Poll of the Day > This 13 y/o Ohio Girl was Punished with a BOY HAIRCUT by her DAD!! Look at It!!!

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Christin Johnson, an Ohio Mother shared heartbreaking photos of her daughter, 13 y/o Kelsey, after her father PUNISHED her because she got BLONDE HIGHLIGHTS in her hair for her birthday..so he made her CHOP IT ALL OFF!!

She wrote "This is what my daughter looked like Sunday when i took her home and the other 2 pics is what happened today before she was brought to me...All over me having highlights put in her hair for her birthday!!"

2 additional photos posted by her showed her daughter with long hair and then with the boyish haircut as she buried her face in her hand with tears..

Her father, Schaffen Frederick and evil stepmother, Sarah Murray ordered Kelsey to get a haircut as punishment according to Police Chief Colby Carroll

The police got involved as well as Wood County Children's services are now investigating this as possible child abuse

Her father and mother are volunteer FIREFIGHTERS who are now on leave pending investigations.

The post has now gone viral as people were shocked over the allegations as Colby Caroll said he's never seen a case anything like this

Facebook users have left compassionate comments wishing her well and telling her hair is beautiful regardless of her cut

Christin in the meantime took her daughter to a WIG SHOP to pick out a hair she wanted to use in the meantime as she picked out a dark brown hairstyle with a smile on her face

She wrot "I'd like to thank the ladies at Lady Jane's on Glendale in Toledo for making my baby feel more like herself"

Her father and stepmother were apparently outraged over her getting highlights stating she looked like a TRAMP and didn't approve of her "rebellious" style...

Do you think this is child abuse? let's see what people think.

Kelsey - Before Haircut

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/06/16/48EE243F00000578-5358247-image-m-16_1517935159517.jpg

Kelsey - Boy Haircut

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/06/16/48EE243600000578-5358247-image-m-17_1517935379810.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/06/16/48EE242E00000578-5358247-image-m-18_1517935401954.jpg

Kelsey - New Wig

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/06/16/48EE241400000578-5358247-image-a-9_1517934787592.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/06/16/48EE242A00000578-5358247-image-m-14_1517934937310.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/06/16/48EE241F00000578-5358247-image-a-15_1517934948408.jpg

The evil father and stepmother -

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/07/01/48F28F9800000578-5358247-image-m-56_1517968150419.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/07/01/48F28FB200000578-5358247-Schaffen_and_Sarah_who_are_both_volunteer_firefighters_have_been-m-60_1517968450275.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/07/01/48F28FA000000578-5358247-The_police_department_and_children_s_services_are_now_reportedly-m-58_1517968376236.jpg
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Doesn't really seem like child abuse, just garden variety discipline. Given that she looked better with blond hair and it's not like the haircut was provocative, so I don't see the big deal. Of course, the bitch of an ex-wife who probably unilaterally made the decision to have her daughter get highlights -- against the father's wishes -- is just using this as a chance to fuck over her ex by using the kid.

Full Throttle posted...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/07/01/48F28F9800000578-5358247-image-m-56_1517968150419.jpg

Uh... what's he doing with that finger?
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obvious wig is obvious

that's hilarious tho.
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Zeus posted...

Uh... what's he doing with that finger?

The angle is just weird. You can tell from shadow his finger is not as close as it appears.
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Should've got a blonde wig.
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I wouldn't call it child abuse, but I think the dad's a dick... But that's just me. The hair looked fine with the highlights. She just looked like a normal person. Nothing "Tramp-like" about it. Even if the dad was mad, chopping off almost all of her hair was ridiculous and way too far, IMO... Grounded her would have been better, if he was that mad.
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LinkPizza posted...

I wouldn't call it child abuse, but I think the dad's a dick... But that's just me. The hair looked fine with the highlights. She just looked like a normal person. Nothing "Tramp-like" about it. Even if the dad was mad, chopping off almost all of her hair was ridiculous and way too far, IMO... Grounded her would have been better, if he was that mad.

