scene. I like that at least they keep Poe's character consistent in that regard but maybe start ep 9 off with someone else besides him. --- You're such a boring characterless entity. Try getting laid once in a while and maybe you'll have friends and find out what a "joke" is. - derrate <cite>stoltenberg11 posted [p:895658007] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>I think having the jokes come right at the beginning of the movies is the worst thing about it. It immediately kills off some of the tension for the rest of the movie for me when I see the villains being joked around with in the first scene. I like that at least they keep Poe's character consistent in that regard but maybe start ep 9 off with someone else besides him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Squall28 02/07/18 5:56:48 PM #18:	Yeah I hate this type of humor. It ruins the moment. --- If you're going through hell, keep going. -Winston Churchill <cite>Squall28 posted [p:895658133] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I hate this type of humor. It ruins the moment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/07/18 6:06:21 PM #19:	Darmik posted... It was a scene where the guy was trying to distract him long enough to set up an ambush. This stuff is pretty common in action movies. Explain why a distraction requires neutering your villain's gravitas in the opening scene. Because your defense does not address anything I've mentioned. stoltenberg11 posted... I think having the jokes come right at the beginning of the movies is the worst thing about it. It immediately kills off some of the tension for the rest of the movie for me when I see the villains being joked around with in the first scene Yes! These opening acts set up the tone of the entire film. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895658632] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote>It was a scene where the guy was trying to distract him long enough to set up an ambush. This stuff is pretty common in action movies.</quote> Explain why a distraction requires neutering your villain's gravitas in the opening scene. Because your defense does not address anything I've mentioned. <cite>stoltenberg11 posted...</cite> <quote>I think having the jokes come right at the beginning of the movies is the worst thing about it. It immediately kills off some of the tension for the rest of the movie for me when I see the villains being joked around with in the first scene</quote> Yes! These opening acts set up the tone of the entire film.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/07/18 6:08:47 PM #20:	AlisLandale posted... Explain why a distraction requires neutering your villain's gravitas in the opening scene. Because your defense does not address anything I've mentioned. Because then we'd get a minute long conversation where nothing else happens until the action starts? That guy isn't even the main antagonist. He's a boring New Order officer. It's typical adventure movie stuff. The hero outsmarts the villain. Often they're being a smartass. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:895658767] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>Explain why a distraction requires neutering your villain's gravitas in the opening scene. Because your defense does not address anything I've mentioned.</quote> Because then we'd get a minute long conversation where nothing else happens until the action starts? That guy isn't even the main antagonist. He's a boring New Order officer. It's typical adventure movie stuff. The hero outsmarts the villain. Often they're being a smartass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kitt 02/07/18 6:10:24 PM #21:	Sam Raimi is a master at weaving through different tones in a scene/movie seamlessly. --- http://i.imgur.com/pmc9XsI.gif http://i.imgur.com/LkrRVe2.gifv http://i.imgur.com/Dp03g3y.jpg Cute? B**, I'm adorable. <cite>Kitt posted [p:895658869] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Sam Raimi is a master at weaving through different tones in a scene/movie seamlessly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 02/07/18 6:10:46 PM #22:	Sometimes it's done well, sometimes it's not. That Dr Strange clip started out awesome, but then they ruined it with that joke. Just let it happen without trying to get a cheap laugh ffs. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:895658887] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Sometimes it's done well, sometimes it's not. That Dr Strange clip started out awesome, but then they ruined it with that joke. Just let it happen without trying to get a cheap laugh ffs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/07/18 6:12:52 PM #23:	Darmik posted... AlisLandale posted... Explain why a distraction requires neutering your villain's gravitas in the opening scene. Because your defense does not address anything I've mentioned. Because then we'd get a minute long conversation where nothing else happens until the action starts? That guy isn't even the main antagonist. He's a boring New Order officer. It's typical adventure movie stuff. The hero outsmarts the villain. Often they're being a smartass. We didnt get a minute long conversation. Poe's quip was ignored and his "distraction" was never in any danger. The scene would have played out exactly the same way if he'd never said anything. He was carted off, the villagers killed, BB8 runs off somewhere. