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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:15:55 AM
#51:


So I'm reading people complaining about the fact that Sasha didn't win and that they should be putting the "26 year old cornerstone" over the "37 year old rookie."

What.
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Jakyl25
01/29/18 2:17:03 AM
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ChampionCloud
01/29/18 2:17:27 AM
#53:


TheRock1525 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
Because a guy won it. It was heat at the booking.


TheRock1525 posted...
Not to mention a well-placed cash-in can garner massive reactions.


Now really think for a second...


Come on man... you're smarter than this.

The first was X PAC heat. It was literally the crowd saying get this trash out of the ring.

Unless their plan is to meta fuck the crowd or have her not sneak attack but straight beat say Asuka 123 clean in a minute they aren't getting that type of reaction again. And you dint want that reaction anyway.


They booked it specifically to generate heat for Carmella. And if they really wanted to undo the whole "man interferes in women's MitB match" they wouldn't literally have him interfere AGAIN when they redo it.

They knew exactly what they were doing with that booking. They only redid it for a Smackdown Live ratings boost. But they all along wanted Carmella to win in via Ellsworth interference for the sake of getting her heat since she's a heel.


And again, she didn't get heel heat. She got X PAC heat. (Or, the sexist booking did at least). It's not like she was getting heat during anytime after that like heel heat would usually have you getting. They booed cause Vince is a fucking sexist pig piece of shit and then haven't given her a single reaction yet except for that weird out of nowhere "forgiveness" moment to him. Go watch her cash in teases. The crowd doesn't fucking care. That's unbelievable, even Corbin and Sandow got pops when they tried to cash in.
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:20:05 AM
#54:


ChampionCloud posted...
And again, she didn't get heel heat. She got X PAC heat.


No, she got heel heat. If she got X-Pac heat she would literally still be getting X-Pac heat because people would want her to go away still. That's the whole point of X-Pac heat. If she's getting non-reactions, that's basically the opposite of X-Pac Heat. Or at the very least, it's not even a type of heat-adjacent.

There's no go-away heat for Carmella so you can't call it X-Pac Heat.
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:20:42 AM
#55:


ChampionCloud posted...
That's unbelievable, even Corbin and Sandow got pops when they tried to cash in.


Also, there's a big difference between hinting at cash-ins and the actual fucking cash-ins.
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DeathChicken
01/29/18 2:21:22 AM
#56:


X-Pac Heat is a term that's lost all its meaning. It goes back to when X-Pac was winning all the time in like 1998, never got the hell off TV and never changed his stupid DX gimmick even when DX was dead. The only person with X-Pac Heat nowadays is Roman Reigns
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ChampionCloud
01/29/18 2:22:51 AM
#57:


TheRock1525 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
That's unbelievable, even Corbin and Sandow got pops when they tried to cash in.


Also, there's a big difference between hinting at cash-ins and the actual fucking cash-ins.


Not to the crowd when they are coming out
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:24:17 AM
#58:


ChampionCloud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
That's unbelievable, even Corbin and Sandow got pops when they tried to cash in.


Also, there's a big difference between hinting at cash-ins and the actual fucking cash-ins.


Not to the crowd when they are coming out


You do realize both cash-ins didn't occur immediately, right?

Like Sandow literally cut a promo and attacked Cena before finally deciding to cash-in.
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:24:44 AM
#59:


DeathChicken posted...
X-Pac Heat is a term that's lost all its meaning. It goes back to when X-Pac was winning all the time in like 1998, never got the hell off TV and never changed his stupid DX gimmick even when DX was dead. The only person with X-Pac Heat nowadays is Roman Reigns


And this.
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:27:03 AM
#60:


sqPrxMo

For this topic as well.
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ChampionCloud
01/29/18 2:27:51 AM
#61:


DeathChicken posted...
X-Pac Heat is a term that's lost all its meaning. It goes back to when X-Pac was winning all the time in like 1998, never got the hell off TV and never changed his stupid DX gimmick even when DX was dead. The only person with X-Pac Heat nowadays is Roman Reigns


X PAC heat means you don't want to see them get there ass kicked, just go the fuck away. No one wanted PAC on their tv at all.

No one wanted to see Carmela get her ass kicked. People wanted the shitty sexist booking of McMahon off their tv. It was complete x PAC heat and had nothing to do with her, any other girl would have gotten the same reaction to that win happening like that.
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ChampionCloud
01/29/18 2:29:24 AM
#62:


TheRock1525 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
TheRock1525 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
That's unbelievable, even Corbin and Sandow got pops when they tried to cash in.


Also, there's a big difference between hinting at cash-ins and the actual fucking cash-ins.


Not to the crowd when they are coming out


You do realize both cash-ins didn't occur immediately, right?