Letting her keep her hair was allowing her to keep her gift of disobedience. You want your punishment to deter disobedience so you have to make sure they don't get to keep what they misbehaved to get.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I wouldn't call it child abuse, but I think the dad's a dick... But that's just me. The hair looked fine with the highlights. She just looked like a normal person. Nothing "Tramp-like" about it. Even if the dad was mad, chopping off almost all of her hair was ridiculous and way too far, IMO... Grounded her would have been better, if he was that mad.

Letting her keep her hair was allowing her to keep her gift of disobedience. You want your punishment to deter disobedience so you have to make sure they don't get to keep what they misbehaved to get.

It was also a gift from another parent. As in the other person who she gets rules from. We also have no idea of the dad said she couldn't get highlights before she did. He may have never mentioned highlights before and decided he didn't like them when he saw them...
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surely the "boy haircut" looks better than that horrible wig...
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dad only has her part of the week. it's messed up that the dad did such a long term punishement that extends to even after she leaves for her mom. he overreated. I don't get the big deal about highlights

It's fucked up to impose your will on someone else's body and image, including forcing them to cut off their hair. It's hair. Part of the body. Sacred in some cultures. It's not like some PlayStation or a skimpy outfit you can take away.

That would be devastating for most of the teen girls I've known. Heck I was a teen with short hair. Kids can be shitty, and to deal with that when you didn't even want the look... Terrible controlling parenting with no empathy.
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I don't think it's child abuse, but I do think it could lead to child abuse. Just because they're a kid doesn't mean they can't make choices. I mean come on, it's hair....
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Terrible controlling parenting with no empathy.

This. And next thing you know this dad will be on TV for having some psycho Turpin nonsense.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

It's hair. Part of the body. Sacred in some cultures.

The same cultures that wouldn't let you highlight in the first place.

LinkPizza posted...

It was also a gift from another parent. As in the other person who she gets rules from. We also have no idea of the dad said she couldn't get highlights before she did. He may have never mentioned highlights before and decided he didn't like them when he saw them...

We have no idea if he did, but at the same time they should've consulted him as the other person who she gets rules from. Separated parents is a tricky situation, but that means you need to be more considerate of everybody's interests, not less.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

It was also a gift from another parent. As in the other person who she gets rules from. We also have no idea of the dad said she couldn't get highlights before she did. He may have never mentioned highlights before and decided he didn't like them when he saw them...

We have no idea if he did, but at the same time they should've consulted him as the other person who she gets rules from. Separated parents is a tricky situation, but that means you need to be more considerate of everybody's interests, not less.

Nah. It's just highlights. And she's 13. she can decide how she wants her hair to look.
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I can't even pinpoint what it is I hate so much about this to the point where it seems like child abuse. You just don't go there. It's like dressing your son up in a dress as punishment. Fucked up.

She is going to hate him when she grows up.
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Yellow posted...

She is going to hate him when she grows up.

Probably already hates him tbh. What a dickhead.
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Yellow posted...

I can't even pinpoint what it is I hate so much about this to the point where it seems like child abuse. You just don't go there. It's like dressing your son up in a dress as punishment. Fucked up.

She is going to hate him when she grows up.

Seriously. Worst part is I've encountered parents like this. Their poor kids. I don't think any of this patients and children have a healthy relationship
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's hair. Part of the body. Sacred in some cultures.

The same cultures that wouldn't let you highlight in the first place.

LinkPizza posted...

It was also a gift from another parent. As in the other person who she gets rules from. We also have no idea of the dad said she couldn't get highlights before she did. He may have never mentioned highlights before and decided he didn't like them when he saw them...

We have no idea if he did, but at the same time they should've consulted him as the other person who she gets rules from. Separated parents is a tricky situation, but that means you need to be more considerate of everybody's interests, not less.

Seems like the mom had a rule against cutting off the daughter's hair and making her cry, but hey, we know he didn't consult on that. You can undo highlights in hair, hair color exists. It would have been overbearing but coloring the hair back to the natural color maaaaaybe would be punishment.

You can't uncut all of that hair. Or untraumatize your child. What a total lack of respect for her agency as a fucking human being by that garbage father
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VioletMassacre posted...

But is she hot?

At this point I should remind you that she's 13 >_> (Granted, I think Ducky got warned once for asking if a young girl was hot.)