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895658985] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darmik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>Explain why a distraction requires neutering your villain's gravitas in the opening scene. Because your defense does not address anything I've mentioned.</quote> Because then we'd get a minute long conversation where nothing else happens until the action starts? That guy isn't even the main antagonist. He's a boring New Order officer. It's typical adventure movie stuff. The hero outsmarts the villain. Often they're being a smartass.</quote> We didnt get a minute long conversation. Poe's quip was ignored and his "distraction" was never in any danger. The scene would have played out exactly the same way if he'd never said anything. He was carted off, the villagers killed, BB8 runs off somewhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/07/18 6:14:40 PM #24:	...someone's actually taking Lego Batman seriously? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:895659077] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>...someone's actually taking Lego Batman seriously?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/07/18 6:18:56 PM #25:	Wait, I just realized we're talking about 2 different scenes. "Talk first" was 7. Youre thinking of VIII. In which case, the distraction was the worst thing ever. It requires the movie to make an ass out of its villain, by having a military officer (an entire room full of them) completely fall for a juvenile prank. Thats not outsmarting the villain. Thats forcing your characters to act out of character to prop up a joke. The scene would not work in any normal context, you need to actively dumb down your villains to make it work. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895659316] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Wait, I just realized we're talking about 2 different scenes. "Talk first" was 7. Youre thinking of VIII. In which case, the distraction was the worst thing ever. It requires the movie to make an ass out of its villain, by having a military officer (an entire room full of them) completely fall for a juvenile prank. Thats not outsmarting the villain. Thats forcing your characters to act out of character to prop up a joke. The scene would not work in any normal context, you need to actively dumb down your villains to make it work.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 02/07/18 6:26:15 PM #26:	AlisLandale posted... VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call So what? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:895659702] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call</quote> So what?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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refmon 02/07/18 6:32:00 PM #28:	Ill never forgive that dancing scene in GOTG --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:895660018] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Ill never forgive that dancing scene in GOTG</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Banjo2553 02/07/18 6:36:27 PM #29:	Yeah, I agree. I didn't really have a problem with the other jokes but the way TLJ started off seemed kinda poor. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>Banjo2553 posted [p:895660252] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I agree. I didn't really have a problem with the other jokes but the way TLJ started off seemed kinda poor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
weapon_d00d816 02/07/18 6:39:11 PM #30:	AlisLandale posted... I don't care if the good guys are going to win anyway. Laughing at the incomptence of Storm Troopers is something you do when you're back at home talking about the movie with your friends. When I'm watching the movie I want to be invested. And I can't care about the heroes if the movie won't at least pretend the villains are a credible threat. >_> I resonate with this the most. My biggest criticism of episode 8 was how the movie was constantly "pre-meming" itself. --- SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SIG SlG <cite>weapon_d00d816 posted [p:895660397] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>I don't care if the good guys are going to win anyway. Laughing at the incomptence of Storm Troopers is something you do when you're back at home talking about the movie with your friends. When I'm watching the movie I want to be invested. And I can't care about the heroes if the movie won't at least pretend the villains are a credible threat. >_></quote> I resonate with this the most. My biggest criticism of episode 8 was how the movie was constantly "pre-meming" itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterpug53 02/07/18 7:54:13 PM #31:	I'd be somewhat interested in someone doing an unbiased, scene-by-scene application of this 'bathos' theory / critique to everyone's favorite flick, The Dark Knight. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:895665116] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>I'd be somewhat interested in someone doing an unbiased, scene-by-scene application of this 'bathos' theory / critique to everyone's favorite flick, The Dark Knight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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a42ozslushie 02/07/18 8:45:25 PM #33:	It's why I've pretty much given up on the Marvel movies. Age of Ultron was just terrible because of this. Though the worst offender by far was in Ant-Man. Pym and his daughter are talking about the fate of Pym's wife, and he tells his daughter that she is trapped in the quantum realm. this could have been a really dramatic scene, with one of our main characters coming to grips with the fact that her mom is literally trapped in a reality of subatomic particles. instead, the tension in the scene gets ruined cause Scott comes in and makes a shitty joke --- \_o__/ <cite>a42ozslushie posted [p:895668517] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>It's why I've pretty much given up on the Marvel movies. Age of Ultron was just terrible because of this. Though the worst offender by far was in Ant-Man. Pym and his daughter are talking about the fate of Pym's wife, and he tells his daughter that she is trapped in the quantum realm. this could have been a really dramatic scene, with one of our main characters coming to grips with the fact that her mom is literally trapped in a reality of subatomic particles. instead, the tension in the scene gets ruined cause Scott comes in and makes a shitty joke</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kinetika_ 02/07/18 9:01:55 PM #34:	Dragon Ball Super seems to do this a lot, too. The fights aren't serious or tense to me like they were in DBZ. It's like people these days are afraid of being dramatic and serious. --- PSN: PurifyNothing <cite>kinetika_ posted [p:895669571] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Dragon Ball Super seems to do this a lot, too. The fights aren't serious or tense to me like they were in DBZ. It's like people these days are afraid of being dramatic and serious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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masterpug53 02/07/18 11:02:18 PM #36:	shockthemonkey posted... masterpug53 posted... I'd be somewhat interested in someone doing an unbiased, scene-by-scene application of this 'bathos' theory / critique to everyone's favorite flick, The Dark Knight. I was thinking about that one earlier but couldnt think of a time when the humor wasnt appropriate. I'd just be curious to see whether TDK fits neatly into whatever rules this vid uses to critique contemporary SW / Marvel, or if it defies the rules and succeeds anyway because it's TDK. --- Simple questions deserve long-winded answers that no one will bother to read. <cite>masterpug53 posted [p:895676605] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>masterpug53 posted...</cite> <quote>I'd be somewhat interested in someone doing an unbiased, scene-by-scene application of this 'bathos' theory / critique to everyone's favorite flick, The Dark Knight.</quote> I was thinking about that one earlier but couldnt think of a time when the humor wasnt appropriate.</quote> I'd just be curious to see whether TDK fits neatly into whatever rules this vid uses to critique contemporary SW / Marvel, or if it defies the rules and succeeds anyway because it's TDK.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Spidey5 02/07/18 11:04:52 PM #37:	Yeah that opening dialogue in TLJ was embarrassing tbh --- http://i.imgur.com/wfUGrp5.gif http://i.imgur.com/Sus70Yp.jpg http://i.imgur.com/3Alq6H7.gif http://i.imgur.com/cjVX1u8.png <cite>Spidey5 posted [p:895676729] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>Yeah that opening dialogue in TLJ was embarrassing tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KazumaKiryu 02/07/18 11:08:50 PM #38:	DarkChozoGhost posted... Well I don't watch these movies because I want a deep, compelling drama. I'll take Poe's jokes over George Lucas's failed attempts at making C3PO jokes Imagine being like this --- Just your bad luck... to run into me. <cite>KazumaKiryu posted [p:895676927] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Well I don't watch these movies because I want a deep, compelling drama. I'll take Poe's jokes over George Lucas's failed attempts at making C3PO jokes</quote> Imagine being like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 02/08/18 1:07:02 AM #39:	KazumaKiryu posted... DarkChozoGhost posted... Well I don't watch these movies because I want a deep, compelling drama. I'll take Poe's jokes over George Lucas's failed attempts at making C3PO jokes Imagine being like this Fun loving? --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:895682002] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>KazumaKiryu posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkChozoGhost posted...</cite> <quote>Well I don't watch these movies because I want a deep, compelling drama. I'll take Poe's jokes over George Lucas's failed attempts at making C3PO jokes</quote> Imagine being like this</quote> Fun loving?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delirious_Beard 02/08/18 7:03:17 AM #41:	dave_is_slick posted... AlisLandale posted... VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call So what? ..really? --- http://i.imgur.com/5UL2v5u.gif "Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too?" <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:895690625] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call</quote> So what?</quote> ..really?