Like Sandow literally cut a promo and attacked Cena before finally deciding to cash-in.


Right...
And they got reaction when they came out for them.

Unlike Carmella when she has teased hers.

The crowd has absolutely 0 way of knowing it's a cash in till the bell rings.
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:32:52 AM
#63:


ChampionCloud posted...
X PAC heat means you don't want to see them get there ass kicked, just go the fuck away. No one wanted PAC on their tv at all.


Right, so if people are indifferent towards Carmella (lack of cheers or boos) then it's literally not X-Pac Heat. If people just flat out want Carmella to go away, they will shout at her to go away.

If you want actual X-Pac Heat, look at fucking Eva Marie.
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:33:51 AM
#64:


Fun fact: Almas actually had the 5th longest time in the ring.
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:35:32 AM
#65:


Also fun fact:

Baron Corbin had the 4th longest time in last year's Rumble.

This year he had the 4th shortest.
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UInstinctGogeta
01/29/18 2:41:04 AM
#66:


TheRock1525 posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
X PAC heat means you don't want to see them get there ass kicked, just go the fuck away. No one wanted PAC on their tv at all.


Right, so if people are indifferent towards Carmella (lack of cheers or boos) then it's literally not X-Pac Heat. If people just flat out want Carmella to go away, they will shout at her to go away.

If you want actual X-Pac Heat, look at fucking Eva Marie.


It was the booking that got X PAC heat.

They wanted this current shit (Vince being a sexist prick) to go away....

Carmella hasn't gotten any reaction at all. Even X PAC heat. They are completely non plussed by her very existence. They don't cheer. They don't boo. They don't care.
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voltch
01/29/18 2:44:22 AM
#67:


TheRock1525 posted...
So I'm reading people complaining about the fact that Sasha didn't win and that they should be putting the "26 year old cornerstone" over the "37 year old rookie."

What.


Where are these complaints? Sounds like a funny thread.
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TheRock1525
01/29/18 2:46:00 AM
#68:


UInstinctGogeta posted...
It was the booking that got X PAC heat.


That's not how X-Pac heat works. You don't get it in an instant. It's a gradual level of intolerance built over a period of time. Roman was still getting cheered for a bit post-Shield breakup but the boos grew louder and louder until the infamous Rumble.
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ScareChan
01/29/18 3:32:59 AM
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ESPN already is hailing this as a huge thing, likening it to being bigger than the likes of Tyson, Gronk, and Shaq
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ExThaNemesis
01/29/18 5:03:06 AM
#72:


I'm still so freaking disgusted.

What should have been Asuka's moment gets ruined by the worst person that has ever existed on planet earth
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UInstinctGogeta
01/29/18 5:39:21 AM
#73:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I'm still so freaking disgusted.

What should have been Asuka's moment gets ruined by the worst person that has ever existed on planet earth


Hogan wasn't there tonight...
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XIII_rocks
01/29/18 6:02:18 AM
#74:


So I watched the Rumble from a hotel room last night

https://imgur.com/a/sUDpJ

I feel like I'm in some way responsible for Rey's return
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ZeroSignal620
01/29/18 6:18:14 AM
#75:


UltimaterializerX posted...
That will be on every debut montage.


While the sign itself is true, we're talking about the company that managed to edit "When it Reigns, it bores."
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ZeroSignal620
01/29/18 6:25:09 AM
#76:


And since the men's Rumble didn't close the show, Cena and Taker are still tied for most ppv main events!
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RaidenZeroX
01/29/18 8:02:48 AM
#77:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
That will be on every debut montage.


While the sign itself is true, we're talking about the company that managed to edit "When it Reigns, it bores."


This is the best sign
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RPGlord95
01/29/18 8:26:01 AM
#78:


Third best Rumble ever imo.

92 > 07 > 18 > 01

The women's one was also a top ten rumble.
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RPGlord95
01/29/18 8:31:20 AM
#79:


Also Carmella getting literally the least reaction ever is my favorite thing.

No one gets less reaction than her. Regardless of crowd its always dead silence. No cheers. No boos. Just death.

Scarlet knows how much I enjoy her entrance because of this.
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PrivateBiscuit1
01/29/18 8:40:18 AM
#80:


So last night I think the thing we all laughed about the Ronda Rousey ordeal was the announcers shouting "STEPHANIE!? WHAT IS RONDA DOING HERE!? WHAT IS SHE DOING!?" And Stephanie says "I dunno".

Stephanie doesn't know what's going on, but they got Ronda her theme song, titantron, floor tron, and merch for her already.
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Solioxrz362
01/29/18 8:55:54 AM
#81:


TheRock1525 posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
Yeah that RAW tag division is utterly awful. I know they were also stuck in the slot after Nakamura, but damn was that the coldest match I've seen in a while. Just everything about that was bad.