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's fucked up to impose your will on someone else's body and image, including forcing them to cut off their hair. It's hair. Part of the body. Sacred in some cultures. It's not like some PlayStation or a skimpy outfit you can take away.

That would be devastating for most of the teen girls I've known. Heck I was a teen with short hair. Kids can be shitty, and to deal with that when you didn't even want the look... Terrible controlling parenting with no empathy.

It's called "parenting." Parents routinely "impose" their will on their children's appearance, whether it's to stop a child from getting a mohawk or limiting what they can wear.

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nah. It's just highlights. And she's 13. she can decide how she wants her hair to look.

Parents have discretion until kids are 18. The cutoff isn't 13.

Yellow posted...

I can't even pinpoint what it is I hate so much about this to the point where it seems like child abuse. You just don't go there. It's like dressing your son up in a dress as punishment. Fucked up.

That's a lot worse than this. There are a lot of girls who wear their hair short (especially since celebs have been doing it), whereas there's no good precedent for a guy in a dress which makes it a much stronger case for child abuse.
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Zeus posted...

It's called "parenting." Parents routinely "impose" their will on their children's appearance, whether it's to stop a child from getting a mohawk or limiting what they can wear.

Healthy parents do not force their children to cut off their hair for getting highlights. A highlight treatment that was a gift another parent gave to the child. My God. Parents can punish their children, this is an unbelievable overstepping in punishment for something that could have been reversed with a box of hair dye if need be.

What's that going to teach her? What's the life lesson? Can't highlight my hair for a few years until I move out and can freely color my hair like the majority of women. or can't trust my father?

Zeus posted...

That's a lot worse than this.

That doesn't make this ok at all. And that line is something abusers tell their victims

Zeus posted...

There are a lot of girls who wear their hair short (especially since celebs have been doing it), whereas there's no good precedent for a guy in a dress which makes it a much stronger case for child abuse.

A boy can take the dress off eventually. This girl can not get her hair back until it grows back. At that length that's a few years of growth. Boy wouldn't be wearing the dress for years. And if parents were forcing a teen boy to wear a dress in public against his will, especially for an extended period, yeah people would hear about it
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Zeus posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nah. It's just highlights. And she's 13. she can decide how she wants her hair to look.

Parents have discretion until kids are 18. The cutoff isn't 13.

Well the father showed the maturity of less than 13 but whatever.

And honestly, parents don't like it one bit, but the cutoff is whenever the kid can start making their own reasonable choices.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Zeus posted...

AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nah. It's just highlights. And she's 13. she can decide how she wants her hair to look.

Parents have discretion until kids are 18. The cutoff isn't 13.

Well the father showed the maturity of less than 13 but whatever.

And honestly, parents don't like it one bit, but the cutoff is whenever the kid can start making their own reasonable choices.

Not to mention adolescence is the time for identity building. If you're not allowing your children to make some choices about their appearance, an expression of self and identity, you're setting them up for serious issues. And by forcing an identity on a person as they're struggling to define themselves, that's devastating to their personal growth as a human being.

That's not saying let them do everything they want... But no way in hell should a parent be forcibly removing their teen daughter's hair
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Zeus posted...

Yellow posted...

I can't even pinpoint what it is I hate so much about this to the point where it seems like child abuse. You just don't go there. It's like dressing your son up in a dress as punishment. f***ed up.

That's a lot worse than this. There are a lot of girls who wear their hair short (especially since celebs have been doing it), whereas there's no good precedent for a guy in a dress which makes it a much stronger case for child abuse.

Didn't they use to put little boys in dresses? Like I think even a former president has a picture is a dress, IIRC. It use to be a thing, so...
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Doctor Foxx posted...

That's not saying let them do everything they want...

I feel one would really just need to explain that actions have consequences. Depending on whatever it is that they're wanting to do. Cause really, a teen will do just about whatever they want anyways, a parent should be explaining things rather than forcing things. "Cause I said so" is never a good answer.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Yellow posted...

I can't even pinpoint what it is I hate so much about this to the point where it seems like child abuse. You just don't go there. It's like dressing your son up in a dress as punishment. Fucked up.