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dave_is_slick 02/08/18 9:33:18 AM #42:	Delirious_Beard posted... dave_is_slick posted... AlisLandale posted... VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call So what? ..really? Yes really. The dude was unimportant as all he'll and it was fully in Poe's character to do that. Y'all need to lighten up. --- The most relaxing version of Aquatic Ambiance I've ever heard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl61y1XM7sM <cite>dave_is_slick posted [p:895694992] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>Delirious_Beard posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlisLandale posted...</cite> <quote>VIII was way worse. The FO were strategically defeated by a crank call</quote> So what?</quote> ..really?</quote> Yes really. The dude was unimportant as all he'll and it was fully in Poe's character to do that. Y'all need to lighten up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 02/08/18 9:36:54 AM #43:	The video creator explains that even if the jokes can be funny, they come at the expense of allowing an audience to get emotionally invested. Goes further and says the pervasiveness of this tool makes the movie creators seem afraid, and are using the drama-breaking quips as a crutch. shrugs I just have abnormal psychology I guess. --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:895695126] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><quote>The video creator explains that even if the jokes can be funny, they come at the expense of allowing an audience to get emotionally invested. Goes further and says the pervasiveness of this tool makes the movie creators seem afraid, and are using the drama-breaking quips as a crutch.</quote> shrugs I just have abnormal psychology I guess.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueBoy675 02/08/18 9:37:47 AM #44:	I literally rolled my eyes at the prank call in VIII. --- Hope rides alone <cite>BlueBoy675 posted [p:895695183] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>I literally rolled my eyes at the prank call in VIII.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prince_leo 02/08/18 9:47:01 AM #45:	I felt it was most egregious in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 like we're supposed to care about almost the entire group and then some because of the emotional damages they've received, but every time they get to a point where i'm like "ok then, i've been brought in" they suddenly turn around and just make a dumb joke and I like comedy. loved the first Guardians so it's not like I even went in there hating on it. but because of that and the flanderization of the characters, I really think it was the worst comic film of last year (at least Justice League was consistent) Star Wars TLJ had it too, but I don't think it was as bad as the above. it actually reminded me of the Hobbit films more than anything else, which isn't great but it wasn't as bad as GotG 2 imo --- https://imgur.com/uHUvpSH http://error1355.com/ce/prince_leo.html <cite>prince_leo posted [p:895695553] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>I felt it was most egregious in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 like we're supposed to care about almost the entire group and then some because of the emotional damages they've received, but every time they get to a point where i'm like "ok then, i've been brought in" they suddenly turn around and just make a dumb joke and I like comedy. loved the first Guardians so it's not like I even went in there hating on it. but because of that and the flanderization of the characters, I really think it was the worst comic film of last year (at least Justice League was consistent) Star Wars TLJ had it too, but I don't think it was as bad as the above. it actually reminded me of the Hobbit films more than anything else, which isn't great but it wasn't as bad as GotG 2 imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueBoy675 02/08/18 9:48:14 AM #46:	And I don't think the OT ever really fell back on this type of humor, and if it did it was very sparingly. The type of thing we're talking about here is very noticeable in the new movies and kinda distracting. It would be like if during the father reveal in V Luke just followed up with a quip about Vader being a deadbeat dad. It would be inappropriate and completely ruin the scene. I can't think of any moments like that in the OT. I can think of tons of moments like that in the new films. Admittedly I may need to rewatch the OT. It's been a while --- Hope rides alone <cite>BlueBoy675 posted [p:895695606] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote>And I don't think the OT ever really fell back on this type of humor, and if it did it was very sparingly. The type of thing we're talking about here is very noticeable in the new movies and kinda distracting. It would be like if during the father reveal in V Luke just followed up with a quip about Vader being a deadbeat dad. It would be inappropriate and completely ruin the scene. I can't think of any moments like that in the OT. I can think of tons of moments like that in the new films. Admittedly I may need to rewatch the OT. It's been a while</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/08/18 9:51:43 AM #47:	BlueBoy675 posted... And I don't think the OT ever really fell back on this type of humor, and if it did it was very sparingly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FSV8w1UoZA There's bad jokes all throughout ANH, but Lucas's terrible writing served to hide most of them somehow. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:895695733] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueBoy675 posted...</cite> <quote>And I don't think the OT ever really fell back on this type of humor, and if it did it was very sparingly.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FSV8w1UoZA There's bad jokes all throughout ANH, but Lucas's terrible writing served to hide most of them somehow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlueBoy675 02/08/18 9:55:20 AM #48:	Questionmarktarius posted... BlueBoy675 posted... And I don't think the OT ever really fell back on this type of humor, and if it did it was very sparingly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FSV8w1UoZA There's bad jokes all throughout ANH, but Lucas's terrible writing served to hide most of them somehow. Ok, but I think you're kinda missing the point. We're not complaining about there being humor in the movies. Yes the OT had humor too, obviously. What we're talking about is humor being inappropriately timed. That scene you posted is not an example of that. --- Hope rides alone <cite>BlueBoy675 posted [p:895695880] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueBoy675 posted...</cite> <quote>And I don't think the OT ever really fell back on this type of humor, and if it did it was very sparingly.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FSV8w1UoZA There's bad jokes all throughout ANH, but Lucas's terrible writing served to hide most of them somehow.</quote> Ok, but I think you're kinda missing the point. We're not complaining about there being humor in the movies. Yes the OT had humor too, obviously. What we're talking about is humor being inappropriately timed. That scene you posted is not an example of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/08/18 9:56:24 AM #49:	BlueBoy675 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... BlueBoy675 posted... And I don't think the OT ever really fell back on this type of humor, and if it did it was very sparingly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FSV8w1UoZA There's bad jokes all throughout ANH, but Lucas's terrible writing served to hide most of them somehow. Ok, but I think you're kinda missing the point. We're not complaining about there being humor in the movies. Yes the OT had humor too, obviously. What we're talking about is humor being inappropriately timed. That scene you posted is not an example of that. Not a Firefly fan, huh? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:895695933] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueBoy675 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BlueBoy675 posted...</cite> <quote>And I don't think the OT ever really fell back on this type of humor, and if it did it was very sparingly.</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FSV8w1UoZA There's bad jokes all throughout ANH, but Lucas's terrible writing served to hide most of them somehow.</quote> Ok, but I think you're kinda missing the point. We're not complaining about there being humor in the movies. Yes the OT had humor too, obviously. What we're talking about is humor being inappropriately timed. That scene you posted is not an example of that.</quote> Not a Firefly fan, huh?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 02/08/18 10:23:51 AM #50:	dave_is_slick posted... Yes really. The dude was unimportant as all he'll and it was fully in Poe's character to do that. Y'all need to lighten up. You mean the character who, one movie ago, gave a Hitler-esque speech before ~~blowing up multiple planets~~? That character is supposed to be unimportant? Imagine if Carrie Fisher gave Tarkin a wet willie. That's the level of nonsense of that scene. And while it may have been within Poe's character, it's not generally within an evil empire's character to fall for a prank that could have opened a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. The movie doesnt need this scene to happen that way. There are countless other ways Poe could form a distraction to buy time without turning the FO into a power rangers villain. Ivan Ooze had more dignity for goodness sake. --- Currently Binging: Ghost in the Shell - Stand Alone Complex http://i.imgtc.com/YQId2Bz.png <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:895697070] in Turns out ... [t:76293033]...</cite> <quote><cite>dave_is_slick posted...</cite> <quote>Yes really. The dude was unimportant as all he'll and it was fully in Poe's character to do that. Y'all need to lighten up.</quote> You mean the character who, one movie ago, gave a Hitler-esque speech before blowing up multiple planets? That character is supposed to be unimportant? Imagine if Carrie Fisher gave Tarkin a wet willie. That's the level of nonsense of that scene. And while it may have been within Poe's character, it's not generally within an evil empire's character to fall for a prank that could have opened a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. The movie doesnt need this scene to happen that way. There are countless other ways Poe could form a distraction to buy time without turning the FO into a power rangers villain. Ivan Ooze had more dignity for goodness sake.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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