The match itself was good.

Crowd just couldn't care at all.

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RPGlord95
01/29/18 10:07:30 AM
#82:


Wait what's this? Coach is back!?
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RPGlord95
01/29/18 10:37:46 AM
#83:


Replacing Booker on Raw. Fantastic
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Tom Bombadil
01/29/18 10:39:57 AM
#84:


as somebody who doesn't watch raw but enjoys making fun of Booker, I'm sad
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PrivateBiscuit1
01/29/18 10:40:12 AM
#85:


Probably for the best. Booker was a god damn mess every time I was able to listen to commentary, and also any time I tune into RAW.
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Tom Bombadil
01/29/18 10:41:45 AM
#86:


also can we talk about how painful that Madusa preshow bit was like frick that was my last bit of goodwill for JBL gone
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ChampionCloud
01/29/18 10:42:49 AM
#87:


RPGlord95 posted...
Replacing Booker on Raw. Fantastic


Racist company.

"Need a new Kofi.... let Naomi do it."

"Alicia gets hurt, get that one from NXT"

"Getting rid of Booker, Brinf that one we had on ESPN, no one will even notice the difference"

Fuck off Vince.

(But thank you so much for Nak!)
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Tom Bombadil
01/29/18 10:43:27 AM
#88:


ChampionCloud posted...
"Alicia gets hurt, get that one from NXT"


you leave my waifu out of this
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ChampionCloud
01/29/18 10:44:40 AM
#89:


Tom Bombadil posted...
ChampionCloud posted...
"Alicia gets hurt, get that one from NXT"


you leave my waifu out of this


Blame Vince for thinking every African American in the world can sub for each other...
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Tom Bombadil
01/29/18 10:45:27 AM
#90:


we clearly have differing opinions of who the sub was then >_>
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DeathChicken
01/29/18 10:45:32 AM
#91:


I got the feeling the crowd burned themselves out on Nakamura's win (as well they should have. That really should have gone on last)
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Tom Bombadil
01/29/18 10:46:17 AM
#92:


DeathChicken posted...
I got the feeling the crowd burned themselves out on Nakamura's win (as well they should have. That really should have gone on last)


I don't think there was a way to have a show that long with that much good stuff and not have a fried crowd at some point, but you're probably right in that respect
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scarletspeed7
01/29/18 10:49:40 AM
#93:


Tom Bombadil posted...
we clearly have differing opinions of who the sub was then >_>

I'm with you on who the sub is!
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ChampionCloud
01/29/18 10:59:06 AM
#94:


Tom Bombadil posted...
we clearly have differing opinions of who the sub was then >_>


It COULD be Kairi.... but I really really doubt it.

One cause Vince IS racist so AA for AA is literally something he'd do.

But also because in story there is no conceivable reason you have Ember in that match after her injury. The match was already shit, now you are making it mean even less if she's not even out to sell the injury.
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DeathChicken
01/29/18 11:04:37 AM
#95:


I don't care, Asuka pointing at Ember's broken arm and laughing was amazing
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PrivateBiscuit1
01/29/18 11:06:44 AM
#96:


At the same time, they had a spot with Ember and Asuka, whereas Kairi had no spot and was eliminated quick, which is likely what would have happened with Alicia Fox.
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ChampionCloud
01/29/18 11:06:58 AM
#97:


DeathChicken posted...
I don't care, Asuka pointing at Ember's broken arm and laughing was amazing


Can't disagree there.
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scarletspeed7
01/29/18 11:08:12 AM
#98:


I really feel like that spot right there is pre-planned. You have to shuffle people around to make it work.

Anyways, I just want to reiterate that this was a great PPV. Not in the sense that every match was good or anything. Honestly, all of the singles matches were so-so. But I've not been as hyped during a show in a while, and it all bleeds together into a very pleasing memory of just having fun and being on the edge of my seat the whole night.
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HashtagSEP
01/29/18 11:12:38 AM
#99:


Yeah, I still think Kairi was the replacement. She came in early and went out quick, which is what Fox would have done. And even though she hit two elbow drops, the camera only really caught one, meaning it wasn't a planned spot or anything.

Whereas the Ember/Asuka stuff felt planned.

Ember also makes more sense despite the injury, since the men's Rumble had the current male NXT champ.

EDIT: Come to think of it, male Rumble had Adam Cole, who was also selling injuries from a match.
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FFDragon
01/29/18 11:47:10 AM
#100:


kairi was definitely the replacement for one major reason

she broke the one rule of the rumble which is 'no spots while the countdown is going on.'
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