She is going to hate him when she grows up.

Seriously. Worst part is I've encountered parents like this. Their poor kids. I don't think any of this patients and children have a healthy relationship

Keyword unhealthy.

Not only that, it's the bastardization of a hairstyle girls get to express independence being used by force. It's not fitting to force your kid to have that haircut. Any haircut imo, but especially not that one.
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I'd think in this day and age, the concept of "boy haircuts" and "girl haircuts" would be no longer a thing?
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

I'd think in this day and age, the concept of "boy haircuts" and "girl haircuts" would be no longer a thing?

Haircut girls get.

It's a gender-neutral haircut. Every haircut is.
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Full Throttle posted...

her father PUNISHED her because she got BLONDE HIGHLIGHTS in her hair for her birthday

OK...

I don't see what's wrong here.

What the fuck is wrong with people?
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not really expecting anything else of a family who named their daughter Kelsey
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Also, now I have actually read the article, who gave her/paid for the highlights?

If the mom, this sounds like an overreaction from the dad that should really call into question his custodial rights.
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

Nah. It's just highlights. And she's 13. she can decide how she wants her hair to look.

Could be breadcrumbs for all I care, her legal guardian who controls her because she's too young to act independently has decided for her, and as her parent his decision outranks everybody as long as it's legal (and it is.)

Doctor Foxx posted...

Seems like the mom had a rule against cutting off the daughter's hair and making her cry, but hey, we know he didn't consult on that.

Why not ignore chronology?

She didn't consult him and went against his wishes so she set a precedent for him to act without her consultation.

Doctor Foxx posted...

You can undo highlights in hair, hair color exists. It would have been overbearing but coloring the hair back to the natural color maaaaaybe would be punishment.

Or it's just setting things back to square one which is a lot of work for no gain. He also may not know you can recolour hair and even more likely, he wouldn't know you can't keep recolouring hair back blonde over and over.

Doctor Foxx posted...

You can't uncut all of that hair. Or untraumatize your child. What a total lack of respect for her agency as a fucking human being by that garbage father

Hair grows and you clip your children's nails against tgeir will too. Children also don't have agency not given to them by their carers. Children are always dominated by their parents in unreasonable ways as they effectively own them and have no choice, nobody likes the lack of choice as a child but, as I said, you don't have a choice.

Doctor Foxx posted...

What's that going to teach her? What's the life lesson? Can't highlight my hair for a few years until I move out and can freely color my hair like the majority of women. or can't trust my father?

It teaches her to not go behind her father's back or agree with her mother to act without consulting her father. He never said she could get highlights so he didn't break any trust, he is acting in a very linear and transparent fashion so he can be trusted to act consistently.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Not to mention adolescence is the time for identity building. If you're not allowing your children to make some choices about their appearance, an expression of self and identity, you're setting them up for serious issues. And by forcing an identity on a person as they're struggling to define themselves, that's devastating to their personal growth as a human being.

Yeah, because hair is the only way a person can experiment with how they express their identity. And remember, they did not consult with him and so could not find a way for her to express herself without causing conflict, the mother set up a situation that tells her child that identity expression is punishable.

If she bought clothes that were inappropriate to him he could return it without irreversible effects on her, but no, the mother decided that it'd be best to stain years of hair growth to spite the father.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Also, now I have actually read the article, who gave her/paid for the highlights?

If the mom, this sounds like an overreaction from the dad that should really call into question his custodial rights.

If it's the mom then her custodial rights should be questioned for using her child as ammunition, if it was the child's decision then it was a case of the child going rogue and getting punished.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

It's hair. Part of the body. Sacred in some cultures.

The same cultures that wouldn't let you highlight in the first place.

LinkPizza posted...

It was also a gift from another parent. As in the other person who she gets rules from. We also have no idea of the dad said she couldn't get highlights before she did. He may have never mentioned highlights before and decided he didn't like them when he saw them...

We have no idea if he did, but at the same time they should've consulted him as the other person who she gets rules from. Separated parents is a tricky situation, but that means you need to be more considerate of everybody's interests, not less.

Seems like the mom had a rule against cutting off the daughter's hair and making her cry, but hey, we know he didn't consult on that. You can undo highlights in hair, hair color exists. It would have been overbearing but coloring the hair back to the natural color maaaaaybe would be punishment.

You can't uncut all of that hair. Or untraumatize your child. What a total lack of respect for her agency as a fucking human being by that garbage father

I agree. They were irrational and dickish.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

If it's the mom then her custodial rights should be questioned for using her child as ammunition,

I agree, the main problem here is parental communication, I could have worded that better. Either side should have discussed things with the other first in this case.
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Kyuubi4269 post...

Could be breadcrumbs for all I care, her legal guardian who controls her because she's too young to act independently has decided for her, and as her parent his decision outranks everybody as long as it's legal (and it is.)

The mom is one, too...
Kyuubi4269 posted...

Why not ignore chronology?

She didn't consult him and went against his wishes so she set a precedent for him to act without her consultation.

But how do we know she went against his wishes... Not only that, but most people don't see highlights as a major change. I know many girls who go home after getting highlights and sometimes people don't notice much or every says how nice it looks. Even when parents don't like it, it's usually an eye roll, at most. I don't see many who think it's a huge change or a big deal, though...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Hair grows

True. But it does mean it will grow enough. I have a friend who cut he hair a little shorter. It still goes down a little past her neck. She's ben trying to grow it longer since like a year after high school ended. But it just doesn't grow fast enough. The problem is you still have to get it cut every so often to keep it healthy. It possible she may never get her hair to the length it was before...

Kyuubi4269

It teaches her to not go behind her father's back or agree with her mother to act without consulting her father. He never said she could get highlights so he didn't break any trust, he is acting in a very linear and transparent fashion so he can be trusted to act consistently.

I still have a problem with the fact that he may never have said she couldn't get highlights. And since it's a problem easily solved by explaining that to her and changing the hair color back, it still stands that what he did was irrational. How does he know that if he changed it back that she would keep getting it colored. As far as we know, this was most likely the first time it's happened. If this was like the 10th time, it changes things. The problem is lack of information.

Either way, as of right now, I believe what happened was irrational and irresponsible as a parent. They both have things to work out. The mom should be better at talking to the dad, and the dad shouldn't act so rash and do things that are irreversible at times. And that could cause others problems for his daughter...
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Zeus posted...

Doesn't really seem like child abuse, just garden variety discipline. Given that she looked better with blond hair and it's not like the haircut was provocative, so I don't see the big deal. Of course, the bitch of an ex-wife who probably unilaterally made the decision to have her daughter get highlights -- against the father's wishes -- is just using this as a chance to fuck over her ex by using the kid.

Actually in this case he would actually deserve being fucked over for being such a moron. It isn't like she was doing drugs or something.
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LinkPizza posted...

The mom is one, too...

She acted first that way, he followed the changing rules to not allow her to use their daughter against him.

LinkPizza posted...

But how do we know she went against his wishes...

Because it'd be newsworthy if he baited the mother to stain their daughter's hair so he'd have an excuse to shave it off.

LinkPizza posted...

Not only that, but most people don't see highlights as a major change. I know many girls who go home after getting highlights and sometimes people don't notice much or every says how nice it looks. Even when parents don't like it, it's usually an eye roll, at most. I don't see many who think it's a huge change or a big deal, though...

"It's not a big deal to my society so obviously nobody disagrees with me anywhere!"

LinkPizza posted...

True. But it does mean it will grow enough. I have a friend who cut he hair a little shorter. It still goes down a little past her neck. She's ben trying to grow it longer since like a year after high school ended. But it just doesn't grow fast enough. The problem is you still have to get it cut every so often to keep it healthy. It possible she may never get her hair to the length it was before...

I'm fully aware of hair growth, I had hair down to the small of my back, shaved it off, and now I'm regrowing it.

LinkPizza posted...

I still have a problem with the fact that he may never have said she couldn't get highlights. And since it's a problem easily solved by explaining that to her and changing the hair color back, it still stands that what he did was irrational. How does he know that if he changed it back that she would keep getting it colored. As far as we know, this was most likely the first time it's happened. If this was like the 10th time, it changes things. The problem is lack of information.

So it's okay for the mother to be a sneaky POS because it's a first offense of this kind? They're separated for a reason, somehow I doubt he needs to get fucked about 10 times to catch on to her shit. And as I said earlier, he could very easily not be aware of it being able to be changed back, what with it being hair bleach.

LinkPizza posted...

Either way, as of right now, I believe what happened was irrational and irresponsible as a parent. They both have things to work out. The mom should be better at talking to the dad, and the dad shouldn't act so rash and do things that are irreversible at times. And that could cause others problems for his daughter...

It was perfectly rational, on both parts, but it was also petty and vicious.
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Full Throttle posted...

Do you think this is cruel child abuse?

No. Seems more like attention seeking and point scoring between her parents. I mean the gal could have just cut out the streaks or dyed them. Nothing wrong with gals having short hair too so the wig isn't necessary. None news again.
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Zeus posted...

Doesn't really seem like child abuse, just garden variety discipline. Given that she looked better with blond hair and it's not like the haircut was provocative, so I don't see the big deal. Of course, the bitch of an ex-wife who probably unilaterally made the decision to have her daughter get highlights -- against the father's wishes -- is just using this as a chance to fuck over her ex by using the kid.

Full Throttle posted...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/02/07/01/48F28F9800000578-5358247-image-m-56_1517968150419.jpg

Uh... what's he doing with that finger?

There is nothing wrong with her getting highlights, and shouldnt be barred from doing so even if that was the reason behind punishment.

Unless you did something publically shameful or wicked to another person, shaming of any kind is cruel, and going past you childs physical boundaries at that age by forcing haircuts, especially for a girl, is really REALLY messed up.

With experience around abusive parents this is a control tactic and im sure other forms of control and non-physical abuse are going on.
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bulbinking posted...

this is a control tactic

Parents are meant to control. It's their main job.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

So it's okay for the mother to be a sneaky POS because it's a first offense of this kind? They're separated for a reason, somehow I doubt he needs to get fucked about 10 times to catch on to her shit. And as I said earlier, he could very easily not be aware of it being able to be changed back, what with it being hair bleach.

It's perfect fine since there's no evidence she even did that.
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Emotional abuse is a thing. This was absolutely abuse.
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Revelation34 posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

So it's okay for the mother to be a sneaky POS because it's a first offense of this kind? They're separated for a reason, somehow I doubt he needs to get fucked about 10 times to catch on to her shit. And as I said earlier, he could very easily not be aware of it being able to be changed back, what with it being hair bleach.

It's perfect fine since there's no evidence she even did that.

No evidence to you, a random on the internet quoting Duckbear. You have no basis to be skeptical of his actions.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

She acted first that way, he followed the changing rules to not allow her to use their daughter against him.

You don't know she used their daughter against him. She got her highlights. Because we don't have all the info...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Because it'd be newsworthy if he baited the mother to stain their daughter's hair so he'd have an excuse to shave it off.

What are you talking about. All I'm saying is we don't even know of there was a rule about her changing anything about her hair.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

"It's not a big deal to my society so obviously nobody disagrees with me anywhere!"

You obviously know what I mean. But you can act like you don't. Either way, it isn't a big deal since it's easily fixable. Changing he color back or by only cutting the highlighted parts would work. Or asking a hair-dresser or his daughter. Or literally anybody. But to go right to cutting of all hair. It is ridiculous...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I'm fully aware of hair growth, I had hair down to the small of my back, shaved it off, and now I'm regrowing it.

So you know that it can be hard for some people. And it grows differently for everyone...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

So it's okay for the mother to be a sneaky POS because it's a first offense of this kind? They're separated for a reason, somehow I doubt he needs to get f***ed about 10 times to catch on to her s***. And as I said earlier, he could very easily not be aware of it being able to be changed back, what with it being hair bleach.

How do you know she was sneaky about it. You're assuming that. it sounds like you're against her just because she's a woman. We don't have all the info. We don't even know what caused the divorced. But fucking over you daughter when this could have been the first offense(that she never even knew that it was against the rules), and was easily fixable(as explained above) is in-fucking-called for!

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It was perfectly rational, on both parts, but it was also petty and vicious

If he doesn't understand that there were other more rational ways to handle this, maybe he shouldn't be a parent...

Again, we don't have all the info. But based on what little we do have, I would disagree with the dad 99/100 times. There's only a handful where I think what the dad did was fine. A VERY SMALL handful. And those include extremes...
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

bulbinking posted...

this is a control tactic

Parents are meant to control. It's their main job.

Even IF they were using their daughter as a weapon, she did something most like not harmful. And it was reversible. He did something non-reversible. And could be harmful to her mental health...

wwinterj25 posted...

I mean the gal could have just cut out the streaks or dyed them. Nothing wrong with gals having short hair too so the wig isn't necessary.

I don't think the wig was necessary. Not do I think short hair looks bad. But I can understand that she may not like it. And if the wig makes her feel better, then that's good...
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LinkPizza posted...

You don't know she used their daughter against him. She got her highlights. Because we don't have all the info...

She didn't consult with the other parent on a new and long term issue, how was that not done maliciously?

LinkPizza posted...

What are you talking about. All I'm saying is we don't even know of there was a rule about her changing anything about her hair.

I doubt there was a rule against throwing their daughter off a bridge either, it still isn't something you do. Big decisions require consultation and she deliberately avoided it.

LinkPizza posted...

You obviously know what I mean. But you can act like you don't. Either way, it isn't a big deal since it's easily fixable. Changing he color back or by only cutting the highlighted parts would work. Or asking a hair-dresser or his daughter. Or literally anybody. But to go right to cutting of all hair. It is ridiculous...

I've already explained the issue of limited knowledge time and time again, stop parroting this nonsense.

LinkPizza posted...

So you know that it can be hard for some people. And it grows differently for everyone...

I know virtually no women lose their hair and so she will eventually regrow it, particularly when she's in a growing stage of her life. Hair grows for a set period of time before shedding and even the lower expectation for hair growth allows for that length to eventually grow.

LinkPizza posted...

How do you know she was sneaky about it. You're assuming that. it sounds like you're against her just because she's a woman. We don't have all the info. We don't even know what caused the divorced. But fucking over you daughter when this could have been the first offense(that she never even knew that it was against the rules), and was easily fixable(as explained above) is in-fucking-called for!

She didn't consult with the other parent on a new and long term issue, it is inherently sneaky. It sounds like you're trying to discredit me as you've failed to discredit my points. The mother put a long term effect on years of their daughter's hair growth, this isn't a thing you do without consultation. You don't get to claim the innocence of the mother as, like you said, we don't even know what caused the divorce (but we do know you don't divorce amicably when you have kids and do spiteful shit like this). Again, it wouldn't necessarily be apparent the issue is "fixable" and in the context of bitter feuding, his response has logic to it.

Let me go tit-for-tat and say you're clearly against him because he's a man, you make immediate assumptions to deem him insane instead of considering how people aren't often deranged.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I know virtually no women lose their hair

Most women lose their hair.

Female pattern baldness vs. male pattern baldness.

it's just different

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I doubt there was a rule against throwing their daughter off a bridge either, it still isn't something you do. Big decisions require consultation and she deliberately avoided it.

I realize you're arguing because that's what you do, but another human being choosing to do something like highlighting their hair is not a big issue. Nor is it something that gives a parent the right to cut their hair off.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

She didn't consult with the other parent on a new and long term issue, it is inherently sneaky. It sounds like you're trying to discredit me as you've failed to discredit my points. The mother put a long term effect on years of their daughter's hair growth, this isn't a thing you do without consultation. You don't get to claim the innocence of the mother as, like you said, we don't even know what caused the divorce (but we do know you don't divorce amicably when you have kids and do spiteful shit like this). Again, it wouldn't necessarily be apparent the issue is "fixable" and in the context of bitter feuding, his response has logic to it.

He's taking out his issues with the mother on the daughter. I hope that the daughter stops wanting to see him and they apply to take away custody if he's going to be a controlling piece of shit.
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